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    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #17

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    Post  Ispan Mon May 30, 2022 9:32 pm

    Battle for Severodonetsk: situation at 20.00 on May 30, 2022 - Rybar

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    After a complete mopping up of Rubezhnoye and the capture of the villages of Voyevodovka, Shchedrishchevo and Metelkino on the outskirts, units of the Russian Army and the People's Militia of the PRL began to storm the city of Severodonetsk. Now the struggle is taking place house by house.

    ▪In the eastern part of the city, enemy troops are completely cleared from high-rise buildings on the square between Stroiteley Highway, Kosmonavtov Avenue and Novikov Street.

    ▪In the north, the units of the Allied Forces occupied areas near the Stroitelei highway, including the hospital on Yegorova Street, the Mir hotel and the bus station. Progress is being made along Khimikov Street towards the city center.

    Units of the Ukrainian Forces continue to control the central districts of Severodonetsk and the industrial zone of the Azot plant.

    ▪The supply of Ukrainian troops is difficult due to the destruction of the bridges across the Seversky Donets River. The Pavlogradsky Bridge was hit by an attack by the Russian Armed Forces, the Yubileyny Bridge is badly damaged and is beaten by machine guns, and the Leninsky Bridge is in poor condition and not suitable for the passage of heavy equipment.

    ▪The motivation of most Ukrainian units in the city is low. Mutinies periodically break out, entire units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and Territorial Defense leave the front line and flee to the nearby rear.

    So far, everything indicates that the resistance of the Ukrainian troops in the battles for Severodonetsk will not be as fierce as in the previous urban battles this year.

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    Post  mnztr Mon May 30, 2022 9:49 pm

    Vann7 wrote:
    mnztr wrote:

    Do you not understand that Medvedev plays this role in coordination with Putin? So Putin can remain the "approachable leader"? Its a classic good cop, bad cop.


    indeed..

    putin have been approachable for 22 years already and we know how that worked for him.. lol
    every new administration in the west ,starting a new war against russian interest , all the way
    with "mysterious accidents" in syria for russian airforce , firing of cruise missiles over russian
    soldiers heads by trump, and nato and israel shuting down an intel plane with dozens of officers ,
    and later told it was a "mistake" by putin. No  

    then later a war against armenia , and now ukraine..  and next moldova. and serbia likely attacked too.

    what putin don't understand ,is that the west see softy polite people , as insecurity and weakness , and this encourage them to hit russia harder , because they know putin will do nothing.

    This war in ukraine will have not been possible if a lstrong leader in power in russia .
    and that revolution to overthrow yakunovych not allowed to happen. No

    I think you miss the things Russia is doing. Did Putin have a hand in Trumps election? Brexit? BLM? Ultraright in the west? Mass immigration to the EU from Africa?
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    Post  Airbornewolf Mon May 30, 2022 10:09 pm

    Force-V KA-52 having fun in Alchevsk, Ukraine


    RF SU-25 combat flights in Ukraine


    RF 203-mm self-propelled guns Malka obliterate the enemy in the forest


    LPR in trench battle against Ukrainians part 1


    LPR in trench battle against Ukrainians part 2

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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Mon May 30, 2022 10:21 pm

    Airbornewolf wrote:Force-V KA-52 having fun in Alchevsk, Ukraine

    Ka-52 Alligators drifting in a hot warzone.

    Don't think these guys are lacking morale, so to speak.

    Meanwhile, Kiev's greatest achievement today was killing two elementary school teachers in Donetsk. Miles and miles away from any legit military target.


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    Post  Hole Mon May 30, 2022 10:25 pm

    What a warzone. People on the "beach". Very Happy

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    Post  Hole Mon May 30, 2022 10:29 pm

    ALAMO wrote:
    Hole wrote:

    This is currently their job. Sitting around and waiting for the Donbass cauldrons to be formed/cleared. Keeping an eye on the enemy.
    They are lucky that the enemy is dumb enough to attack them, otherwise the whole situation would get pretty boring.

