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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Fri Apr 22, 2022 6:23 am

    JohninMK wrote:Here we go with a very different view on the Moskna. This is from a poster on MoA.

    From an unknown Russian source (translated):

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    The cruiser Moscow died in an unequal battle. His crew showed true heroism.

    On the night of April 14, a massive missile and air strike (MRAU) was inflicted on the cruiser Moskva by the forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. The attack was planned and coordinated by NATO specialists based in Odessa. The place and time of the attack on Moscow was chosen on purpose, when there were neutral merchant ships in the area near the cruiser, which did not allow the commander of Moscow to use the entire range of weapons to repel the attack.

    At the ship, as is already customary in Ukraine, they fired at everything that was ready to shoot at a surface target. According to confirmed information, the MRAU was inflicted by Kh-35 missiles from Su-24 tactical bombers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the RK-360MTs Neptune coastal missile system. The target designation was given by the NATO Global Hawk unmanned reconnaissance aircraft, the Bayraktar TB-2 UAVs delivered a distracting strike.

    The ship has been closely monitored for the last few days, concentrated forces, worked out all the possibilities for a strike. As a result, on the night of April 13-14, 22 aviation and coastal anti-ship missiles were launched at the cruiser Moskva. The launching positions of the coastal complexes were located along the coast from Chernomorsk to Ochakov, a link of bombers entered from the Crimea.

    During the anti-missile battle, the crew of the cruiser managed to repel the missile strike, destroying 20 of the 22 attacking missiles, 2 Bayraktar TB-2 UAVs and 1 Su-24.

    In repelling a missile strike, the S-300F Fort and Osa-M air defense systems worked perfectly. Only 3 Neptune anti-ship missiles were able to break through directly to the ship, and the commander faced a difficult choice. Apply the PK-2, PK-10, which would cover Moscow with a cloud of chaff, but then the missiles would be aimed at neutral merchant ships.

    Moscow did not hide and met the missiles with artillery fire. 1 missile was shot down, 2 hit the cruiser on the left side, a massive fire began, which led to a partial detonation of artillery ammunition and a violation of the hull's tightness. The cruiser began to sink, but was able to independently reach the coast of Crimea. After exhausting all means of fighting for the survivability of the cruiser, the commander ordered the crew to leave the ship.

    During the battle and the struggle for damage, the crew, as befits the crew of a flagship, acted in a coordinated manner, showing heroism and courage in an unequal battle.

    Why the details of this night are being hidden from us is not clear.

    NATO analysts are still in shock from how one of the oldest ships of the Black Sea Fleet showed itself in a missile battle. We have all seen the Pentagon's statements that the ship, after the battle, independently retreated to the coast of Crimea. Moscow single-handedly repelled an attack that, according to NATO standards, can only be successfully repulsed by a tactical group of ships.

    It makes no sense to shield Zelensky and his American friends.

    The ship died heroically in battle, each member of the crew is a hero.

    Why the official representatives of the Ministry of Defense do not tell the real story of the last battle of "Moscow", but prefer to remain silent - is incomprehensible.

    Posted by: Victor | Apr 19 2022 14:11 utc | 351


    Unknown source = fables, so that the naive continue writing on the networks

    Laughing

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    Post  Big_Gazza Fri Apr 22, 2022 6:42 am

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    mnztr wrote:Anyone notice Medvedevs  political rehabilitation? He has been on TV a lot .

    People keep forgetting that he was the president when Russia stomped Georgia and it took Putin coming back from Beiling to get him to cool off and not roll into Tbilsi

    Dmitry is crazy


    Maybe, but it was Medvedev who allowed himself to be conned by the West over Libya and fooled into not vetoing the "no fly zone" which was subsequently used as a fig leaf for the regime change operation. Putin warned Medvedev not to acquiesce to Western plans, but was ignored.

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    Post  Big_Gazza Fri Apr 22, 2022 6:51 am

    JohninMK wrote:Why the official representatives of the Ministry of Defense do not tell the real story of the last battle of "Moscow", but prefer to remain silent - is incomprehensible.

