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    Post  JohninMK 11/04/22, 02:49 am

    Without any doubt this is the best article on how we got to where we are in Ukraine that I have read. Written by a retired Swiss Intel Colonel who also worked for NATO and the UN.

    It is a long read, 30 minutes+. I would advise everyone to read it and share it as widely as possible.

    There are some gems in it like:-

    In 2014, when I was at NATO, I was responsible for the fight against the proliferation of small arms, and we were trying to detect Russian arms deliveries to the rebels, to see if Moscow was involved. The information we received then came almost entirely from Polish intelligence services and did not “fit” with the information coming from the OSCE—despite rather crude allegations, there were no deliveries of weapons and military equipment from Russia.

    In October 2015, Vasyl Hrytsak, director of the Ukrainian Security Service (SBU), confessed that only 56 Russian fighters had been observed in the Donbass. This was exactly comparable to the Swiss who went to fight in Bosnia on weekends, in the 1990s, or the French who go to fight in the Ukraine today.


    https://www.thepostil.com/the-military-situation-in-the-ukraine/

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    Post  mnztr 11/04/22, 02:55 am

    d_taddei2 wrote:Western media reporting that a new Russian commander for Ukraine operation is taking over.. obviously the west are portraying him as s brutal general who kills civilians.
    General Alexander Dvornikov. He served as commander in Syria back in the beginning. Western media as always twists things and blames him for railway attack. Which we all know was Ukraine



    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/general-alexander-dvornikov-russia-ukraine-b2055032.html?amp


    Yeah he is known as the "butcher of Syria" to the ISIS scum he martyred.

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    Post  JohninMK 11/04/22, 03:12 am

    Interesting if true, especially the last paragraph.

    https://t.me/opersvodki/3129

    Such information comes from sources:

    Under the Azovstal industrial zone, owned by oligarch Rinat Akhmetov, presumably the illegitimate son of former Ukrainian President Kuchma, there are 24 km of tunnels at a depth of up to 30 meters.

    There is also a secret NATO facility PIT-404 - and a secret NATO biological laboratory with biological weapons. At the PIT-404 facility, NATO officers are blocked. The tunnels are equipped with a bunker system with armor protection.

    There are about 240 foreigners inside, including officers of NATO and the French Foreign Legion, as well as biolab staff. Their security, funded by Akhmetov, has up to 3,000 people.

    The biolab under the Azovstal plant in Mariupol at the so-called PIT-404 facility was built and operated by Metabiota, a company associated with Hunter Biden, Rinat Akhmetov and Vladimir Zelensky.

    In the laboratories of this facility, tests were conducted to create bioweapons. Thousands of Mariupol residents have become "guinea pigs" in these terrible trials. And mostly Western "specialists" took part in these inhuman experiments.

    French intelligence and special operations officers were unable to take their colleagues out of Mariupol. That's why Macron called the Kremlin so often and asked for "humanitarian corridors."

    Some French intelligence officers died during the rescue operation. The head of French intelligence, Eric Vido, was dismissed on March 31, 2022 for the failures of French intelligence in the war in Ukraine.

    Officers from the USA, Canada, Germany, France, Italy, Turkey, Sweden, Poland and Greece are now blocked in the dungeons of Azovstal. American Lieutenant General Roger Clothier, captured by the People's Militia of the DPR the other day from a downed helicopter, was tracked by the GRU of the General Staff and the SVR of Russia in Mariupol based on the results of external surveillance of his mistress in Turkey in Izmir.

    A citizen of Ukraine, known to intelligence as Klute, always accompanied the general as a traveling wife, confidant and translator. As soon as it was reported that this lady had arrived in Mariupol, Russia launched a military operation and blocked the city.