    By the way, the number of footage where Ukro soldiers refuse to fight and obey given orders is starting to be some sick joke.
    Morale level is catastrophic.
    If only half of the stories are true, it is some kind of circus out there.
    Soldiers refuse to obey orders and fulfill duties. All the stories sound just same : no commanders who fled, no weapons, no support, no means of transportation, no clear orders, no recon.
    That brings some really serious question: where are thousands of tools provided by the whole NATO?!?
    We can't suspect all of that being frauded.
    And we can't suppose that they have managed to steal that all.
    Are the Russian strikes really so effective, that almost nothing reaches the frontline?!?
    Well, it is hard to believe - there are tons of materials proving hundreds of NATO systems are being captured.
    Are they arming some bloody secret army somewhere in the west?! Well, we would have known that, it is impossible to hide.
    Where is a hatch ?

    I guess it´s all of the above, except the "secret army". This is the same racket as the afghan ghost army.

    Look at the 40 Bill. $. At least half of which stays in the US, covering "expenses" of the american military. Or is used somewhere around the world.
    But officially it´s a credit/lease to "Ukraine."

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    Post  Hole Mon May 30, 2022 10:33 pm

    Giulio wrote:So guys, about the T-62M. ...
    The T.62M is like "a catapult" because of its lack of a real aiming and a fire control system.
    The T-62M is fifties tank, a real medieval war machine.
    He costs more than a T-72 or a T-90 because of its engine and its 4 men crew (instead of 3) and its logistics, which need to be activated....
    Its gun is mounted on a turret that takes a minute to fully rotate which has no optical systems worthy of the name.
    And ahh..., yes: "the T-62 it could be good for second-line tasks to avoid, for example, that Ukrainian tractors take away half of the Russian vehicles ... In the front line, it would only be a target".

    I don't want to make humor, these and more interesting facts circulate here, where I come from. So, there is someone who knows how long it takes to turn 360° the T.62M's tower (and how it relates to the tower of other tanks)? And how? Definitely pedaling, I bet, or with a water mill....

    AH, I was forgetting, what are the best simulators that can be used to build fake videos about fake journalists traveling on the street under "Russian fire"? Because here, I see some fantastic, surreal videos and really, I would like to know which simulators for kids exist today to be able to create scenarios. Arma-3?

    Yeah, sure. No fire control system. Seriously? The tank can launch laser guided missiles with his gun. Name a western tank with that capability.

    Look at it from this angle: most of these tanks will guard crossroads or important roads. A job which would be accomplished by an M113 or similar vehicles in western armies,
    equipped with a heavy MG at best. The T-62 has a 115mm gun, a 7,62mm coax MG and a 12,7mm MG on top.

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    Post  caveat emptor Mon May 30, 2022 10:33 pm

    Six border guards were killed in Bryansk oblast in clashes with Ukrainian saboteur group.

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    Post  Hole Mon May 30, 2022 10:34 pm

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    For our polish friends. Very Happy

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    Look who is coming to dinner.

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    Post  Werewolf Mon May 30, 2022 10:40 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    ALAMO wrote:...Still, I am not a big fan of this kind of solution.
    He should have gotten a fair judgment, and been fairly hung after.

    I firmly believe that life sentence in Pyatak or Black Dolphin is fate far worse than death

    Death is quick, lifetime of wanting to die and not being allowed to is far more horrific



    Then again this guy really might have kicked the bucket naturally, I doubt he was living healthy and recent stress levels were certainly higher than average

    I'm sure they have plenty of other shitbags in the hole ready for trial



    Although fact remains that it wasn't just Chechens who wanted his scalp, not even close


    For People like them, Black Dolphin is a hotel. They deserve far worse. There should be a special Prison underground with no fresh air or sunlight until they all rot. Everyone is isolated from each other. Deprive them of social contacts from other prisoners, deprive them of sunlight.

    If you ask me I would lock each in a very small 0.75qm cell completely soundproof and pitch black to deprive them of sense and losing faster ability to tell time. They get only one time a day food, tasteless, formless and never contact with any human being. The deprivation of all their senses will drive any human crazy.

