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    Post  flamming_python Fri Jun 17, 2022 2:53 am

    Arkanghelsk wrote:
    franco wrote:Interesting numbers... not sure if some others of you are seeing these published names??



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    3,502 is just the published names of dead RuAF, Rosgvardia, and FSB personnel. It does not include missing. Plus it excludes the 2,100 for DNR and 1,500 for LNR to it is officially now 6,600. So our 8,000 - 9,000 KIA is probably correct.
    8:39 PM · Jun 10, 2022·Twitter Web App

    Edit: actually a link to the whole thread

    https://twitter.com/failure1991/status/1535406222802927617

    That is right, only 3500 Russian Armed Forces, Rosgvardia and FSB KIA

    LDNR have their own rates but still 3500

    Compared to 50,000

    Is 14.0 KD ratio

    That's fucked up

    Even if you add LDNR deaths , you have 7 Hohols per 1 Russian LDNR

    Think about it

    So much for the myth of mobilization and lack of numbers

    Kremlin did this the right way

    Figures are too low

    First of all MIA aren't mentioned. They'd be a smaller proportion than at the beginning, as the fates of various servicemen would have been investigated by now, but still there would be a few hundred cases in a war like this when the bodies are simply not found and no-one can confirm a person's fate.

    Secondly only military, Rosgvardia and FSB are listed - which is an improvement but still doesn't account for all Russian forces. The largest outstanding ones at the moment would be the volunteers trained and organized in Chechnya. By now there are some 3500 of them active, yet they are not officially part of any security structure. Apparently they are fighting competently, but nevertheless we can expect casualties within their ranks - the first of them started to arrive during the active phase of the battle for Mariupol.
    Who else is missing from the list - MVD Spetsnaz for one, which are present in the Ukraine too - and Wagner, other PMCs

    I'd say Russian killed would be 4000-4500 by now.
    And LDNR anywhere around 5000-6000.

    But compare that to Ukrainian killed probably around 80-100k, and over 1000 foreign mercs

    And the ratio is only favoring the Russians more and more. It's suicide for the Ukrainians to continue to fight the way they are

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    Post  franco Fri Jun 17, 2022 3:08 am

    MVD Spetsnaz are part of Rosgvardia plus the Cossack volunteers etc are not mentioned (5500 by last count).

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    Post  caveat emptor Fri Jun 17, 2022 4:09 am

    Medvedev trolling again 😂
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    Post  flamming_python Fri Jun 17, 2022 8:58 am

    franco wrote:MVD Spetsnaz are part of Rosgvardia plus the Cossack volunteers etc are not mentioned (5500 by last count).

    MVD Spetsnaz are part of the MVD (police). Rosgvardia is its own thing

    Good point about the Cossack volunteers although I haven't seen any material of them myself
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    Post  andalusia Fri Jun 17, 2022 9:57 am

    Just saw this on Yahoo about the US military showing Russia how to do a bridge crossing. I personally question the article but I would like people's thoughts on this:

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/us-soldiers-just-showed-russia-how-a-competent-army-performs-a-bridge-crossing/ar-AAYxJR6?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=8ac1b0ccf0f04b1780d3d71dcb1d4088

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    Post  GarryB Fri Jun 17, 2022 10:17 am

    So where did all the weapons go that the Nazis had back in February? Or all the ammo? Or the fuel depots?
    We know the answers but it´s really funny to see these western officials hiding the truth = lying the whole time.

    Same place any new weapons that reach their country are going...

    I will say that Russia really needs to step up its game in counter battery fire. Allowing Donetsk to be shelled for a few days is really kinda sad. They really need a dedicated counter battery task force. This task force should have #1 priority on all fire missions except where troops are facing an attack and could be overrun. In any case 2 tubes from each artillery formation as well as about 5 iskander missile with sub munition or thermobaric warheads at the ready.

    I would say that if they could those Orc forces would rather be shelling the Russian invaders, but it appears to be too costly an endevour and so they are going for the much softer targets of their fellow Ukrainiian civilians to get a bit of relief from Russian attacks to divert Russian efforts from what they are currently doing to defending civilians in eastern Ukraine.