    EDIT

    Re stories of the capture of American NATO Lt. Gen. Roger Cloutier, Jr., for the record it should be noted that there is a formal denial. I know nothing about this website, but they present evidence from a Linkedin posting and an email from NATO denying any such capture. There is also a photo purportedly of Cloutier in Izmir on April 5.

    https://www.verifythis.com/article/news/verify/world-verify/ukraine-verify/us-army-officer-not-captured-by-russia-in-ukraine/536-d6c9e4c9-bce2-44ca-9f38-a3f35f60286f

    I know, I know... never believe anything until it's formally denied.


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    Post  Podlodka77 11/04/22, 03:13 am

    Does anyone know where I can watch TV ZVEZDA video links in Russian ?

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    Post  JohninMK 11/04/22, 03:17 am

    So, where did Boris go?

    @ Maria | Apr 10 2022 9:30 utc | 413 - post from the previous thread -

    "Boris Johnson trip to “Kiev” April 9th:

    Flight ZZ336 - U.K. royal airforce
    Departed to Poland at 7h33
    Landed back in Brize Norton U.K. at 17h28

    Train journey Poland to Kiev: 7 hours each way

    The studio set of “Servant of the People “ must be in Poland or Lviv as there is no time to travel to Kiev .

    It’s a European Hollywood."

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    If Boris was on Flight ZZ336 - U.K. royal airforce, this confirms the impossible timescale https://www.radarbox.com/data/registration/zz336

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    Post  JohninMK 11/04/22, 03:27 am

    Can someone with Sputnik access cut and paste this please?

    https://sputniknews.com/20220409/crew-of-ukrainian-heli-downed-in-botched-azov-rescue-mission-thank-russians-for-saving-lives---1094613942.html
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    Post  Podlodka77 11/04/22, 03:35 am

    JohninMK wrote:Can someone with Sputnik access cut and paste this please?

    https://sputniknews.com/20220409/crew-of-ukrainian-heli-downed-in-botched-azov-rescue-mission-thank-russians-for-saving-lives---1094613942.html

    Crew of Ukrainian Heli Downed in Botched Azov Rescue Mission Thank Russians for Saving Lives - Video https://t.me/sputniknewsus

    A pair of Ukrainian Mi-8 helicopters were shot down while trying to break through Russian and Donetsk People’s Militia lines into the Azov Sea coastal city of Mariupol on Tuesday to evacuate commanders of the neo-Nazi Azov Regiment trapped in the area.
    Two Ukrainian helicopter crew members rescued and taken to hospital after their Mi-8 was shot down by a man-portable air defence system outside Mariupol have expressed gratitude to the Russian troops and doctors that saved their lives.

    “I was taken away from the helicopter while I was lying down, and brought to a medical facility, presumably. I didn't see. They provided medical assistance, plastered my legs and arm. That is, they didn't let me die. Thank you very much,” gunner Ivan Gavrilenko said, while lying in recovery. The officer suffered multiple shrapnel wounds and severe burns to 55-60 percent of his body.
    Flight Engineer Captain Dmitry Burlakov, who appeared to have suffered more serious injuries, simply uttered the words “Thank you.”