    The sooner these beasts will try to kill themselves the better. They don't deserve anything but suicide. There must be a clear understanding for them, that there is no room for hope, but quick death should be only given to the lowest of the goons who uphold the Nazi ideology.

    Those who have acted to bring their ideology to life put them into pitch black cell and call it SMERT' (СПЛОШНАЯ МСТЯ ЭЛЕМЕНТОВ РАДИКАЛНЫХ ТЕРРИСТОВ) which should obviously not only be the new home for Azovites, Ajdarites, Tornadorites and all the other neo-nazi groups, but also to every mercenary that at any point was ever on russian soil which includes whole of the Ukraine.


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    Post  littlerabbit Mon May 30, 2022 10:42 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    ALAMO wrote:...Still, I am not a big fan of this kind of solution.
    He should have gotten a fair judgment, and been fairly hung after.

    I firmly believe that life sentence in Pyatak or Black Dolphin is fate far worse than death

    Death is quick, lifetime of wanting to die and not being allowed to is far more horrific



    Then again this guy really might have kicked the bucket naturally, I doubt he was living healthy and recent stress levels were certainly higher than average

    I'm sure they have plenty of other shitbags in the hole ready for trial



    Although fact remains that it wasn't just Chechens who wanted his scalp, not even close






    I think we can`t exclude heart attack. It is well known that a lot of soldiers of ex-Ukraine were/are using narcotics, but we don`t know what kind.

    It is quite possible to induce the cardiovascular insult (like cardiac arrest) with drug/narcotic overdosing or prolonged drug/narcotic using for a long period of time.

    Large amount of stress (fear) can be a trigger, for sure.

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    Post  Vann7 Mon May 30, 2022 11:15 pm

    Airbornewolf wrote:

    RF SU-25 combat flights in Ukraine


    LPR in trench battle against Ukrainians part 1



    Everyone look at both of this videos , it will illustrate exactly the problems with Russia military
    advance in ukraine...

    -They don't have air superiority at all , those su-25 are used for spying mostly ,doing the job ,what drones should be doing , and flying very fast and very slow to avoid air defenses and firing unguided rockets from very far away of their targets.. this is not close air support , not even close.
    this is a very weak way of using su-25s . Russian airforce is not even used to directly bomb those
    ukie soldiers inside trenches in close air support. likely for the airspace being dangerous to fly over there , for air defenses and manpads that ukrainians have.

    -Now in the trench videos.. you notice a drone there from russian military just observing  and doing nothing else. if they had there a true strike drone there instead ,  they will have smashed those uki soldiers there with precision and cleared the trench without the need to send soldiers in close hand combat. No

    in indian military pro russian forums, people have been commenting the same things..
    and here im going to quote someone who just saw exactly the same things i have been saying
    since the war began..  russia could have ended this war in just few weeks , if they had true air domination of the airspace. if russia tactics were correct and was using enough strike drones , in combination with artillery ,then those advanced trenches will have been useless..   neither russia have remote glide bombs like israel use in syria with tv camera ,that could allow the russian military
    to strike with ultra precision exactly inside the trench ,and in where soldiers are located..

    here is what indian forums are commenting.


    by @AUSTERLITZ
    The main reason russian performance has been underwhelming is the colossal failure of its airforce. Infantry was never their strong suit,tanks were neutralized by overwhelming ATGM supplies and not having actual modern vehicles with APS instead of upgraded soviet ones,the main weapon artillery is doing well.Missile strike forces are good.
    But Russian airforce is just a washout.No secure communications,no glide bombs,no SDB,limited number of PGMs,no real UCAVs,most planes dont have targeting pods.So the result is despite shooting the UKAF out of the sky they cant really break Ukrainian army on the ground or destroy their supply convoys.They have been checkmated by soviet era air defences and MANPADS.It shows that russians never truly invested in their aerospace forces,the limited funds they had went to air defence(s-400/500) and nuclear forces. If russian airforce was able to strike at will ukrainian rear right now this war would have been over. This shows the necessity of ISTAR assets,PGMs and stealth in modern warfare.

    https://defenceforumindia.com/threads/russia-ukraine-war-2022.83278/page-2026

    Nobody attacked him for telling the obvious , that is Russia military very inadequate combat
    tactics , and very limited use of strike ultra precision drones , force them to do things in the most
    harder ,inefficient ,dangerous and slow way possible.  everyone that is not an over reactive fanboy see the problem.

