Russian special military operation in Ukraine #7

Arkanghelsk wrote:Also Seig, the use of these weapons gave results at tactical level

They were not used at a strategic level, because all strategic targets were destroyed week 1

You don't employ weapons against  brigade level Barracks, brigade fuel storages, brigade vehicle depots, and brigade weapons and ammo sites to convey a message at the strategic or operational level

The targets are tactical,  so any message is received by the recipient, reserve brigades of the VSU

Any other "hidden messaging" is just a consequence of the strikes themselves

But not a political or military objective

The messaging you speak of was done week 1, with activation of RVSN, which dissuaded no fly zones, and fighter jet supplies

Thats the only messaging , that could be conveyed given the lack of deconfliction lines, diplomatic relations, and complete breakdown of communications with the west

Those are secondary results only, those are expensive weapons. Russia has cheaper weapons that could do the samething, there was one main reason why and the other reasons are merely secondary.

Imposing a no fly zone over Ukraine is hardly sending a message, the Russians have overwhelming superiority in this area. It was an expected result.

I am sorry but you are wrong Logically speaking and tactical speaking you are just wrong. From a tactical perspective makes no sense to use hypersonic UNLESS Russia fears Ukraine can intercept their other missiles. We have a difference in belief, we can leave it at that.

Python mentioned this morning some supposedly intercepted comms indicating nearly 370 dead and 400+ injuries, many with lost limbs etc, after the Yavoriv strike.

When the strike had just happened the Ukrainians said 10ish dead, then revised it to 35, then they put a lid on it, while mercs said 200+ in their own private channels, as they decided to ditch Ukraine

The Nikolaev strike has likewise climbed in a similar manner, now with around 50 acknowledged by the Ukrainians, but indications suggest 150+ at the very least, and possibly well over 200 there too. But the lid has been put on now.

Regardless of where it lands, I am surprised at how well the Ukrainians are running the information war. They have been very effective at downplaying or even silencing bad news, this while they've been able to produce a steady stream of great news, most of it being some serious mental gymnastics or just outright made up obviously, but it serves its purpose as it's gulped up far and wide.

This in spite or the fact that they haven't implemented the same strict opsec considerations as the Russians (who banned phones, kept standard battle propaganda at a minimum for weeks etc). So my assessment is that some 8 years of hardcore indoctrination has indeed produced a surprising degree of ideological coherence in the VSU. Otherwise, way more of them would have dropped details as the mercs did, who went to the same battlefields but weren't shy to admit that all they saw was just doom and gloom.

SeigSoloyvov wrote:

Arkanghelsk wrote:Also Seig, the use of these weapons gave results at tactical level

They were not used at a strategic level, because all strategic targets were destroyed week 1

You don't employ weapons against  brigade level Barracks, brigade fuel storages, brigade vehicle depots, and brigade weapons and ammo sites to convey a message at the strategic or operational level

The targets are tactical,  so any message is received by the recipient, reserve brigades of the VSU

Any other "hidden messaging" is just a consequence of the strikes themselves

But not a political or military objective

The messaging you speak of was done week 1, with activation of RVSN, which dissuaded no fly zones, and fighter jet supplies

Thats the only messaging , that could be conveyed given the lack of deconfliction lines, diplomatic relations, and complete breakdown of communications with the west

Those are secondary results only, those are expensive weapons. Russia has cheaper weapons that could do the samething, there was one main reason why and the other reasons are merely secondary.

Imposing a no fly zone over Ukraine is hardly sending a message, the Russians have overwhelming superiority in this area. It was an expected result.

I am sorry but you are wrong Logically speaking and tactical speaking you are just wrong. From a tactical perspective makes no sense to use hypersonic UNLESS Russia fears Ukraine can intercept their other missiles. We have a difference in belief, we can leave it at that.

Ukrainian AD is still a threat. Ballistic and cruise missiles are still needed to hit western parts.

But there is one thing this war will teach them, tgey don't need state of art 2000km range missiles forbplebty of targets. A cheap ballistic or cruise missile with 300km range with good accuracy would have done the work for plenty of targets.