    Gavrilenko and Burlakov are being treated at a Russian military hospital in Melitopol, about 150 km west of Mariupol. A doctor treating the men said their condition was either stabilizing (in Gavrilenko’s case) or stable (in Burlakov’s) thanks to timely admission to hospital and the provision of qualified assistance.
    The crew members’ ill-fated Mi-8, flying out of Dnepro, was shot down on route to the besieged Azov Sea coast city – part of which remains under the control of Ukrainian military remnants, Azov fighters and foreign mercenaries, on 5 April.
    Burlakov, an officer of the 16th Separate Army Aviation Brigade of the 8th Army Corps of the Ukrainian Ground Forces, told investigators that the attempt to evacuate Azov’s commanders from Mariupol failed because it was poorly organised.
    “Organisation of the mission was not carried out as well as it could have been,” he said.
    “On 5 April, at about 4-5 am, we were ordered to fly from the city of Dnepro to a staging area between Dnepro and Mariupol, 20 minutes from the demarcation line,” Burlakov indicated. The officer said his chopper was designated to serve as a backup emergency search and rescue crew, with two Mi-8s flying on ahead of them to Mariupol itself.
    “We flew to the staging area, landed, turned off our engines and awaited further instructions. At about 5 am, the commander received an order over the phone to start up,” the engineer said. While they were in the air, the crew received a message that one Mi-8 had been shot down, and were ordered to fly to the crash site –four km beyond the demarcation line. “We flew up, saw smoke rising from the ground from afar. We flew closer and a rocket struck us. I awoke on the ground,” he said.
    Burlakov also recalled other details – saying, for example, that the Mi-8 was manufactured in the USSR in 1989, and that the crew were equipped with GPS and night vision goggles.
    A third crew member, a navigator named Bogdan, also survived. Commander Lieut Col Vyacheslav Voronoi reportedly perished.
    Russian and Donetsk People’s Republic forces are continuing their operation to press Ukrainian army remnants, neo-Nazi Azov fighters and foreign mercs trapped in Mariupol. On Friday, Russian Defence Ministry spokesman Igor Konashenkov said that an MoD analysis of radio communications intercepts determined that in addition to Ukrainian and Russian, at least six other languages, mainly European, were being used by fighters stuck in the city. These were not “defenders of so-called European values, but foreign mercenaries, who have come here to kill Slavs for American dollars while hiding behind a human shield of civilians,” Konashenkov said.

    The MoD had previously warned that the rules of warfare do not apply to mercenaries, and that they would be “ruthlessly destroyed” if encountered.
    On 4 April, the Russian military called on remaining Ukrainian military units trapped in Mariupol to lay down their arms and evacuate along a humanitarian corridor agreed with the Ukrainian side toward Zaporozhye, promising their safety. The next day, the MoD said that the Ukrainian side had rejected the offer.
    Mariupol has witnessed some of the toughest fighting to date in the joint Russian military-Donbass militia campaign in Ukraine. Ukrainian forces and Azov set up their defences right inside residential and industrial areas of the city, turning the battle into a brutal house-to-house slog and causing widespread destruction.
    The city’s plight has also been used for propaganda purposes by Ukrainian and Western governments and media, who have accused Russian and Donetsk forces of deliberately targeting civilian infrastructure and even forcibly “deporting” civilians to “filtration camps”. The Russian MoD has vocally dismissed these charges, pointing to civilian eyewitness testimony indicating that Azov fighters were deliberately using civilians as human shields, and even firing on residents trying to evacuate the city.

    https://t.me/sputniknewsus


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    Post  Belisarius 11/04/22, 03:37 am

    JohninMK wrote:Can someone with Sputnik access cut and paste this please?

    https://sputniknews.com/20220409/crew-of-ukrainian-heli-downed-in-botched-azov-rescue-mission-thank-russians-for-saving-lives---1094613942.html

    Crew of Ukrainian Heli Downed in Botched Azov Rescue Mission Thank Russians for Saving Lives - Video

    A pair of Ukrainian Mi-8 helicopters were shot down while trying to break through Russian and Donetsk People’s Militia lines into the Azov Sea coastal city of Mariupol on Tuesday to evacuate commanders of the neo-Nazi Azov Regiment trapped in the area.
    Two Ukrainian helicopter crew members rescued and taken to hospital after their Mi-8 was shot down by a man-portable air defence system outside Mariupol have expressed gratitude to the Russian troops and doctors that saved their lives

    “I was taken away from the helicopter while I was lying down, and brought to a medical facility, presumably. I didn't see. They provided medical assistance, plastered my legs and arm. That is, they didn't let me die. Thank you very much,” gunner Ivan Gavrilenko said, while lying in recovery. The officer suffered multiple shrapnel wounds and severe burns to 55-60 percent of his body.

    Flight Engineer Captain Dmitry Burlakov, who appeared to have suffered more serious injuries, simply uttered the words “Thank you.”

