Russian special military operation in Ukraine #7

A thousand of their lives? That's a pretty tall threat. So far they haven't killed anyone and just lost their own men

Sound familiar though, when German soldiers got killed in occupied territory (ie places they should not have been in the first place) they often demanded 1,000 locals pay for each death.

More from my friend in Kiev (Belarusian and anti Putin and Luka). Heavy fighting in South West outskirts of Kiev. And many rumours flying around that they are going to do a big offensive and chemical weapons will be used. People are worried and people are trying to keep people calm.

A critical part of military planning is to ensure your enemy hears rumours about you planned operations... even if you have to drop pamphlets to start the rumours yourself....

The Polish prime minister seems to play a dangerous game by provoking a possible Nuclear War with Russia. First he enters a war zone and then he suggests to interfere in the Ukraine war. Have these American vasalls lost their mind or are they just bluffing?

Just highlighting his own irrelevance.

And adding to the financial slip-up I presume where half the gold is now confiscated and the US and Euro reserves Russia can't use
The media and infowar blitz Russia didn't adequately prepare for either

The west has no access to Russian gold, and seizure of reserve funds can be balanced by writing off any debt and seizing assets of those doing the seizing.

Russia had Euros for use in trade with Europe... it probably got more every time they paid for gas... with the west cutting them off completely they wont need any Euros anyway... might use it to pay third parties that don't want rubles or yuan...

These are the sort of mistakes that have led to over 10,000-20,000 corpses in this conflict thus far.

Nothing like the mistakes the other side made.

Even 50K corpses is peanuts compared with any US invasion of the last 30 years.

How will they enforce Ukraine's neutral status? Probably this status will be broken again soon as before.

This new Ukraine will likely largely be demilitarised... if they want to join HATO then Kalibres can be made in enormous numbers till they are needed... they are proven effective already.

Odds are a vast amount of the future growth potential of any new Ukrainian state will be access to the Russian economic market to trade... after they start earning better money and things improve will they listen to calls to join the EU or HATO ever again?

Price paid and to be paid for "Austrian" model of neutrality = fail of epic proportions.

I am sure Russia loses sleep at the loss of Austrian neutrality, but so what... worst case scenario the borders go back to initial borders with Crimea as part of the Russian federation and the donbass and lugansk regions are complete but also independent... if the rest wants to go back to being a poor meat shield for the US to play games with then **** em... let them do it, but Russia can create lots of tactical nuclear weapons and fit them to Iskanders and upgraded Iskanders and cover the region... there wont be another invasion to save the people of the Ukraine... if russia has to act again it will be wiping out the enemy.

There is no way to enforce a neutrality status other than active hostility (aka war). Much less a neutrality status that comes at the barrel of a gun.

They are currently showing that when push comes to shove they are prepared to use force when force is the last option.

I suspect if they have to do it again the kid gloves will not be needed... which will dramatically reduce their own losses.

I am sure lessons learned will allow for better use of resources and equipment too.

It seems that both sides are claiming that negotiations are working (very strange)

As reported here on our news, the NZ reporter said there was progress in the negotiations,and then switched to a clip showing a Ukrainian negotiator saying they were making no concessions at all and their demands all remained the same since the conflict started... which suggests the news reporter is an idiot and there is no progress being made.

Well yeah, because Russia failed to achieve anything of importance, just a ton of corpses and an alienated country.

You are forgetting a lot of those corpses are good... you need to harden the **** up and deal with your stupidity... or compliance.

No one lives forever, and those deaths are more value if they create real change for Russia and the West than all of them living forever on their hands and knees sucking euro dick.

I am sure Vlad would have rather died shooting Orc Nazis than suffering a debilitating disease and dying alone.

Forget the fucking west... unless they are sending you paychecks for this BS, then well done... make sure they pay you in rubles and in banks in Russia or you might never see it.

The west want your land and you to be not in the picture, that is not something you can deal with using words either spoken or written on a page and signed.

This confrontation was always going to happen... or some other provocation created from thin air... perhaps Finland joins HATO and puts missiles on their border to feel safer... bio weapons labs... the whole 9 yards... they wont stop till you stop them and you can stop them by saying stop please don't hurt me, I don't want to fight.

Yes, it is very easy to say for me on the other side of the planet, but that does not make it wrong.

