So if you are already so angry, then take your rifle and go help the Russian army. What are you talking nonsense about here, coward?
Kiev would love that... get the Russians angry to get them to commit warcrimes too and then they can parade stuff they don't have to fake to western media proving what evil monsters the Russians are.
The secret is to relax... Kiev is the den of monsters, Russias job is to make them pay for their crimes, but not to become monsters themselves.
Of course it doesn't matter a lot in practical terms because Russia is now going to look to the rest of the world for its future so the opinion of the west is like the opinion of the people deep in the jungle of New Guinea.
But this is about removing the monsters from power in the Ukraine and letting the people of the Ukraine choose their own leadership for real, which means agreements with those in power at the moment means nothing... entertainment... a distraction for Kiev, while the bulk of the Ukrainian army is dealt with.
So ready you are to throw us into the meat grinder hahaha but what can be expected from cute westerners watching it all from YouTube
No you should not be mandating Russians to go die in a lost cause
The members on this forum had nothing to do with this situation, this was created by the 1% in the US, who we have no influence over.
Getting rid of their regime in the Ukraine is not a lost cause.... it is a certainty, and more importantly although many wont understand it now you are doing this for the benefit of Russia and Russians but also Ukraine and Ukrainians because the west was never going to fix the Ukraine... never going to spend any money on it... when it is done with them they will be discarded.
Conversely they were a threat to Russia moving forward... they didn't have the force numbers to do anything conventionally, but with nukes and bio weapons they were more of a danger than anything the US has ever faced.
And then defending scum like deripaska and his putin and medinsky for not carpet bombing Ukraine
So you are a nazi too, you want ukrainian civilians killed in enormous numbers in the hope you might get some of the nazis... so glad you are not in charge.
Basically you are saying : "but but but the poor civilians! Poor brother nazis!"
The nazis are embedded into their military and political structures in a way they can't just be washed out easily... the poor civilians he is talking about are the ones that want to speak Russian and have better relations with Russia... Zelensky got voted in to power by saying he wanted better relations with Russia and to end the fighting in the Donbass and Lugansk... those civilians voted for him to do that... doesn't sound like the sort of thing real nazis would do... they would have gone for Poro and his solution of war and joining HATO and EU... well they got the first bit anyway.
Oh I understand quite clearly, after seeing our guys come back maimed and destroyed
And then seeing sobbing for ukropians
The people of the Donbass and Lugansk who are fighting side by side with Russia in this war, who have been fighting the last 8 years are Ukrainians.
Instead of leveling Ukraine and walking in there victorious , we will juggle on the unicycle
Levelling the place kills civilians and their homes and businesses... most of the time the soldiers walk away from such attacks and continue to fight.
US attacks on cities in Iraq weren't over in 10 hours... they didn't just level the place and job done... they levelled the place and then the job started...
I think its time you say sorry to PapaDragon, he was right after all. It took you more than a month to realize what he had understood in the early days. He got banned though so won't be able to reply, but he may still be browsing this forum as guest and see your post.
PD drinks the cool aide...
The mother of all insurgencies.... only for the defenceless civilians they are going to get killed using them as meatshields to fire at Russians from behind, and all the civilians conscripted into their own army that they chain up and use as cannon fodder.
The west will try to blame Russia, but the people will know who did this.
Meanwhile, on "civilized" western social media:
Want to buy an anti-Russia T-shirt?.
Even their fictional heros hide their faces...
It doesn't matter at all even if 2 million Ukrainians die. What counts in the end is the territory you hold. If Russia finally conquers only Novorossiya and makes it independent or incorporates it, the rest of Ukraine will be free to do whatever they want. Like I wrote russian troops not only withdrew from Kiev, they withdrew from the WHOLE northern front...they occupy only a small part in the area of Sumy. A area large as Belgium and netherland together was given up where NAZIs can roam freely and do whatever NAZIshit they want to do.
Russia is operating with a much smaller force than the Orcs have so a siege on cities does not make sense. Mobile warfare and encirclements of enemy forces is what you want to do... they encircled the Orc forces near Donbass and also sent forces towards the south and Kiev so the rest of the Orc force could not be mobilised to relieve and support the Donbass pocket... having pinned most of the Orc forces where they were essentially they have spent the first weeks of the war taking out ammo and fuel depots and taking out storage areas of tanks and aircraft and also all their military industrial complex that could fix and keep their army working in operational conditions.... now holding orc forces near Kiev no longer makes any sense... staying there does not serve any purpose because they no longer have the military vehicles or fuel supplies to move normal armoured forces from the rest of the country to the Donbass. By weakening them like this any forces moving will be dribs and drabs that can be picked off by helicopters and attack aircraft as well as artillery and then they can just start crushing the pockets of the majority of the Orc army in the Donbass.
