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    Post  Regular Thu Mar 31, 2022 1:38 pm

    Big_Gazza wrote:
    Serberus wrote:My guess is front MTLB is Ukranian and the vehicles at the back are Russian, in the first few days of the war near Kiev it was a bit of a mess, Ukrainians appeared to have hit a few Russian columns with artillery disregarding their own civilian infrastructure around them and destroyed a decent amount of equipment, plenty of those images doing the rounds, and I remember several instances of Russian columns running into Ukranian ones with both taking losses, which is what appears to have occurred here. Most likely from early on as well. Regardless of what really occurred , not a photo I would use to make any concrete claims with.

    Why does a vehicle that appears to be a civilian passenger car carry a "Russian" V?  Are there any trucks there that are unmistakably Russian-only?

    Knowing what I know about the Ukro-orcs conduct in this conflict, I'd be willing to believe that the car was a civvie casualty painted up post-conflict as a propaganda ploy.


    Russians use plenty of civilian vehicles, but unlike Ukrainian side - they mark them. Officers, medics, and other personnel use them. DNR/LNR is also using them as they are not as mobile as the Russian army. Mostly their own cars. Hence why they mark them.

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    Post  Regular Thu Mar 31, 2022 1:40 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    mavaff wrote:So guys there is a conspiracy story coming up that says that in Mariupol there is some very high profile Western official (most likely French) that they are trying to get out, already 3 choppers have been downed....
    If confirmed (and if confirmed French) this can blow up any Macron chance to be elected again.

    If he's an official and took no part in the fighting then let him come out. So long as it's just him.
    Probably Bernard Levy, who was spotted in Odessa a couple of weeks into the conflict.
    Much as I hate his guts - he's a non-combatant

    If we're talking about French SF or officers who were directing the fighting - then I'm afraid it's the white flag only

    Most likely Bernard Levy. It's his fault Mariupol fell Smile

    Now, it would be much safer for him just to give up to DNR/Russian troops than fly in a helicopter.
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    Post  flamming_python Thu Mar 31, 2022 1:45 pm

    RTN wrote:Both the sides lack precision guided shells like the M982 Excalibur. Russia does have a few Krasnopol but they are not as accurate as the Excalibur. Ukraine barely has any guided shells.

    Another claim with no evidence for it?

    The Pentagon was earlier talking about how Russia was running out of cruise missiles a mere week into the conflict

    As I heard from some acquaintance - the words at one of these metallurgical companies we have in Russia were literally like 'we're evacuating to the Urals!' when the war started. Even if there was a deficit of Kransopols before, believe me there ain't any more; Russia will have a million of them before long.

    So how is arty on either side causing large scale attrition?

    Bah bah bah boom boom boom

    Agree with you that on the Russian side most of the damage has been caused by Ukrainian air power, including armed drones.

    I meant from the Ukrainian side, a lot has been destroyed by Russian air power.

    Ukrainian air power? Their MiGs and most of their Bayraktars were taken out on the first night by cruise missile strikes against the aerodromes.
    Then we saw like 3-4 vids from the Bayraktars during the first 10 days, then nothing. The Russian MoD keeps claiming more shot-down every week, looks like the Midnight Express from Turkey to Slovakia and into the Ukraine hasn't been giving visible results since then.
    They had some Su-27s flying, but they are air to air only and were already defeated quite early on.
    Ukrainian Mi-24s and Su-25s were flying up to 2-3 weeks into the conflict. Those things can take off and land from lots of places, so the Ukrainians might have hidden them. They probably did a bit of damage, but it's minuscule compared to everything else. There was that Ukrainian Su-24 which was shot down recently. Maybe donated by an ex-Warsaw Pact member. But that's risky business.


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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Thu Mar 31, 2022 1:47 pm

    Krasnopol (1m CEP) is more accurate than Excalibur (4-6m CEP) and can also hit pinpoint targets moving up to 50km/h or so. It is also far cheaper than Excalibur per round, but it is a fundamentally different system, as it requires a laser dot to home in on, usually provided by a drone. Excalibur just goes for whatever coordinates you gave it, so it doesn't need active target illumination.

