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    Post  Stealthflanker Thu Apr 21, 2022 10:38 pm

    i'm thinking of more domestic case than sabotage TBH.

    If it's were sabotage, one would expect hits on those factories where weapons are made. Or maybe if they really want it. Belgorod have a nuclear weapon storage site they can hit there and located much closer to Ukraine.

    but then again... it could be they can only aim "soft" target.

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    Post  kvs Thu Apr 21, 2022 10:42 pm

    So the Minsk moment has come.   The west is starting to cry about the need for a ceasefire.  
    Putin has told it to go and jump in a lake while flying a kite.


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    Post  Broski Thu Apr 21, 2022 11:03 pm

    kvs wrote:So the Minsk moment has come.   The west is starting to cry about the need for a ceasefire.  
    Of course, they know the orcs in the donbass are about to be annihilated, but then if their propaganda was true and the Ukraine is beating Russia back, what need would there be for the West to call a ceasefire? They never called for one while bombing baghdad, belgrade, tripoli or raqqa back to the stone age.

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    Post  ucmvulcan Thu Apr 21, 2022 11:18 pm

    Moscow would be incredibly stupid to let Ukraine have a truce for Easter.

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    Post  JohninMK Thu Apr 21, 2022 11:30 pm

    ucmvulcan wrote:Moscow would be incredibly stupid to let Ukraine have a truce for Easter.

    Easter was last weekend for all the Catholics in the west of Ukraine, so its too late.

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    Post  mnztr Thu Apr 21, 2022 11:33 pm

    Anyone notice Medvedevs political rehabilitation? He has been on TV a lot .

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    Post  Broski Thu Apr 21, 2022 11:44 pm

    mnztr wrote:Anyone notice Medvedevs  political rehabilitation? He has been on TV a lot .
    The collective West single-handedly crushed the 5th and 6th columnist movements in Russia, Medvedev has spent a number of years reinventing his image to the Russian citizenry, perhaps with secret ambitions of becoming President again in the near future, which I personally hope will never happen.

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    Post  PapaDragon Thu Apr 21, 2022 11:55 pm

    mnztr wrote:Anyone notice Medvedevs  political rehabilitation? He has been on TV a lot .

    People keep forgetting that he was the president when Russia stomped Georgia and it took Putin coming back from Beiling to get him to cool off and not roll into Tbilsi

    Dmitry is crazy

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    Post  JohninMK Thu Apr 21, 2022 11:56 pm

    Mmmmm



    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/large-deadly-fire-breaks-out-russian-defense-research-facility

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    Post  Broski Fri Apr 22, 2022 12:23 am

    JohninMK wrote:Mmmmm
    How many Ukrainians worked in the plant?

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    Post  sepheronx Fri Apr 22, 2022 12:24 am

    This will further push the need for security cameras all over the place, especially and such centers. And honestly, that is what is needed in first place - security cameras everywhere.

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    Post  Stealthflanker Fri Apr 22, 2022 12:29 am

    The best thing would of course FSB to intensify their work.

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    Post  limb Fri Apr 22, 2022 12:31 am

    Broski wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:Mmmmm
    How many Ukrainians worked in the plant?

    WTF is retarded idea that ukrainians in russia are somehow more suspicious? If a ukrainian went to russia, chances are almost certain that he opposes the ukrainian regime and is fleeing persecution. If anything, we should be more wary of young russian liberals who blame the russian government of depriving them from BMWs and iphones. Also ukrainians in russia might as well be russian since ukrainians and russians are basically the same ethnicity.


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    Post  kvs Fri Apr 22, 2022 12:32 am

    There are a lot of migrants from western Ukraine in Russia. Really a lot. I always found this to be a peculiar since they see
    Russia as an existential enemy. So the likelihood of sabotage is stratospheric. I am surprised it has taken them over a month
    to get into gear. I suspect that they have NATzO supervision and are not setting their own schedule.