They focused too much on bypassing defences that don't exist in most battlefields. Kalibr, Oniks, Iskander kh-101 and kinzhal aren't a game changer here. They could have used very cheap subsonic missiles with good seakers and the result would have been the same.

All their neighbours aren't manning AD systems that require those missiles. They need quantity over quality here.

Kalibr, oniks... are needed against US ships and bases protected by good systems. But on the ground even US troop during a war aren't protected by such AD systems and a dumb cheap missile would do the job.

Additional Chechen special forces have arrived in Mariupol.

https://t.me/intelslava/22864




In the liberated Melitopol, the fighters of the territorial defense continue to voluntarily hand over to the armed forces of the Russian Federation the firearms previously issued to them.


https://t.me/intelslava/22865

Isos wrote:

SeigSoloyvov wrote:

Arkanghelsk wrote:Also Seig, the use of these weapons gave results at tactical level

They were not used at a strategic level, because all strategic targets were destroyed week 1

You don't employ weapons against  brigade level Barracks, brigade fuel storages, brigade vehicle depots, and brigade weapons and ammo sites to convey a message at the strategic or operational level

The targets are tactical,  so any message is received by the recipient, reserve brigades of the VSU

Any other "hidden messaging" is just a consequence of the strikes themselves

But not a political or military objective

The messaging you speak of was done week 1, with activation of RVSN, which dissuaded no fly zones, and fighter jet supplies

Thats the only messaging , that could be conveyed given the lack of deconfliction lines, diplomatic relations, and complete breakdown of communications with the west

Those are secondary results only, those are expensive weapons. Russia has cheaper weapons that could do the samething, there was one main reason why and the other reasons are merely secondary.

Imposing a no fly zone over Ukraine is hardly sending a message, the Russians have overwhelming superiority in this area. It was an expected result.

I am sorry but you are wrong Logically speaking and tactical speaking you are just wrong. From a tactical perspective makes no sense to use hypersonic UNLESS Russia fears Ukraine can intercept their other missiles. We have a difference in belief, we can leave it at that.

Ukrainian AD is still a threat. Ballistic and cruise missiles are still needed to hit western parts.

But there is one thing this war will teach them, tgey don't need state of art 2000km range missiles forbplebty of targets. A cheap ballistic or cruise missile with 300km range with good accuracy would have done the work for plenty of targets.

They focused too much on bypassing defences that don't exist in most battlefields. Kalibr, Oniks, Iskander  kh-101 and kinzhal aren't a game changer here. They could have used very cheap subsonic missiles with good seakers and the result would have been the same.

All their neighbours aren't manning AD systems that require those missiles. They need quantity over quality here.

Kalibr, oniks... are needed against US ships and bases protected by good systems. But on the ground even US troop during a war aren't protected by such AD systems and a dumb cheap missile would do the job.

It could be that the Russian Armed Forces wanted to test these weapons in war.

flamming_python wrote:Ukrainian military advisor Arestovich's prophecy about the coming war with Russia from 2019 and his predictions about it. Got to say he was 90% correct

Unfortunately only in Russian



He was sure that the war would be won back then though.

And he's right about Putin wanting to build the Union State (USSR 2.0), but didn't consider the fact that this scenario of arming up the Ukraine to the brim and building NATO infrastructure on its soil was penned by the Americans - Biden in the conferences with Putin in 2021 offered the later to drop China but Putin refused. In return in Nov. 2021 the Ukraine signed a treaty on further NATO integration.

Arestovich also didn't consider that the Ukraine could have just followed the Minsk peace agreements, at the end of the day. This was the best chance for the Ukraine to actually stop the war in the Donbass and maintain its sovereignty.

How is Putin trying/wanting to build CCCP 2.0? He is certainly not a communist and nor does Russia has anywhere near a policy followed that would make a transition to communism even possible. If you mean rebuilding Russia with the Ukraine and Belarus as parts of RF then this is not the Soviet Union and has nothing to do with it. These countries are legitimate interests of influence for Russia and would be crucial for safety reasons for Russia to integrate into Russian Federation.