    There are GLONASS-guided Krasnopol variants, so essentially Russian Excaliburs, but I don't know if they've been fielded.

    There's also the older Soviet Tsentimetr system that the USSR used in Afghanistan in the 80s, also laser-guided, but less accurate than Krasnopol, and I doubt it's still in service.

    Anyway, it seems to me that Krasnopol has been used quite a lot in this conflict so far, as well as other PGMs, but the main killer is definitely still old school arty.

    Anyway, lots of talk since yesterday in Russian circles about preparations to just level Azovstal to the ground with aerial bombardment. Supposedly some British intelligence found indications of such plans as well.

    I have no idea if they keep any civilians hostage there, but if they don't then why not.


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    Post  Dima Thu Mar 31, 2022 2:59 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    mavaff wrote:So guys there is a conspiracy story coming up that says that in Mariupol there is some very high profile Western official (most likely French) that they are trying to get out, already 3 choppers have been downed....
    If confirmed (and if confirmed French) this can blow up any Macron chance to be elected again.

    If he's an official and took no part in the fighting then let him come out. So long as it's just him.
    Probably Bernard Levy, who was spotted in Odessa a couple of weeks into the conflict.
    Much as I hate his guts - he's a non-combatant

    If we're talking about French SF or officers who were directing the fighting - then I'm afraid it's the white flag only
    Can see your heart weeping for the "non-combatants", who most likely were the "advisors" and masters guiding the civilized Nazi's against the uncivilized Russian speaking population.
    Not an ounce of sympathy for these $cums, all of them need to be destroyed.

    Hope the mentioned VIP is true and wish that French nazi jewish $cum has his end there. He did his job in Afghanistan and helped the the west romaticize the muhjadeen and even coined the likes of Ahmed Shah Masood, with title of Lion of Panjshir, even though its a different matter that there was a deal between him and Soviet which sort of kept them off from fighting.

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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Thu Mar 31, 2022 3:33 pm

    DNR says one of the UA Mi-8s heading towards Azovstal to evacuate some important asset was shot down using a fresh western MANPADS captured earlier.


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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Thu Mar 31, 2022 3:57 pm

    DNR has established a new Mariupol administration. Cleaning up and reconstruction to begin shortly.

    Azov and some VSU are still around in significant numbers, some say up several thousand, but most are concentrated to Azovstal. They're pinned down, haven't received any supplies for weeks and it's already over. Locals say civvies are there too though, so no carpet bombing just yet. Some presumable Krasnopol hits on armored vehicles over the past hours though.


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    Post  JohninMK Thu Mar 31, 2022 4:00 pm

    Not sure if this is the right place for this but it is relevant, interesting and quire concerning.



    Ukrainian forces continue to capture, or at least stumble across, examples of some of Russia's most sophisticated ground combat hardware as the conflict in the country rages on. Just this past weekend, pictures emerged online showing a Russian radar-equipped air defense command post vehicle, part of a larger system known as Barnaul-T, that Ukrainian troops found during a counteroffensive in the northeastern Kharkiv region. The fact that this vehicle is intended to serve as a sensor, command and control, and communications node all rolled into one could make it a particularly invaluable source of intelligence for Ukrainian and foreign governments, as well as be a significant operational loss for Russian forces.

    A Ukrainian unit reportedly found this vehicle relatively intact, also known by the nomenclature 9S932-1 and the acronym MRU-B, among other Russian vehicles and artillery pieces, in the town of Husarivka. The 9S932-1 is most readily identifiable by its 1L122 surveillance and target acquisition radar, which is mounted on the top rear portion of the hull and is folded down during transit. There was also a TZM-T dedicated reloading vehicle for the TOS-1A thermobaric artillery rocket launch system, another uncommon find.

    Ukrainian forces appear to come across at least three examples of this particular component of the Barnaul-T system in the course of what has now been nearly five weeks of fighting. What looks to have been a second 9S932-1 was found in relatively good condition in the Kharkiv region sometime around March 12. A third one was captured near the capital Kyiv on or about March 3 and was apparently so pristine that it was then pressed into Ukrainian service in an unclear capacity.