    Posted by: Victor | Apr 19 2022 14:11 utc | 351

    If this indeed true (very unlikely IMHO but who can really say?) then we will hear the truth after this conflict is done.  If NATO assisted their fellow-traveller Nazis in this way, it is best that Russia inscribes this action into the Great Book of Grudges.  The best vengeance against these NATO bastards is to WIN.  Nothing will suffice short of a complete military and economic victory over the Zelensky regime and a complete and total humiliating failure of NATO plots regarding their Banderastani terror operatives. Twisted Evil

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    Post  kvs Fri Apr 22, 2022 6:56 am

    The Chechens fighting in the Donbass are finding Ukr translations of ISIS training manuals almost everywhere they clear out the Azovites
    and similar. One of the techniques in these manuals is to train young children to be future terrorists and the corresponding picture books
    which are training manuals are being found everywhere also.

    The previous 8 years have allowed NATzO to train and organize a non-trivial force to fight against Russia. If Russia would not have
    intervened the Donbass would have been ethnically cleansed sooner rather than later.

    A key enabler of such terrorist tactics is the NATzO mass media.

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    Post  Regular Fri Apr 22, 2022 7:00 am

    Training kids to fight is self-destruction.
    What happened to civilians with Molotov cocktails? Stories about civilian resistance went quiet pretty soon.

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    Post  Stealthflanker Fri Apr 22, 2022 7:06 am

    Regular wrote:Training kids to fight is self-destruction.
    What happened to civilians with Molotov cocktails? Stories about civilian resistance went quiet pretty soon.

    those who tried probably never return with the stories.

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    Post  mnztr Fri Apr 22, 2022 7:43 am

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
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    They need to be calibrated.  Not one road or railroad junction or bridge east of Lvov needs to be intact

    If Russia wants to have power over this parts of former Ukraine then destroying everything is not really a good idea. Same with bombardment of airports and railway tracks .
    Airports can be rebuild fairly quickly, same with rail  tracks. Bombing trains loaded with military equipment or concentration of manpower / depots makes more sense.






    JohninMK wrote:Here we go with a very different view on the Moskna. This is from a poster on MoA.


    In repelling a missile strike, the S-300F Fort and Osa-M air defense systems worked perfectly. Only 3 Neptune anti-ship missiles were able to break through directly to the ship, and the commander faced a difficult choice. Apply the PK-2, PK-10, which would cover Moscow with a cloud of chaff, but then the missiles would be aimed at neutral merchant ships.


    Sorry this is 100% fault of captain if that's true. WTF there is a war. If there were merchant ships (form NATO especially) then should not be Russian problem. Why all those people died?  and ship destroyed?!

    I agree, his job is to save his ship. If Ukraine missiles hit neutral ships its not his problem. The value of a warship is vastly higher then some barge. However, mass attack by AshM is very difficult to defend against.

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    Post  billybatts91 Fri Apr 22, 2022 7:59 am

    Soooo........when is this 2nd phase starting?
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    Post  Regular Fri Apr 22, 2022 8:43 am

    billybatts91 wrote:Soooo........when is this 2nd phase starting?

    Who knows, preparations are still ongoing.

    When the time is right.

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    Post  billybatts91 Fri Apr 22, 2022 9:04 am

    Regular wrote:
    billybatts91 wrote:Soooo........when is this 2nd phase starting?

    Who knows, preparations are still ongoing.

    When the time is right.

    Hopefully soon.
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    Post  PapaDragon Fri Apr 22, 2022 9:46 am

    JohninMK wrote:Here we go with a very different view on the Moskna. This is from a poster on MoA.

    From an unknown Russian source (translated):

    The cruiser Moscow died in an unequal battle. His crew showed true heroism.

    Looks like complete hogwash to me but for entertainment purposes let's assume it's not

    We have a guy asking:

    Why the official representatives of the Ministry of Defense do not tell the real story of the last battle of "Moscow", but prefer to remain silent - is incomprehensible.

