Russian special military operation in Ukraine #10

FP; I can give you a like for some of your posts but there is no more respect for you as a person, because you are the one that has called Putin and Russian army as "fucking murderers". I don't hate you but because of those words of yours we can not be friends.

flamming_python wrote:...They couldn't have predicted Bucha...

Bucha is the oldest trick in the book and has been in use for 30 years

Everyone here in Serbia have predicted it and I honestly can't believe that Russian intel department is so far behind the curve

Stuff like Bucha and especially Krematorsk are called "Markale Routine" and they followed playbook to the letter: tell people that they should go somewhere and then slaughter them for the journalists

Only difference is that instead​ of market and mortar shells there was railway station and Tochka missile



Russians set themselves up for Bucha the moment they pulled out and gave Ukrainians the stage for this little theater and this will be repeated in every single place that Ukrainians retake from Russia

Don't give them anything because they will make sure you regret it

Podlodka77 wrote:FP; I can give you a like for some of your posts but there is no more respect for you as a person, because you are the one that has called Putin and Russian army as "fucking murderers". I don't hate you but because of those words of yours we can not be friends.

The latest false attribution to my name

Would you care to quote me?

Podlodka77 wrote:Well, now we have Papadragon here. That Man knows everything about "mistakes" about Russian military plans and Russian leadership. It is very interesting that prophet Papadragon even knows that "Russia will stop to exist as a country"...

They sent their grunts into Kiev without artillery or air support and told them not to defend themselves

They got slaughtered with artillery and survivors had their balls cut off

If that doesn't look like mistake to you then I don't know what else to say



As for Russia existing, if they drop the ball here or pussy out halfway they will be advertising to USA and EU that Russia is up for grabs and that they don't have the guts to do what needs to be done and in that case USA and EU will DEFINITELY grab the chance to finish what they started in the 90s

Also, Chinese are nice for now but they don't like being associated with losers, they survived the Cold War by picking the winning team hence Russia has to make sure they don't lose this

So now it's either Polish border and Rolling Thunder or 90s the Sequel

It's not complicated

Arkanghelsk wrote:The Ukrainians can sacrifice many more, it will be this way every week

Bucha, kramatorsk, chemical attacks, actually Konashenkov revealed another attack is planned, but it's doesn't matter

Ukrainian citizens are not going to magically switch sides and bring the pain of the SBU and Teraborona on themselves

And as long as western MSM is there to cover it up , the Russian position won't even be heard

The Ukrainians themselves have it good, they surrender, get fed, and traded back to the VSU to be put back into armed units

Our guys cannot be put back into the army because they hand them back crippled and maimed if at all

Ukraine has no fear of such an army , that's why they don't surrender , it will just drag on

We only handed back 28 or their soldiers in the latest trade

They gave back some 32 Russian truckers they detained. Not even servicemen. Truckers

I don't know what's up with that

I imagine most captured Ukrainian soldiers are not that eager to be traded back.
There is a solution for that. Provided they're cleared of any nationalist org memberships and are not suspected of any crimes - they can join the LDNR armies instead as some auxillary personnel. Or as part of work battalions to help restore devestated settlements

Well it's kind of a moot point because the Ukrainians don't hold more than 100 Russians or so prisoner at the moment. We hold a lot more of theirs.

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Oh and it's awesome to see you again, bro

Arkanghelsk wrote:Zelensky doesn't care about losing some villages and towns, he's keeping us without moving for 46 days now and takes more territory

He will stage false flags and be lauded as a hero

But yes you are correct, they cannot get into Mariupol, we might take it finally in about 3 weeks

Peskov is playing a role? What role is that? Breaking the morale of the army by disclosing "huge losses"?

That's some 10d chess

Peskov is Putin's spokesman and says what he's ordered to say

He admitted to significant losses. When the anchor was talking about 6 generals dead, Peskov replied that it's a misunderstanding of the situation

Peskov has not lied and he hasn't said anything the Russian MoD hasn't admitted to itself; namely the 1300 something losses 20 days ago or so.

Yes Peskov is playing a role. Trying to show that the Kremlin is open to a deal.
When in fact it's not. But the fascade will be kept for now.

Arkanghelsk wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:

Podlodka77 wrote:Well, now we have Papadragon here. That Man knows everything about "mistakes" about  Russian military plans and Russian leadership. It is very interesting that prophet Papadragon even knows that "Russia will stop to exist as a country"...