    Better warning to get those civilians into bunkers would be easier and simpler and cheaper and lead to this being sorted out faster.

    But of course by all means drones and attack helicopters and aircraft should be assigned to the role of dealing with these guns because they remain a problem that needs to be eliminated where ever they are located.

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    Post  Stealthflanker Fri Jun 17, 2022 10:30 am

    andalusia wrote:Just saw this on Yahoo about the US military showing Russia how to do a bridge crossing.  I personally question the article but I would like people's thoughts on this:

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/us-soldiers-just-showed-russia-how-a-competent-army-performs-a-bridge-crossing/ar-AAYxJR6?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=8ac1b0ccf0f04b1780d3d71dcb1d4088

    Are they got artillery bombarding around them i wonder or ATGM team hiding in the bush or surroundings.

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    On the other side. Ukrainians claimed to have sunk a ship again, this time claimed to be a tug (Spasatel Vasily Bekh) carrying supplies to Snake Island. They have TB-2 footage claimed as proof. Tho i'll be honest it's kind of low Res to make up anything on it.

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    Post  franco Fri Jun 17, 2022 11:59 am

    flamming_python wrote:
    franco wrote:MVD Spetsnaz are part of Rosgvardia plus the Cossack volunteers etc are not mentioned (5500 by last count).

    MVD Spetsnaz are part of the MVD (police). Rosgvardia is its own thing

    Good point about the Cossack volunteers although I haven't seen any material of them myself

    Believe you need to recheck that. All MVD special forces (OMON, SOBR) belong to Rosgvardia now.

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    Post  flamming_python Fri Jun 17, 2022 12:02 pm

    andalusia wrote:Just saw this on Yahoo about the US military showing Russia how to do a bridge crossing.  I personally question the article but I would like people's thoughts on this:

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/us-soldiers-just-showed-russia-how-a-competent-army-performs-a-bridge-crossing/ar-AAYxJR6?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=8ac1b0ccf0f04b1780d3d71dcb1d4088

    What's there to opine on? And why post such ridiculous war propaganda?

    The Russian military performs river crossings fine in exercises too.

    As for the Severodonets crossing we still don't know what happened there and how many casualties each side took - so there's nothing much to show-up


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    Post  flamming_python Fri Jun 17, 2022 12:04 pm

    Here is another piece of war propaganda, advocating for the destruction of the Crimean bridge (seems that's the Kiev regime's latest scheme)

    https://nypost.com/2022/06/03/we-must-stop-russias-land-bridge-to-crimea-now/

    But what's encouraging here is all the cold water poured on the hawk author in the comments section, with American after American opining that they don't want war with Russia, and that this is all a European problem.

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    Post  Hinex1988 Fri Jun 17, 2022 12:18 pm

    ⚡Briefing by Russian Defence Ministry

    ▫The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation continue the special military operation in Ukraine.

    💥High-precision air-based missiles have hit 18 areas of manpower and military equipment concentration and 10 firing positions of Ukrainian artillery and mortar batteries, including 6 Grad MLRS batteries in Zaitsevo, Kurdyumovka, Dzerzhinsk, Bakhmut, Artemovo and Ocheretino in Donetsk People's Republic.

    💥Also, the headquarters of Azov nationalist formation has been destroyed near Pesochin, Kharkov Region.

    ▫In addition, 2 ammunition depots of missile and artillery weapons have been destroyed near Spornoe and Vyemka in Donetsk People's Republic.

    ✈💥Operational-tactical and army aviation have hit 58 areas of AFU manpower and military equipment concentration.
    The attacks have resulted in the elimination of more than 200 nationalists, 2 launchers of Buk-M1 and Osa-AKM systems near Krasnaya Gora and Artemovsk in Donetsk People's Republic, 1 ammunition depot near Lisichansk in Luhansk People's Republic, 10 tanks and other armoured fighting vehicles, six field artillery guns, 4 multiple rocket launchers and 9 special vehicles.

    💥Russian air defence means have shot down 1 Su-25 aircraft of Ukrainian Air Force near Mazanovka, Kharkov region.