    So Russian airforce is the major failure in the entire conflict ,the lack of enough strike drones , lack of precision controlled weapons with tv guidance , the lack of combined arms support of artillery and airforce,  artillery keep heads down , while airforce fly above their heads.. then throw cheap strike drones or kamikazi drones in the zone of interest..  Russian very poor airforce tactics ,is what have caused so many casualties in the russian army . russian military need to learn how to use drones with airforce and with artillery combined.  they can use those su-25 as carrier of strike or kamikazi drones with tv/camera guidance.. to send them exactly in the place they need to be.. so that by the time anyone is ready minutes later , to aim at them ,it will be too late and soldiers ,or airdefense attacked.  Timing is every in wars .. russia needs to find a way to deploy strike drones , in the zone where airdefenses are located , or right above trenches..  to constantly bomb ukraine soldiers , making totally useless those trenches. but if all that russia do , is use 24 hours artillery , then no wonder ,they are safe,, since is very difficult for the angle of attack ,that artillery hit exactly in the place inside a trench ,where soldiers are exactly located.

    I suspect that this major weakness of Russian airforce , NATO is very well aware of it ,and the reason
    why they used this tactics of advanced trench warfare ,to help ukraine counter russian airforce , because the west knows , russia is very weak in advance electronics , something that is very important in strike drones ,artificial intelligence , advanced camera optics that russia is forced to use from foreign nations , advance thermals , and more importantly , the mass production of advance electronics , like nanochips , it all require manufacturing advanced plants ,that russia don't have.
    so force russia to build those circuits at inferior manufacturing quality and by hand. and worse of all , can't mass produce enough of them and the quantities they need . Putin total careless for russia high tech industry ,ignoring the danger of depending so much in the west , is the reason for this major weakness of russia in ultra  high precision weapons , advance strike drones ,artificial intelligence and more importantly the manufacturing on a major scale of all their advance electronic hardware that their military and airforce really need.



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    Post  JohninMK Mon May 30, 2022 11:40 pm

    Look what happens when you piss off the Russians, lots of help appears.

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    Post  Kiko Mon May 30, 2022 11:58 pm

    One way of attracting the Russian-speaking Baltic population towards the Motherland is to introduce reasonably well-paid jobs in rubles at the National Guard so that dual language-speaking officers on the borders should be an optimal solution. Once settled, these officers will attract their families.

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    Post  JohninMK Tue May 31, 2022 12:14 am

    Some here might appreciate the photo Laughing

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    Post  JohninMK Tue May 31, 2022 12:18 am

    Su-25 porn

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    Post  Isos Tue May 31, 2022 12:36 am

    Prisons aren't made for nazis... good old Gulag is. Let them break stones for no reason 15h a day and show them on a TV how Zelensky and Porochenko enjoy life in London. Then just release them and they will hunt those corrupted politicians wherever they are.
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    Post  diabetus Tue May 31, 2022 1:21 am

    JohninMK wrote:Su-25 porn


    they should definitely come out with an explanation for the cockpit mounted GPS. Its just fodder for propaganda. Also, not sure why they always show footage of lofted launching of rockets.

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    Post  lancelot Tue May 31, 2022 2:40 am

    Vann7 wrote:-They don't have air superiority at all , those su-25 are used for spying mostly ,doing the job ,what drones should be doing , and flying very fast and very slow to avoid air defenses and firing unguided rockets from very far away of their targets.. this is not close air support , not even close.
    this is a very weak way of using su-25s . Russian airforce is not even used to directly bomb those
    ukie soldiers inside trenches in close air support. likely for the airspace being dangerous to fly over there , for air defenses and manpads that ukrainians have.

