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    Post  flamming_python Mon Apr 04, 2022 8:15 am

    C'mon Putin don't mess this one up

    Expose of the Bucha affair in the UN, then present it in front of your own people, grand speech, mobilization, ultimatum to Bandera-army generals of 96 hours, shock & awe campaign of max. speed envelopment of Donbass pocket and rush to Odessa after just 48 hours (they've had over a month to think already, in fact)

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    Post  flamming_python Mon Apr 04, 2022 8:17 am

    Airbornewolf wrote:
    kvs wrote:"If it turns out to be true"

    Seriously?

    Supposedly dead bodies moving around?   Laid out moronically on the road.  

    At least in Racak NATzO's doggies the UCK transferred its dead into a ditch for the photo op.   But in Bucha we had "murdered"
    civilians laid out in locations that do not make any sense if they were killed by an armed force.  


    For the ones that still have not seen the obvious....



    In all fairness...the road is wet and cold Wink ...



    The first one is just a spot on the windshield. There's a zoomed in view somewhere

    About the second guy it's unclear, but I think it could just be an effect of panning away from the mirror

    So either they're better actors than we take them for or they really are dead
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    Post  Serberus Mon Apr 04, 2022 8:34 am

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Is any progress being made by Russian forces?

    Mariupol Nazis are still holding out for obvious reasons, for them surrender is not an option but they have lost already regardless. Cant imagine them holding out for much longer. On the one hand it would be good to free up the troops fighting there immediately, but on the other hand that’s thousands of Nazis fewer to fight elsewhere so however long it takes, they all need to be destroyed.

    All along the Donbas front there are minor gains, along Izyum towards Slavyansk front, also small breakthroughs all along the lines trying to push the Wehrmacht troops away from Donetsk but nothing major. Most fighting at the moment still seems to be by Donbas Militia, I think Russians will hit from Izyum side.
    Noose around Severodonetsk is also tightening but I assume they are being drawn into a cauldron.

    Russian troops appear to have withdrawn not just from Kiev but also Chernigovsk and possibly parts of Sumy oblasts, most likely in preperation for major offensive on Donbas


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    Post  Sujoy Mon Apr 04, 2022 8:40 am

    GarryB wrote:Who is this Andy Scrotumlicker and why do you think he is in charge of UK foreign policy?
    If not backed by the state why would a random individual from the U.K threaten India with a nuclear strike simply because India decided to purchase oil from Russia?

    They are deep state actors. During the India-China border clash in 2020, U.K passed on all the details about various Indian weapon systems to the Chinese.

    This Chinese rocket too that this British scum was referring to did not crash in India out of the blue unless of course they were instigated by countries like the U.K to crash it in India on purpose.

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    Post  Airbornewolf Mon Apr 04, 2022 9:22 am

    flamming_python wrote:
    Airbornewolf wrote:
    kvs wrote:"If it turns out to be true"

    Seriously?

    Supposedly dead bodies moving around?   Laid out moronically on the road.  

    At least in Racak NATzO's doggies the UCK transferred its dead into a ditch for the photo op.   But in Bucha we had "murdered"
    civilians laid out in locations that do not make any sense if they were killed by an armed force.  


    For the ones that still have not seen the obvious....


    In all fairness...the road is wet and cold Wink ...



    The first one is just a spot on the windshield. There's a zoomed in view somewhere

    About the second guy it's unclear, but I think it could just be an effect of panning away from the mirror

    So either they're better actors than we take them for or they really are dead

    I went frame by frame trough it before i uploaded it.

    That spot?. its not there before or after the body.
    It appears inside the silhouette of the body aka the hand.
    Before you see the hand, he pulls up his arm right in the frame before that.

    The body in the mirror clearly sits up and extends his leg.

