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    Post  Mir Wed Apr 13, 2022 8:31 am

    littlerabbit wrote:
    Podlodka77 wrote:I apologize for deviating from the topic again, but I have new news from Serbia, which I do not like. The two most respected newspaper editions in Serbia (Политика and Вечерње Новости) announced today that Serbia is interested in buying 12 used Eurofighter planes from Great Britain.



    Vucic is out of his mind.   No No

    BAE is probably offering some good lunch money as part of the deal.
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    Post  lyle6 Wed Apr 13, 2022 8:50 am

    PhSt wrote:
    Jokes on you guys but chicks dig this shit. The Russian Army would have to send scuba divers to secure Lvov lake (formerly Lvov city).

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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Wed Apr 13, 2022 9:15 am

    Dr.Snufflebug wrote:People say up to 1000 (!) UA marines just surrendered in Mariupol, adding to the 500 or so that have surrendered over the past week.

    That basically means no AFU regulars are left, only Azov and the foreigners, if true.

    RU MoD says that 1026 soldiers from the Ukrainian 36th marine infantry brigade laid down their arms and surrendered yesterday.

    So that's official.

    Many say an additional 500ish were killed during a futile breakout attempt earlier.

    What a blow.

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    Post  ALAMO Wed Apr 13, 2022 9:38 am

    Dr.Snufflebug wrote:You just can't make it up. I wonder where she's at now, by the way?

    She was posing under some bridge, in uniform&armed a few days ago, with some shooting in the background.
    She is there, ready to pop up any moment, don't worry Laughing

    Most of the things they produce are so hard to believe, that one would consider that as primitive Moscovit propaganda ...
    If not the fact, that they aired that crap all by themselves.
    All the Bucha false flag, they destroyed it with their own materials.
    Kramatorsk is just the same story.
    Calling for the killing of whole families, kids, castrating POWs, killing the POWs, kidnapping family members of administrative personnel claimed to be "collaborators" ...
    That all would not be believed if just reported.
    Just hearing the comments of a guy who is saying that Ukrainian citizens are afraid of punitive actions the regime will unleash among their families - is unbelievable enough to consider a fake.
    But you have real stories of kidnapped people, disappearing family members, people forced to flee for safety ... And now this ...
    It is a rough regime on pair with some 3rd world in 80s. Idi Amin is the first coming in mind.

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    Post  flamming_python Wed Apr 13, 2022 10:26 am

    ALAMO wrote:
    Watched that yesterday.
    An army of radio operators, drivers and cooks Laughing
    Much like Nazi Germany army turned to be made of musicians Laughing but that was in 1945 only Laughing Laughing

    They were driving the cooks to the radio operator

    Same story I remember in the first war when they captured a bunch of fighters. They were all signalsmen, drivers, etc..

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    Post  ALAMO Wed Apr 13, 2022 10:30 am

    flamming_python wrote:
    They were driving the cooks to the radio operator
    Same story I remember in the first war when they captured a bunch of fighters. They were all signalsmen, drivers, etc..

    Maybe, they were driving them to the nursing homes, where their grandpas - musicians gave the performance, who might know!
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    Post  Podlodka77 Wed Apr 13, 2022 10:36 am

    MOSCOW, 13 April. /TASS/. The armed forces of the Russian Federation destroyed two large weapons depots of the Armed Forces of Ukraine with high-precision sea- and air-based missiles. Igor Konashenkov, official representative of the Russian Defense Ministry, told reporters about this on Wednesday.

    “During the night, high-precision sea and air-based missiles in the areas of the settlements of Sadovoe and Chudnov destroyed two large depots of missile and artillery weapons of the Ukrainian troops,” Konashenkov said.

    According to the official, four Ukrainian helicopters were also destroyed at the Mirgorod airfield. "Two Mi-24s and two Mi-8s," he added.