    -Now in the trench videos.. you notice a drone there from russian military just observing  and doing nothing else. if they had there a true strike drone there instead ,  they will have smashed those uki soldiers there with precision and cleared the trench without the need to send soldiers in close hand combat.

    in indian military pro russian forums, people have been commenting the same things..
    and here im going to quote someone who just saw exactly the same things i have been saying
    since the war began..  russia could have ended this war in just few weeks , if they had true air domination of the airspace. if russia tactics were correct and was using enough strike drones , in combination with artillery ,then those advanced trenches will have been useless..   neither russia have remote glide bombs like israel use in syria with tv camera ,that could allow the russian military
    to strike with ultra precision exactly inside the trench ,and in where soldiers are located..
    diabetus wrote:they should definitely come out with an explanation for the cockpit mounted GPS. Its just fodder for propaganda. Also, not sure why they always show footage of lofted launching of rockets.
    It would never be quite as easy as that. Regardless of equipment. Ukraine had basically the largest army in Europe and they were being prepared for a conflict for 8 years or more. What I think the Ukrainians didn't expect was that their precious allies in NATO wouldn't come to assist them. They should have learned with the Georgian conflict.

    With regards to the Su-25, it used to be manufactured in Georgia, and those engines aren't in production anymore. It was considered a legacy platform. Some upgrade packages were created but they never entered production in anything approaching decent numbers. The analogous US platform, the A-10, was upgraded with HMD, night vision, and all sorts of gizmos. The upgrade was too expensive, so they never put it into that many aircraft either. The USAF keeps trying to kill the A-10. And the USAF claims it is mostly being used as a glorified missile delivery truck to deliver standoff weapons. Something they can do with the F-15 or F-16. They claim it isn't survivable against current anti-air weapons. They lost a couple on Iraq. And that was with the obsolete air defenses Iraq had together with over a decade of sanctions which prevented them to fix their equipment.

    What I think needs to happen is the Su-34M upgrade plus larger production of glide bombs basically. And more drones including the Orion. The Su-25 might either be replaced with drones or a whole new aircraft.
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    Post  Serberus Tue May 31, 2022 3:05 am

    caveat emptor wrote:Six border guards were killed in Bryansk oblast in clashes with Ukrainian saboteur group.

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    Post  GarryB Tue May 31, 2022 3:05 am

    Its depressing that Russia allowed these weapons to be brought in and now cannot effectively deliver counter battery fire. They knew these weapons were coming. Yet it seems they were not taking them seriously. There should be small groups dedicated to counter battery fire. If they cannot wipe these out a lot of Russians will die needlessly and this war will stretch out much longer

    It is depressing how much illegal drugs enter western countries every day... they know it is coming but they never stop it all.... maybe the west needs something like a war on drugs and that will stop it completely... I mean the laws against murder have meant no one gets murdered any more in the west because obviously everyone obeys the law and when decisions are made then things happen.

    Destroying things in transit prevents their use on the front line but that M777 battery that was attacked would still be in tact if they didn't get their guns...

    No reason to wander around the battlefield if they don't have big heavy guns to drag around with them.

    When they do get artillery like that... civilian areas are easier to find on a map than Russian positions so it will be the civilians that suffer from US and western support... hopefully they will remember that moving forward.

    what putin don't understand ,is that the west see softy polite people , as insecurity and weakness , and this encourage them to hit russia harder , because they know putin will do nothing.

    Putin is the leader of a country... he is not a gang leader who has to scare his opponents to keep them off his turf.

    If the west are so dumb that they see politeness and manners as a weakness then that is their loss... Russia is now going in a new direction and the west will suffer because of that... but you are making the rookie mistake of thinking the west is the whole world... the rest of the world deals with shit from the west all the time and they will be watching and learning that Putin means what he says and can be trusted... can't say that about any western leader... even if they are sincere like Germany wanting cheap gas, their views can be overruled by their US overlords or the other underlings in Brussels.

    Your complaints about Putin is what has saved Russia from better relations with the west and there fore even more damage when they turned on Russia eventually. Putin will now lead Russia to trade and cooperate with the rest of the world and that is going to seriously weaken the west as fewer countries use US dollars because they want a free hand to also trade with China and Russia and India etc etc... which will destroy the US dollar... so where does US power go when their bribes have to be in Euros or Yuan or even Rubles?

