Russian special military operation in Ukraine #20

British mercenary, who was held captive in the DPR, died of illness and stress, 15.07.2022.

DPR Ombudsman Morozova announced the death of captured British mercenary Paul Ury.

British mercenary Paul Ury, who was in captivity in the DPR, died on July 10 due to illness and stress, said Daria Morozova, Ombudsman of the Donetsk People's Republic.

“On our part, despite the severity of the alleged crime, Paul Uri was provided with appropriate medical assistance. However, given the diagnoses and stress, he died on July 10,” she wrote on the Telegram channel.

https://ria.ru/20220715/ukraina-1802652344.html

If the small yellow line top the right is the "Zelensky line" then the big one to the left is the "Obama line" 

Zelensky curse?

Random dudes with guns

The great leader in front of his largest proplem 

Delivering dedicated weaponry is just a matter of need. If Russkies will ask for them - those would be delivered. Dot.
If they will, is another thing. I don' think so.
Still, I really consider that Iranian drones delivered in mass would have been very useful. Will we see it? Highly unlikely.

You are entitled to your view of course but as Iran and China have both said that contributing weapons to the conflict only increases suffering on both sides it would be a bit hypocritical for either to start supplying weapons assistance to either side.

Russia seems to be happy with those statements because they show what neutral countries do... in contrast to what the west is trying to do by feeding weapons and ammo and money to one side to increase the suffering and secure a more damaging future for the side they pretend to support.

How could the Russians hope to destroy a single dmerch, tochka, himars or any other MLRS when theyre in richly urbanized and woodland areas, when the entire NATO coalition in 1991 couldnt destroy a single SCUD launcher in flat open desert. Unfortunately, russia simply cannot do anything against Ukrainian MLRS except shoot down incoming rounds. I dont believe the Russians have destroyed a single launcher for the war simply because its impossible to confirm and why can the Russians do it if entire NATO couldn't?

Very good question there Limb but it gets the obvious answer that if Russia can't hit launchers and individual vehicles like artillery (guntube and rocket artillery), then why do they need any more because they had plenty of it before the war started... they have been happily using it against their own people in the Donbass and Lugansk regions for the last 8 years.

Of course Iraq hid their Scud launchers too, and some were reportedly destroyed after they had launched their missiles but the vast majority continued to operate right to the end of the war.... and the next few conflicts too.

The amusing thing is that it is a difficult problem for any military but they are currently getting good practise with the best stuff HATO can make...

Sure HATO can load much longer ranged munitions, but against HATO Russia could also be a lot more heavy handed and not worry so much about civilian casualties like they do in the Ukraine where not everyone is an Orc.

How many forpost and orions are currently in service? What is their sorty rate? Why do you think theyre enough?

They make them themselves and have been using them in Syria all these years so one would assume they have some in all four Russian military districts for training and likely more in Syria that could be sent to a war zone if needed urgently...

Dont you find it funny that youre simping for iran when a year ago you were making (correct) observations that iran desperately wants to suck western cock whenever trade of aviation technology is involved, namely iran jumping on uncle scumbags cock by buying boeings instead of Russian airliners. With such "partners", who needs endmies?

Iran is not the bad guy here... it is claims by the US that you are backing, Iran has made a statement that they will not fuel the fire of the conflict by sending weapons to either side and it is their view the solution should be via negotiation rather than on the battlefield.

They are entitled to their view and honestly I would think after the last 8 years Russia has been wanting a negotiated settlement all this time but Kiev is not interested or more accurately the west was wanting this war... they could have told Kiev to follow the minsk agreements or no more support and no HATO or EU membership... but the west wanted this war and now they have it.

Don't seem very happy though.

GarryB wrote " The bunkers go through civilian areas, but if they wanted to obliterate them 1,500kg bombs from 12km altitude would do the job easily enough, but the civilian casualties would be dire. " well we could encourage civilians living immediately above and near Jellyinsky Maginot washing line , to leave ! Before the 1500 kg lands and spoils their day ! Here inducements to civilians to pull back a little ( a few hundred meters ) :

These civilians are inside what Kiev called enemy territory... Kiev views the locals as being too pro Russia to think of them as Ukrainians and sees them as Russians and will not let them leave.

Leaflets telling the locals to leave would frustrate them because they almost certainly very much already want to leave...

I think the psychological victory of clearing the Donetsk area now , in a show of force , rather than a grinding six month encirclement and starvation , like Mariupol Azovstal plant , is more advantageous . Stopping further recruitment of Ukraininan Cannon fodder , prolonging war . Stop their hopes !