There is no need to level the Ukraines cities... if the Kiev ever manages to piss the Russians off then attacks on wheat fields and economic targets and they will really suffer.
And don't forget that the western world will pour hundreds of billions of dollars into Ukraine.
No they wont. Americans and westerners poured money into Haiti and none of it got spend in Haiti... and in 6 months after the conflict... or even 6 days they wont care any more anyway.
When the price of petrol is 12 dollars a litre they could care less about Ukraine.
My only concern is that denazification in Ukraine is failing!
They are doing what they do... the locals will want them dead more than the Russians will...
Shock and Awe does not work... it has never worked... it is just more Western propaganda bullshit.
Well look how they look now, harping on about some meaningless victories in donbass
Where most of the orc army is located... it was the force that was supposed to invade the Donbass and then the Crimea... it is all their best soldiers and weapons... it is what they need to destroy.
Western clowns on both sides sit in chairs rooting for their favorite variety of killed Russians
They really won this big time on us
They got what they wanted, they wanted a war with Russia to weaken Russia to break Russia to get Russians to want to overthrow Putin and put some idiot into power, so you are helping them more than we are.
But the real core is they were always going to win the propaganda battle in the west, there is no independent voice in western media, no critical thinking... they just print what they are told to print and when it turns out to be a lie they put the new lies for today on the front pages and hide the retraction on page 59.
Russia has stopped taking Euros and US dollars and is going to be trading with everyone in different currencies... when more countries do this... this is going to destroy the US economy as it is based now... they are shooting themselves in the foot.
What is funny is half the guy's here wanting me to pickup a rifle
Get real quiet at work or around their friends when asked what they think about the war
You cowards are scared of losing your jobs and your Twitter accounts then of fighting for what you believe in
While it's very easy for you to send us into a war you have no stake or skin in
Well it's better for you to shut your mouth the next time your at your companies coffee rooms right
When you are the boss you say what you like.
And cowards like the Ukrainians have been for the last 8 years... of course some probably loved the anti Russia shit, but I doubt they loved the poverty and destruction of their once proud industries and capabilities... nazis are not good with the money side.... the west is not good at building up economies... it seems they have forgotten the basics.
These nazis will never go away on their own, you had to deal with them at some point and dealing with them now before bio weapons and nukes are ready is the right time.
What the Nazis are doing to Russian prisoners and civilians is clearly wrong, for the Russians to start doing the same would also be just as wrong.... don't you love the clarity.... so many believe the west is a force for good and Russia is bad, but this objectively proves the west is a force for bad and their stooges in the Ukraine are also a force for actual evil.... they are trying to goad you in to being as evil as they are and you are resisting... or your military is resisting.
Ironic an Athiest talking about a war between good and evil.... because normally it is not this clear cut... though ironically that is because most of the wars of the last few decades have been western colonial economic wars, but the moral wars.... Russian and Iranian troops helping Syrian troops in Syria, and this conflict right now and the conflict in Georgia were clearly righteous wars that were necessary.
Ask Vlad how he felt being suffocated by his own body as it failed him... we can be certain if he knew what was coming this conflict happening 5 years ago would have been something he would be grabbing his rifle and signing on the dotted line, because killing nazis threatening Russia is what serving your country is all about... and their behaviour just makes shooting them in combat so much easier to do with a clear conscience.
What is wrong is simply wrong! Don't kill civilians!!! Then Russia is exactly what is being broadcast non-stop in western media. But they are better.
Lots of members who support the west claim I am part Russian or married to a Russian or all sorts of things like that.
Nope. No Russian at all.... completely Anglosaxon... I don't even know any Russians personally in my private life.
Why do I support them?
Because they are right and the west is wrong. Putin is honest and open and not like western politicians at all... he actually cares about Russia and Russians.
Ahh, I hear you say but he is killing Russians right now.... true, but to save all of them sometimes you need to risk quite a lot as well and contract soldiers signed up not for the money, but to defend their country.
When was the last time a western soldier actually defended their country with their life?
Which war was America or Europe actually threatened... a long time.
I think the west only catalyzes its own decay and accelerates it. In one fell swoop they lose the geostrategic weight of Russia and Central Asia which they will need in the fight against China.
