Russian special military operation in Ukraine #14

Sephernox wrote " Then it is up to Russia to protect its borders, now isnt it? Also, maybe striking at UK shipping of these weapons as well." I read some posters on Internet think that " Russia can not take reciprocal action like the west," but they are wrong ; since the west has many adversaries and many assets : military bases, ships, pipelines, data- lines, sattelite.....

About decision makers and strategy, I personally get the impression that these are as much a resultant or collective decision, based as much on instinct ( not that this is wrong) as on hard reasoning ( necessarily always right). If my reasoning is right, then by now a hard response and warning............ ( proportional) should have been given, to disallow the coalescence and gradual unification of Western forces. But if I think with my gut, I also get this aversion to hard response? Do any of you get the same feeling? Where is it coming from? Should we listen to it?

https://twitter.com/AggregateOsint/status/1518580619655073793?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1518580619655073793%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fterb.cc%2Fxenforo%2Fthreads%2Fwar-logistics-expert-telenko-and-other-war-analysts-commentary.776735%2Fpage-12

any truth to this? If Russia does not have aviation and arty to absolutely savage any counter attack then this is utter incompetence IMHO. There should be TOS1 ready to incenerate any kind of attack

mnztr wrote:https://twitter.com/AggregateOsint/status/1518580619655073793?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1518580619655073793%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fterb.cc%2Fxenforo%2Fthreads%2Fwar-logistics-expert-telenko-and-other-war-analysts-commentary.776735%2Fpage-12

any truth to this? If Russia does not have aviation and arty to absolutely savage any counter attack then this is utter incompetence IMHO. There should be TOS1 ready to incenerate any kind of attack

If this war has shown anything, it is that Russia's armed forces have plenty of utterly incompetent leaders. Don't be surprised by such changes.

This Telegram post made me sad: https://t.me/voenacher/16519

Ukraine is now sending men who are close to being pensioners to the killing fields. I hope all of them will surrender and will have the chance to smoke some more fresh cigarettes.

To be clear, if Russia cannot defend Kherson, Putin must end up like Gaddafi.

I think everyone understands this.

Podlodka77 wrote:

RTN wrote:

Isos wrote:What a joke. Some chinese generals are hoping for a war, no matter which. They want to test themselves in a real war.

China can't even afford to launch a military campaign against Taiwan. A third world hell hole like India stopped the Chinese on their tracks two years ago.

Hoping Kung Flus do come for a test. From your mouth to dog's ear.

I'm sorry for comparing you with cockroaches, because you are more stupid..

Your views might be polls apart but there is surely no need for insults like that on this forum?

@mnztr

Russia if confronted with existential threat, by larger conventional force, will be forced to escalate to non- convential war! But should it wait until a convential threat becomes an existential threat, necessitating the use of nukes? In my view no, it should not. The escalation to nukes, should happen, well before tensions are allowed to reach that level. Sarmat in the public eye is just another missile. We should not fail, to drive home the reality of nuclear war. Savage humanity, needs more explicit examples. Live Nuke explosions, as warnings, across uninhabited areas or near enemy ships Now! At least that is what my brain tells me, not my heart!

Looks like the bridge near odessa has minor damage

nomadski wrote:
@mnztr

Russia if confronted with existential threat, by larger conventional force, will be forced to escalate to non- convential war! But should it wait until a convential threat becomes an existential threat, necessitating the use of nukes? In my view no, it should not. The escalation to nukes, should happen, well before tensions are allowed to reach that level. Sarmat in the public eye is just another missile. We should not fail, to drive home the reality of nuclear war. Savage humanity, needs more explicit examples. Live Nuke explosions, as warnings, across uninhabited areas or near enemy ships Now! At least that is what my brain tells me, not my heart!

Why would Russia use non-conventional warfare when it has only mobilized 125k soldiers? Makes no sense.

If, after mobilizing and utilizing 500k troops, Russia is still not able to achieve its aims, the use non-conventional means makes sense. Otherwise it is a sign of grave weakness.

I trust Putin, he's got a masterplan.

The decision as to when is not hard. We need not wait for a Rose- bud, to bloom, to say that it smells sweet! If enemy forces increasing, our forces decreasing, money for war not available, enemy money for war available, then prediction easy. Act now.

zorobabel wrote:

nomadski wrote:
@mnztr

Russia if confronted with existential threat, by larger conventional force, will be forced to escalate to non- convential war! But should it wait until a convential threat becomes an existential threat, necessitating the use of nukes? In my view no, it should not. The escalation to nukes, should happen, well before tensions are allowed to reach that level. Sarmat in the public eye is just another missile. We should not fail, to drive home the reality of nuclear war. Savage humanity, needs more explicit examples. Live Nuke explosions, as warnings, across uninhabited areas or near enemy ships Now! At least that is what my brain tells me, not my heart!

Why would Russia use non-conventional warfare when it has only mobilized 125k soldiers? Makes no sense.

If, after mobilizing and utilizing 500k troops, Russia is still not able to achieve its aims, the use non-conventional means makes sense. Otherwise it is a sign of grave weakness.

Your dislikes are interesting but not particularly relevant. Please reply to me via words. Use whichever language is most convenient to you. I speak three, so I bet we can find a common ground.

ATLASCUB wrote:I trust Putin, he's got a masterplan.

Maybe or maybe not. But we need to remember the history also. People - especially western experts - have written Putin off for the past 20 years and he has always emerged as winner, so I'm not ready to throw towel in the corner yet on him. If I would have got a dogecoin every time they have said in the west that now Putin made his last mistake, he's doomed, Russia is doomed, it would be me buying Twitter.