    Gavrilenko and Burlakov are being treated at a Russian military hospital in Melitopol, about 150 km west of Mariupol. A doctor treating the men said their condition was either stabilizing (in Gavrilenko’s case) or stable (in Burlakov’s) thanks to timely admission to hospital and the provision of qualified assistance.
    The crew members’ ill-fated Mi-8, flying out of Dnepro, was shot down on route to the besieged Azov Sea coast city – part of which remains under the control of Ukrainian military remnants, Azov fighters and foreign mercenaries, on 5 April.
    Burlakov, an officer of the 16th Separate Army Aviation Brigade of the 8th Army Corps of the Ukrainian Ground Forces, told investigators that the attempt to evacuate Azov’s commanders from Mariupol failed because it was poorly organised.
    “Organisation of the mission was not carried out as well as it could have been,” he said.
    “On 5 April, at about 4-5 am, we were ordered to fly from the city of Dnepro to a staging area between Dnepro and Mariupol, 20 minutes from the demarcation line,” Burlakov indicated. The officer said his chopper was designated to serve as a backup emergency search and rescue crew, with two Mi-8s flying on ahead of them to Mariupol itself.
    “We flew to the staging area, landed, turned off our engines and awaited further instructions. At about 5 am, the commander received an order over the phone to start up,” the engineer said. While they were in the air, the crew received a message that one Mi-8 had been shot down, and were ordered to fly to the crash site –four km beyond the demarcation line. “We flew up, saw smoke rising from the ground from afar. We flew closer and a rocket struck us. I awoke on the ground,” he said.

    Burlakov also recalled other details – saying, for example, that the Mi-8 was manufactured in the USSR in 1989, and that the crew were equipped with GPS and night vision goggles.
    A third crew member, a navigator named Bogdan, also survived. Commander Lieut Col Vyacheslav Voronoi reportedly perished.
    Russian and Donetsk People’s Republic forces are continuing their operation to press Ukrainian army remnants, neo-Nazi Azov fighters and foreign mercs trapped in Mariupol. On Friday, Russian Defence Ministry spokesman Igor Konashenkov said that an MoD analysis of radio communications intercepts determined that in addition to Ukrainian and Russian, at least six other languages, mainly European, were being used by fighters stuck in the city. These were not “defenders of so-called European values, but foreign mercenaries, who have come here to kill Slavs for American dollars while hiding behind a human shield of civilians,” Konashenkov said.

    The MoD had previously warned that the rules of warfare do not apply to mercenaries, and that they would be “ruthlessly destroyed” if encountered.
    On 4 April, the Russian military called on remaining Ukrainian military units trapped in Mariupol to lay down their arms and evacuate along a humanitarian corridor agreed with the Ukrainian side toward Zaporozhye, promising their safety. The next day, the MoD said that the Ukrainian side had rejected the offer.
    Mariupol has witnessed some of the toughest fighting to date in the joint Russian military-Donbass militia campaign in Ukraine. Ukrainian forces and Azov set up their defences right inside residential and industrial areas of the city, turning the battle into a brutal house-to-house slog and causing widespread destruction.
    The city’s plight has also been used for propaganda purposes by Ukrainian and Western governments and media, who have accused Russian and Donetsk forces of deliberately targeting civilian infrastructure and even forcibly “deporting” civilians to “filtration camps”. The Russian MoD has vocally dismissed these charges, pointing to civilian eyewitness testimony indicating that Azov fighters were deliberately using civilians as human shields, and even firing on residents trying to evacuate the city.

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    Post  VARGR198 11/04/22, 03:56 am

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    Post  Kiko 11/04/22, 03:58 am

    JohninMK wrote:Interesting if true, especially the last paragraph.

    https://t.me/opersvodki/3129

    Such information comes from sources:

    Under the Azovstal industrial zone, owned by oligarch Rinat Akhmetov, presumably the illegitimate son of former Ukrainian President Kuchma, there are 24 km of tunnels at a depth of up to 30 meters.

    There is also a secret NATO facility PIT-404 - and a secret NATO biological laboratory with biological weapons. At the PIT-404 facility, NATO officers are blocked. The tunnels are equipped with a bunker system with armor protection.