For the west it is even worse than that... they don't just lose Russia, they add Russia to China... a peer enemy with better air defence and other military systems including a nuclear arsenal better than the wests, being added to what China has become... and is continuing to grow in to... and India is looking at the Ukraine and probably thinking they picked the wrong side, their future as an independent power is much brighter than it could ever be as Americas bitch because they wont rank as high as the EU and UK most of the time...
Whatever popsicle, it's not like you'd say half what you say here to your colleagues anyway
He is not in the Army now because he did say to his colleagues what he thought was true... and they have ignored him at their peril.
Let Levy leave
That shameless neo-con propagandist is of questionable value dead, and Russia can't take him hostage and interrogate him either. If he hasn't picked up a gun then he's just a foreign civilian stuck in Mariupol, so far as the conventions of war go.
As for all the combatants, foreign or not - the only way out is surrender.
Let an instigator and agitator leave, but Putin must face court for his crimes.
He is a foreign merc, the geneva convention and the Hague conventions don't apply...
He is no innocent bystander or theory guy that lives in an ivory tower in some western university... he was on site managing the defence and operations... he is essentially part of the millitary planning team... he might have lots of useful information... certainly an important person they could swap for people they might want back from the west.
If russians knows him and recognize him he is dead. He talks too much and he basically led the french in Lybia. He will be killed with no pitty IMO.
He has created serious damage for Russia and now the west, but he is more valuable alive... keep him prisoner for a year or two while you decide who you want to trade him for...
He's not directing military strategy
About the propaganda war and whatever, leave him be. Soft power my ass. Let him take the boat back to Odessa, or Marseilles, or wherever he wants to go
Showing that you're scared of his neo-con info-war power is just a sign of weakness.
He is not there to smell the roses...
Putin needs to take responsibility and put his elites in line
Why... are different opinions not to be tolerated?
They are prideful people, I wouldn't be surprised if they exit the stage with this mediocrity being passed off as a strategy
I am sure they are enjoying the opportunity to kill nazis and practise their trade... there were plenty of anti Russian chechens there too to deal with, and of course quite a few westerners that helped the anti Russian side in the chechen conflict they will want to settle scores with too.
Who's right and who's wrong can be decided when the country is no longer at war.
When it comes to opinions both can be right or both could be wrong.
By "pure chance" this correlates 100% to what adversaries of Russia engage in the informational field. Yet we host such guys in a Russia defence forum, go figure
Important to accept that even Russians can be victims of western propaganda... or just plain be wrong.
Someone said thet he likely tries to run dressed as a woman. Let's hope he succeeds of course after consummation by a bunch of horney azonazi . then gets a boat trying to navigate to France but ., darn winds will blow towards Libya. Where he's gonna be properly welcomed
Or if he is captured they can interrogate him for a couple of months and swap him for someone Russia wants back.... some chechen rebel scum, or as you mention... send him to face trial for his crimes in Libya...
And if he didn't say it, so then hurry up and make the deal with Kiev that you were demanding from the beginning - neutrality for the Ukraine, recognition of DNR/LNR independence, and recognition of Russian Crimea.
Right now the Russian leadership is trying to sit on 2 chairs and appease everybody
Zelenskys signature on a document isn't worth shit.... it is a distraction while the Russian army and airforce and navy get things done.
My mind is set after the Bucha 'massacre' honestly
If they really did shell their own people just for yet another propaganda movie..
Then they will stop at absolutely nothing. That means Russia cannot either. But Russia must convince the Ukrainian people of the truth of the people ruling them.
People who commit such atrocities not just against enemy soldiers but also their own civilians are not worth worrying about... in this conflict Russia is clearly on the right side... and I suspect there will be plenty of their own conscripted soldiers who will reveal what their superiors were doing to civilians and others...
This is a pretty open and shut case.
And not something that would have just gone away or could be ignored forever...
this can be done like Japs after 45 and 2 nukes? no way to "convince" people before they are freed from brainwashing.
They have to be broken out of the cage before they realise they were in one.
Funny how the bickering at the leadership level translates to the bickering here on the forum
Forum members disagree on all sorts of things, nothing at all new there.
So the MOD are lying that they destroyed the vast majority of buks and all S-300s. Less than 20 buks isnt "extremely heavy air defense "
Not lying at all. If they have 500 mobile air defence vehicles like Strela-10 and BUK and S-300 and Tunguska and TOR, and over 400 of those systems are known to have been destroyed then you would say the vast majority are destroyed... especially when all the radars and comms centres and HQs of the IADS were also hit and taken out.
