Russian special military operation in Ukraine #15

diabetus wrote:Russian supply routes to Izium might be at risk now due to Ukraine's push in the vicinity of Kharkov.

The Ukrainians have not yet reached the border. The reports yesterday were wrong.

It is doubtful whether they can already threaten supplies. I hope for a counterattack by Russian troops. The Ukrainians are now in open field and easy targets for artillery

PapaDragon wrote:

Azi wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:
Moral victory never delivered war victory

Moral is irrelevant

I would say that is the most important factor of all....much more important than modern weapons ...

Morale don't count for shit, morals even less so (we had plenty of it over here and it didn't mean f*ck all in the end)

Alexander the great buried his dead soldiers as quick as possible and very secretively...the opponents thought that Alexander's army was immortal and invincible and surrendered relatively quickly. That's the main factor Alexander built a empire from Greece to India in only a few years. Where the opponents had not yet heard of Alexander's mythical fame, he also broke his teeth.

Nobody was born a Nazi! Ukrainians were, are and will remain brothers and sisters of the Russian people. They are so Russophobic at the moment (not all) because they have been fed Western and Nazi propaganda for 20 years. Killing everyone would only help one, Uncle Sam. It would hurt Russia as much as it hurt Ukraine.

But I agree with you that the main part of the Nazi troops in Donbass and in Kharkov must be defeated militarily. The Nazis now must be grinded away in the big meat grinder! A victory that is too quick is also not good politically, because if the war is slow, Russia can absorb parts of Ukraine.

Funnily enough, if Ukraine would have capitulated after a week it had kept all its territory except Donbass, now it will lose more than half...the advantage of the slow military operation

GarryB wrote:He has to believe Russia is losing because otherwise the west has been lying to him all this time and that would destroy his world view.

You'd have thought that Yugoslavia/Kosovo, Afghanistan, Iraq, Georgia, Libya, Syria, Yemen etc (or Skripal, Navalny, MH17, Uighur Genocide, NS2 etc) would have more that adequate to clearly illustrate how the West uses lies and deceit as a core component of their global dominance strategy? Some people however will fight tooth and nail in order to keep the blindfold in place. Stupid runs deep it does seem.

A bit of humour to lighten the mood

New Ukrainian sniper vid
https://t.me/DonbassDevushka/5947

Tu-22 launching kh-22 at ground targets.


https://mobile.twitter.com/200_zoka/status/1524326248092164096

Azi wrote:Nobody was born a Nazi! Ukrainians were, are and will remain brothers and sisters of the Russian people. 

Only in the South and East, most of the Ukrops to the North and West are indistinguishable from your average Polack or Georgian in mentality. They hate Russia and will always blame Russians for all their shortcomings in life. 

They are so Russophobic at the moment (not all) because they have been fed Western and Nazi propaganda for 20 years.

They're Russophobic because they have no real identity or history of their own. What is the Ukraine? Kievan Rus was Russian, not Ukrainian. They call Russians mongoloids while they have Azov men who look like Neanderthals addressing the Greek parliament. They are mostly a lost and hopeless people and the worst thing Russia could do is try to Russify them, it didn't work in Soviet times and it won't work now. Crush them militarily and leave them to wallow in shit.

Man what was that missile?

https://t.me/intelslava/28563

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Isos wrote:Tu-22 launching kh-22 at ground targets.

https://mobile.twitter.com/200_zoka/status/1524326248092164096

This should be Kh-32, as right after launch it climbs upwards. Also wasn't this missile exclusively built to take out the NATO carriers? I didn't know it had land attack capability as well.

flamming_python wrote:Man what was that missile?

https://t.me/intelslava/28563

Most likely a supersonic missile since we didn't hear anything before the explosion (and neither did they).

GarryB wrote " For Russia there was no alternative to war so it does not matter how long it takes... " I am not an Armchair General , but I do know a little about Cookery and Ceramics . As an analogy ; in cooking , there is mostly a proportional relationship between heat - work applied to time of cooking . For example : we can get similar effects by cooking a stew at 80 C for one hour , to say cooking at 60 C , for 1.5 hours . But in Ceramics , there is hardly a proportional relationship . If we fire a pot at 900 C , for ten hours , compared to firing a pot at 450 C , for twenty hours , we do not get similar results . One pot will be fired to hardness , the other still a lump of dry mud !

