Russian special military operation in Ukraine #11

Dr.Snufflebug wrote:Which Il-76? Ukrainian officials claimed two on the second day of all-out conflict, but no proof was ever given and it's been one and a half months now, yet to be confirmed.

Rumors on the Ruweb says Moskva is afloat and under tow. If true, then some Sevastopoltsy will probably upload photos once she enters port.

Serberus wrote:From РИА Новости
Ministry of Defense of Russia:
The source of fire on the cruiser "Moskva" is localized. There is no open fire. Explosions of ammunition have been stopped.
Cruiser "Moskva" keeps buoyancy. The main missile armament was not damaged.
The crew was evacuated to the ships of the Black Sea Fleet in the area.
Measures are being taken to tow the cruiser to the port.
The cause of the fire is under investigation.

ALAMO wrote:

kvs wrote:It took them this long to fire off Neptune missiles?   Does not make sense.   The MOD story is more likely and it was
a detonation of munitions on the ship.   Maybe there was a sabotage unit that managed to get onboard the ship.

It seems (Z)elensky is getting cocky with the showering of trash from his owners.   Watch for NATzO to start bleating
about negotiations soon.

They have faced a 3 week long presence of tasty targets like landing ships full of marines, and lacking serious AD - and did not consider them as missile worthy.
But now they decided to strike at armed to the teeth cruiser, having few weapon systems capable to intercept the salvo.
Yeah, sounds legitimate!
I buy it!

sepheronx wrote:

Podlodka77 wrote:There is only one fast solution in terms of large surface ships for Russia and that is to forget about pride and to order Chinese Type 052D destroyers.

The Chinese Destroyer isn't bad but the Gorshkov is actually armed better with better systems.

But, I would say it could be in Russia's interest to work with China in localizing production of the Type 052D in Russia at a specific or two shipyards using Russian electronics/radar/comms, missiles and ad weapons.  This could give a good boost to both parties.  Russia isn't known for selling their ships overseas anyways (their subs are top sellers) so its not like it will be some kind of problem for Russia to do that.

It does not work like that bud.
A ship is designed and built to carry specified systems, and any change is a redesigning it in reality.
There would be perfectly zero pros to localize T052 for Russian shipyard, and lots of cons.
The momentum and price advantage exist because the Chinese ar rebuilding them in numbers, and with an accepted and optimized project.
Now if you will place let's say a 4 pcs series, and redesign it to carry all the weapon&sensor suite of the Russian origin - you are killing all the economy. That would need adopting the production process, checking if that works, making intense testing etc.
Best solution for VMF is to pump up 22350, because it is already a proven and mastered project. Extending the hull, increasing the cell number, adding storage space for food, fuel and crew accommodation - and you have a perfect destroyer made with the technology you know.
Hey, isn't that what they are doing?

Podlodka77 wrote:Look at him, AMERICUNT is here !
Don't worry, there is time for USS Nimitz ... Who laughs last, laughs sweetest ..

Serberus wrote:From РИА Новости
Ministry of Defense of Russia:
The source of fire on the cruiser "Moskva" is localized. There is no open fire. Explosions of ammunition have been stopped.
Cruiser "Moskva" keeps buoyancy. The main missile armament was not damaged.
The crew was evacuated to the ships of the Black Sea Fleet in the area.
Measures are being taken to tow the cruiser to the port.
The cause of the fire is under investigation.


Hopefully our more emotional friends of the forum will have a better day today
Even if Nazis managed to be the cause of the damage it appears it will be sailing again , hopefully soon
Also no reports of casualties amongst the crew which is most welcome news

Dr.Snufflebug wrote:Well, if the MoD says so, I guess it's official.

And if the "main missile armament" is undamaged, one can't help but to wonder what exactly was on fire, and why.

Did an anti-air VLS cell malfunction at launch?

theory: And then the resulting explosions/fire was reported by NATO surveillance as "looking real bad", and then, full of hope for an imminent total loss, UA went all-in with the propaganda?

caveat emptor wrote:

d_taddei2 wrote:It's natural to get sad or angry at such news regardless what was the cause, but this will be over shadowed when 60k Ukrainian forces are Destroyed, captured or flee. And when the war is won you will quietly forget about this tragedy.

As someone already mentioned I find it strange that only now are Ukraine stating it's used Neptune yet it had other opportunities to use on Russian vessels and didn't I feel they used the accident to suddenly support the idea they used Neptune.

If however Neptune was used then it wasn't done without NATO help and Intelligence. And if so then I am sure Russia will be helping some Islamic terrorist target a NATO vessel in return.

If the vessel is lost, then as I previously stated Russia could if It wanted take Ukraines Slava class the ukraina haul back to Russia overhaul and put back into service. Russia in the pasted wanted the vessel to do such now they get it for free.

This won't effect Donbass cauldron and the battle there will commence.

Ukrainian Slava is in really bad shape. I don't think it can be used for anything.

RTN wrote:

Podlodka77 wrote:Look at him, AMERICUNT is here !
Don't worry, there is time for USS Nimitz ... Who laughs last, laughs sweetest ..

Half of your fellow faggots have abandoned ship, remaining half lying at the bottom of the sea, but Nimitz is in danger.

Serberus wrote:Looks like Nazis have struck the territory of Russia again this time around Klimovo
There may be civilian casualties
https://t.me/boris_rozhin/42281

Lets hope Russia retaliates in the way they said they would.

RTN wrote:

Podlodka77 wrote:Look at him, AMERICUNT is here !
Don't worry, there is time for USS Nimitz ... Who laughs last, laughs sweetest ..

Half of your fellow faggots have abandoned ship, remaining half lying at the bottom of the sea, but Nimitz is in danger.

Serberus wrote:One for you Podlodka
I spotted a Serbian volunteer amongst the Donbas troops , may not be visible on here as the image hosting quality is reduced but he is wearing a patch and a Serbian style prayer bead.

Azi wrote:

Serberus wrote:From РИА Новости
Ministry of Defense of Russia:
The source of fire on the cruiser "Moskva" is localized. There is no open fire. Explosions of ammunition have been stopped.
Cruiser "Moskva" keeps buoyancy. The main missile armament was not damaged.
The crew was evacuated to the ships of the Black Sea Fleet in the area.
Measures are being taken to tow the cruiser to the port.
The cause of the fire is under investigation.

Thank God! At first I thought it was a PR disaster for Russia but now it's a PR disaster for Ukraine. They have already said that the Moskva is at the bottom of the Black Sea.

The Moskva will return to service, we don't know when, but I'm sure repairs will be made as soon as humanly possible.