They sent their grunts into Kiev without artillery or air support and told them not to defend themselves

They got slaughtered with artillery and survivors had their balls cut off

If that doesn't look like mistake to you then I don't know what else to say



As for Russia existing, if they drop the ball here or pussy out halfway they will be advertising to USA and EU that Russia is up for grabs and that they don't have the guts to do what needs to be done and in that case USA and EU will DEFINITELY grab the chance to finish what they started in the 90s

Also, Chinese are nice for now but they don't like being associated with losers, they survived the Cold War by picking the winning team hence Russia has to make sure they don't lose this

So now it's either Polish border and Rolling Thunder or 90s the Sequel

It's not complicated

That much is clear , I want to apologize to you and admit that your predictions was spot on

Yes either the war must be fought correctly

Or as you correctly stated 1 month ago, we will be carved up like other places that puss footed against the US

The war will be prosecuted as needed and will be won

The fastest way to victory is collapsing enemy morale and propaganda, faith in their leadership, and splitting the general population from the radicals

Bucha and Kramatorsk are helping Russia more than you know

Yours and others obsessions with kill ratios, cratering all VSU everywhere, and whatever are all well and good - but they won't win the war but prolong it, and make post war recovery more difficult. The US did not win in Afghanistan or Vietnam or Iraq. Let's not follow their example.

Arkanghelsk wrote:...That much is clear , I want to apologize to you...

No worries, it's all good

Stress happens

sepheronx wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:

sepheronx wrote:
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Oh and it's awesome to see you again, bro

I see you also faced a temp ban.

Glad to be back. Good to see familiar names.

Ha, it was permanent but the governor changed ​his mind and phoned the warden to call off the execution

PapaDragon wrote:They sent their grunts into Kiev without artillery or air support and told them not to defend themselves
They got slaughtered with artillery and survivors had their balls cut off
If that doesn't look like mistake to you then I don't know what else to say

As for Russia existing, if they drop the ball here or pussy out halfway they will be advertising to USA and EU that Russia is up for grabs and that they don't have the guts to do what needs to be done and in that case USA and EU will DEFINITELY grab the chance to finish what they started in the 90s

Also, Chinese are nice for now but they don't like being associated with losers, they survived the Cold War by picking the winning team hence Russia has to make sure they don't lose this

So now it's either Polish border and Rolling Thunder or 90s the Sequel

It's not complicated

It did not happen like that. Russia sent the VDV airborne troops to take the airport north of Kiev to basically catch the Ukrainians by surprise and avoid a slow transit over the Pripyat marshes I think. The VDV does not carry heavy equipment. They tried to land what equipment they do have with Il-76s at the airport. But artillery fire from Kiev damaged the runway and the Il-76s had to abort back to Belarus. So they moved their equipment (i.e. BMD IFVs) overland from Belarus to the airport area. In the meantime the VDV troops managed to repulse the Ukrainian mechanized unit which they sent to clear up the airport. This was done with the support of Russian aviation. They basically spent like the night in a game of cat and mouse. Then Russia did another large heliborne troop insertion. Then the VDV's equipment arrived overland. Since the VDV would not be enough to engage those units properly they sent a mechanized brigade after the VDV. Those are the guys we saw stopped in the road in the middle of nowhere. I still question why exactly that movement with the mechanized brigade happened the way it did though. Perhaps they were told to stop outside Ukrainian artillery range? Perhaps they expected Ukraine to move some of their troops in the East back to Kiev to defend the capital, and the VDV was supposed to then fall back towards the mechanized brigade? And when the hoped for Ukrainian troop movements did not happen the mechanized brigade moved towards Kiev to try to pose enough of a challenge get the Ukrainians to redeploy their units from the East? When that basically did not happen, they just redeployed the troops to focus on eliminating Ukrainian troops on the East.

I think the whole plan relied on luring the Ukrainian forces entrenched in the East into open terrain where they would be destroyed with helicopters and aviation. That would basically cause the collapse of a huge amount of Ukrainian territory. Since that did not happen, and Donbass was still under threat, they had to redeploy to destroy the entrenched Ukrainian forces with a conventional armored offensive. Or at least to encircle them and destroy them with bombardments. It remains to be seen how they will handle the Ukrainian troops in the East.

I agree that with without the capitulation of Kiev, and, I think at least carving out Novorossiya out of Ukraine there is little chance of even a half decent middle term peace. I think Russia definitively needs to capture Kharkiv and use it as a center of government for Novorossiya. I do not think it is necessary to capture Dnipropetrovsk or Zaporizhzhia at this stage. Ideally they should capture everything East and South of the Dnieper. And Ukraine's access to the sea should be cut. But it depends on how far they want to go. If things got really bad, and they want to peace out without getting the whole thing, just raze Kiev and Lvov to the ground with carpet bombing. Do just like Israel does. And turn the whole region west of the Dnieper into Europe's version of the Gaza strip.