    Barnaul-T, as a complete system, which first began to enter Russian service in 2009 and is said to have reached an initial operational capability by 2011, is designed to network together various short-range air defense (SHORAD) systems and be mobile enough to work closely together with advancing ground forces. It is reportedly a very modern and highly automated system intended to enhance the ability of air defense forces to rapidly spot and engage a variety of threats across an entire section of the battlespace.

    Elements of the Barnaul-T system have been in use in fighting in Ukraine since at least 2015. Examples of the 9S932-1 specifically have been seen operating in the country since the Russian military launched its all-out invasion of the country in February.

    A video, seen below, emerged just this week that reportedly shows Russian forces using a 9K35 Strela-10 mobile short-range surface-to-air missile system, supported by a 9S932-1 command post vehicle, to shoot down a relatively small Ukrainian octocopter-type unmanned aerial system.

    The 9S932-1, which uses a modified MT-LBu multi-purpose tracked vehicle, serves as a battery command post within the complete system. It is directly linked to units equipped with various SHORAD systems, such as tracked Tor-M-series (SA-15) and 9K35 Strela (SA-13) surface-to-air missile systems, 9K33 Osa (SA-Cool wheeled surface-to-air missile systems, 2K22 Tunguska (SA-19) tracked air defense systems, and 9K333 Verba (SA-25) shoulder-fired surface-to-air missiles, also known as a man-portable air-defense systems (MANPADS).

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    Additional equipment is necessary in certain cases to link the 9S932-1s to different SHORAD systems. As just one example, the 9K333 Verba uses an add-on system known as the 9S935 to connect it to the broader Barnaul-T network via a standalone 9S933 fire control module at the platoon level.

    The video below provides an overview of the complete Verba system, including the 9S933 and 9S935.

    Just today, a video emerged that reportedly shows a 9S935 system still neatly packed in its transit case after its capture by Ukrainian forces.

    Thanks to their integrated 1L122 radars, 9S932-1s can provide direct target cueing for the SHORAD systems they are tied to via datalinks. They can also pass along targeting information from other ground-based radars via other mobile command posts within the Barnaul-T system, such as the intermediate 9S931 MP tracked and 9S931-1 MP-K wheeled types, at higher echelons. They can feed their own data back into the overall network, as well.

    It's worth noting that there are now multiple versions of the Barnaul-T system that use other mixtures of command post vehicles, including variants based on the BTR-MDM, an air-droppable multi-purpose tracked vehicle, specifically for airborne units.

    From an immediate operational perspective, Ukrainian forces capturing or otherwise eliminating 9S932-1s, or any other component of the Barnaul-T system, can only limit the ability of their Russian opponents to provide effective air defense coverage for their units. Neutralizing Russian ground-based air defense capabilities has been one important component of the Ukrainian armed forces' successful efforts to ensure that the skies above the country remain contested, even after more than four weeks of fighting.

    More importantly, captured 9S932-1s and other elements of the Barnaul-T are certainly an invaluable source of intelligence on Russian air defense systems, radars, data links, and more. Just being able to test the capabilities of the 1L122 radar would provide useful insights into the ability of Russia's short-range air defense networks to spot and engage a variety of threats, including small drones. Acquiring detailed data on this radar's specific signature could help when it comes to developing capabilities to detect and counter them, as well.

    Beyond the radar, these vehicles carry various communications and data-sharing systems, and what could be gleaned about how data is encoded and transferred from the software that runs them could be just as valuable, if not more so, than what one might be able to learn from physical components themselves. A vehicle like this could also contain coded identification friend or foe (IFF) data that Russian forces use to help avoid accidentally targeting friendly aircraft. All of this information could be exploited for both electronic and cyber warfare purposes.

    At the same time, the physical construction of portions of these mobile command posts, right down to things like the wiring, could be a source of useful industrial intelligence. Any documents or other ancillary items found inside them could provide additional insights into Russian capabilities and operating procedures.