That is a reasonable assumption however, Missiles aren't like tanks and planes, once you are able to successfully test fly them and they work, the missile is pretty much combat ready and just needs to be mass produced. That is why they test fire missiles to work out any problems and discover the kinks. It's not like a tank where during combat unknown problems can be found.

Testing them in a war is the same as testing them during exercises. Same air, same launch, same carrier, same type targets... it provides nothing exceptional. Maybe the seaker could be tested in a more dense environement since test polygones are often a small building in the middle of nowhere.

Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Is Russia going to contribute economically to rebuild the Ukrainian economy post war?

Sure, Russia will sign many favorable trade deals with the Ukraine/Novorossiya so they can rebuild themselves with whatever industry they have left after the war, the Ukraine has lots of raw materials and produces semi finished goods that Asia needs. With NS2 suspended (not cancelled), they'll receive billions of dollars more in gas transit fees as renewed contracts with Europe are signed once they (temporarily) pull their heads out of their asses and acknowledge that they can't survive without cheap Russian energy.

The Ukraine will have a chance to thrive and become healthy once Russia performs a hemicolectomy on them and surgically removes the cancerous, banderite tissue from their colon.

Tornado was also used in Kiev region

When they start testing weapons that means they are wining.

Same as in Syria. They cleaned the battlefield and tested new weapons on what's left like on cobayes.

Meanwhile... When you think ukrainian propaganda has reached its limits... they still manage to surprise you with dumber lies.


Illia Ponomarenko
@IAPonomarenko
Wut.
Ukrainian troops in Luhansk region have managed to intercept a Tochka-U missile… with a FIM-92 Stinger.
This is confirmed.
If tomorrow they sink the Admiral Kuznetsov with a NLAW, I will be absolutely not surprised

Hole wrote:

Honestly, there is no way he dies in Ukraine. You may, and you really really really really should hate Hitler, but at least he died for his country and his warped belief. Zelensky is a pathetic puppet who will become an exile in Paris, London, or somewhere in the United States and will become a think tank "expert" along with Anne Applebaum and Michael McFaul. I would not be surprised if he ends up teaching at Stanford's Hoover Institute. Truth be told, he doesn't even care about his own people, he cares about getting paid.

Isos wrote:Meanwhile... When you think ukrainian propaganda has reached its limits... they still manage to surprise you with dumber lies.


Illia Ponomarenko
@IAPonomarenko
Wut.
Ukrainian troops in Luhansk region have managed to intercept a Tochka-U missile… with a FIM-92 Stinger.
This is confirmed.
If tomorrow they sink the Admiral Kuznetsov with a NLAW, I will be absolutely not surprised

Ponomarenko is great. Each of his tweets gets tens of thousands of "likes", some are even in the 100k ballpark. This in spite of him being proven hilariously wrong hundreds of times in the past couple of weeks. I say "great" because we all remember what an internationally known laughing stock Baghdad Bob became. I say keep it coming.

I am loving the Battle for Wikipedia's War Map right now. The Ukraine propagandists are trying to make it seem like Russia has not advanced beyond the border and are cut off and being rolled back. Those who actually have an interest in reality are showing that in about three weeks something more in line with the truth. So if interested go into the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine article, click the map of Ukraine in yellow and more details and scroll down and you'll see the battle in progress. That site is so full of shit hawks and liars. . . .

CCCP 2.0 is retarded prattle from Russia haters.

Belorus and "Ukraine" are fake countries created by CCCP 1.0. So re-integrating them back with Russia is the opposite of
CCCP activity. Only "Ukraine" has any sort of real distinct ethnic group aspect and that is Halychina adjacent to the Polish
border where the language and culture are "Ukrainian". Novorussia and Malorussia are not Ukraine.

Critics of the operation want to let NATzO sponsored Banderites ethnically cleanse and assimilate Novorussia and Malorussia.
They are the real CCCP 2.0 agenda monkeys.