You need to get your head out of your ass and stop blaming Putin for every other fucking arse hole.... starting with every US and UK and EU leader ever.

Reinforcement Troops from South Ossetia coming through the Roki tunnel. Seems like they’re scraping the bottom of the barrel.

Motivated trained soldiers from a region that understands what the Donbass and Lugansk are going through and wanting to help.

I am sure they wont care about your opinion of them... what do you think their opinion of you would be?

We know the Ukrainians will stage a chemical or biological attack. But it will just be another show for the west and russians will shrug their shoulders.

Just show Zelensky is mad and has no respect or care for his own people... if further evidence would be needed after shelling the LNR and DNR all these years.

At the onset of the operation I have posted the map where UA has a ring around (50 to 100km wide) basicaly making it landlocked country whit no borders othe than RU.
It would have achieved everything RU wanted.

Instead we see protracted fight for Kharkov, Kiev and other larger cities.
March into Lviv and close the border with PL,SK,HU and leave rest of the UA as is.

The core problem of your plan is that a thin ring around the entire country would be very thin unless made up of a much larger force of soldiers, and stopping enemy getting through that ring would be difficult if not impossible considering its size.

The border ring for Belarus is redundant as the actual Belarus border would serve the same purpose in containing the Ukraine, and the chances of them getting troops to the Polish border any time soon is pretty damn unlikely.

What you really need to do is go back through the posts and find that map showing the nuclear power stations and major resources and industries in the countries and divide the place up based on that.

No my friend, what Russia will have over the next 3 years is a drop of pro-NATO nonsense propaganda from PONOS countries who are right at the border with Russia. They realized the words of US is useless. There will be false flags from the US under Russian flag that I have no doubt about it. The US will do any false flag option to bring Poland or Germany vs Russia. In the lying West Putin is known to be crazy guy who likes to poison his opponents. The next step is an actual chemical bomb with hundreds killed in one of the Polish cities.

The amusing thing is HATO is all about keeping the EU apart from Russia... well mission accomplished, the US gets to keep control of the EU... a much poorer a much weaker EU that is going to suffer serious problems regarding energy and just trying to trade with the rest of the world for resources in competition with Russia and China and lots of other growing powers... perhaps including India if they want to remain independent too... it is up to India of course.

There will be little to no trade or ties between the west and Russia... but the US wasn't protecting the EU from a Russian invasion to take them, to occupy them, the US was isolating the EU from Russia so the US could keep it as a vassal and large market for its goods and services and as a man pool for wars around the place. Now that Russia is likely going to build up its nuclear capacity (conventional armed forces would be little use against all of HATO so a small conventional force armed to the teeth with tactical and theatre nuclear weapons)... There will be little chance any country in the EU will have normal relations with Russia now because the rest of the EU will bully them for trading with the enemy... the murderers of Orcsville... which means the US will have them as a captive market without needing to worry about Russia and the EU becoming economically or politically united and therefore no longer needing the US.

Personnaly I'd have preferred Putin to have taken steps to avoid any showdown for another 2-3 years. We still have a lot of projects to come online and doing them now will be more difficult.

For years you bitched about him being a pussy and not standing up to the west...

Accept it... he has finally realised that Russia does not need the west... and is actually better off without them.

Seems like some of the trolls are getting really aggressive ! I am also now totally convinced that F_P is not Russian but rather Ukrainian (deep down at least).

Either that or his communist ideology blinds him to believe everything Putin does is wrong... because Putin is not communist... so how can it be right?

From a military point of view, the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine logically reasoned that it was pointless to sacrifice the few remaining reserves for a suicidal attack on Mariupol, therefore the task of the Nazis remaining in the cauldron was to delay the resistance as much as possible and die on its ruins in order to tie down part of the forces of the RF Armed Forces and the DPR army off the coast of the Sea of ​​Azov and win a few extra days.

Their own little Stalingrad... how nice.

Great pawns these Ukrainians., fools ti'll the end.

Sad thing is that you can say the same about the EU and the parts of the west that are not the US and don't get to make decisions or have an opinion.

BREAKING: The US will send Soviet-era SA-8, SA-10, SA-12 and SA-14 mobile air defense systems to Ukraine.