    With all this in mind, the Ukrainian government's international partners, such as the United States, are likely to be interested in at least examing these mobile air defense command posts, if not taking complete examples out of the country for deeper analysis, as part of so-called foreign materiel exploitation (FME) programs. Of course, American and other foreign intelligence agencies may have already gained access to 9S932-1s captured in Ukraine, or through other, unrelated means.

    Regardless, the current war in Ukraine is already leaving the country with a treasure trove of examples of some of Russia's most advanced equipment, not just the 9S932-1s. Earlier this month, Ukrainian forces captured part of a Krasukha-4, one of Russia's most modern and capable electronic warfare systems, as you can read more about here. Elements of Ukraine's armed forces have captured multiple vehicles associated with the Borisoglebsk-2, another mobile electronic warfare system, and at least one Zoopark-1M, a mobile counter-battery radar used to detect incoming artillery fire and determine its source for counterattacks.

    Since it gained independence from the Soviet Union in 1991, Ukraine has already been a notable source of higher-end systems, from fighter jets to ground-based air defense radars, for the U.S. government's FME enterprise. Some of those systems may well now be headed back to Ukraine, as the U.S. military digs into its FME stocks to find systems to help bolster Ukraine's own air defense capabilities, as you can find out more about here.

    Altogether, for every system like the 9S932-1 that Ukrainian forces capture, they are not only hampering Russian forces' ability to operate in the country, they are also potentially exposing new details and providing new insights about some of their most advanced capabilities.


    https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/44981/ukraine-captured-one-of-russias-newest-air-defense-systems
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    Post  d_taddei2 Thu Mar 31, 2022 4:02 pm

    Dr.Snufflebug wrote:DNR has established a new Mariupol administration. Cleaning up and reconstruction to begin shortly.

    Azov and some VSU are still around in significant numbers, mostly in Azovstal, but they're pinned down and it's already over. Locals say civvies are there too though, so now carpet bombing just yet. Some Krasnopol hits on vehicles over the past hours though.

    Bring in snipers with 12.7mm rifles, they will show their ugly Nazi heads at some point. Also SF watching there every move calling in krasnopol. They have an option die by Russian bullet or artillery round or starve to death. Even if they give up they should get the same treatment that they have Russian POWs' bullets. Nazi terrorists have no rights.

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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Thu Mar 31, 2022 4:12 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Not sure if this is the right place for this but it is relevant, interesting and quire concerning.



    Ukrainian forces continue to capture, or at least stumble across, examples of some of Russia's most sophisticated ground combat hardware as the conflict in the country rages on. Just this past weekend, pictures emerged online showing a Russian radar-equipped air defense command post vehicle, part of a larger system known as Barnaul-T, that Ukrainian troops found during a counteroffensive in the northeastern Kharkiv region. The fact that this vehicle is intended to serve as a sensor, command and control, and communications node all rolled into one could make it a particularly invaluable source of intelligence for Ukrainian and foreign governments, as well as be a significant operational loss for Russian forces.

    A Ukrainian unit reportedly found this vehicle relatively intact, also known by the nomenclature 9S932-1 and the acronym MRU-B, among other Russian vehicles and artillery pieces, in the town of Husarivka. The 9S932-1 is most readily identifiable by its 1L122 surveillance and target acquisition radar, which is mounted on the top rear portion of the hull and is folded down during transit. There was also a TZM-T dedicated reloading vehicle for the TOS-1A thermobaric artillery rocket launch system, another uncommon find.

    Ukrainian forces appear to come across at least three examples of this particular component of the Barnaul-T system in the course of what has now been nearly five weeks of fighting. What looks to have been a second 9S932-1 was found in relatively good condition in the Kharkiv region sometime around March 12. A third one was captured near the capital Kyiv on or about March 3 and was apparently so pristine that it was then pressed into Ukrainian service in an unclear capacity.

    Barnaul-T, as a complete system, which first began to enter Russian service in 2009 and is said to have reached an initial operational capability by 2011, is designed to network together various short-range air defense (SHORAD) systems and be mobile enough to work closely together with advancing ground forces. It is reportedly a very modern and highly automated system intended to enhance the ability of air defense forces to rapidly spot and engage a variety of threats across an entire section of the battlespace.