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Fri Apr 22, 2022 12:38 am

    sepheronx wrote:This will further push the need for security cameras all over the place, especially and such centers.  And honestly, that is what is needed in first place - security cameras everywhere.


    or Chechen commando?. Just in case Russian always can say sorry its their Highlander nature we don't condone such extreme tortures tortures but bygone is bygone. lol1 lol1 lol1




    Medvedev responded to the threats of the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine to hit the Crimean bridge
    "One of the stubborn Ukrainian bosses said about the need to strike at the Crimean bridge. I hope he understands that he will be a retaliatory target," Medvedev

    https://tass.ru/politika/14437635

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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Fri Apr 22, 2022 12:39 am

    Yet another theme for bored forumers who need to distill their keyboard diarrhea.
    Now, we are going to spend entire pages reading about the alleged sabotage and Putin's inability to stop them.

    Laughing

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    Post  Isos Fri Apr 22, 2022 12:49 am

    Ukrainians doing ukrainian stuff.


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    Post  JohninMK Fri Apr 22, 2022 12:54 am


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    Post  Regular Fri Apr 22, 2022 12:56 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    mnztr wrote:Anyone notice Medvedevs  political rehabilitation? He has been on TV a lot .

    People keep forgetting that he was the president when Russia stomped Georgia and it took Putin coming back from Beiling to get him to cool off and not roll into Tbilsi

    Dmitry is crazy


    You reminded this meme

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    Добейте выживших (Finish off the survivors)

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    Post  ucmvulcan Fri Apr 22, 2022 12:57 am

    JohninMK wrote:
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    They need to be calibrated. Not one road or railroad junction or bridge east of Lvov needs to be intact

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    Post  JohninMK Fri Apr 22, 2022 1:03 am

    Here we go with a very different view on the Moskna. This is from a poster on MoA.

    From an unknown Russian source (translated):

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    The cruiser Moscow died in an unequal battle. His crew showed true heroism.

    On the night of April 14, a massive missile and air strike (MRAU) was inflicted on the cruiser Moskva by the forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. The attack was planned and coordinated by NATO specialists based in Odessa. The place and time of the attack on Moscow was chosen on purpose, when there were neutral merchant ships in the area near the cruiser, which did not allow the commander of Moscow to use the entire range of weapons to repel the attack.

    At the ship, as is already customary in Ukraine, they fired at everything that was ready to shoot at a surface target. According to confirmed information, the MRAU was inflicted by Kh-35 missiles from Su-24 tactical bombers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the RK-360MTs Neptune coastal missile system. The target designation was given by the NATO Global Hawk unmanned reconnaissance aircraft, the Bayraktar TB-2 UAVs delivered a distracting strike.

    The ship has been closely monitored for the last few days, concentrated forces, worked out all the possibilities for a strike. As a result, on the night of April 13-14, 22 aviation and coastal anti-ship missiles were launched at the cruiser Moskva. The launching positions of the coastal complexes were located along the coast from Chernomorsk to Ochakov, a link of bombers entered from the Crimea.

    During the anti-missile battle, the crew of the cruiser managed to repel the missile strike, destroying 20 of the 22 attacking missiles, 2 Bayraktar TB-2 UAVs and 1 Su-24.

    In repelling a missile strike, the S-300F Fort and Osa-M air defense systems worked perfectly. Only 3 Neptune anti-ship missiles were able to break through directly to the ship, and the commander faced a difficult choice. Apply the PK-2, PK-10, which would cover Moscow with a cloud of chaff, but then the missiles would be aimed at neutral merchant ships.

    Moscow did not hide and met the missiles with artillery fire. 1 missile was shot down, 2 hit the cruiser on the left side, a massive fire began, which led to a partial detonation of artillery ammunition and a violation of the hull's tightness. The cruiser began to sink, but was able to independently reach the coast of Crimea. After exhausting all means of fighting for the survivability of the cruiser, the commander ordered the crew to leave the ship.

    During the battle and the struggle for damage, the crew, as befits the crew of a flagship, acted in a coordinated manner, showing heroism and courage in an unequal battle.

    Why the details of this night are being hidden from us is not clear.

    NATO analysts are still in shock from how one of the oldest ships of the Black Sea Fleet showed itself in a missile battle. We have all seen the Pentagon's statements that the ship, after the battle, independently retreated to the coast of Crimea. Moscow single-handedly repelled an attack that, according to NATO standards, can only be successfully repulsed by a tactical group of ships.