Sounds like the US is using this as an excuse to purge HATO forces of anything Soviet they had... BTW I guess they might have a few SA-8s OSAs and SA-14 MANPADS, but how many SA-10s and SA-12s would they have to give?

Honestly I would guess **** all.

Poland, Romania, Czech Republic, Slovakia, etc.

They will have SA-14 ripoffs, but they are only old Strelas... state of the art... in the 1970s... Slovakia had SA-10s I think but none of those countries had any SA-12s that is just silly.

One SA-12 was sold to the US in the 1990s... it was incomplete and I doubt they had a lot of missiles.

First videos of LDNR troops using western ATGMs have popped up.

For the west those things are way to expensive for anything other than killing tanks, but when you get them for free and there is a lot of them you can use them to open your rations....

Will be useful in clearing houses... instead of rolling grenades into doors you can launch rockets from across the street before the troops go in...

These decoys are now being collected and studied by Western intelligence services so that NATO air defenses can be programmed to defeat the Iskander’s countermeasures. I suspect Russia will now design new types of decoys.

They say programmed to defeat Iskanders countermeasures... most countermeasures are designed to mimic the weapon or aircraft it is protecting... if western SAMs are upgraded to ignore the decoys they will also be getting upgraded to ignore the Iskander missile itself... the whole point of a decoy is to present a whole lot of nearly identical targets... if you teach your defences to ignore the decoys how do you know you haven't just also taught them to ignore the missile itself that you are supposed to be shooting down?

Equally decoys are part of its defense evasion capacity... it has a thrust vectored rocket nozzle and manouvers during the terminal phase to evade interception... and it also pops decoys and jammers.

They test their systems against their own air defence systems, which are 1000% better than HATO defence systems.

I bet you they got a real hardon at first when they first saw them because they would have thought they were cluster bomb munitions... hahaha...

The Jamming 122mm artillery shell was developed together with Bulgaria I believe so their jamming rounds would already be compromised, I would think they will work through old stock first for Iskanders which means these are 15 years old level stuff.

Any further information on the Canadian sniper death? Wali or whatever he calls himself

Found a picture of him:



Or maybe this one is more appropriate:



Wally amongst the peasants...

The MIC in CONUS should not be let to operate untouched, they need to be hit.

I suspect conventionally armed Zircon missiles could easily be used as well as Kinzhal launched from Tu-22M3s from Syria escorted by MiG-31BMs or MiG-31Ks operating from Syria would also have an interesting reach not to mention missiles launched from subs in the north atlantic at targets in europe and CONUS.

The core problem of the west is that its air defence network is non existent... even low flying kalibres are a serious problem for the west even today.

The west will not get involved in any fight against Russia.... the Tu-141 drone proves it... it was clearly an attempted provocation that the west ignored... they could have gone apeshit like they did over the Orcs shooting down that Malaysian airliner and blamed Russia for it... why didn't they?

Because they have no intention of getting involved... Biden has said this many times already...

The lack of surveillance drones on the front is really surprising.

Obviously surveillance drones see everything and everyone is sitting in trucks and aircraft at every airport ready to move those vehicles as soon as the drone gives word that artillery rockets are inbound... but genius where the **** do you drive... where are the rockets going to land... you might have been safe where you were parked and have just driven into the impact area of the rockets.

I realise you are upset but pull back a little from going full retard... no one should ever go full retard.

They should have hundreds of those small Zala drones and orlan 10 patroling the area and ordering immediate artillery strikes to keep ukrainian hiding.

Don't you mean the Death Star in orbit over Ukraine ready to destroy any Grad that moves?

You are assuming it would be possible to see the grad... it might have been parked inside a building... rolled out.... rockets fired and then driven off somewhere to hide and be reloaded... what HATO super weapon can deal with that.... they can't even deal with Scuds.

Graf vehicles are easy to spot yet ukrainians still use them.

You do know that with a tarp over the tubes it looks like a truck... of which there are likely hundreds of thousands currently in the Ukraine... Russia even brought some themselves...

I personally think that this damage we have seen in the video and in satellite invalidates Ukrainian statements even more.

Funny they release satellite images for this but could not release them to show the DNR rebels they claim use a BUK to shoot down a civilian airliner... perhaps because the satellite images show the Orcs using their BUK to shoot down the airliner instead... but just proves no point in believing proven liars... especially in war time.