    Maybe because of the following:

    According to confirmed information, the MRAU was inflicted by Kh-35 missiles from Su-24 tactical bombers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the RK-360MTs Neptune coastal missile system. The target designation was given by the NATO Global Hawk unmanned reconnaissance aircraft, the Bayraktar TB-2 UAVs delivered a distracting strike....

    Questions are:

    Why weren't Kh-35 launchers destroyed?

    Why weren't Su-24s shot down upon take off?

    Why weren't TB-2s shot down upon detection?

    Why weren't Global Hawks jammed?



    Only 3 Neptune anti-ship missiles were able to break through directly to the ship, and the commander faced a difficult choice. Apply the PK-2, PK-10, which would cover Moscow with a cloud of chaff, but then the missiles would be aimed at neutral merchant ships....

    This is incompetence on treasonous level

    This captain wasn't running humanitarian mission, he wasn't operating S&R vessel, he wasn't in the Coast Guard, he was in command of a warship during wartime and it was his duty to protect the ship and men serving on it

    If it really is truth that he got his ship sunk and his sailors killed over some irelevant idiots who shouldn't have even been there then he should be court martialed for incompetence, treason and multiple counts of murder



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    Post  PapaDragon Fri Apr 22, 2022 9:50 am

    Regular wrote:Training kids to fight is self-destruction.
    What happened to civilians with Molotov cocktails? Stories about civilian resistance went quiet pretty soon.

    They have the names of Nazis which means that tracking down their kids shouldn't be a problem

    Proactive approach to solving this problem is the best one, strangle this issue while it's still in the crib

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    Post  flamming_python Fri Apr 22, 2022 9:54 am

    Eugenio Argentina wrote:Unknown source = fables, so that the naive continue writing on the networks

    Laughing

    There is some serious cope around the Moskva

    It ****'d up and was defeated. The whole Black Sea Fleet was. Get over it

    Can't dwell on lost battles, there are plenty up and coming yet. Save the best-selling uplifting war novellas till later.

    Now the battle of economic sabotage has started on Russian territory, aided and abated by the entirety of NATO; after the sanctions war boomeranged back on them.
    This is where other Russian state organs will have the opportunity to hopefully prove their competency. FSB, Rogsvardia, MVD, EMERCOM, Ministry of Industry/Trade - you're up, give them hell fellas.
    FSB - find these cells and bust them. Rosgvardia - protect those key facilities and enterprises. MVD - maintain public order and conduct patrols, detain anyone suspicious. EMERCOM - put out any fires promptly and save survivors. Ministry of Industry/Trade - mobilize redundant capacities and reconstruct anything that's destroyed.

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    Post  ucmvulcan Fri Apr 22, 2022 10:21 am

    flamming_python wrote:
    Eugenio Argentina wrote:Unknown source = fables, so that the naive continue writing on the networks

    Laughing

    There is some serious cope around the Moskva

    It ****'d up and was defeated. The whole Black Sea Fleet was. Get over it

    Can't dwell on lost battles, there are plenty up and coming yet. Save the best-selling uplifting war novellas till later.

    Now the battle of economic sabotage has started on Russian territory, aided and abated by the entirety of NATO; after the sanctions war boomeranged back on them.
    This is where other Russian state organs will have the opportunity to hopefully prove their competency. FSB, Rogsvardia, MVD, EMERCOM, Ministry of Industry/Trade - you're up, give them hell fellas.
    FSB - find these cells and bust them. Rosgvardia - protect those key facilities and enterprises. MVD - maintain public order and conduct patrols, detain anyone suspicious. EMERCOM - put out any fires promptly and save survivors. Ministry of Industry/Trade - mobilize redundant capacities and reconstruct anything that's destroyed.