When you have ten bank robbers holed up in a bank with 50 civilians that they refuse to let leave, then the plan to level the entire bank but first say over a loud speaker we are going to destroy the bank and we suggest all civilians leave in the next five minutes, probably would not cut it.

Their methods in other banks have given results... lots of meat shields have been killed sadly but they have been killing these people for the last 8 years... it is time for them to be stopped.

"representatives of foreign arms suppliers"

Secret German tank transport is not so secret any more.

How could the Russians hope to destroy a single dmerch, tochka, himars or any other MLRS when theyre in richly urbanized and woodland areas, when the entire NATO coalition in 1991 couldnt destroy a single SCUD launcher in flat open desert. Unfortunately, russia simply cannot do anything against Ukrainian MLRS except shoot down incoming rounds. I dont believe the Russians have destroyed a single launcher for the war simply because its impossible to confirm and why can the Russians do it if entire NATO couldn't?

Plenty of video evidence easily available for the destruction of a lot of MLRS by Russia. Just one example: the shopping mall "incident" in Kiev. 

Before the war the fake state had something like 600 MLRS, now the Nazis got less then 100 left, including western deliveries.

Arrow wrote:

Backman wrote:Vucic is saying that Putin intends to make a final peace offer after the Donbass is finished.
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I don't think Vucic knows the exact plans of the Russian military operation.

I agree . But maybe Putin signaled him to say this.

So im not the only one that noticed Russia airforce primitive tactics in the battlefield.

A military channel in youtube invited British pilots to comment on this mediocre tactics
of the Russian airforce.

British professional pilots comments on this phenomenon happening with Russian airforce .
and guess what? they reach exactly my same conclusion. There are No fly zones in Ukraine
that Russia airforce is afraid to fly and this is why they need to fly very low and use such mediocre
tactics..  Explain why Russia  airforce performances is so bad , and not supporting ground  troops
correctly. which is basically leaving the russian army on their own ,most of the time without airforce support.

What's the strange rocketing technique being used in Ukraine?


So what is the opposition in forum now going to say ?  
That i have no clue what i was talking about
yeah right.. the idiots in the forum, should just shutup and listen and learn something.  
When i make comments ,based on observations ,of Russian military tactics ,is because it is true.  

THey do this retarded Blind shooting , with Su-25 , Ka-52 and even with Su-34 planes too..
This is what is all about this "300 missions" per day of Russian airforce, most of this is unguided
bullshit , random strikes , in hopes they get lucky and hit something.

What all this speak is the colossal failure of Russian airforce in achieve Air superiority in ukraine ,
that Ukraine have created no fly zones inside their territory ,that Russian pilots fears to enter..
and this is why they need to fly low and turn around very fast after firing its missiles..

"Airsuperiority" declared by Russian army in the third day.. Just a mountain of bullshit , to raise
the morale of their military with propaganda.

Same technique as toss bombing. It obviously increases the rocket's range and keeps the attacker out of MANPADS range. Very simple idea that is easy to understand. BTW the very same forward observers used for accurate artillery strikes are used here. These guys report back on accuracy and the effect on enemy units. No rocket science involved here. So please STOP posting idiotic stuff.

Mir wrote:Same technique as toss bombing. It obviously increases the rocket's range and keeps the attacker out of MANPADS range. Very simple idea that is easy to understand. BTW the very same forward observers used for accurate artillery strikes are used here. These guys report back on accuracy and the effect on enemy units. No rocket science involved here. So please STOP posting idiotic stuff.

This is not anywhere close to carpet bombing..
this is firing a few rockets , very far away without aiming..
in other words..

This is way below to the tactics that Russian airforce was using in Syria , that they compensate their unguided strikes with Big Bombs and flying right above their targets with help of Computers to aim better the unguided big bombs ,instead of this primitive  strikes with weak rockets.

If Russian airforce was using precision missiles with TVvideo images or  loitering munition ,every day at least against Air defenses and or artillery ,they would be smashing those artillery positions quick and fast and saving many lives.. . This are stupid tactics..plain and simple and the british pilot questioned it too.  Very inefficient and retarded tactics for a modern airforce today.

So professionals pilots people who fly combat planes for a living disagree with you ,dumb ass.
And the very slow speed of Russia in Ukraine confirm this , Russian army fights alone , the airforce
provides close to zero support to its ground troops ,is rare when they do it. Only saw that one time
with a ka-52 alone fighting , backing ground troops ,but is very rare , and is not surprising they don't use hellicopters that much for that , for how dangerous is.