    ▫15 Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles have been shot down near Mirnoe, Zelenyi Gai in Nikolaev region, Malye Prokhody, Suligovka, Malaya Kamyshevakha, Dolgen'koe, Rassokhovatoe, Chkalovskoe in Kharkov region, Bryanka, Frunze, Novoivanovka in Lugansk People's Republic, Tripoll'e in Donetsk People's Republic, including 1 Bayraktar-TB2 near Chernobaevka in Kherson region.

    ▫In addition, 1 Tochka-U operational-tactical missile system has been intercepted near Krasnyy Luch in Lugansk People's Republic, as well as 8 rockets of Uragan MLRS near Chernobaevka in Kherson region, Liptsy in Kharkov region, Verhnetoretskoe, Novoselka in Donetsk People's Republic and Nikolaevka in Lugansk People's Republic.

    💥Missile troops and artillery have hit 203 areas of manpower and military equipment concentration and 38 firing positions of AFU artillery units.
    The attacks have resulted in the elimination of more than 350 nationalists, 1 AFU unmanned aerial vehicle control post near Ukrainka in Nikolaev region, 8 tanks and other armoured fighting vehicles, 3 BM-21 Grad MLRS combat vehicles, 3 field artillery guns and 11 special vehicles have been destroyed overnight.

    📊In total, 205 Ukrainian airplanes and 131 helicopters, 1,233 unmanned aerial vehicles, 342 anti-aircraft missile systems, 3,587 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 539 multiple launch rocket systems, 2,013 field artillery and mortars, as well as 3,658 units of special military vehicles were destroyed during the operation.

    #MoD #Russia #Ukraine #Briefing
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    https://t.me/mod_russia_en/2244

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    Post  flamming_python Fri Jun 17, 2022 12:18 pm

    franco wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:
    franco wrote:MVD Spetsnaz are part of Rosgvardia plus the Cossack volunteers etc are not mentioned (5500 by last count).

    MVD Spetsnaz are part of the MVD (police). Rosgvardia is its own thing

    Good point about the Cossack volunteers although I haven't seen any material of them myself

    Believe you need to recheck that. All MVD special forces (OMON, SOBR) belong to Rosgvardia now.

    OMON and SOBR do, but the MVD has its own Spetsnaz still.

    The Chechen MVD Spetsnaz 'Regiment of A. A. Kadyrov' is active in the Ukraine for sure, they've been well publicized
    But many regions should have their own MVD Spetsnaz teams; called 'Grom'. In Moscow the regional Grom team is made up of 65 operators. These are all very well trained and experienced men at arms, past members of SOBR or the military. Usually engaged against drug gangs. But can be offered a contract to bust drug dealers in the Ukraine too, the cocaine smugglers. Know what I mean?

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    Post  franco Fri Jun 17, 2022 12:26 pm

    The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation told from which countries the most foreign mercenaries came to Ukraine

    The Russian Ministry of Defense has published data on the number of foreign mercenaries in Ukraine. As the official representative of the department, Lieutenant-General Igor Konashenkov, noted during the briefing, the Defense Ministry monitors and registers the stay in Ukraine of each representative of the “gathering of horsemen without a head.”

    According to the Russian Ministry of Defense, since the beginning of the special military operation, most of the foreign mercenaries in Ukraine have arrived from Poland (1831), Canada (601), the United States (530), Romania (504) and Britain (422).

    In total, according to the Russian Defense Ministry, 6,956 mercenaries from abroad have arrived in Ukraine since the beginning of the NMD.

    FULL ARTICLE with graphs: https://tvzvezda-ru.translate.goog/news/2022617129-eLNAa.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB&_x_tr_pto=nui


    The Russian Defense Ministry published statistics on the dead foreign mercenaries in Ukraine:

    According to Igor Konashenkov, the official representative of the Russian Defense Ministry, at the moment there are 3,221 foreign mercenaries in Ukraine who were not killed, were not captured and did not have time to reach the border.


    The Russian Ministry of Defense has published statistics on dead foreign mercenaries in Ukraine. As stated in the defense department of the Russian Federation, the flow of foreign mercenaries to Ukraine has turned in the opposite direction - militants are leaving the territory of this country en masse .