If homemade MLRS can cause massive devastation to Israeli army bases when fired upon, then it's not a surprise that BM-21 or other artillery systems could have done a similar effect

When have homemade MLRS caused massive devastation to Israeli army anything?

They also claim a Ukrainian Army Grad also destroyed a new Russian corvette which has been seen safe and well...

By the way, this was greatest "victory" of Ukraine this week.

Pales in comparison of the number of people believing their bullshit after all the previous bullshit they shovelled in your face and you lapped up thinking it was chocolate pudding.

So what Ukraine is getting are more 9K33 Osas, more S-300s (two variants!) and Strela-3 MANPADS. They’re clearing out Eastern European stocks.

The east does not have any stocks of S-300Vs. (SA-12).

Slovakia, Greece, Bulgaria, and Azerbaijan have S-300P (SA-10).

There is a sole vanilla S-300 system in Slovakia.

They will likely readily hand them to the Ukraine expecting to get newer western replacements provided for their generosity...

From their perspective a good purge of Soviet equipment from their ranks.

The idea of believing Putin when he says no occupation is laughable, they will occupy it but they won't admit to it until the war is over

Is that because they are doing what the US would do and this is what the US would do too?

They have no reason to occupy the Ukraine... this was not a land grab... this was slapping the hand of a 3 year old boy trying to pick up a loaded pistol the US had placed on his lap.

They don't want to adopt the little shit but they also don't want to get shot.

Whats he going to do send in the army once Ukraine goes anti-russian again and again and again and again.

This will be their do over... if they fail again, well if they go in again it will be US in Iraq style.

Or is he truly dumb enough to think he can invade the country, leave and that will work out fine for him.

WOW... an American says that... if he really was dumb you would have elected him US president decades ago.

How many countries has America interfered with or attacked or invaded... perhaps if any of that was in actual self defence you might understand but a colonial power has to project force and needs governors to enforce their rule at all times... a bit like the American people these days.

Nope, its the entire Russian air force, shot out of the sky by the ghost of Kiev using a Polikarpov I-16

His aircraft mounted guns failed so he had to take them down with his trusty Nagant revolver... seven at a time.

As someone said, there's a possibility of Balkanization.

They are not getting the Crimea back, nor the LNR or DNR regions, so Balkanisation is going to be a thing... how many other bits there are is another story.

Lviv training base was obvious target which is now "gone" that means that assembly points and munition transfer points will be dispersed.
You are assuming that RU intel will identify these in timely manner which isn't the case in Syria so I would argue that it is not going to be any easier in UA.

Polish border is 500+km long so I wish you good luck monitoring it.
How do you plan to monitor this border with air assests 24/7 ?

It is OK... the people in those regions are totally hostile to Russia, so if a few innocent targets get hit... who cares.

Collateral damage I believe the west calls it?

Maybe off-topic. Landing ships of the Pacific Fleet.

Maybe they want to add the northern island of Japan to the Kuriles... .

But they should. PR is weapon of mass destruction on enemy.

Putin understands propaganda in the west... no point trying to win now... but later down the track when things have died down and the west has backed down on a lot of its sanctions because they ended up hurting the west more than they hurt Russia and the truth of what really happened will come out.

PR war is clearly one-sided thanks to western aligned media. Let them waste money and be shocked when Ukraine after all those victories capitulates all of sudden.

X2

The country is not formally occupied if the foreign military have the right to be in there. E.g. by invite or agreement.

The lawyerspeak that allows the US to occupy countries around the world...

You can't like a video like this, because then it would turn out that I like what is on the video - killing innocent people.

You can like it being posted to reveal the criminal activity of the enemy that western media will never talk about or will blame Russian forces for later on.

Just a reminder it is against the rules to post porn of any kind, but images of death, or violence cannot be posted as images, only as links. All potentially objectionable material needs clear warnings as to what is at the link so that anyone who opens the link has a good idea of what they will be seeing.

I reserve the right to delete orc propaganda... but most of the time I will just make fun of how crude it is.

10) US Congressman Says Ukraine Now Has S-300 Air Defence Systems in Country, CNN Reports

What a genius... did he know they have been there since the early 1980s?

We have to ask 'why was this not done 2 weeks ago?'

Other more important targets?

Let them see what is coming before you blind them...