Drones fly all the time above Russian soldiers positions .. Who wants to be part of an army ,that your military leave alone ground  troops ,on their own , without close airforce support?    

For true close air support , airforce needs to aim correctly from top to down and close distance ,not from far away ones.. This is not close air support.. This is a random air strikes from distance with unguided weapons ,in hopes that one hits near its target..

 Basically in Ukraine ,it seems the Russian general staff ,gave up with close air support ,and its airforce is working on its own , separately of Russian army operations.        

Sad but true.. this is incredibly weak airforce operations in the battle field.
The very few precision bombs they have ,are only used for static targets , or command centers.
But close air support basically doesn't exist ,from the Russian side. Since neither they using much strike drones.

NATO for sure is taking notice of this weakness of Russian military and would want to exploit this limitations of Russian airforce.

Earlier, rumors appeared on the Web that the American HIMARS MLRS rocket launcher appeared at the disposal of the Russian Army.

Our sources have just confirmed this information. There is no information yet whether the HIMARS MLRS installation was captured in combat or was sold by the corrupt Ukrainian military, but at the moment the installation is already in Russia.

If HIMARS is in good condition, then such a loss could become quite sensitive for the United States. The study of the installation by our gunsmiths can not only apply American technologies in their developments, but also allow us to develop ways to counter them.
https://t.me/intelslava/33165

Belisarius wrote:Earlier, rumors appeared on the Web that the American HIMARS MLRS rocket launcher appeared at the disposal of the Russian Army.

Our sources have just confirmed this information.  There is no information yet whether the HIMARS MLRS installation was captured in combat or was sold by the corrupt Ukrainian military, but at the moment the installation is already in Russia.

If HIMARS is in good condition, then such a loss could become quite sensitive for the United States.  The study of the installation by our gunsmiths can not only apply American technologies in their developments, but also allow us to develop ways to counter them.
https://t.me/intelslava/33165

Again ...
We talk about an inexpensive truck-mounted MLRS dated back into 80s, that is inferior to Uragan, Smerch, not to mention new Russian systems.
It is nowhere near the Tornado, not to mention Iskander ...
Its ammunition is dumb, ballistic, and relatively slow, making it easy to intercept.
The whole hype about it is just another commercial campaign, just the same as we have already seen with Bayraktar, NLAW, Javelin, M777 etc.
Pay attention, that those are all US-made systems that are being advertised.
Nobody is wanking about a much more interesting Caesar, which allows rapid repositioning and can be really effective in counter-battery warfare.
Nobody is giving a head to PzH2000, that is definitely the best artillery system NATO has.
Nobody is ejaculating about Polish-made Krab, which is one of the most modern SPG in NATO arsenal, being a combo of AS90 and Korean hull.
We talk about a commercial campaign of some specified US-based suppliers, just the same way as Turks were advertising the Bayraktars, to improve it's market potential, to the level of faking videos and presenting them formally at briefings.
War is business, and we see one right now going.

ALAMO wrote:

Again ...
We talk about an inexpensive truck-mounted MLRS dated back into 80s, that is inferior to Uragan, Smerch, not to mention new Russian systems.
It is nowhere near the Tornado, not to mention Iskander ...
Its ammunition is dumb, ballistic, and relatively slow, making it easy to intercept.
The whole hype about it is just another commercial campaign, just the same as we have already seen with Bayraktar, NLAW, Javelin, M777 etc.
Pay attention, that those are all US-made systems that are being advertised.
Nobody is wanking about a much more interesting Caesar, which allows rapid repositioning and can be really effective in counter-battery warfare.
Nobody is giving a head to PzH2000, that is definitely the best artillery system NATO has.
Nobody is ejaculating about Polish-made Krab, which is one of the most modern SPG in NATO arsenal, being a combo of AS90 and Korean hull.
We talk about a commercial campaign of some specified US-based suppliers, just the same way as Turks were advertising the Bayraktars, to improve it's market potential, to the level of faking videos and presenting them formally at briefings.
War is business, and we see one right now going.  

Is not the same...
HIMARS can launch ballistic missiles that fly above the range of 90% of Russian air defenses.
so lets start with that problem.  Short range air defense that Russia have don't reach 50km altitude.
mmm.. really? yes..
So if you think NATO don't know how to make Good weapons ,you are mistaken.
And this missiles are  hypersonic in the final flight, with a small profile and mounted in a truck that is small and easy to hide and mistake for a civilian truck.