    According to the official representative of the RF Ministry of Defense Igor Konashenkov, the leader in terms of mercenaries who arrived in Ukraine and died there is Poland . From it, 1,831 people arrived to help the Kyiv regime. Of this number, 378 people were killed, and 272 mercenaries have already returned.

    Following Poland is Romania - 504 mercenaries arrived from there, of which 102 died, and another 98 people left. The third is Britain, 422 people came from it, 101 people died, 95 mercenaries left.

    The first in the number of mercenaries in the Americas is Canada. 601 mercenaries arrived from there, 162 of which were destroyed, and 169 returned. The United States is next with 530 arrivals, 214 deaths, 227 departures.

    Mercenaries from the Middle East, Transcaucasia and Asia also arrived in Ukraine. Most of the mercenaries from these regions came to Ukraine from Georgia - 355 people. 120 militants were destroyed, and 90 decided to return back. The next are the areas of the Syrian Trans-Euphrates controlled by the United States, 200 people came from there. To date, 80 of them have been liquidated, and 66 have left Ukraine.

    Igor Konashenkov stressed that the lists of the Russian Defense Ministry included mercenaries and weapons specialists from 64 countries of the world. In total, since the beginning of the special operation, 6,956 people have arrived in Ukraine, of which 1,956 people have been killed. 1,779 militants left Ukraine.

    According to Konashenkov, at the moment there are 3,221 foreign mercenaries in Ukraine who were not killed, were not taken prisoner and did not have time to reach the border.

    https://tvzvezda-ru.translate.goog/news/2022617121-xCUQu.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB&_x_tr_pto=nui

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    Post  franco Fri Jun 17, 2022 12:35 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    franco wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:
    franco wrote:MVD Spetsnaz are part of Rosgvardia plus the Cossack volunteers etc are not mentioned (5500 by last count).

    MVD Spetsnaz are part of the MVD (police). Rosgvardia is its own thing

    Good point about the Cossack volunteers although I haven't seen any material of them myself

    Believe you need to recheck that. All MVD special forces (OMON, SOBR) belong to Rosgvardia now.

    OMON and SOBR do, but the MVD has its own Spetsnaz still.

    The Chechen MVD Spetsnaz 'Regiment of A. A. Kadyrov' is active in the Ukraine for sure, they've been well publicized
    But many regions should have their own MVD Spetsnaz teams; called 'Grom'. In Moscow the regional Grom team is made up of 65 operators. These are all very well trained and experienced men at arms, past members of SOBR or the military. Usually engaged against drug gangs. But can be offered a contract to bust drug dealers in the Ukraine too, the cocaine smugglers. Know what I mean?

    The Chechen unit is under Rosgvardia but you are correct in regards to the GROM units. They belong to the drug enforcement and were not moved under the Rosgvardia control. However they are a small force across Russia with a 1,000 or so operatives.

    In total it was announced recently that there were 75,000 volunteers in SMO zone. Of course there would be civilians among them but suspect over half would be military type. In addition the Donbas Defense Volunteer forces claimed they had 16,000 people to serve. They would be fighting, as would most, with the LDPR units.

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    Post  kvs Fri Jun 17, 2022 12:58 pm



    We have lots of analysis and advice from the US about Russian "failure". This is all US political excrement. Just watch the US and NATzO
    news coverage of the war and you will see that it is totally detached from reality. Propaganda narratives are the core of the NATzO information
    space. In the above video you can see what level of "thinking" occurs in the minds of US politicians. They are hacks who have no clue and
    if they are not properly instructed by their owners (the deep state, MIC, oligarch, whatever), then they start pushing lunatic policies. The
    US elites are high on their own supply (propaganda) and also in a state of civil war over globalism. They are dropping the ball and we may have
    a nuclear war as the result.

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    Post  Hole Fri Jun 17, 2022 1:01 pm

    I will say that Russia really needs to step up its game in counter battery fire. Allowing Donetsk to be shelled for a few days is really kinda sad. They really need a dedicated counter battery task force. This task force should have #1 priority on all fire missions except where troops are facing an attack and could be overrun. In any case 2 tubes from each artillery formation as well as about 5 iskander missile with sub munition or thermobaric warheads at the ready.