The point is that if they had only 80 of those types of vehicles operational and hidden and scattered around the place together with Stingers and old Iglas then it actually still constituted the best air defences they have ever faced operationally in the last 40 years, but of course over time vehicles used will get picked off and diminished but MANPADS will remain a threat no matter what so the airspace is still dangerous.
Anglo-Saxons now planning to hit India with nuclear weapons because India decided to buy Russian oil.
Who is this Andy Scrotumlicker and why do you think he is in charge of UK foreign policy?
Before the start of this conflict Ukraine was credited with quite a substantial AD missile force. The Army had 4 AD Regiments that included some S-330V's, a couple of Tor-M's and substantial numbers of Strela-10's (sa-13), Osas (sa-Cool and Tunguskas. The Air Force was credited with 75 Buk-M1's and 250 S-300's as well as some S-125's (sa-3) in 6 AD brigades and 4 AD Regiments. That is quite a significant AD force that the Russians had to deal with.
With a working IADS it was probably better than all of HATOs ground based AD combined, and even with the IADS destroyed it is still dangerous.
Because it is mobile and easy to hide and capable.
They already have stolen the $300 billon that they froze, this is a given now.
It will be interesting to see how Russia responds.
There are rumors that the Ukrainians are holding hostage NATO(possibly French) advisors in the Mariupol steel factory.
How dumb are they... Russia probably wants them alive but wont lose any sleep if they die in the crossfire.
#FLASH—#Russia reports that pursuant to a request from #Erdogan, at midnight, on April 3, 2022, a green corridor will be open to allow "FOREIGN NATIONALS KEPT HOSTAGE by #Ukraine|ian nationalist battalions in certain districts of #Mariupol" to proceed to #Berdyansk, then #Crimea.
When they get to the Crimea I hope they will then be detained for their crimes against Russia...
They were not in the Ukraine for fun... and if even the nazis are turning on them they must be really annoying too.
"This is the top position for guided weapons: ATGM (ПС, 'противотанковые снаряды', 'anti-tank shells') and AAM (ВОЗД., 'AIR')
That is for setting Vikhr missiles to HEAT for anti armour use or HE Frag for air to air use or against soft targets. The switch pretty much sets the fuse in the missile so it is suitable for the target it is about to be used against.
Only this ridiculous withdrawal in the north east of Kyiv, completely absurd and now western agents and fuckers should flee?
To the Crimea... to Russia... for a chat...
What should the Russian soldiers think? Your victims are nothing worth if the whole thing is not taken for all times! Completely!
Russian soldiers are eliminating a serious threat to Russia and Russians, and talks mean nothing... if Kiev holds up a signed piece of paper and demands this or that... Russia can hold up the Minsk agreements and tear them up.
Kiev can say anything it pleases but Russia has not signed anything.
Anyone know which monuments they are protecting in Kiev?
Statues of Hitler and Goerbels?
Secretary of State Antony Blinken says Washington will “allow” lifting of sanctions to help Ukraine negotiate end to the war
Looks like DC is shitting bricks to do this
Anyway if washington is wanting to lift sanctions it looks like they've hit a wall , I just hope we don't take the bait
After all this loss of life I hope they don't try to restore ties with the countries still keen to kill Russians and steal Russian resources.
It is the west that needs to sit down and have a good look at itself... Russia is not the problem... and neither is Putin...
Later in his show, Todd asked former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, “Can we really live in a world where Putin’s let back into the new world order?” Clinton agreed with Blinken, saying the US should support Ukrainians as they choose “the best way forward” for their country.
WOW... the wicked witch of the west does not want Putins head... the Clintons must have lots of money and investments tied up in something that being cut off from Russia will destroy...
Even more reason to not negotiate any time soon.
Not in physical sense (at least in foreseeable future) but their goal is drive a wedge between Russia , China and India. The stepping up of info war shows clearly desperation of west. Their economical position are crumbling. They are desperate to keep Frankenstein moving...
The UK has been trying to drive a wedge between Russia and India for the last three centuries... and has failed miserably... in many situations driving them much closer together.
China/Russia/India should be more active in setting up trade relations and currency swaps for developing nations, to prevent them falling into economic chaos as a result of devaluation or financial assaults.
And build up its navy to the point where it can provide practical support to sea lines of communication (SLOC) that will help those countries trade and grow... together with the Chinese who will want the same, if India gets on board too India could buy Chinese and Russian naval vessels and the problems of protecting the SLOC free can be simplified and reduced to manageable levels.