    In addition, Konashenkov added that over the past night, aircraft of the operational-tactical aviation of the Russian Aerospace Forces hit 46 military facilities of Ukraine. According to him, among them are two command posts and a radar station in the Borovoye area, two installations of multiple launch rocket systems, as well as four areas of concentration of Ukrainian military equipment in the Borovoe and Peski-Radkovsky areas. Russian air defense systems shot down two unmanned aerial vehicles in the air over the village of Afanasyevka.

    "In total, since the beginning of the special military operation, the following have been destroyed: 130 aircraft, 103 helicopters, 244 anti-aircraft missile systems, 447 unmanned aerial vehicles, 2,169 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 243 multiple rocket launchers, 931 field artillery pieces and a mortar, as well as 2,076 units of special military vehicles," Konashenkov said.

    https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/14362559

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    Post  Serberus Wed Apr 13, 2022 10:50 am

    Judging by the number of surrendered and kia troops in the last couple of days or so, and considering Azovstal plant is still under Azovite control, the figure presented by Basurin of around 2000 Wehrmacht fighters left a few days ago was an underestimate. This is a significant blow for them, once they are routed in the Donbas and Kharkov region, the illusion of winning will shatter quickly and their morale should go along with it.

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    Post  Firebird Wed Apr 13, 2022 10:55 am

    https://thesaker.is/sitrep-operation-z-8/

    A fair amount to be optimistic about in this report.

    Altho its truly shameful how NATO have actually declared war on the Russian World.

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    Post  ALAMO Wed Apr 13, 2022 10:56 am

    BBC breaks the line ...

    https://t.me/boris_rozhin/41919

    Not only do they openly admit, that Kramatorsk was hit by an Ukro Tochka-U, but adding that the missile is from the same series that others, hitting other civilian targets in Berdyansk and Melitopol...
    Oh my oh my oh my, is there something in the air??

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    Post  Stealthflanker Wed Apr 13, 2022 10:59 am

    It seems Norway considered to provide NASAMS and Kongsberg Anti ship missile to Ukraine. But dunno if they -sell- the thing or provide it as an aid. NASAMS will require US permission tho as it use Sidewinders and AMRAAM's.

    The concern with NASAMS tho that it can theoretically be used without Radar, it's of course a point defense SAM but with Solid 20 km coverage, and active radar homing it's entirely fire and forget but better performance than Manpads.

    I wonder if Russians will resort to more decoys to lure the launcher out and then smoke it with Kh-59's.

    While the Kongsberg ASM's will rely on low RCS and it's entirely passive imaging guidance to score hit. The ASM tho may need some form of Mid course update as imaging seeker may not have the range and field of view as radar seeker. Without mid course the missile may drift about 4.5 km and will have to search target "manually" Unlike radar, the imaging seeker may need closer distance to resolve and identify target.
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    Post  crod Wed Apr 13, 2022 11:10 am

    ALAMO wrote:BBC breaks the line ...

    https://t.me/boris_rozhin/41919

    Not only do they openly admit, that Kramatorsk was hit by an Ukro Tochka-U, but adding that the missile is from the same series that others, hitting other civilian targets in Berdyansk and Melitopol...
    Oh my oh my oh my, is there something in the air??

    Fake news, the last article from the BBC concerning this missile strike was 7hrs ago where the question of what type of munition was used not who fired it https://www.bbc.com/news/61079356

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    Post  Podlodka77 Wed Apr 13, 2022 11:13 am

    The crew of the cruiser "Marshal Ustinov" released a video in support of the Russian army

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    Post  Mir Wed Apr 13, 2022 11:17 am

    ALAMO wrote:BBC breaks the line ...

    https://t.me/boris_rozhin/41919

    Not only do they openly admit, that Kramatorsk was hit by an Ukro Tochka-U, but adding that the missile is from the same series that others, hitting other civilian targets in Berdyansk and Melitopol...
    Oh my oh my oh my, is there something in the air??

