Russian special military operation in Ukraine #11

Regular wrote:

zorobabel wrote:I have no idea what Russia is doing at this point.

Pulling forces before the offensive in the east?

Or I am missing something?

Podlodka77 wrote:There is only one fast solution in terms of large surface ships for Russia and that is to forget about pride and to order Chinese Type 052D destroyers.

kvs wrote:It took them this long to fire off Neptune missiles?   Does not make sense.   The MOD story is more likely and it was
a detonation of munitions on the ship.   Maybe there was a sabotage unit that managed to get onboard the ship.

It seems (Z)elensky is getting cocky with the showering of trash from his owners.   Watch for NATzO to start bleating
about negotiations soon.

sepheronx wrote:

Podlodka77 wrote:There is only one fast solution in terms of large surface ships for Russia and that is to forget about pride and to order Chinese Type 052D destroyers.

The Chinese Destroyer isn't bad but the Gorshkov is actually armed better with better systems.

But, I would say it could be in Russia's interest to work with China in localizing production of the Type 052D in Russia at a specific or two shipyards using Russian electronics/radar/comms, missiles and ad weapons.  This could give a good boost to both parties.  Russia isn't known for selling their ships overseas anyways (their subs are top sellers) so its not like it will be some kind of problem for Russia to do that.

ALAMO wrote:

kvs wrote:It took them this long to fire off Neptune missiles?   Does not make sense.   The MOD story is more likely and it was
a detonation of munitions on the ship.   Maybe there was a sabotage unit that managed to get onboard the ship.

It seems (Z)elensky is getting cocky with the showering of trash from his owners.   Watch for NATzO to start bleating
about negotiations soon.

They have faced a 3 week long presence of tasty targets like landing ships full of marines, and lacking serious AD - and did not consider them as missile worthy.
But now they decided to strike at armed to the teeth cruiser, having few weapon systems capable to intercept the salvo.
Yeah, sounds legitimate!
I buy it!

limb wrote:

Serberus wrote:

limb wrote:Wasn't the Moskva claim confirmed fake?

The Russian MoD apparently stated there was a fire on board which caused substantial damage where the crew had to be evacuated. According to the them cause of fire is being investigated.

On the other hand, the Nazi regime in Kiev is claiming that it was their missile attack that caused the damage and ship was sunk.

So it appears that it was  damaged, how serious and what caused it is yet to be confirmed.
That’s pretty much it for the moment.

I refuse to believe that it was sunk. It has osas, ak-630, multiple radars all optimized for subsonic sea skimming missiles.  Its most likely damaged.