Before any integration of Novorussia and Malorussia with Russia, these regions need to rebuild themselves and be invested in
their future. They cannot be treated as welfare wards. The USSR and western meddlers have succeeded in corrupting these
regions with the entitlement syndrome. You can see this in the behaviour of the svidomite (woke) refugees now in Moldova
and other parts of Europe. They have serious mental issues. The "Ukraine" project has been about succoring such mental
derangement. If the population is given a chance to earn its keep without being brainwashed with svidomite propaganda,
things can gradually return to normal. But this requires enforcement which for Russia translates into making most of "Ukraine"
into a protectorate. In 20+ years they can have a referendum if they want to stay independent or want closer association
with Russia.

par far wrote:

Isos wrote:
Ukrainian AD is still a threat. Ballistic and cruise missiles are still needed to hit western parts.

But there is one thing this war will teach them, tgey don't need state of art 2000km range missiles forbplebty of targets. A cheap ballistic or cruise missile with 300km range with good accuracy would have done the work for plenty of targets.

They focused too much on bypassing defences that don't exist in most battlefields. Kalibr, Oniks, Iskander  kh-101 and kinzhal aren't a game changer here. They could have used very cheap subsonic missiles with good seakers and the result would have been the same.

All their neighbours aren't manning AD systems that require those missiles. They need quantity over quality here.

Kalibr, oniks... are needed against US ships and bases protected by good systems. But on the ground even US troop during a war aren't protected by such AD systems and a dumb cheap missile would do the job.

It could be that the Russian Armed Forces wanted to test these weapons in war.

You are kinda missing the point. Yes, these advanced weapons are tested and work. Yes, many other older weapons could have done the job. But there is an audience outside Ukraine watching not what is happening but how it is being done, to learn lessons so to speak.

In many ways therefor the target hit is immaterial, it is the weapon and how it is used that is important. This war, in very different ways to that in Syria, is showing to the West, China, ME and others the now proven capabilities of more Russian weapons, many used many times so not a one off demo model.

As many have said, the war in Ukraine is but a means to an end for the US, part of the very long term plan to destroy Russia. But it hasn't turned out as expected. If nothing else it has been a wake up call for them and NATO as to just how advanced Russian military products now are and how worryingly vulnerable they are to them.

They really need to keep 'conservative' Putin in power for as long as possible as his successor may well take a more aggressive approach.

EVENING REPORT
RussianDefense Ministry briefing (19.03.2022)

Units of the Russian armed forces, having crossed the Kashlagach River, broke through the defense of the Aidar battalion and advanced 5 kilometers, reached the SHAKHTERSKOYE-NOVOUKRAINKA border.

Up to 30 militants, one tank, one infantry fighting vehicle and four off-road vehicles were destroyed. Currently, they are fighting with units of the 54th separate mechanized brigade of the Armed forces of Ukraine, operating in the second echelon.

, Dimension People's Militia of the Donetsk Republic destroyed up to a company from the 53rd separate mechanized brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, completely it has taken control of the village of Taramchuk and is pursuing the retreating enemy.

Troop groupingThe Luhansk People's Republic has reached the northern outskirts of the city of Lisichansk and is destroying scattered groups of nationalists who retreated from the city of Rubizhne.

During the day, 59 military facilities were hit by operational-tactical, army aircraft Ukraine. Among them:: three command posts, two multiple launch rocket systems and two radar stations in the area of the city of Bogodukhov, two warehouses of rocket and artillery weapons, as well as 51 places of accumulation of military equipment.

An unmanned aerial vehicle "Forpost-RU" destroyed one radar of illumination and guidance of the S-300 anti-aircraft missile system near the village of VYPOLZOV, 60 km north of KIEV. In addition, Russian air defense systems shot down five Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles in the air, including one Bayraktar TB-2 near Malovorontsovka.

Since the beginning of the special military operation, 201 unmanned aerial vehicles, 1,443 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 147 multiple launch rocket systems, and 564 vehicles have been destroyed. field artillery and mortar guns, as well as 1,248 units of special military vehicles.

During a special military operation, an employee of the Main Directorate of the Security Service of Ukraine for Donetsk and Luhansk regions voluntarily surrendered to Russian servicemen.

This officer was directly involved in organizing the training of sabotage and terrorist groups to work in the areas liberated from nationalists.

The SBU officer gave detailed information on all persons involved in conducting sabotage activities in the territory of Donbass.