    Elements of the Barnaul-T system have been in use in fighting in Ukraine since at least 2015. Examples of the 9S932-1 specifically have been seen operating in the country since the Russian military launched its all-out invasion of the country in February.

    A video, seen below, emerged just this week that reportedly shows Russian forces using a 9K35 Strela-10 mobile short-range surface-to-air missile system, supported by a 9S932-1 command post vehicle, to shoot down a relatively small Ukrainian octocopter-type unmanned aerial system.

    The 9S932-1, which uses a modified MT-LBu multi-purpose tracked vehicle, serves as a battery command post within the complete system. It is directly linked to units equipped with various SHORAD systems, such as tracked Tor-M-series (SA-15) and 9K35 Strela (SA-13) surface-to-air missile systems, 9K33 Osa (SA-Cool wheeled surface-to-air missile systems, 2K22 Tunguska (SA-19) tracked air defense systems, and 9K333 Verba (SA-25) shoulder-fired surface-to-air missiles, also known as a man-portable air-defense systems (MANPADS).

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #9 - Page 7 Message-editor%2F1648590867308-barnaul-t-diagram

    Additional equipment is necessary in certain cases to link the 9S932-1s to different SHORAD systems. As just one example, the 9K333 Verba uses an add-on system known as the 9S935 to connect it to the broader Barnaul-T network via a standalone 9S933 fire control module at the platoon level.

    The video below provides an overview of the complete Verba system, including the 9S933 and 9S935.

    Just today, a video emerged that reportedly shows a 9S935 system still neatly packed in its transit case after its capture by Ukrainian forces.

    Thanks to their integrated 1L122 radars, 9S932-1s can provide direct target cueing for the SHORAD systems they are tied to via datalinks. They can also pass along targeting information from other ground-based radars via other mobile command posts within the Barnaul-T system, such as the intermediate 9S931 MP tracked and 9S931-1 MP-K wheeled types, at higher echelons. They can feed their own data back into the overall network, as well.

    It's worth noting that there are now multiple versions of the Barnaul-T system that use other mixtures of command post vehicles, including variants based on the BTR-MDM, an air-droppable multi-purpose tracked vehicle, specifically for airborne units.

    From an immediate operational perspective, Ukrainian forces capturing or otherwise eliminating 9S932-1s, or any other component of the Barnaul-T system, can only limit the ability of their Russian opponents to provide effective air defense coverage for their units. Neutralizing Russian ground-based air defense capabilities has been one important component of the Ukrainian armed forces' successful efforts to ensure that the skies above the country remain contested, even after more than four weeks of fighting.

    More importantly, captured 9S932-1s and other elements of the Barnaul-T are certainly an invaluable source of intelligence on Russian air defense systems, radars, data links, and more. Just being able to test the capabilities of the 1L122 radar would provide useful insights into the ability of Russia's short-range air defense networks to spot and engage a variety of threats, including small drones. Acquiring detailed data on this radar's specific signature could help when it comes to developing capabilities to detect and counter them, as well.

    Beyond the radar, these vehicles carry various communications and data-sharing systems, and what could be gleaned about how data is encoded and transferred from the software that runs them could be just as valuable, if not more so, than what one might be able to learn from physical components themselves. A vehicle like this could also contain coded identification friend or foe (IFF) data that Russian forces use to help avoid accidentally targeting friendly aircraft. All of this information could be exploited for both electronic and cyber warfare purposes.

    At the same time, the physical construction of portions of these mobile command posts, right down to things like the wiring, could be a source of useful industrial intelligence. Any documents or other ancillary items found inside them could provide additional insights into Russian capabilities and operating procedures.

    With all this in mind, the Ukrainian government's international partners, such as the United States, are likely to be interested in at least examing these mobile air defense command posts, if not taking complete examples out of the country for deeper analysis, as part of so-called foreign materiel exploitation (FME) programs. Of course, American and other foreign intelligence agencies may have already gained access to 9S932-1s captured in Ukraine, or through other, unrelated means.