    Per western media reports, and take that with a mine full of salt, Putin sacked 150 some odd intel agents. Could some of these attacks on Russian industry be retaliation by disgruntled ex intel operatives? Still I agree, now is the time for the state security apparatuses to swing into full gear.

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    Post  Regular Fri Apr 22, 2022 10:26 am

    PapaDragon wrote:

    They have the names of Nazis which means that tracking down their kids shouldn't be a problem

    Proactive approach to solving this problem is the best one, strangle this issue while it's still in the crib


    Don't tell me NATO and Albanian propaganda was right about you Serbs Very Happy

    I think Nazi kids should be just taken away from their parents and rehomed, helped to start a new life if older. As they do with terrorist kids in Chechnya/Dagestan. Nothing new on this earth for Russia.

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    Post  sepheronx Fri Apr 22, 2022 10:53 am

    ucmvulcan wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:
    Eugenio Argentina wrote:Unknown source = fables, so that the naive continue writing on the networks

    Laughing

    There is some serious cope around the Moskva

    It ****'d up and was defeated. The whole Black Sea Fleet was. Get over it

    Can't dwell on lost battles, there are plenty up and coming yet. Save the best-selling uplifting war novellas till later.

    Now the battle of economic sabotage has started on Russian territory, aided and abated by the entirety of NATO; after the sanctions war boomeranged back on them.
    This is where other Russian state organs will have the opportunity to hopefully prove their competency. FSB, Rogsvardia, MVD, EMERCOM, Ministry of Industry/Trade - you're up, give them hell fellas.
    FSB - find these cells and bust them. Rosgvardia - protect those key facilities and enterprises. MVD - maintain public order and conduct patrols, detain anyone suspicious. EMERCOM - put out any fires promptly and save survivors. Ministry of Industry/Trade - mobilize redundant capacities and reconstruct anything that's destroyed.

    Per western media reports, and take that with a mine full of salt, Putin sacked 150 some odd intel agents.  Could some of these attacks on Russian industry be retaliation by disgruntled ex intel operatives? Still I agree, now is the time for the state security apparatuses to swing into full gear.

    Coincidences do happen, they arent out of the realm of probability. But like how the Russian authorities have stamped out dozens if not hundreds of terrorist cells within the country per year and foil espionage acts yearly, they will get to the bottom of this. They may have to start introducing a new system of fire fighting equipment into all buildings as a method to fight any potential sabotage in form of arson. Something like a dual fire protection system where one is controlled by a third party company that may be under control of the FSB for example.

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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Fri Apr 22, 2022 12:25 pm

    Isos wrote:Ukrainians doing ukrainian stuff.


    So these things could be more than just hearsay, then...

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    Post  ALAMO Fri Apr 22, 2022 12:51 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Here we go with a very different view on the Moskna. This is from a poster on MoA.

    From an unknown Russian source (translated):

    <>

    The cruiser Moscow died in an unequal battle. His crew showed true heroism.

    On the night of April 14, a massive missile and air strike (MRAU) was inflicted on the cruiser Moskva by the forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. The attack was planned and coordinated by NATO specialists based in Odessa. The place and time of the attack on Moscow was chosen on purpose, when there were neutral merchant ships in the area near the cruiser, which did not allow the commander of Moscow to use the entire range of weapons to repel the attack.

    At the ship, as is already customary in Ukraine, they fired at everything that was ready to shoot at a surface target. According to confirmed information, the MRAU was inflicted by Kh-35 missiles from Su-24 tactical bombers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the RK-360MTs Neptune coastal missile system. The target designation was given by the NATO Global Hawk unmanned reconnaissance aircraft, the Bayraktar TB-2 UAVs delivered a distracting strike.

    The ship has been closely monitored for the last few days, concentrated forces, worked out all the possibilities for a strike. As a result, on the night of April 13-14, 22 aviation and coastal anti-ship missiles were launched at the cruiser Moskva. The launching positions of the coastal complexes were located along the coast from Chernomorsk to Ochakov, a link of bombers entered from the Crimea.