    Its not the first time Kiev likes to use "fakes".



    not related to the staged video's,

    but of course, never count out the Ukrainians themselves out.
    Like the video where they enter and town and one asks if they just can shoot everyone without an blue armband.
    They have been killing civilians for the last 8 years. so it fits in their street to do such things.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Mon Apr 04, 2022 9:31 am

    The UN security council will be mobilized by Russia to expose bucha false flag

    This is another case where Russia cares whether the world judges Russia correctly

    What about murdering POW? Again I feel for the Ukrainian people

    But what about Russians being subject to war crimes?

    Noone cares? But the poor civilians of a shithole like bucha

    This is what I don't understand, Russians are like expendable pawns , shoot one in the head after being captured? Noone bats an eyelash

    Kill one bucha resident, well then everyone loses their minds!!!!

    Call the UN! it's all BS, VVP doesn't need to order mobilization

    He needs to order the tu22 fully loaded and run a mission over that juicy orc pocket, once that pocket is flame grilled

    Move onto Kiev, Kharkov and so on until the job is finished

    But don't rush b and send guys to a meat grinder so we can win the award for most honorable because we won't even be nominated for it

    More likely zelensky will win the Nobel peace prize and wel be the genocidal maniacs

    So just bomb em all already

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    Post  Sujoy Mon Apr 04, 2022 9:31 am

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:Not in physical sense (at least in foreseeable future) but their goal is drive a wedge between Russia , China and India. The stepping up of info war shows clearly desperation of west. Their economical position are crumbling. They are desperate to keep Frankenstein moving...
    If India stands on their side then after Russia, Chine is next and then India to kill.
    I broadly agree with you. However, China clearly is not on India’s side, despite the fact that India left no stone unturned to improve relations with China.
    West is encouraging Pakistan and China to confront India. However, at the same time West is trying to disintegrate India through internal conflicts. They are promoting the unbridled growth of Catholic and Protestant churches who in turn promote anti Semitism and anti Russia propaganda. Already, 4 states are now Christian majority and 3 more are on the way. India’s future seems to be like that of Nepal.

    flamming_python wrote:The regime change against Pakistan failed
    Imran Khan has lot the mandate so Pakistan is going for another election.
    In any case it doesn’t matter. Pakistan will always be controlled by the Army and right now the Pakistani Army Chief General Bajwa is supporting Ukraine against Russia.
    https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/pakistan/cant-condone-russia-stand-by-ukraine-general-bajwa/articleshow/90615828.cms
    flamming_python wrote:The new regime there may be used as a lever against India, since India doesn't seem to be towing the line
    West has already begun to take action against India…for instance WHO has stopped purchasing India’s anti COVID vaccine.

    flamming_python wrote:China/Russia/India should be more active in setting up trade relations and currency swaps for developing nations, to prevent them falling into economic chaos as a result of devaluation or financial assaults.
    China is firmly in the Western camp. Their biggest supporter in the West is the U.K.
    Russia and India will have to drastically increase the size of their economy. That in itself will lower their dependence on the West. There is a reason why the USSR focussed so much on the size of the economy. The USSR had the 2nd largest economy in the world.
    Unfortunately, India is being led by a corrupt western agent masquerading as a Prime Minister.

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    Post  Regular Mon Apr 04, 2022 9:32 am

    TMA1 wrote:Hahahaha...

    Am I hearing people call for parliamentary system in place of Putin now? Wake up the NED and others thrived via corrupt parliamentary systems. You guys don't have the luxury for democratic systems. Unless of course you secretly envy servility and the desire to become a western puppet state...

    Not calling it, just a "nuclear option".

    There were debates in Russia about the parliamentary system if Putin won't have a worthy successor and not a replacement. Good thing is that you can burn through multiple PMs until you can find the right person and with the president, you can be stuck in Yeltsin situation. But in the end, even Putin himself said it is too much experimentation. Being western pupped or not wasn't discussed. But it was just discussions. All I said, is that Russia won't collapse without a leader, it has a stable federal gov, no separatism, mature central government. It's not the 90s. Then again, parliament could be easily infiltrated by external forces or rendered inefficient - just look at UK and how shitty is their gov.
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    Post  Sujoy Mon Apr 04, 2022 9:34 am

    Isos wrote:Thry also said they can't talk with Panistan anymore as long as Khan is prime minister because he said pakistani are not nato slaves to obei them on Russia.
    What Imran Khan says makes no difference. He is not even a Punjabi Muslim but a Pashtun who are not trusted by the Punjabis. Pakistan's Army Chief is already supporting Ukraine. He has said that in as many words.