    It makes no sense to shield Zelensky and his American friends.

    The ship died heroically in battle, each member of the crew is a hero.

    Why the official representatives of the Ministry of Defense do not tell the real story of the last battle of "Moscow", but prefer to remain silent - is incomprehensible.

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    Post  JohninMK Fri Apr 22, 2022 1:07 am

    ucmvulcan wrote:
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    They need to be calibrated.  Not one road or railroad junction or bridge east of Lvov needs to be intact

    That is not quite right, bridges are expensive pieces of infrastructure and do not sometimes need to be destroyed to render then useless.

    In the case of railways all you need to do is pick a difficult to repair section of rail, that might not even be near the bridge, then destroy that.

    Similar with roads, especially if your prime objective is to stop heavy loads.

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Fri Apr 22, 2022 1:08 am

    ucmvulcan wrote:

    They need to be calibrated.  Not one road or railroad junction or bridge east of Lvov needs to be intact

    If Russia wants to have power over this parts of former Ukraine then destroying everything is not really a good idea. Same with bombardment of airports and railway tracks .
    Airports can be rebuild fairly quickly, same with rail  tracks. Bombing trains loaded with military equipment or concentration of manpower / depots makes more sense.






    JohninMK wrote:Here we go with a very different view on the Moskna. This is from a poster on MoA.


    In repelling a missile strike, the S-300F Fort and Osa-M air defense systems worked perfectly. Only 3 Neptune anti-ship missiles were able to break through directly to the ship, and the commander faced a difficult choice. Apply the PK-2, PK-10, which would cover Moscow with a cloud of chaff, but then the missiles would be aimed at neutral merchant ships.


    Sorry this is 100% fault of captain if that's true. WTF there is a war. If there were merchant ships (form NATO especially) then should not be Russian problem. Why all those people died? and ship destroyed?!

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    Post  Isos Fri Apr 22, 2022 1:15 am

    Osa were not deployed on the pictures. I hardly doubt this story. And ukraine has no air launched kh-35.

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    Post  Stealthflanker Fri Apr 22, 2022 1:20 am

    JohninMK wrote:

    At the ship, as is already customary in Ukraine, they fired at everything that was ready to shoot at a surface target. According to confirmed information, the MRAU was inflicted by Kh-35 missiles from Su-24 tactical bombers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the RK-360MTs Neptune coastal missile system. The target designation was given by the NATO Global Hawk unmanned reconnaissance aircraft, the Bayraktar TB-2 UAVs delivered a distracting strike.

    The ship has been closely monitored for the last few days, concentrated forces, worked out all the possibilities for a strike. As a result, on the night of April 13-14, 22 aviation and coastal anti-ship missiles were launched at the cruiser Moskva. The launching positions of the coastal complexes were located along the coast from Chernomorsk to Ochakov, a link of bombers entered from the Crimea.

    During the anti-missile battle, the crew of the cruiser managed to repel the missile strike, destroying 20 of the 22 attacking missiles, 2 Bayraktar TB-2 UAVs and 1 Su-24.

    In repelling a missile strike, the S-300F Fort and Osa-M air defense systems worked perfectly. Only 3 Neptune anti-ship missiles were able to break through directly to the ship, and the commander faced a difficult choice. Apply the PK-2, PK-10, which would cover Moscow with a cloud of chaff, but then the missiles would be aimed at neutral merchant ships.

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    This i will take with grain of salt tho. like

    1. Did Ukraine ever have Kh-35 in the first place ? They do make R-95 engine but they so far never operates any. Let alone making it compatible with Su-24's. and if their Su-24 are compatible with Kh-35, they can make more standoff engagement against Black Sea Fleet and even beyond the range of the S-300F's. Unless Moskva can use 48N6's which seems unlikely considering that she didnt receive her modernization.

    2. The Moskva's 3R41 Orekh radar appears to still within its default position, and no sign of naval OSA launchers popped out of their cylindrical mountings. Did they rotated it back to original position ?

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