My reasoning is that, if we leave the situation to deteriorate to a position, where any side, through the use of massive conventional arms, as is expected in large force deployments, exerts an existential threat to the other side, that at this point, the use of nukes becomes irresistible. It is too late then to diffuse. The time to act is now, as a show of force or deterrence, for symbolic Nuke strikes, without casualties. As a means or last measure, to avert a real nuclear exchange.

Putin yesterday at the Board of the Prosecutors General. My highlight

Further. Particular attention should be paid to those people who come to Russia from Ukraine, from the Donetsk and Lugansk people's republics. Today, there are already about a million of them, including over a hundred thousand children.
People who are forced to leave their homes do not always have with them the documents necessary to receive material assistance, medical support, for placing children in schools and kindergartens.
I ask the Prosecutor General's Office to provide people with legal assistance, protect their rights, including considering the appeals of victims as soon as possible. It's already hard for people, help them.

Kharkov region. Just found the ATGM launcher in the haystack.

Urluber wrote:

ATLASCUB wrote:I trust Putin, he's got a masterplan.

Maybe or maybe not. But we need to remember the history also. People - especially western experts - have written Putin off for the past 20 years and he has always emerged as winner, so I'm not ready to throw towel in the corner yet on him. If I would have got a dogecoin every time they have said in the west that now Putin made his last mistake, he's doomed, Russia is doomed, it would be me buying Twitter.

It's a joke in jest.

He's got a plan but like all best laid plans, they go to shit when you meet your enemy in certain aspects. I don't agree with many of the actions of that leadership - many defy all common sense, and basics and the results show, irrefutably. The sheeple are the ones too enamored with the man, cult-like, and that leadership and emotionally vested in victory... so they see enemies everywhere, including their own shadow at any sign of criticism or slight of said leadership... an afront to them moraly. It's normal human behavior by sheeple, doesn't mean it should be coddled, primitive as it's.

They've written off a nation of 11 million for the last 60 years+ and they're still standing. The richest single nation on the planet is clearly not easy to take down... even if its leadership is mediocre at managing its external threats.

NATO has already lost the war in Ukraine.
Their intention now is to keep Moscow pinned down in Ukraine forever.

mnztr wrote:https://twitter.com/AggregateOsint/status/1518580619655073793?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1518580619655073793%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fterb.cc%2Fxenforo%2Fthreads%2Fwar-logistics-expert-telenko-and-other-war-analysts-commentary.776735%2Fpage-12

any truth to this? If Russia does not have aviation and arty to absolutely savage any counter attack then this is utter incompetence IMHO. There should be TOS1 ready to incenerate any kind of attack

Zero evidence this is real. But there is evidence of destruction of Kiev regime forces around Alexandrovka.

Sujoy wrote:NATO has already lost the war in Ukraine.
Their intention now is to keep Moscow pinned down in Ukraine forever.

NATzO is under the delusion that Afghanistan broke the USSR. The USSR had the situation under control until traitor Gorbachov
pulled the forces out in 1989. The fact that the government in Kabul lasted two years after they left proves this. The US
puppet regime did not last a week.

There is no evidence of any popular uprising against Russia in Kherson, Zaporozhye, and Kharkov. I expect that Odessa and Nikolaev
will be the same once regime forces crumble. They will crumble when the LDNR cauldron is properly boiled off.

kvs wrote:

mnztr wrote:https://twitter.com/AggregateOsint/status/1518580619655073793?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1518580619655073793%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fterb.cc%2Fxenforo%2Fthreads%2Fwar-logistics-expert-telenko-and-other-war-analysts-commentary.776735%2Fpage-12

any truth to this? If Russia does not have aviation and arty to absolutely savage any counter attack then this is utter incompetence IMHO. There should be TOS1 ready to incenerate any kind of attack

Zero evidence this is real.   But there is evidence of destruction of Kiev regime forces around Alexandrovka.  

Russian forces never controlled these villages. This is a routine propaganda game from the Kiev regime to claim it retook territory it never lost.

Someone who claims that Azov is not a Nazi battalion has sent me a link that supposedly proofs that.
https://www.stopfake.org/uk/stara-pisnya-mizhnarodni-zmi-znov-zgaduyut-stari-fejki-pro-bataljon-azov-ta-neonatsizm-v-ukrayini/
Although I do not trust that person, I wonder what to reply to him.

diabetus wrote:


Looks like the bridge near odessa has minor damage

Other photos indicate the bridge is no longer structurally worthy. It does not need to be brought down into the water to become useless
for its function. People on this board masturbate way too quickly about Russian fails. Russia could have sent a few more cruise missiles
to "finnish the job" but chose not to. That is not because it does not have enough cruise missiles as claimed by NATzO retards, but because
the remote intelligence determined that the damage was sufficient.

SolidarityWithRussia wrote:Someone who claims that Azov is not a Nazi battalion has sent me a link that supposedly proofs that.
https://www.stopfake.org/uk/stara-pisnya-mizhnarodni-zmi-znov-zgaduyut-stari-fejki-pro-bataljon-azov-ta-neonatsizm-v-ukrayini/
Although I do not trust that person, I wonder what to reply to him.

Extolling of Stepan Bandera is the only evidence that is needed. And Azov is not the only ones doing it. Every so-called moderate
Ukr politician, academic and mass media member does this.