I bring to the attention of all persons recruited by the SBU that voluntary refusal of criminal activity and timely reporting of it to law enforcement agencies exempts from criminal liability.

In addition, the SBU officer reported on terrorist acts planned by militants of the nationalist Azov battalion in Lviv against employees and facilities of diplomatic missions of the United States and other Western countries.

I want to emphasize that the leadership of the Kiev regime is aware of the plans of the nationalists, but does not take any actions to prevent their implementation.

Kiev's nationalist regime plans to portray attacks on U.S. and Western diplomatic facilities as a "targeted attack by the Russian armed forces."

The main purpose of the provocation is to increase pressure on NATO countries to impose a "no-fly zone" over Ukraine and provide additional weapons.

Updates

1) Medvedev Expects Russian Economy to Withstand Western Sanctions
There will be no collapse of the Russian economy due to new sanctions imposed by Western countries as the country has learned to function under restrictions since 2008, Russian Security Council Deputy Chairman Dmitry Medvedev said on Saturday. Western companies that have suspended their activities in Russia over Ukraine do not want to lose this market, Medvedev added.
"Western companies, many of which have loudly announced their withdrawal from our market, from the very beginning thought only about returning, they preserved their staff, payed salaries, made other payments to the [Russian] budget," Medvedev said, adding that the companies "tell us quietly" that they want to return, but they are afraid.
According to Medvedev, Russia has many reliable partners, not only in the post-Soviet space, but also in China, Southeast Asia and Africa.
Russia's opponents have always come back with a request to return to the negotiating table, and this is exactly what is happening now, Medvedev noted.

2) Deutsche Bank Head Warns Against Abandoning Nord Stream Pipeline
The head of the German Deutsche Bank, Christian Sewing, warned on Saturday against abandoning the Nord Stream 1 gas pipeline and called for no new sanctions against Russia.

3) UN Cooperates With Russian Defense Ministry to Deliver Humanitarian Aid in Ukraine

4) Situation in Kherson as City Liberated by Russian Forces Returns to Normal Life

5) UK PM Johnson Says He Can't See Return of 'Normal Relations' With Putin
"To try to re-normalise relations with Putin after this, as we did in 2014, would be to make exactly the same mistake again", Johnson told a Conservative Party conference.

6) Russia Will Not Initiate Improvement of Relations With West - Lavrov
"We, of course, remain open to cooperation with any countries, including Western ones. Although given the way the West has behaved, we are not going to come up with any initiatives. Let's see how they will get out of the impasse they have driven themselves into", Lavrov said on the margins of the Leaders of Russia management competition.

7) Lavrov Expresses Hope Russian Special Op Will Result in Comprehensive Agreement on Ukraine's Neutral Status

8 ) US Considering Disconnecting Russia From GPS – Space Agency Head Rogozin
The United States is considering the possibility of disconnecting Russia from the GPS global navigation system as part of a new package of sanctions, Dmitry Rogozin, the head of the Russian space agency Roscosmos, said on Saturday.This would not impact Russia much, however, as the country has its own analogue to GPS - the GLONASS system, Rogozin said, adding that any smartphone in use in Russia is already connected to GLONASS.

9) MoD: Russia's Kinzhal Hypersonic Missiles Destroy Ukrainian Military Depot
The Russian armed forces used Kinzhal hypersonic missiles for the first time during the special military operation in Ukraine, destroying a Ukrainian military depot, Russian Defence Ministry spokesman Igor Konashenkov said on Saturday.
"On 18 March, the Kinzhal aviation missile system with hypersonic aeroballistic missiles destroyed a large underground depot of missiles and aviation ammunition of Ukrainian troops in the settlement of Delyatyn, Ivano-Frankovsk region", Konashenkov said.

10) Russian Aerospace Forces Hit 69 Ukrainian Military Facilities Overnight
Russian aerospace forces hit 69 Ukrainian military facilities overnight, including four command posts and four anti-aircraft missile systems, three S-300 systems and one Buk-M1 Russian Defence Ministry spokesman Igor Konashenkov said on Saturday.