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    Post  Hinex1988 Mon Apr 04, 2022 10:14 am

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Is any progress being made by Russian forces?

    🇷🇺🇺🇦Briefing by Russian Defence Ministry

    ▫The grouping of troops of the Donetsk People's Republic, developing the offensive, seized a fortified area and liberated Novobakhmutovka. During the hostilities, up to a company of the enemy 25th Airborne Brigade was destroyed.

    ▫Units of the Lugansk people's militia advanced 2km and blockaded Novotoshkovskoe from the east and south.

    ▫The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation continue to strike at the assets of the military infrastructure of Ukraine.

    💥On the night of April 4, an air strike near Lisichansk destroyed the command post of the 24th Separate Mechanized Brigade of the Ukrainian Armed Forces and ammunition depots, weapons and military equipment located nearby.

    💥As a result of the strike on April 3, 3 Ukrainian helicopters were destroyed at Balovnoe airfield on the outskirts of Nikolaev.

    💥Russian air defence means shot down 6 unmanned aerial vehicles near Nikolaev, Kherson, Kurakhovka, Industrialnoe and Velikaya Novoselka.

    ✈💥During the night, operational-tactical aviation hit 14 military assets of the Ukrainian Armed Forces. Among them: 2 command posts, 2 anti-aircraft missile launchers Buk-M1near Krasnogorka and Verkhnetoretskoe, 1 artillery battery, 2 depots of missile-artillery weapons and ammunition, 3 fuel depots, as well as 6 strong points and areas of concentration of Ukrainian weapons and military equipment.

    📊In total, 125 Ukrainian aircraft and 91 helicopters, 392 unmanned aerial vehicles, 226 anti-aircraft missile systems, 1,936 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 211 multiple launch rocket systems, 833 field artillery and mortars, as well as 1,810 units of special military vehicles were destroyed during the operation.

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    Post  Werewolf Mon Apr 04, 2022 11:44 am

    flamming_python wrote:
    Regular wrote:
    Arkanghelsk wrote:

    It's pathetic nuff said

    Kadyrov is 100% the ideal of a leader

    Dude, you are probably in your 20s... He killed Russians during First Chechen war. Just like his father. He was made into an attack dog for a reason. Don't fall for PR bullshit. All the fighting is done by DNR guys in that front, check true reporting by WarGonzo and other journalists.

    Perhaps, but image counts for a lot

    Russia needs to put on its warface, issue mobilization orders, and an ultimatum to the criminal Ukrainian generals who defend their cynical murdering regime who carry out massacres like Bucha to accuse their enemies in front of the cameras - to either withdraw their men from Donbass, Kharkov, Nikolayev, Zaporozhie and Odessa within 96 hours, or suffer the consequences

    And after that, the next ultimatum - withdrawal from Kirovograd, Sumy, Chernigov and Cherkassy

    Hopefully, this would lead to less deaths rather than more.

    Damn you two are some clowns I must say...

    First you are complaining for years Putin is to weak and needs to hammer the West
    Then he does and you are full on defeatism, Putin bad, this war is not legal.... poor Orcs will hate russians. Yeah like they did already
    Now you want to ditch Putin who is intelligent unlike Kadyrov and want Russia to put its "warface on"....

    What will be your next words? How about carpet bombing?

    You FP are all over the place and so is Ark. What is wrong with you guys?

    A leader like Putin can not be replaced by a person like Kadyrov, war ends what next? This guy isn't intelligent and will run into every damn false flag, every provocation of the West and will ultimately harm Russia.