    Regardless, the current war in Ukraine is already leaving the country with a treasure trove of examples of some of Russia's most advanced equipment, not just the 9S932-1s. Earlier this month, Ukrainian forces captured part of a Krasukha-4, one of Russia's most modern and capable electronic warfare systems, as you can read more about here. Elements of Ukraine's armed forces have captured multiple vehicles associated with the Borisoglebsk-2, another mobile electronic warfare system, and at least one Zoopark-1M, a mobile counter-battery radar used to detect incoming artillery fire and determine its source for counterattacks.

    Since it gained independence from the Soviet Union in 1991, Ukraine has already been a notable source of higher-end systems, from fighter jets to ground-based air defense radars, for the U.S. government's FME enterprise. Some of those systems may well now be headed back to Ukraine, as the U.S. military digs into its FME stocks to find systems to help bolster Ukraine's own air defense capabilities, as you can find out more about here.

    Altogether, for every system like the 9S932-1 that Ukrainian forces capture, they are not only hampering Russian forces' ability to operate in the country, they are also potentially exposing new details and providing new insights about some of their most advanced capabilities.


    https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/44981/ukraine-captured-one-of-russias-newest-air-defense-systems

    This just sounds like a lot of fluff. They allegedly captured the same one abandoned component three times. Doesn't that rather indicate that the Russians aren't too worried about that particular component?

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    Post  franco Thu Mar 31, 2022 4:20 pm

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    NOTE: had read from one source this morning that another Ukrainian helo had aborted it's mission before reaching Mariupol. Must have been this group's ride.

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Thu Mar 31, 2022 4:22 pm

    If even 10 percent of that is true, I have lost some respect for the Russian armed forces.

    It's moronic to alloy such sensitive systems to fall into enemy hands.

    Thats if true tho and claims like these are often very very hard to verify.

    of course some of this is just false, claiming they found one of the systems just sitting there, The russians couldn't possibly be stupid enough to just leave it behind.


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    Dr.Snufflebug wrote:This just sounds like a lot of fluff. They allegedly captured the same one abandoned component three times. Doesn't that rather indicate that the Russians aren't too worried about that particular component?


    It's the Drive-L! Back in 2018 The Drive-L had dozens of articles claiming the Su-57 was a failed, abandoned project and hundreds of articles proclaiming the F-35's 'successes' lol! Rolling Eyes clown Their articles are only good for being printed out, and being used as bird cage liner. Wink pwnd

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    JohninMK wrote:Not sure if this is the right place for this but it is relevant, interesting and quire concerning.



    Ukrainian forces continue to capture, or at least stumble across, examples of some of Russia's most sophisticated ground combat hardware as the conflict in the country rages on. Just this past weekend, pictures emerged online showing a Russian radar-equipped air defense command post vehicle, part of a larger system known as Barnaul-T, that Ukrainian troops found during a counteroffensive in the northeastern Kharkiv region. The fact that this vehicle is intended to serve as a sensor, command and control, and communications node all rolled into one could make it a particularly invaluable source of intelligence for Ukrainian and foreign governments, as well as be a significant operational loss for Russian forces.

    A Ukrainian unit reportedly found this vehicle relatively intact, also known by the nomenclature 9S932-1 and the acronym MRU-B, among other Russian vehicles and artillery pieces, in the town of Husarivka. The 9S932-1 is most readily identifiable by its 1L122 surveillance and target acquisition radar, which is mounted on the top rear portion of the hull and is folded down during transit. There was also a TZM-T dedicated reloading vehicle for the TOS-1A thermobaric artillery rocket launch system, another uncommon find.

    Ukrainian forces appear to come across at least three examples of this particular component of the Barnaul-T system in the course of what has now been nearly five weeks of fighting. What looks to have been a second 9S932-1 was found in relatively good condition in the Kharkiv region sometime around March 12. A third one was captured near the capital Kyiv on or about March 3 and was apparently so pristine that it was then pressed into Ukrainian service in an unclear capacity.