My friend, thats not my writing

It's the saker

If you are quoting someone then you should indicate that in your text.

Otherwise we have to assume it is your words and not someone elses.

Mike what was that senator who advocated to nuke Russia?

Many senators run unopposed... and there is no IQ test requirements to be a US politician... he can advocate anything he likes.... he controls nothing.

A small dog yapping hoping a bigger dog might notice him or at least stop pissing on him.

The russian way is much better. Defeat the Nazi thugs and then bring in humanitarian aid to the people, lower prices and so on. Maybe it takes more time but it will bring results.

It reveals the good guys who care about civilians and rules of war and the Nazis who despite western support or perhaps because of it are actually truly evil.

The president biden called Putin a war criminal

War criminal and murderer/killer... how is he ever going to sign agreements with him?

Just have to wait for President Trump... or maybe another Bush.

Like I said, keep the ukrainian army, kick out the Nazis and give the others a raise, like a 100% raise. Have them report to trusted ukrainian commanders.

A neutral country does not need such a big army... deal with the nazis (bullet or jail cell... their choice) let the conscripts go home and now the conflict has ended ask for volunteers for an armed force 10% the size of the original force... maybe 10-20 thousand... just glorified SWAT really to support the police when they require help...

It sure requires insanity for anyone in US regime to call anyone a war criminal

Certainly requires there are no mirrors or reflective surfaces present...

Savage haha where is papadragon he woule be proud of him for once.

The west is so used to giving and not getting back... the change in Russia and Putin is refreshing and necessary.

Dumb article. Black sea is huge and Novorossiysk is far away from Ukraine.

Obviously not happy rich westerners are bypassing sanctions against Russia so pretends he is risking his ship and crew for money... because good western 1%ers care about their people... like Bezos...

Colonel Cassad says that progress is made arpund Izyum and critiques officers for still driving in columns where they get under fire from Ukrainian arty.

For narrow roads single file is the most efficient formation... takes too much practise to use a more complex formation...

The US have committed many times false flags, its their number one technology and weapon for justifications out of thin air to do this or that.

The US tries to ignore the fact that no one else bothers with false flag incidents to start a war... it is the US that repeatedly and consistently uses lies and provocations to get involved in wars it has no justification for being involved with.

Su-57 and a lot of checkmate. Su-30 and its two pilots is not needed anymore.

There would be 30 AWACS and JSTARS and all their other war waging machines on the border scanning to see what they could see if they did... and the difference it would make probably wouldn't justify the intel haul for the US.

Btw why doesn't Russia use armed drones as suicide recon in order to draw fire from ukrainian man pads and optically guided SAMs? This would present Ukrainians with the dilemma of shooting down the armed drone and then to be destroyed themselves or hope that the armed drone won't spot them(unlikely).

Their problem is that more an more drones will be in the air and when they spot smoke trails, those SAMs can only hit one drone at a time so any other drones in the area can pin point where the missile came from and zoom in and locate the guy who launched it, or vehicle which can then be attacked... by suicide drone, or weapon released from a higher flying drone, or nearby artillery with the drone marking the target with a laser, or even nearby attack helicopter or aircraft notified by the drone operator...

I wonder how accurate the unguided missiles are when fired upward like that

An area target needs a good scatter of rockets to achieve a good coverage... if you need precision then use missiles or cannon, or laser guided rocket, but unguided rockets are for groups of targets or area targets where their spread and fragmentation pattern are a good feature.

Troops spread out in the field for instance you can't deal with using a single guided missile... its complex and expensive guidance system does not improve performance.

The Su 57 would not work for this war. And if it was shot down (0.5 chance) they would use it as propaganda. It would be a hard blow.

Even just flying it around there would give them a good electronic look at it for no real benefit... unless it was there from day one and they didn't detect it... then it would be hilarious...

Someone should post a fake article on a western site saying Russian military says its two Su-57s operational over Ukraine have been monitoring HATO forces from afar in passive mode and don't seem to have been detected yet by HATO...

We must return to traditional values, orderly, smaller cities, go to rural areas.

What we need to do is recognise there is room for more than one way of acting and thinking and doing things and that they all should be tolerated, but the west is the least tolerant culture in the world.

Also, no need to be incel. Slavic women are a treasure. From young lassie to old babushka. Ofc they will be against the war, what female will support it? Motherly instinct doesn't accept any violence, if you see a hawkish female, there's something wrong with her and she will be terrible mother.