    You both have great choice of leaders. Let me guess FP, you never voted for Putin? Laughing

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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Mon Apr 04, 2022 11:45 am

    It is unfortunate how the forum has been filled with people who publish anything: they criticize Russia, Putin, that such things were done wrong and so on, a large number of publications that do not contribute anything. One who enters to find information about the war, in a pro-Russian forum, finds a lot of gossip, which you have to skip over, to find something interesting. It's time to get rid of those who throw away all that false information.

    attack

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    Post  Serberus Mon Apr 04, 2022 12:00 pm

    Yep, the last half dozen pages or so have mostly been inundated with erratic mood swings (must be that time of the month for some of the fellas) , arguing over shit that hasnt even happened, what could have been and should have been, what ifs and what nots, a whole pile of politican dung that imo should be on a political thread,  I have skipped reading most if it, and will not be enaging in this shit fest,  unless something of note happens on the ground.


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    Post  flamming_python Mon Apr 04, 2022 12:01 pm

    Werewolf wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:
    Regular wrote:
    Arkanghelsk wrote:

    It's pathetic nuff said

    Kadyrov is 100% the ideal of a leader

    Dude, you are probably in your 20s... He killed Russians during First Chechen war. Just like his father. He was made into an attack dog for a reason. Don't fall for PR bullshit. All the fighting is done by DNR guys in that front, check true reporting by WarGonzo and other journalists.

    Perhaps, but image counts for a lot

    Russia needs to put on its warface, issue mobilization orders, and an ultimatum to the criminal Ukrainian generals who defend their cynical murdering regime who carry out massacres like Bucha to accuse their enemies in front of the cameras - to either withdraw their men from Donbass, Kharkov, Nikolayev, Zaporozhie and Odessa within 96 hours, or suffer the consequences

    And after that, the next ultimatum - withdrawal from Kirovograd, Sumy, Chernigov and Cherkassy

    Hopefully, this would lead to less deaths rather than more.

    Damn you two are some clowns I must say...

    First you are complaining for years Putin is to weak and needs to hammer the West
    Then he does and you are full on defeatism, Putin bad, this war is not legal.... poor Orcs will hate russians. Yeah like they did already
    Now you want to ditch Putin who is intelligent unlike Kadyrov and want Russia to put its "warface on"....

    What will be your next words? How about carpet bombing?

    You FP are all over the place and so is Ark. What is wrong with you guys?

    A leader like Putin can not be replaced by a person like Kadyrov, war ends what next? This guy isn't intelligent and  will run into every damn false flag, every provocation of the West and will ultimately harm Russia.

    You both have great choice of leaders. Let me guess FP, you never voted for Putin? Laughing

    I told you guys I'm turning into Arkhangelsk. Whatever it is, it's contageous

    And hey bro we're stuck with Putin

    So I'm just making the best of a shitty deal cheers

    In all seriousness though we need to start mobilization. It's the psychological effect combined with other things. It can end the war quicker.

    It's also an insurance policy against NATO - don't want them to have any ideas about coming in.

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    Post  Werewolf Mon Apr 04, 2022 12:11 pm

    flamming_python wrote:

    I told you guys I'm turning into Arkhangelsk

    And hey bro we're stuck with Putin

    So I'm just making the best of a shitty deal cheers

    In all seriousness though we need to start mobilization. It's the psychological effect combined with other things. It can end the war quicker.

    It's also an insurance policy against NATO - don't want them to have any ideas about coming in.

    Hell I would love being "stuck" with a leader like Putin, but no, we have jewish Merkel who was raping Germany with rapefugees and sold out the little democracy and sovereignty this little Germanistan had. Now we have a dimwit who is on the intelligence level of Von der Leyen.

    Russia has the best Leader the world has seen since at least a few centuries and it doesn't matter if you like him or not. The world we live in has only real leaders which to the west are all dictators or you have the western pseudo-democracies of actors who are just playing the role of the shadow governments that are telling them what to say. You know it is true so why are you bitching about something that certainly couldn't be dealed better with if there was a less intelligent person calling the shots.