    Barnaul-T, as a complete system, which first began to enter Russian service in 2009 and is said to have reached an initial operational capability by 2011, is designed to network together various short-range air defense (SHORAD) systems and be mobile enough to work closely together with advancing ground forces. It is reportedly a very modern and highly automated system intended to enhance the ability of air defense forces to rapidly spot and engage a variety of threats across an entire section of the battlespace.

    Elements of the Barnaul-T system have been in use in fighting in Ukraine since at least 2015. Examples of the 9S932-1 specifically have been seen operating in the country since the Russian military launched its all-out invasion of the country in February.

    A video, seen below, emerged just this week that reportedly shows Russian forces using a 9K35 Strela-10 mobile short-range surface-to-air missile system, supported by a 9S932-1 command post vehicle, to shoot down a relatively small Ukrainian octocopter-type unmanned aerial system.

    The 9S932-1, which uses a modified MT-LBu multi-purpose tracked vehicle, serves as a battery command post within the complete system. It is directly linked to units equipped with various SHORAD systems, such as tracked Tor-M-series (SA-15) and 9K35 Strela (SA-13) surface-to-air missile systems, 9K33 Osa (SA-Cool wheeled surface-to-air missile systems, 2K22 Tunguska (SA-19) tracked air defense systems, and 9K333 Verba (SA-25) shoulder-fired surface-to-air missiles, also known as a man-portable air-defense systems (MANPADS).

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    Additional equipment is necessary in certain cases to link the 9S932-1s to different SHORAD systems. As just one example, the 9K333 Verba uses an add-on system known as the 9S935 to connect it to the broader Barnaul-T network via a standalone 9S933 fire control module at the platoon level.

    The video below provides an overview of the complete Verba system, including the 9S933 and 9S935.

    Just today, a video emerged that reportedly shows a 9S935 system still neatly packed in its transit case after its capture by Ukrainian forces.

    Thanks to their integrated 1L122 radars, 9S932-1s can provide direct target cueing for the SHORAD systems they are tied to via datalinks. They can also pass along targeting information from other ground-based radars via other mobile command posts within the Barnaul-T system, such as the intermediate 9S931 MP tracked and 9S931-1 MP-K wheeled types, at higher echelons. They can feed their own data back into the overall network, as well.

    It's worth noting that there are now multiple versions of the Barnaul-T system that use other mixtures of command post vehicles, including variants based on the BTR-MDM, an air-droppable multi-purpose tracked vehicle, specifically for airborne units.

    From an immediate operational perspective, Ukrainian forces capturing or otherwise eliminating 9S932-1s, or any other component of the Barnaul-T system, can only limit the ability of their Russian opponents to provide effective air defense coverage for their units. Neutralizing Russian ground-based air defense capabilities has been one important component of the Ukrainian armed forces' successful efforts to ensure that the skies above the country remain contested, even after more than four weeks of fighting.

    More importantly, captured 9S932-1s and other elements of the Barnaul-T are certainly an invaluable source of intelligence on Russian air defense systems, radars, data links, and more. Just being able to test the capabilities of the 1L122 radar would provide useful insights into the ability of Russia's short-range air defense networks to spot and engage a variety of threats, including small drones. Acquiring detailed data on this radar's specific signature could help when it comes to developing capabilities to detect and counter them, as well.

    Beyond the radar, these vehicles carry various communications and data-sharing systems, and what could be gleaned about how data is encoded and transferred from the software that runs them could be just as valuable, if not more so, than what one might be able to learn from physical components themselves. A vehicle like this could also contain coded identification friend or foe (IFF) data that Russian forces use to help avoid accidentally targeting friendly aircraft. All of this information could be exploited for both electronic and cyber warfare purposes.

    At the same time, the physical construction of portions of these mobile command posts, right down to things like the wiring, could be a source of useful industrial intelligence. Any documents or other ancillary items found inside them could provide additional insights into Russian capabilities and operating procedures.