    There are about 240 foreigners inside, including officers of NATO and the French Foreign Legion, as well as biolab staff. Their security, funded by Akhmetov, has up to 3,000 people.

    The biolab under the Azovstal plant in Mariupol at the so-called PIT-404 facility was built and operated by Metabiota, a company associated with Hunter Biden, Rinat Akhmetov and Vladimir Zelensky.

    In the laboratories of this facility, tests were conducted to create bioweapons. Thousands of Mariupol residents have become "guinea pigs" in these terrible trials. And mostly Western "specialists" took part in these inhuman experiments.

    French intelligence and special operations officers were unable to take their colleagues out of Mariupol. That's why Macron called the Kremlin so often and asked for "humanitarian corridors."

    Some French intelligence officers died during the rescue operation. The head of French intelligence, Eric Vido, was dismissed on March 31, 2022 for the failures of French intelligence in the war in Ukraine.

    Officers from the USA, Canada, Germany, France, Italy, Turkey, Sweden, Poland and Greece are now blocked in the dungeons of Azovstal. American Lieutenant General Roger Clothier, captured by the People's Militia of the DPR the other day from a downed helicopter, was tracked by the GRU of the General Staff and the SVR of Russia in Mariupol based on the results of external surveillance of his mistress in Turkey in Izmir.

    A citizen of Ukraine, known to intelligence as Klute, always accompanied the general as a traveling wife, confidant and translator. As soon as it was reported that this lady had arrived in Mariupol, Russia launched a military operation and blocked the city.


    EDIT

    Re stories of the capture of American NATO Lt. Gen. Roger Cloutier, Jr., for the record it should be noted that there is a formal denial. I know nothing about this website, but they present evidence from a Linkedin posting and an email from NATO denying any such capture. There is also a photo purportedly of Cloutier in Izmir on April 5.

    https://www.verifythis.com/article/news/verify/world-verify/ukraine-verify/us-army-officer-not-captured-by-russia-in-ukraine/536-d6c9e4c9-bce2-44ca-9f38-a3f35f60286f

    I know, I know... never believe anything until it's formally denied.

    Post doesn't mention British SAS operatives. That was "highly likely" the purpose of the buffoon's visit to Zelensky yesterday.

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    Post  kvs 11/04/22, 04:05 am

    VARGR198 wrote:https://twitter.com/MapsUkraine/status/1513285241858834449

    I find this video strange. Why would someone be filming a group of military milling around? It looks like they are
    expecting something to happen. There is really nothing else of interest to motivate the filming. The motive
    for such video productions is not clear to me.

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    Post  Podlodka77 11/04/22, 04:21 am

    Red Star fans are preparing for the city derby with Partizan. Katjusha and , "Russians and Serbs brothers forever " and "**** **** NATO pact".

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    Post  mnztr 11/04/22, 04:28 am

    JohninMK wrote:So, where did Boris go?

    @ Maria | Apr 10 2022 9:30 utc | 413 - post from the previous thread -

    "Boris Johnson trip to “Kiev” April 9th:

    Flight ZZ336 - U.K. royal airforce
    Departed to Poland at 7h33
    Landed back in Brize Norton U.K. at 17h28

    Train journey Poland to Kiev: 7 hours each way

    The studio set of “Servant of the People “ must be in Poland or Lviv as there is no time to travel to Kiev .

    It’s a European Hollywood."

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    If Boris was on Flight ZZ336 - U.K. royal airforce, this confirms the impossible timescale https://www.radarbox.com/data/registration/zz336

    How long by Helo?
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    Post  Isos 11/04/22, 04:30 am

    kvs wrote:
    VARGR198 wrote:https://twitter.com/MapsUkraine/status/1513285241858834449

    I find this video strange.   Why would someone be filming a group of military milling around? It looks like they are
    expecting something to happen.   There is really nothing else of interest to motivate the filming.    The motive
    for such video productions is not clear to me.