    Kadyrov might be not the dumbest but he is certainly not the coldest and most rational leader. He would be eager to bite as soon as someone insults his religion or people. If Putin was like this we would already have WW3 in Europe.

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    Post  Pacense Mon Apr 04, 2022 12:40 pm

    Eugenio Argentina wrote:It is unfortunate how the forum has been filled with people who publish anything: they criticize Russia, Putin, that such things were done wrong and so on, a large number of publications that do not contribute anything. One who enters to find information about the war, in a pro-Russian forum, finds a lot of gossip, which you have to skip over, to find something interesting. It's time to get rid of those who throw away all that false information.

    attack

    Being Pro-Russia, is not the same as being Pro-Putin and/or Pro-Kremlin.

    I totally support what Russia did in South Ossetia and Abkhazia (altought it could had done much more). And in Artsakh much more could had been done as well. But overall Kudos to Russia. The same with Crimea and Donbass. But and agreement should had been done with Ukraine regarding these two territories.

    Regarding this war, I do think was a fatal mistake, and for obvious reasons.

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    Post  nomadski Mon Apr 04, 2022 12:48 pm


    Some observations :

    ( 1 ) The original large scale pincer movement along Ukrainian border , was at least effective against incursions by their forces into Russian territory , and forcing them to do any fighting on their territory . It was at least sufficient in this regard . We may call this a security zone , that may have to be established again . The depth need not be great , but enough to put artillery attacks , out of action . Missiles like tochka , are being intercepted , therefore no need for security zone to be 180 km , deep .

    ( 2 ) Reasonable efforts , where possible , need to be made to save civilians . By providing corridors , or using smart munitions . However , the supply of such munitions may be limited , and they may be needed for use against possible NATO incursion or war . Therefore largesse , should not extend so far as to threaten defence against large NATO attack . Civilian casualties are an inevitable part of war .

    ( 3 ) The large scale attack against UA in Donbass , need not happen immediately . According to them , they are running low on ammunition . Getting supplies from the West in that region is difficult , since supplies have to cross the River , and are easily intercepted . Better wait , until they run out of Ammo . Then attack .

    ( 4 ) This military operation , can not be a limited one . The physical aspects of this Nazi regime , must be removed . But more importantly the mental aspects must be removed . Otherwise , there can be no solution . History must be written into the minds of Ukrainian people , so that peace can exist .

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    Post  Azi Mon Apr 04, 2022 12:56 pm

    flamming_python wrote:

    I told you guys I'm turning into Arkhangelsk. Whatever it is, it's contageous

    And hey bro we're stuck with Putin

    So I'm just making the best of a shitty deal cheers

    In all seriousness though we need to start mobilization. It's the psychological effect combined with other things. It can end the war quicker.

    It's also an insurance policy against NATO - don't want them to have any ideas about coming in.
    There is a military aspect of the conflict and a political aspect of the conflict! From the military point it's good to end the war quick, from political point the war MUST last very long. Why? Only a long lasting conflict gives Russia the chance to swallow Novorossiya if the conflict is fast over powers like China or India wouln't support Russia...because sovereignty bla bla. After a while the international community will get tired of the conflict and will say: we don't care do what you want Very Happy haha. It's classic in international politics.

    But of course I am for a partial mobilization, this would reduce Russias losses in Ukraine significant. An advantage in mapower gives you always an advantage in every aspect.

    One of the reasons why Russia is not using EVERYTHING they have and with a big mobilization...MONEY! Every war costs money and Russia is trying to reduce the costs to a minimum. They learned from the disaster of USA in Iraq and Afghanistan...from the ~700 billion $ USA spends in it's military ~250 billion are for maintenance and infrastructure and ~180 billion $ personnel costs.

    By the way...with the troop movement from north to south of Ukraine Russia should have in Donbass a significant advantage in manpower and equipment. I think Ukraine can't move big columns across the country.
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    Post  Hole Mon Apr 04, 2022 1:16 pm

    https://sonar21.com/bucha-massacre-a-ukrainian-false-flag/
    Larry Johnson about the war and the "massacre"

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