    With all this in mind, the Ukrainian government's international partners, such as the United States, are likely to be interested in at least examing these mobile air defense command posts, if not taking complete examples out of the country for deeper analysis, as part of so-called foreign materiel exploitation (FME) programs. Of course, American and other foreign intelligence agencies may have already gained access to 9S932-1s captured in Ukraine, or through other, unrelated means.

    Regardless, the current war in Ukraine is already leaving the country with a treasure trove of examples of some of Russia's most advanced equipment, not just the 9S932-1s. Earlier this month, Ukrainian forces captured part of a Krasukha-4, one of Russia's most modern and capable electronic warfare systems, as you can read more about here. Elements of Ukraine's armed forces have captured multiple vehicles associated with the Borisoglebsk-2, another mobile electronic warfare system, and at least one Zoopark-1M, a mobile counter-battery radar used to detect incoming artillery fire and determine its source for counterattacks.

    Since it gained independence from the Soviet Union in 1991, Ukraine has already been a notable source of higher-end systems, from fighter jets to ground-based air defense radars, for the U.S. government's FME enterprise. Some of those systems may well now be headed back to Ukraine, as the U.S. military digs into its FME stocks to find systems to help bolster Ukraine's own air defense capabilities, as you can find out more about here.

    Altogether, for every system like the 9S932-1 that Ukrainian forces capture, they are not only hampering Russian forces' ability to operate in the country, they are also potentially exposing new details and providing new insights about some of their most advanced capabilities.


    https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/44981/ukraine-captured-one-of-russias-newest-air-defense-systems



    We just need to be carefully about what the west says.

    Just night I made the mistake of checking CBC news and they said that the Ukrainian forces have retaken Kiev.

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    They deleted this tweet after loads of Poles expressed certain opinions... But saved for posterity.

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    So their idea of "outstanding Ukrainian national figures" are some morons guilty of brutal genocide (incl of Poles, hence the aforementioned Polish reaction) and Nazi collaborators.

    This is what Ukraine considers "Ukrainian"...

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    RussianDefense Ministry briefing (31.03.2022)

    ▫ ️Units of the Luhansk People's Republic continue their offensive operations on the outskirts of Severodonetsk, having advanced 2 kilometers into the defense of the 57th separate motorized infantry brigade during the day.

    💥 More than 40 personnel of the Ukrainian brigade, three infantry fighting vehicles, three vehicles for various purposes and two field warehouses of rocket and artillery weapons were destroyed.

    The group of troops of the Donetsk People's Republic, continuing the offensive, established control over part of the settlement Novobakhmutovka. It is engaged in a battle with units of the 25th Ukrainian Airborne Brigade on the outskirts of the village Novoselovka the Second. During the day, more than 50 nationalists, one tank, four infantry fighting vehicles, a field ammunition depot, and a five-car tanker convoy were destroyed.

    💥 During the day, operational and tactical aircraft hit 28 military facilities of Ukraine. Among them: four command posts, three field warehouses of rocket and artillery weapons, four fuel storage facilities and 6 areas of concentration of Ukrainian military equipment.

    💥 Russian Aerospace Defense forces shot down one Ukrainian Mi-24 helicopter in the air 30 kilometers west of the cityIzyum, as well as 4 Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles in the areas of populated areasTamarino, Lisichansk and Volnovakha.

    ▫ ️On the morning of March 31, the Kiev regime attempted to evacuate the command staff of the Azov regiment of Ukrainian nationalists from the city of Mariupol by two Mi-8 helicopters.

    💥 One Ukrainian Mi-8 helicopter was shot down and crashed near the village of Rybatskoye by the crew of a man-portable anti-aircraft missile system of the People's Militia of the Donetsk Republic from the captured American Stinger complex.

    💥 The second Ukrainian Mi-8 was damaged by a missile hit, dodged towards the sea, but crashed 20 kilometers from the coast.

    📊 Since the beginning of the special military operation, 124 aircraft and 80 helicopters, 345 unmanned aerial vehicles, 1,826 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, and 195 multiple launch rocket systems have been destroyed., 766 pieces of field artillery and mortars, as well as 1,704 units of special military vehicles.

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