    Well you can only keep up the lies for so long.

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    Post  ALAMO Wed Apr 13, 2022 11:26 am

    crod wrote:
    Fake news, the last article from the BBC concerning this missile strike was 7hrs ago where the question of what type of munition was used not who fired it https://www.bbc.com/news/61079356

    They are citing some movie material here :

    https://t.me/intelslava/25089
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    Post  SolidarityWithRussia Wed Apr 13, 2022 11:27 am

    Considering the fact that for the US government "democracies" are only those countries that are in the US sphere of influence, it is interesting to hear that Blinken has recently stated a decline of democracy all around the world. According to RT DE Italians are starting to resist the Russophobic narrative of their media.

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    Post  ALAMO Wed Apr 13, 2022 11:33 am

    Maybe they still remember, who was there in Bergamo saving lives, while the other friends from the EU were busy registering (stealing) protective gear on transit ...

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    Post  andalusia Wed Apr 13, 2022 11:47 am

    Why is the Russian t 72B3 tank performing so poorly? It was thought that the Russian version was better than the export version for instance in 1991 Persian Gulf War.  Are these tanks simply outdated? Moreover, why is the Ukrainian T 64 doing better?

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2021/12/15/ukraines-tanks-could-be-better-than-russias-it-might-not-matter/?sh=5a360521571b


    Romesha explained that Russian T-72  tank like the ones seen crossing Ukraine’s borders, store their ammo inside and underneath the tank’s turret. So when an armor-piercing round like the Javelin ignites the stored ammo via its own warhead, the turret will go flying.

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    Post  Kiko Wed Apr 13, 2022 11:55 am

    Want to deal a decisive blow to the EU? Then disclose fast the frog participation in Ukraine in the form of Foreign Legion operatives trapped along with SAS and Delta in Mariupol. This will lead to "Manu"'s defeat on April 24th and the arrival of Le Pen to the French presidency. VVP is right now in the catbird's seat. Why is dear ole' Jens so quiet these last few days?

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    Post  Mir Wed Apr 13, 2022 11:57 am

    @ Andalusia

    So you recon that Forbes is a credible and objective source? Laughing

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    Post  0nillie0 Wed Apr 13, 2022 12:03 pm

    andalusia wrote:Why is the Russian t 72B3 tank performing so poorly? It was thought that the Russian version was better than the export version for instance in 1991 Persian Gulf War.  Are these tanks simply outdated? Moreover, why is the Ukrainian T 64 doing better?

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2021/12/15/ukraines-tanks-could-be-better-than-russias-it-might-not-matter/?sh=5a360521571b


    Romesha explained that Russian T-72  tank like the ones seen crossing Ukraine’s borders, store their ammo inside and underneath the tank’s turret. So when an armor-piercing round like the Javelin ignites the stored ammo via its own warhead, the turret will go flying.

    By what measure is it performing poorly exactly? The distance which the turret flies is further than that of the T-64's from Ukraine? This is not the olympics you know...

    Perhaps we are seeing less Ukrainian T-64 critical kills because there are simply not many left in the fight and there where much fewer to begin with. Additionally, they might not even be carrying ammo.

    I suggest you educate yourself more first.



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    Post  andalusia Wed Apr 13, 2022 12:14 pm

    0nillie0 wrote:
    andalusia wrote:Why is the Russian t 72B3 tank performing so poorly? It was thought that the Russian version was better than the export version for instance in 1991 Persian Gulf War.  Are these tanks simply outdated? Moreover, why is the Ukrainian T 64 doing better?

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2021/12/15/ukraines-tanks-could-be-better-than-russias-it-might-not-matter/?sh=5a360521571b


    Romesha explained that Russian T-72  tank like the ones seen crossing Ukraine’s borders, store their ammo inside and underneath the tank’s turret. So when an armor-piercing round like the Javelin ignites the stored ammo via its own warhead, the turret will go flying.