Therefore first , what is the nature of war ? Is there a direct or proportional relationship , between work done and the end result ? Or is there a non-proportional relationship , say a curve that flattens out or even drops off ? We know that if there was a proportional relationship , then the winning side would not suddenly quit , and the loosing side , would not forever hang on . This means that a non - linear relationship exists , where certain variables come into play and have a marked qualitative impact .

And if , it can not be purely material resources , then we have to look at the psychological or social aspects . For some societies , and some armies , then a small pressure becomes unbearable . And for others , even a big pressure is bearable . Which do we plan for ? It seems , we have a choice of how much work we do and when . And how high we need to turn up the heat ( how intense the fighting becomes ) , to cause a psychological fusion ?

"Ukraine says it will block Russian gas supply to Europe"

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-russia-block-gas-supply-b2076300.html?utm_content=Echobox&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR0LPqJnTMJfca3ZdzSKkQZJt1EfzuRQX6e0eqM363KPh9T4U47RK8hKAGw#Echobox=1652274862

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/05/11/natural-gas-prices-in-europe-jump-after-ukraine-blocks-russian-flows.html

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/ukraine-blocks-russian-gas-pipeline-to-western-europe-rz7httmkb

Am i missing something here, isn't this the west news? It makes no sense
Ukraine beat Russia to close gas deliveries, talk about a night of long knives!
Why Ukraine shut off the gas, wont this turn Germany and EU against them?
Wont this build support for Nord 2?
This will sink the EU economy..... Inflation in double figures..... German economy will die
no gas for germany = no backflow to pass on to Poland
plus ukr was getting a fee for the gas going through the pipelines - now they can say good bye to that.... wonder what Poland will say to it all? Maybe instead of Russia, it will be Poland declaring an all out war and invade Ukr  hahaha
Collective suicide, this is just a circular firing squad

Surely NATO & EU can see that USA Will throw them under the bus and dont care a damn about them and it has only helped Russia with the price of gas going up

owais.usmani wrote:

Isos wrote:Tu-22 launching kh-22 at ground targets.

https://mobile.twitter.com/200_zoka/status/1524326248092164096

This should be Kh-32, as right after launch it climbs upwards. Also wasn't this missile exclusively built to take out the NATO carriers? I didn't know it had land attack capability as well.

Just beautiful

MonkeymodelBananaRepublic wrote:"Ukraine says it will block Russian gas supply to Europe"

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-russia-block-gas-supply-b2076300.html?utm_content=Echobox&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR0LPqJnTMJfca3ZdzSKkQZJt1EfzuRQX6e0eqM363KPh9T4U47RK8hKAGw#Echobox=1652274862

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/05/11/natural-gas-prices-in-europe-jump-after-ukraine-blocks-russian-flows.html

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/ukraine-blocks-russian-gas-pipeline-to-western-europe-rz7httmkb

Am i missing something here, isn't this the west news? It makes no sense
Ukraine beat Russia to close gas deliveries, talk about a night of long knives!
Why Ukraine shut off the gas, wont this turn Germany and EU against them?
Wont this build support for Nord 2?
This will sink the EU economy..... Inflation in double figures..... German economy will die
no gas for germany = no backflow to pass on to Poland
plus ukr was getting a fee for the gas going through the pipelines - now they can say good bye to that.... wonder what Poland will say to it all? Maybe instead of Russia, it will be Poland declaring an all out war and invade Ukr  hahaha
Collective suicide, this is just a circular firing squad

Surely NATO & EU can see that USA Will throw them under the bus and dont care a damn about them and it has only helped Russia with the price of gas going up

You are assuming EU elites possess rationality and critical thinking skills...

Broski wrote:

flamming_python wrote:Man what was that missile?

https://t.me/intelslava/28563

Most likely a supersonic missile since we didn't hear anything before the explosion (and neither did they).

One frame shows the incoming missile, too smeared however to tell.

EU said ukraine would need tens of years to be member. Before the start of the war they told them it will happen as soon as they send their membership.

They found out EU/US use them as a dog so now they will block EU gas as a revenge.

Ukraine is left with no allues. US/UK will still send weapons to make as muany dead as possible. Until the end.

It's a vertical attack so Iskander or Kinzhal.

I hope one of those youtubers will make a short documentary about the failed Ukrainian attack on Snake Islands. Zelensky's incompetence has drawn my interest now.