    This war in ukraine will have not been possible if a lstrong leader in power in russia .
    and that revolution to overthrow yakunovych not allowed to happen.

    Just because you say that it does not make it true... western regime attempts can be stopped... Erdogan is proof of that, but Wierd Al Yankovich was never pro Russia to begin with... he only took the Russian offer because it made sense and was nothing to do with any friendship brotherly or otherwise towards Russia.

    They essentially took out someone who could have been their guy if they weren't so tight with the funds... add the 5 billion they spent on the overthrow and the 40 billion in aide they are giving them now and they could have made an offer to Kiev that he would have jumped over fences to sign...

    And Crimea would still be part of the Ukraine...

    They fucked up.

    They can very simply be modified , to allow natural weathering to cause oxidation of small internal components , by ingress of moisture , over time . So they have a shelf life . This can actually be done for all ordnance . So no need to go and collect them afterwards .

    They still represent a threat... kids and animals etc etc... stupid teenagers... adults with evil intent...

    This is currently their job. Sitting around and waiting for the Donbass cauldrons to be formed/cleared. Keeping an eye on the enemy.
    They are lucky that the enemy is dumb enough to attack them, otherwise the whole situation would get pretty boring.

    Indeed... this is the period of the war when drones become a bit more useful as you can probe enemy positions and mark firing points and attack isolated groups or expose personel in constant pin prick attacks to wear them down like a sniper would.

    The T.62M is like "a catapult" because of its lack of a real aiming and a fire control system.
    The T-62M is fifties tank, a real medieval war machine.

    The places it would be used there are no enemy tanks, and you don't need a fire control system for stationary targets.

    He costs more than a T-72 or a T-90 because of its engine and its 4 men crew (instead of 3) and its logistics, which need to be activated....

    It costs nothing because it is already paid for... taking them out of storage and donating them saves money on maintenance and storage... freeing up space for later model tanks as they get replaced in service by newer vehicles.

    And ahh..., yes: "the T-62 it could be good for second-line tasks to avoid, for example, that Ukrainian tractors take away half of the Russian vehicles ... In the front line, it would only be a target".

    These are for use by Donbass and Ukrainian volunteers, the Russians already have T-72s which they are trained on and are familiar with.

    The Donbass volunteers just need simple tanks that have armour and a gun... a T-62 ticks those boxes as much as an old model T-72 would... sending T-62s means T-72s remain for other uses like being made into terminators or robot tanks with spare parts compatible with the T-72 and T-90 models they currently use.

    I don't want to make humor, these and more interesting facts circulate here, where I come from. So, there is someone who knows how long it takes to turn 360° the T.62M's tower (and how it relates to the tower of other tanks)? And how? Definitely pedaling, I bet, or with a water mill....

    If the threat is serious the commander can order the gunner to turn to engage but also the driver to turn the entire vehicle to speed up traverse if needed.

    I think you miss the things Russia is doing. Did Putin have a hand in Trumps election? Brexit? BLM? Ultraright in the west? Mass immigration to the EU from Africa?

    No evidence for any of those things... they spend millions of dollars and four years searching for proof that Putin got Trump elected and came up with nothing... no evidence for Brexit or BLM either and the ultra right in the west are the same sort of nazis in ukraine... not people Putin would work with.

    Mass immigration to the EU was the Syrian conflict and the western attack on Libya which Russia and Putin actually worked against.

    The biggest threat to the west is the actions of the west.

    They finished shooting themselves in the foot and are working their way up their own legs.... why stop them?

    Meanwhile, Kiev's greatest achievement today was killing two elementary school teachers in Donetsk.

    American influence perhaps... school rampages...

    The main reason russian performance has been underwhelming is the colossal failure of its airforce.

    It is perfectly normal for western experts and their prodogy to think everything needs to be done with air power and when it is not done the western way then it must be the wrong way.