    During the anti-missile battle, the crew of the cruiser managed to repel the missile strike, destroying 20 of the 22 attacking missiles, 2 Bayraktar TB-2 UAVs and 1 Su-24.

    In repelling a missile strike, the S-300F Fort and Osa-M air defense systems worked perfectly. Only 3 Neptune anti-ship missiles were able to break through directly to the ship, and the commander faced a difficult choice. Apply the PK-2, PK-10, which would cover Moscow with a cloud of chaff, but then the missiles would be aimed at neutral merchant ships.

    Moscow did not hide and met the missiles with artillery fire. 1 missile was shot down, 2 hit the cruiser on the left side, a massive fire began, which led to a partial detonation of artillery ammunition and a violation of the hull's tightness. The cruiser began to sink, but was able to independently reach the coast of Crimea. After exhausting all means of fighting for the survivability of the cruiser, the commander ordered the crew to leave the ship.

    During the battle and the struggle for damage, the crew, as befits the crew of a flagship, acted in a coordinated manner, showing heroism and courage in an unequal battle.

    Why the details of this night are being hidden from us is not clear.

    NATO analysts are still in shock from how one of the oldest ships of the Black Sea Fleet showed itself in a missile battle. We have all seen the Pentagon's statements that the ship, after the battle, independently retreated to the coast of Crimea. Moscow single-handedly repelled an attack that, according to NATO standards, can only be successfully repulsed by a tactical group of ships.

    It makes no sense to shield Zelensky and his American friends.

    The ship died heroically in battle, each member of the crew is a hero.

    Why the official representatives of the Ministry of Defense do not tell the real story of the last battle of "Moscow", but prefer to remain silent - is incomprehensible.

    Posted by: Victor | Apr 19 2022 14:11 utc | 351

    Oh yes, and the Martians were involved either, shooting plasma balls falling down from the open space.
    Always wonder what drives those stupid people to make such mythomaniac shit.
    Su-24 of Ukr firing Chc-35, yeah?

    sepheronx wrote:
    Coincidences do happen, they arent out of the realm of probability.  But like how the Russian authorities have stamped out dozens if not hundreds of terrorist cells within the country per year and foil espionage acts yearly, they will get to the bottom of this.  They may have to start introducing a new system of fire fighting equipment into all buildings as a method to fight any potential sabotage in form of arson.  Something like a dual fire protection system where one is controlled by a third party company that may be under control of the FSB for example.

    You need to get used to this if you still haven't.
    ISIS/Arab style at its best.
    There will be no traffic accident in Russia not claimed as mighty Ukrainian saboteurs inflicted. No fire will break without the knowledge of the SBU, and no gas explosion will be possible without an Ukrainian strict plan designed by NATO.
    On the meantime, we will be able to watch the materials of security forces destroying real terrorist net, killing/detaining the, just like they did with the guys targeting Belarussian railway two weeks ago. Or today's info about a whole SBU chain dissolved in Cherson.

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    And that would perfectly add to the testimonies of POWs, who state openly that they got a 50 y/o AKM and 4 magazines. Best case scenario an RPG with one round for it.
    Voices from the US that they have no idea where the weapon they provide is, is just another hint.
    They have already started to lought on that, asking if supplying arms to the republican/Russian armies is not a direct violation of some embargo or something Laughing
    This weapon is being destroyed in waste percentage, and what is left being stolen. Deliveries to the front line is a thin black line, that won't change anything in reality. Plus half of that is already in non usable condition.
    It is a show.
    A way to clean the warehouses and to secure some fat, tasty new orders for the MIC.

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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Fri Apr 22, 2022 1:52 pm

    Just a sample of what the UA fortifications in the Donbass look like:
    https://m.tvzvezda.ru/news/2022422844-GZTaT.html

    Trenches, tunnels, hardened concrete bunkers, pillboxes etc.



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    Post  mnztr Fri Apr 22, 2022 1:52 pm

    ucmvulcan wrote:Moscow would be incredibly stupid to let Ukraine have a truce for Easter.