11) Germany Unable to Heat Homes Next Winter Without Russian Gas Supplies, Minister Says. Germany has announced its intention to diversify energy supply sources to get rid of the so-called energy dependence on Russia amid the military operation in Ukraine. At the moment, Russia continues to supply coal, oil and gas to Germany as contracted.

12) Italian Lawmakers Want to 'Invite' Putin to Parliament After Zelensky. Lawmaker Nicola Grimaldi told La Repubblica that he would like to "invite" Putin to address the Italian Parliament via a video call after Zelensky's speech

13) About 700 civilians from Rubizhne, Severodonetsk, Popasna and Lysychansk were evacuated by buses today

14) 13:00 (Minsk time) A column of equipment of the Belarusian Armed Forces with red square marks was moving from Malaryta towards Brest. The column includes "Kaiman" armored reconnaissance vehicles, MAZ trucks and Volats with mortars

15) Rally in support of Russian invasion of Ukraine in Yerevan Armenia

16) Officials in Voronezh are asking local retailers to donate food, drinks, and cigarettes to RosGuard troops now deployed in Ukraine. Requested not as a public show of support so much as basic logistical assistance for "performing combat tasks."

17) Russian ministry of Defense claims that Bastion coastal defense complex targeted Ukrainian military objects in Velikiy Dalnyk and Velykodolynske of Odesa region

Isos wrote:

SeigSoloyvov wrote:

Arkanghelsk wrote:Also Seig, the use of these weapons gave results at tactical level

They were not used at a strategic level, because all strategic targets were destroyed week 1

You don't employ weapons against  brigade level Barracks, brigade fuel storages, brigade vehicle depots, and brigade weapons and ammo sites to convey a message at the strategic or operational level

The targets are tactical,  so any message is received by the recipient, reserve brigades of the VSU

Any other "hidden messaging" is just a consequence of the strikes themselves

But not a political or military objective

The messaging you speak of was done week 1, with activation of RVSN, which dissuaded no fly zones, and fighter jet supplies

Thats the only messaging , that could be conveyed given the lack of deconfliction lines, diplomatic relations, and complete breakdown of communications with the west

Those are secondary results only, those are expensive weapons. Russia has cheaper weapons that could do the samething, there was one main reason why and the other reasons are merely secondary.

Imposing a no fly zone over Ukraine is hardly sending a message, the Russians have overwhelming superiority in this area. It was an expected result.

I am sorry but you are wrong Logically speaking and tactical speaking you are just wrong. From a tactical perspective makes no sense to use hypersonic UNLESS Russia fears Ukraine can intercept their other missiles. We have a difference in belief, we can leave it at that.

Ukrainian AD is still a threat. Ballistic and cruise missiles are still needed to hit western parts.

But there is one thing this war will teach them, tgey don't need state of art 2000km range missiles forbplebty of targets. A cheap ballistic or cruise missile with 300km range with good accuracy would have done the work for plenty of targets.

They focused too much on bypassing defences that don't exist in most battlefields. Kalibr, Oniks, Iskander  kh-101 and kinzhal aren't a game changer here. They could have used very cheap subsonic missiles with good seakers and the result would have been the same.

All their neighbours aren't manning AD systems that require those missiles. They need quantity over quality here.

Kalibr, oniks... are needed against US ships and bases protected by good systems. But on the ground even US troop during a war aren't protected by such AD systems and a dumb cheap missile would do the job.

Russia still has access to Tochka which is cheaper than iskander although range is shorter. And Belarusian Polonez is ideal has 8 ready to fire missiles combat readiness time of nearly 10 minutes. The system is designed to engage C2 posts, communication hubs, airfields, roads and bridges, various pieces of infrastructure, munition and fuel depots, etc. And range of 200-290km depending on missile and Circular Error Probable (CEP) not exceeding 30m. The new missile A-300 has upgraded missile features low radar cross-section and high manoeuvrability, flight speed, and diving speed in terminal phase,

21:05. More Kalbr's arching up, it's dark now so we can see the glow and know someone is about to receive a world of hurt in but minutes.

19:17. Another one. Now I'm going to nail someone to a cross...if I can stay awake, if not...tomorrow.