    Artillery and guided missiles are doing the lions share of the work and are being very efficient at it... the west can continue to complain that their surrogates are being cleaned up on the battlefield to justify their enormous investment in their own military forces that wouldn't last 10 minutes against the Ukraine Russia went up against.

    they should definitely come out with an explanation for the cockpit mounted GPS. Its just fodder for propaganda. Also, not sure why they always show footage of lofted launching of rockets.

    Why does a satellite navigation receiver in an aircraft need an explaination?

    Lofting rockets at targets shows they are not the dumb Su-25s from the 1980s that can direct fire but not flight profile shape its unguided weapon launches because now it has CCIP and can loft rockets to fire them from much greater ranges and operate in greater safety from ground fire from the target.

    Su-25s were popular because direct fire rockets are a very effective way of dealing with targets on a battlefield and because they used to be direct fired they were quite accurate or should I say accurate enough because Rockets are an area weapon you would use against troops or unarmoured vehicles where direct hits are not needed.

    Current Su-25s are rather more sophisticated and have a wide range of guided weapons... but the dumb bombs and rockets get the job done.

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    Post  caveat emptor Tue May 31, 2022 4:07 am

    GarryB wrote:
    they should definitely come out with an explanation for the cockpit mounted GPS. Its just fodder for propaganda. Also, not sure why they always show footage of lofted launching of rockets.

    Why does a satellite navigation receiver in an aircraft need an explaination?
    These are bought by pilots. They serve as a double to plane's native navigation suite and in case they have to abandon the plane.  Apparently, Russia still doesn't produce anything comparable, according to Fighterbomber channel. Pilots were using ProNebo Android application, but can't do it in Ukraine, since phones and tablets are forbidden to use.
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    Post  Backman Tue May 31, 2022 4:37 am

    ❗Reasonable!"  - Medvedev said, commenting on Biden's decision not to supply Ukraine with missile systems that reach Russian territory.

    "Otherwise, when attacking our cities, the Russian Armed Forces would have fulfilled their threat and struck at the centers for making these criminal decisions. Some of them are not located in Ukraine at all. There is no need to explain what happens next ...

    Why does Medvedev or ANYONE believe the US when they said they wont send long range munitions that could hit Russian cities ???? That is exactly what their plan is going to be. 100%. Maybe Medvedev really does know this and they are readying the missiles. I don't think Zelensky is worth as much alive as dead now. Bucha was a long tome ago. They need some more atrocity propaganda.

    Oh and a question. I have Vann7 on my foe list but I still see his cringe drivel. How do I block the pos ?

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    Post  Backman Tue May 31, 2022 4:41 am

    caveat emptor wrote:
    GarryB wrote:
    they should definitely come out with an explanation for the cockpit mounted GPS. Its just fodder for propaganda. Also, not sure why they always show footage of lofted launching of rockets.

    Why does a satellite navigation receiver in an aircraft need an explaination?
    These are bought by pilots. They serve as a double to plane's native navigation suite and in case they have to abandon the plane.  Apparently, Russia still doesn't produce anything comparable, according to Fighterbomber channel. Pilots were using ProNebo Android application, but can't do it in Ukraine, since phones and tablets are forbidden to use.

    Who is Fighterbomber channel ?
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    Post  sepheronx Tue May 31, 2022 4:45 am

    caveat emptor wrote:
    GarryB wrote:
    they should definitely come out with an explanation for the cockpit mounted GPS. Its just fodder for propaganda. Also, not sure why they always show footage of lofted launching of rockets.

    Why does a satellite navigation receiver in an aircraft need an explaination?
    These are bought by pilots. They serve as a double to plane's native navigation suite and in case they have to abandon the plane.  Apparently, Russia still doesn't produce anything comparable, according to Fighterbomber channel. Pilots were using ProNebo Android application, but can't do it in Ukraine, since phones and tablets are forbidden to use.

    Doesnt produce comparable to what?  A satnav system?  They have plenty of them and use Glonass as well.  Most aircraft have them currently minus non upgraded devices.  Su-34's in early years had them too.

    Or do you mean some kind of handheld device?

    This is such as one device used on SVP-24

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