    Shocking video.

    Even if they survived the shockwave of the fire destroyed their brains and ears.

    And at the end it there is another fire probably fibishing off the ones that survived.

    Could also be ukrainian tank firing on ukrainians. IMO it's hard to beleive they would stay calm like this if they knew it was a russian tank and you can easily hear a tank moving from far away.

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    Post  Eugenio Argentina 11/04/22, 05:04 am

    ArgentinaGuard wrote:Argentina rejects the expulsion of Russia from the G20. I don't think Russia cares much about that organization.
    The only thing I can tell you is that in Argentina the community is divided. In no way do they believe the lies of NATO and in general there are many people who appreciate Russia for its history and for the support of the USSR in the Malvinas war.
    Currently, the governing coalition is divided. President Fernandez and his Foreign Minister Cafiero support the United States (due to the debt issue with the FMI), while Vice President Cristina Kirchner is a faithful ally of Putin. The opposition is totally pro-Western and Zionist, and supports Ukraine

    There is a division in the government, but Cristina Kirchner's sector is quite Zionist.
    Let's not forget that on the subject of the explosions in the Israeli Embassy and in the AMIA, he follows the script of Zionism.
    It is enough to see the destabilization that they did with Nisman, a prosecutor who put Kirchnerism.
    On the other hand, Cristina Kirchner is a great promoter of the progressive wave (feminism, abortion, lgtb, inclusive language, etc).
    They are liberals.
    Finally, do not forget that shortly before the attack on Libya, they had gone to make an alliance with Gaddafi and after NATO attacked, they also played dumb.
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    Post  Arkanghelsk 11/04/22, 05:05 am

    Isos wrote:
    kvs wrote:
    VARGR198 wrote:https://twitter.com/MapsUkraine/status/1513285241858834449

    I find this video strange.   Why would someone be filming a group of military milling around? It looks like they are
    expecting something to happen.   There is really nothing else of interest to motivate the filming.    The motive
    for such video productions is not clear to me.


    Shocking video.

    Even if they survived the shockwave of the fire destroyed their brains and ears.

    And at the end it there is another fire probably fibishing off the ones that survived.

    Could also be ukrainian tank firing on ukrainians. IMO it's hard to beleive they would stay calm like this if they knew it was a russian tank and you can easily hear a tank moving from far away.

    Was that the tank straight ahead? If you look next to the side mirror of the van, you can see the moment of the first shot, the light from the primer exploding as the shot goes off from muzzle flash of the barrel

    So the tank was right there, and why would they be just standing around there if the tank was literally 10 meter from where they were standing?

    You can hear the tank idling as well

    Some people claim friendly fire, and the blue bandage is visible if you watch carefully

    So it's 404  , I wonder why a Ukraine tank would fire on them, and at the same time if it was Russian, why are they just hanging out so close to the tank?

    Maybe POW of LDNR tank?

    Either way **** them hahaha

    There's the blue bandage

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    Post  Serberus 11/04/22, 05:43 am

    Damn I saw this earlier but wasn’t paying too much attention to detail until it was pointed out here, the bloody tank is literally meters away you can see it rolling up, accident can probably be ruled out as it seems to keep firing after the first shot.
    Dudes milling around look to be relaxed and even maybe taking photos possibly after a battle or attack they thought was finished,  some of  those captured ukrop tanks being used by donbas militia still had their ukrop camo painted on them they just slapped some Zs, maybe the Z wasn't visible from the front and they thought it was a friendly until it opened up.
    Some claim its a Russian T72-B3 they assumed was a trophy.

    Either way, several fewer Wehrmacht to deal with.


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    Post  Regular 11/04/22, 06:12 am

    First recorded tank on tank kill was also from less than 150 meters. It could also be a friendly fire as you can see roadblock.

    But I agree, why would someone film this and focus on soldiers? What is the motive?

    Then again, Mi-24 video of it being shot down was also filmed like that and it was Ukrainian helicopter.