    By what measure is it performing poorly exactly? The distance which the turret flies is further than that of the T-64's from Ukraine? This is not the olympics you know...

    Perhaps we are seeing less Ukrainian T-64 critical kills because there are simply not many left in the fight and there where much fewer to begin with. Additionally, they might not even be carrying ammo.

    I suggest you educate yourself more first.




    I guess I am susceptible to US news media but the Javelin is having success does Russia have a fire and forget missile similar to the Javelin?
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    Post  flamming_python Wed Apr 13, 2022 12:21 pm

    andalusia wrote:Why is the Russian t 72B3 tank performing so poorly?

    Who says it's doing poorly? That's completely unfounded.

    It was thought that the Russian version was better than the export version for instance in 1991 Persian Gulf War.  Are these tanks simply outdated? Moreover, why is the Ukrainian T 64 doing better?

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2021/12/15/ukraines-tanks-could-be-better-than-russias-it-might-not-matter/?sh=5a360521571b

    Is the Ukrainian T-64B obr. 2017 a better tank than the T-72B3?

    Possibly. It's definitely a nice tank. But the article itself admits that it's hardly relevant if they haven't met in battle. So the article is essentially about nothing.

    In a situation where most Ukrainian tanks are being taken out by helicopter gunships, cruise missile strikes, Su-25s or artillery - it really doesn't much matter

    There was a small but publicized tank battle near Kharkov about 2-3 weeks ago. Company-level engagement. The Russians lost 1-2 tanks, the Ukrainians 6 tanks, and the Russians were outnumbered. Something like that.

    Romesha explained that Russian T-72  tank like the ones seen crossing Ukraine’s borders, store their ammo inside and underneath the tank’s turret. So when an armor-piercing round like the Javelin ignites the stored ammo via its own warhead, the turret will go flying.

    How many times has that happened?

    There are tons of Javelins in storage on both sides by now not even being used.
    I've seen one vid where it has been successfully employed

    Whereas for conventional ATGMs, the T-64 in fact has the more dangerous ammo storage carousel, with the propellants stored vertically hence increasing the chance that a frontal/side/back penetration will hit them.

    The N-LAW by the way got a good review from a Russian war correspondent. DNR fighters have been trialing it, it appears to be simple to learn, employ and doesn't require a team like the Javelin does. But it hasn't been used much either. At the end of the day it's still a short-range RPG and most engagements against tanks in this conflict are at greater ranges.
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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Wed Apr 13, 2022 12:29 pm

    andalusia wrote:Why is the Russian t 72B3 tank performing so poorly? It was thought that the Russian version was better than the export version for instance in 1991 Persian Gulf War.  Are these tanks simply outdated? Moreover, why is the Ukrainian T 64 doing better?

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2021/12/15/ukraines-tanks-could-be-better-than-russias-it-might-not-matter/?sh=5a360521571b


    Romesha explained that Russian T-72  tank like the ones seen crossing Ukraine’s borders, store their ammo inside and underneath the tank’s turret. So when an armor-piercing round like the Javelin ignites the stored ammo via its own warhead, the turret will go flying.

    They have been saying this for years.
    The old tale that everything Russian is bad.
    There is always some "naive" who believes it and makes us waste time, reading those inconsequential comments.

    Rolling Eyes

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    Post  Scorpius Wed Apr 13, 2022 12:35 pm

    andalusia wrote:Why is the Russian t 72B3 tank performing so poorly?
    Who said it works poorly?

    Romesha explained that Russian T-72  tank like the ones seen crossing Ukraine’s borders, store their ammo inside and underneath the tank’s turret. So when an armor-piercing round like the Javelin ignites the stored ammo via its own warhead, the turret will go flying.
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    Any tank with an explosion of full ammunition is destroyed. There is not much difference between them in this case.
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    Moreover, why is the Ukrainian T 64 doing better?
    Who said the T-64 works better?
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