So not an easy missile to defeat. you need S-400s and S-500s and some modernized S-300s , i think can target such missiles.

So there is no comparison..
smerch and uragan are like toys in comparison.
and the range of HIMARS missiles depends on the missile used ,from 85km ,300km and up to 500km.. depending on the missile used.
They are more closer to Iskander , than to rocket artillery that carry 6 missiles instead of 2 of the iskander.. so is a lot of punching power what NATO gave to Ukraine.  and would not be easy  to counter for Russia ,it bypassed all russian S-400s ,s-300s deployed in Ukraine,, something to think about by just firing a dozen of missiles.

So if NATO gave Ukraine 8 himars with 85km range missiles..
that means 8 x 6 = 48 . it means that ukraine can fire near ~50 "mini iskander" missiles to Russian positions in near at the same time. So good luck with that. Now NATO will supply more.
So if they give twice that.. Ukraine could fire up to 100 ballistic missiles in a very short time.

HIMARS are advanced ballistic weapons with satellite guidance ,that can be used like artillery. not a small thing. Eventually Ukraine would get the higher range ones of 300km and then 500km.. so the pain on Russian army would only increase. If Russian airforce dont take seriously this , and hurry up and destroy them.

A bit more on the Vinnytsia strike from MoA. This event is seriously hitting the headlines due to the death of a 4 year old and her badly injured mother.

Now let's see what the Russian military claims to have hit in Vinnytsia:

On July 13, Kalibr high-precision sea-based missiles were launched at the House of Officers of the garrison in Vinnitsa.

The facility hosted a conference of the Ukrainian Armed Force command with representatives of foreign armament suppliers aimed at discussing the issues on sending another batch of aircraft, destruction means, as well as on organising the reparation of Ukrainian aircraft.

The attack has resulted in the elimination of the conference participants.

On July 14, shortly after news of the strike in Vinnytsia had come out, the U.S. Embassy in Ukraine issued a new Security Alert – Missile Threat Awareness for U.S. citizens:

Avoid large gatherings and organized events as they may serve as Russian military targets anywhere in Ukraine, including its western regions.

Well, what gave them the idea to say that?

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2022/07/nyt-continues-to-report-strikes-on-civilians-that-somehow-happen-to-hit-military-targets.html#comments

Location: Ukraine

By U.S. Embassy Kyiv | 14 July, 2022 | Topics: Alert

Event: The security situation throughout Ukraine continues to be violent and unpredictable due to ongoing military attacks by Russia, with active fighting in country and uncertain safety conditions. The U.S. Embassy urges U.S. citizens not to enter Ukraine and those in Ukraine to depart immediately using privately available ground transportation options if it is safe to do so. Avoid large gatherings and organized events as they may serve as Russian military targets anywhere in Ukraine, including its western regions.

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https://ua.usembassy.gov/security-alert-missile-threat-awareness/

This is not anywhere close to carpet bombing..

Who the **** said anything about carpet bombing!? You're totally clueless bro!

Toss bombing was developed during the nuclear age coming in at low level and popping up and releasing a bomb in an upward trajectory to get some distance between you and the blast.
Carpet bombing is normally from high altitude dropping a shitload of bombs in a very specific area for total destruction of whatever is in that area, which is a far cry from toss bombing.

Only reports the facts.. What really happens and Say No to propaganda regardless of sides.


Zelensky Govt lie caught: How Ukraine wrongly blamed Putin after placing civilians in



Very scandalous report against Zelensky regime , UN finally tells the facts..

Vann7 wrote:
"Airsuperiority" declared by Russian army in the third day..  Just a mountain of  bullshit , to raise
the morale of their military with propaganda.  

Would like to see that "proper" British "air superiority" somewhere.
They know to sit in the chair and write BS how Russia should fight the war.

Neither one of their predictions came true, they predicted that Russia will run out of missiles in March

The former pilot said we used the same technic, but we used onboard computer (the same as many Russian reports as well as video suggested)

This seems reasonable accurate and I don't see a problem especially when combining with Vikhr antitank missiles. Why not fire few rockets as well?

 

It is fukin' unbelievable, that you really waste your time responding to someone, who has obvious mental problems
But hey, I am neither a doctor nor someone who counts the others' time wasted for nonsense while wasting mine