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    Post  flamming_python 11/04/22, 06:50 am

    kvs wrote:
    VARGR198 wrote:https://twitter.com/MapsUkraine/status/1513285241858834449

    I find this video strange.   Why would someone be filming a group of military milling around? It looks like they are
    expecting something to happen.   There is really nothing else of interest to motivate the filming.    The motive
    for such video productions is not clear to me.


    Maybe another stunt

    To insinuate that Russia is using unmarked captured Ukrainian tanks to kill Ukrainian soldiers

    And so the Ukraine should do the same back and mark their tanks with Zs

    Bucha and Kramatorsk have shown to me that there is no limit to what they will stoop to. Hell knows with them.

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    Post  mnztr 11/04/22, 07:10 am

    US national sec. advisor claims arms deliveries being made daily to Ukraine. If this is true, shame on Russia for allowing it to happen. At this point all rail links to the West should be cut as well as all roads. Also all air traffic should be banned and at risk of being shot down. If Russia cannot do this then they really do not seem serious to me. In terms of demilitrization. the USA will replace all that gear with NATO stuff in less then a month if they don't take the whole country. So it will only have served to destory the old gear and replace it with much newer stuff. If they allow arms delivery, the cost of this conflict will keep going higher and higher. Already today I saw vid of an Mi-28 being shot down by StarStreak. Not good at all.


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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug 11/04/22, 07:11 am

    Cruise missile barrages towards western UA now, judging by the air raid warnings.

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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug 11/04/22, 07:19 am

    To be honest, I've started wondering about the Ukrainian demographics.

    They're losing their abled-bodied men at a terrible pace, emigration has been sky high for years and obviously increased dramatically in conjunction with recent events, TFR has been low for ages, the economy is set to contract by 25% or more, they've lost heaps of territory... And so on and so forth.

    I mean, out of the 45 million or so they had in 2001, only 33-35 remained by 2021. The 90s were horrible too, as elsewhere in the FSU. Altogether, these three decades have been a catastrophe, and now it's even worse.

    Even if the west keeps showering them with weapons and vehicles, who will be left to operate them? It's not like the Middle East.

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    Post  sepheronx 11/04/22, 07:27 am

    Dr.Snufflebug wrote:To be honest, I've started wondering about the Ukrainian demographics.

    They're losing their abled-bodied men at a terrible pace, emigration has been sky high for years and obviously increased dramatically in conjunction with recent events, TFR has been low for ages, the economy is set to contract by 25% or more, they've lost heaps of territory... And so on and so forth.

    I mean, out of the 45 million or so they had in 2001, only 33-35 remained by 2021. The 90s were horrible too, as elsewhere in the FSU. Altogether, these three decades have been a catastrophe, and now it's even worse.

    Even if the west keeps showering them with weapons and vehicles, who will be left to operate them? It's not like the Middle East.

    Some figures where lower than that for 2021. I have seen as low as 28M people. Dont know how accurate it is and I doubt we will ever get a tally till after the war.
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    Post  flamming_python 11/04/22, 07:47 am

    Could that tank be one of the Ukrainian models of the T-72?

    https://t.me/istorijaoruzija/53811

    It kind of looks like that one. But from the resolution/angle it's very difficult to tell
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    Post  par far 11/04/22, 07:49 am

    mnztr wrote:US national sec. advisor claims arms deliveries being made daily to Ukraine. If this is true, shame on Russia for allowing it to happen. At this point all rail links to the West should be cut as well as all roads. Also all air traffic should be banned and at risk of being shot down. If Russia cannot do this then they really do not seem serious to me. In terms of demilitrization. the USA will replace all that gear with NATO stuff in less then a month if they don't take the whole country. So it will only have served to destory the old gear and replace it with much newer stuff. If they allow arms delivery,  the cost of this conflict will keep going higher and higher. Already today I saw vid of an Mi-28 being shot down by StarStreak. Not good at all.


    If you listen to what the people on the ground and what most experts are saying and not US propaganda, you would be better informed.

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