    The Nazis shell the city randomly. It doesn´t matter to them which road or house they are hitting. They pull some selfpropelled gun or MRLS out of hiding, aim them at the city and fire a few shots, then they retreat to their hide-out like cockroaches. Because they are not aiming means that the whole operation lasts just two or three minutes.

    Even with artillery recon radars deployed and guns loaded you need a few minutes to shot back if you want to hit the enemy. Most of the time the time isn´t there.

    But: We don´t know how often the Nazis are hit even with the short time the Russians have to shot back.

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    Post  franco Fri Jun 17, 2022 1:24 pm

    Ukrainian sources claim they destroyed the tugboat "Vasily Bekh" of the Black Sea Fleet's 145th detachment of rescue ships off Snake Island.

    NOTE: apparently moving supplies and equipment onto Snake Island. Looking like this maybe correct.


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    Post  mr_hd Fri Jun 17, 2022 1:25 pm

    caveat emptor wrote:Interesting pic of low flying helis from today in the outskirts of Lysychansk. Probably delivering some sort of reinforcements to the city.
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    Yesterday Ukrainian army shot down Russian MI-35M in the Bakhmut area, they did it with MANPADs, there were two helicopters, they had to shoot few times before one was downed...on the internet is clip for those interested to see it.

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    Post  mr_hd Fri Jun 17, 2022 1:27 pm

    franco wrote:Ukrainian sources claim they destroyed the tugboat "Vasily Bekh" of the Black Sea Fleet's 145th detachment of rescue ships off Snake Island.

    NOTE: apparently moving supplies and equipment onto Snake Island. Looking like this maybe correct.


    https://twitter.com/RWApodcast/status/1537696580576460801?cxt=HHwWgoC-mZO5_9YqAAAA

    Two missiles made hit, it will get more and more dangerous for Russian ships around that island since Harpoons are starting to be delivered.

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    Post  mr_hd Fri Jun 17, 2022 1:35 pm

    caveat emptor wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:30,000?

    LDNR have IMO 5000-6000 KIA. Probably more wounded, and missing/captured dunno, but probably not a lot as they're fighting on their own territory
    Russia and LDNR combined are probably at 10K dead by now. Add double that amount for injured and you are at 30k combined. I don't think that number of missing captured is more than 1-1.5k.

    One month ago conservative number for Russian forces was at 10 000. This number was before high intensity fights in Donbass that are now raging and without wagner, chechen, LPR and DPR forces which were possibly even higher together...
    Numbers of losses of people on both sides are insane and there is reason why it is kept secret on both sides away from public.

    For Donbass - I read past few years Ukrainians build 8000 km long three parallel trench system - and inside is 60 000 soldiers, to conquest that even with superior arterially and overall numbers is not possible without huge loss of life.

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    Post  Stealthflanker Fri Jun 17, 2022 1:46 pm

    mr_hd wrote:

    Two missiles made hit, it will get more and more dangerous for Russian ships around that island since Harpoons are starting to be delivered.

    and more reason for more intensive air operations on Black Sea. 1 A-50 is not enough unfortunately.


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    Post  medo Fri Jun 17, 2022 2:12 pm

    Ex US general Steven Twitty said, that around 200.000 Ukrainian soldiers disappeared and no one knows, where they are. Those who are POW are known. Those who are wounded and in Ukrainian hospitals are also known. Disappeared only those, who are burried inside Donetska and Lugansk soil and Ukraine doesn't want to take them and count them and are simply missing.. We must not forget, that in February 17th, when Ukraine started war in Donbass, there were army group counting 150.000 soldiers, who should destroy DNR and LNR in four to five days.. After breaking front lines on both flanks in south DNR and in LNR and destroying two main concentrations and one month of fighting, when Russia start relocating troops from Kiev and Chernigov to Donbass, only around 40.000 Ukrainian soldiers from 150.000 remain there. Today profesional Ukrainian soldiers are mostly dead and in Donbass are now mostly territorial defense, mobilized soldiers and mercenaries..

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Fri Jun 17, 2022 3:23 pm

    How can VKS suppress the coastal missile batteries of Odessa?

    These would in fact require drone hunter killer systems with IR camera to distinguish what is a battery on the ground

    Also Kalibr , but how to first identify and recognize where they are?

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