    They should offer to paint the bombs in festive colours before they deliver them as easter greetings

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    Post  mnztr Fri Apr 22, 2022 1:55 pm

    Dr.Snufflebug wrote:
    Isos wrote:Ukrainians doing ukrainian stuff.


    So these things could be more than just hearsay, then...

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    I will laugh so hard when the US base in syria gets hit by a bunch of switchblades

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    Post  Mir Fri Apr 22, 2022 2:13 pm

    What happened to Mike - he has gone very quiet?
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    Post  Hinex1988 Fri Apr 22, 2022 2:34 pm

    🇷🇺🇺🇦Briefing by Russian Defence Ministry

    ▫The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation continue the special military operation in Ukraine.

    💥Kalibr high-precision long-range missiles destroyed up to a battalion of enemy personnel with weapons and military equipment near Miliorativnoe railway station.

    💥High-precision air-based missiles of the Russian Aerospace Forces hit 3 military assets of Ukraine.

    ▫1 Ukrainian S-300 anti-aircraft missile system was destroyed near Novoselka.

    ▫1 command post and 1 area of Ukrainian manpower and military equipment concentration near Aleksandrovka was hit. Up to 80 nationalists, as well as more than 23 armoured vehicles and cars, were destroyed.

    ▫1 Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicle was shot down by high-precision air-to-air missile.

    ✈💥Operational-tactical aviation of the Russian Aerospace Forces hit 58 military assets of Ukraine. Among them: 4 command posts, 3 fuel depots, and 51 areas of Ukrainian manpower and military equipment concentration.

    💥Missile troops and artillery carried out 1,285 firing missions during the night. Destroyed: 9 fuel depots, 37 command posts. 1,221 strong points, areas of enemy's manpower and military equipment.

    💥Russian air defence means destroyed 7 Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles near Staromaiorskoe, Yasinovataya, Staromikhailovka and Kalinovka in the Donetsk People's Republic, as well as near Aleksandrovka and Tokarevo in Kherson region.

    ▫In addition, Buk-M3 anti-aircraft missile system crew shot down 1 Ukrainian Tochka-U tactical missile near Donetskoe.

    📊In total, 140 aircraft and 106 helicopters, 520 unmanned aerial vehicles, 257 anti-aircraft missile systems, 2,448 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 271 multiple launch rocket systems, 1,062 field artillery and mortars, as well as 2,289 units of special military vehicles of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were destroyed during the operation.

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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Fri Apr 22, 2022 2:35 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Mmmmm



    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/large-deadly-fire-breaks-out-russian-defense-research-facility

    Judging by the photos from the site, it was this building that caught fire (red marker):
    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #13 - Page 16 MmEFAOn

    A small (<800sqm) warehouse/garage on the plant grounds, not the factory itself. The fire started after an accidental acetone spill, as they were loading a truck, according to workers.

    Calm down with the UA sabotage team stuff already. Seriously, a garage in Kineshma.

    Edit: Nah, it was the square warehouse just south of it.
    https://kineshemec.ru/news/proisshestvija-kriminal/v-kineshme-gorit-krupnejshij-khimicheskij-zavod-dkhz-36373.html

    Matches the 800sqm description better than that other building too. You can see that the building is in view from the entrance, but the Google Street view footage doesn't feature the square warehouse, I guess it was erected later. Hence my initial mistake.

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    Post  Hannibal Barca Fri Apr 22, 2022 2:58 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    mnztr wrote:Anyone notice Medvedevs  political rehabilitation? He has been on TV a lot .

    People keep forgetting that he was the president when Russia stomped Georgia and it took Putin coming back from Beiling to get him to cool off and not roll into Tbilsi

    Dmitry is crazy


    Exactly. People don't understand that Medvedev is more hard liner than Putin and probably more effective leader overall. There is an overfixation with Putin but truth is, although Putin succeeded in low hanging fruits and although he is a very decent character, never exceeded expectations.

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