True, but if you have a dog with a broken back you don't leave it to suffer and die a painful death... you shoot it in the back of the head or break its neck and end its suffering.

The people of the Ukraine were suffering.

Two old doctrines, I am no expert, but would any of them work in the modern world when mobility is much greater, artillery is more accurate and any concentrations of troops can be targetted without engaging them head-on. So far we didn't see any WW2 type of decisive engagements.

Those two doctrines are about finding weak spots in the enemies front line and penetrating those front lines and attacking rear areas and adjacent areas from behind... mobility is at the core of how it works... the US invasion of Iraq was all about Blitzkreig... even to the bypassing of taking cities... surround them and continue on, with follow up forces to siege and reduce the city with infantry rather than armour.

The forces the Russians are using are recon and VDV units, the former push forward looking for enemy positions and surrounding the harder targets and eliminating the weak targets like HQs and ammo dumps just behind the front lines... the VDV are dropped ahead in the path of the attack so targets like airfields are in your hands when your ground forces arrive so their approach can't be effected by aircraft at the airfield and also supplies can be flown in to continue the advance.

The point is taht behind these forces in the Ukraine would normally be conventional Motor Rifle and Tank divisions that would take the cities and other hard points, while the recon forces continue ahead.

Modern warfare is all based on WWII tactics the HATO handbook on urban combat is largely based on what the Soviets did in Stalingrad.... things like blow holes in walls... don't use doors or windows because you will get shot... if you don't know what is in a room before you enter send a hand grenade in first... use lots of hand grenades. etc etc.

Not to mention that Russia doesn't have a numeric advantage and they are trying to minimize civilian casualties so they have their hands tied behind their backs. It doesn't have much freedom and the whole situation demands military to be very flexible.

To be fair you only need a 3 to 1 advantage in numbers against a competent well equipped and well supported enemy, the Russian air control and ability to launch stand off munitions means they can target fuel and ammo and HQs and communications and support units, they will also have roaming special forces hunting for specific people using sniper rifles... these days we are talking about 2km plus range shooting... the game is very different from WWII where 500m was a very good shot.

The Russian force is a well trained well organised force that has the equipment it needs to get the job done... and it is doing it.

In my opinion, if deep battle was employed, there won't be Ukraine at all. Also, to Russians do target Ukrainian weak points and don't engage/bypass the less mobile Ukrainian concentrations. It's not Deep Battle, but it's not Blitzkrieg as well.

The difference really is that Ukrainian forces on their own are not a huge threat... the hard targets are urban areas where hard core Ukrainian troops are dug in and using civilians as shields.... those are the targets they are blocking off to be negotiated with... I suspect following forces will be brought in for those jobs, unless they decide to surrender... the high concentrations of Ukr forces are in the cauldrons so in a sense they have been enveloped in a pincer movement and rather than take them head on they have cut them off and are going to deal with them when they are ready.

I personally don't have much love for Kadyrovs antics.

I seem to remember Churchil being called up for all the praise he was giving stalin at a meeting... someone said didn't you call him a bastard before the war... to which churchill replied... yes... he is still a bastard... but now he is our bastard... or words to that effect.

The Russian Defense Ministry continues to study the data received from employees of Ukrainian laboratories documents on the implementation of military biological programs by the United States and its NATO allies on the territory of Ukraine.

Russian specialists of the radiation, chemical and biological protection forces have studied original documents revealing the details of the implementation of a secret project by the United States in Ukraine to study the ways of transmitting diseases to humans through bats on the basis of a laboratory in Kharkiv.

I want to emphasize that according to the public documents, these studies were carried out in Kharkiv on a systematic basis and under the direct supervision of specialists from the United States for many years.

Within the framework of the American project, the Kharkiv Institute of Veterinary Medicine studied wild birds as vectors for the transmission of highly pathogenic avian influenza. At the same time, we assessed the conditions under which transmission processes can become unmanageable, cause economic damage, and create food security risks.

So the US military has been funding and conducting experiments in the Ukraine regarding transmission of bird flu like diseases from bats to humans... if they did the same in the Chinese labs funded by the US military...... hmmm... poor vann... he would have loved chatting about that... maybe when his ban ends...