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Good luck getting b61 past s400, the leading world record holder with 150km shootdown
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thegopnik wrote:So are we still at 40% territorial control? Just realized ASB military news had their twitter account suspended
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Scorpius wrote:NATO air defense is not an issue here. Good luck in selective recognition of 6-7 targets at the final stage of the trajectory, when the warhead rushes at a speed of 3-5 M, and a couple of kilometers remain to the target. There are no air defense systems capable of reliably identifying and defeating a real target in these conditions. So these false goals can serve only one thing: to finally convince NATO that they have no protection from Iskander.d_taddei2 wrote:A short interesting article on the Iskander M and it's decoy's
Russia Deploys a Mystery Munition in Ukraine
Iskander-M short-range ballistic missiles are releasing a previously unknown decoy designed to evade air-defense systems, an American official said.
They are released by the Iskander-M short-range ballistic missiles that Russia is firing from mobile launchers across the border, the official said, when the missile senses that it has been targeted by air defense systems.
Each is packed with electronics and produces radio signals to jam or spoof enemy radars attempting to locate the Iskander-M, and contains a heat source to attract incoming missiles
The use of the decoys may point to some level of carelessness or urgency by Russian military leadership, Mr. Lewis said, given that Russia knows they will inevitably be collected and studied by Western intelligence services so that NATO air defenses can be programmed to defeat the Iskander’s countermeasures.
More info in the link
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/14/us/russia-ukraine-weapons-decoy.html
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Vann7 wrote:Belisarius wrote:Vann7 wrote:,but instead stealth f-35
that will not be seen as 150km at all , but more like 50km with luck.
The S-400 can be equipped with L-band radars such as Gamma-DE, designed to detect stealth targets, it has an estimated range against targets with RCS 0.1 m² up to 240/175 km
http://www.rusarmy.com/pvo/pvo_vvs/rls_gamma-de.html
The estimated average frontal RCS for the F-35 is up to 0.16m2 in the L band
https://mobile.twitter.com/Flankerchan/status/1456991340256841732/photo/3
And you say 50km...
lband radars can't be used to provide fire solution to missiles ,is only to have a more or less idea of where the enemy plane could be . it means that still will need to wait until the plane is very close to lock in the target..
so l-band radars is not a magical solution , aside that nato can hide their planes real positions
using electronic warfare and false targets , exactly how israel does in syria. that manage to bypass
all syrian air defenses at will. hit the target intended and then leave like nothing . they make it look easy , to defeat russian air defenses.
found a video ,that shows more or less how nato will fight russia s-400s..
nato can deceive russian radars , by thinking that false targets are planes.
to overwhelm the air defenses.. they can deceive russian radars to make it look a hundred of planes and missiles are flying towards them. russian air defenses will need to go to the drawing board ,
if it have problems in ukraine , it will be much more harder in a nato country , next to impossible for russia military to fight a major nato power or israel.
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LMFS wrote:On the background of the formation of Ukrainian Nazism
, From an interview with historian, President of the Historical Perspective Foundation, member of the Public Chamber of the Russian Federation Natalia Narochnitskaya
to the newspaper Krasnaya Zvezda "Ukrainism" as a synonym for" anti-Moscow " originates in the Brest Ecclesiastical Union of 1596, when it was uniatism that began to grow an anti-Russian interpretation of Ukrainian history. Uniates are both non – Catholics and non-Orthodox, this is a Catholic dogma and submission to the Pope while preserving the Orthodox rite. In this process, Poland played a major role, claiming all of Little Russia, Kiev-the mother of Russian cities. For Poland, the Galician-Volhynian Principality captured in the XIV century by Casimir III the Great became a springboard for aspirations to the East. But these lands are the original Kievan Rus. Since then, Galicia has not shared its fate with the rest of Orthodox Little Russia. It was under Poland, then under Austria-Hungary. Between the two World Wars, Galicia was again under Poland. And not only did anti-Russian sentiments mature there , but a militant hateful attitude towards Muscovites and contempt for the mass of Orthodox Little Russians who exceeded them many times was purposefully brought up there.After the collapse of the Soviet Union, it was the Uniates who proclaimed themselves the only crusading church that would go on a new crusade against the Russian barbarians and the damned Katsaps – all Ukrainians loyal to the Russian Orthodox Church. Bandera members profess so-called integral nationalism, the goal of which is to create a mono – ethnic and mono-confessional nation, for which any means are suitable, and we should not stop, even if we have to kill half of those who disagree.
And what the Bandera members did is well known. For example, in Volhynia, they quartered five-year-olds. They hung them in bouquets on trees, called wreaths. Or they cut out a fetus from living pregnant women and put a live rabbit or rat in it. They hung guts on the trees. Today, the heirs of these animals are supported by the West.
The political nomenclature in Kiev immediately intercepted the Galician slogans. These things inevitably began to penetrate into the worldview, historiography. The rewriting of history has begun. First carefully, and then completely carelessly. And now it is already open, and it comes to nonsense and absurdity. Ukry, according to some historians, is the oldest nation in Europe, which founded Troy and the Cretan-Mycenaean culture ...
️ The basis of their doctrine is that we-the damned Muscovites-are a cross between Ugro-Finns and Tatars, and they are Aryans. We, in order to embellish our history, in their opinion, stole from them the chronicle of Kievan Rus, Prince Vladimir, Vladimir Monomakh. And the Byzantine heritage is not ours at all, but belongs to them. It gets to the point of absurdity. They recognize that Vladimir Monomakh is a great Ukrainian prince, and his son, Yuri Dolgoruky, is a cursed Muscovite, katsap.
The final fall of Ukraine into this abyss and the loss of control by the authorities over the Bandera members who seized the political situation occurred when a real coup d'etat was carried out after the Maidan in 2014. In Ukraine, torchlight processions with swastikas and Nazi salutes have already begun to take place annually in many cities and in Kiev, exactly repeating the processions of Fascist thugs in the early 1930s. Leaders with an active nationalist worldview, primarily anti-Russian, were sent to all Russian and Russian-speaking cities and regions. Moderates were forced out of all levels of the administration.
Russian people, especially in those parts of Ukraine where they live compactly, are depressed, intimidated, discouraged, deprived of social energy, fragmented. And the Ukrainian national feeling, which could have been the basis of prosperity, degenerated into hatred for the other, somehow got a strong trauma.
The task of our special military operation – eliminate the Bandera nest through denazification. It is necessary to save the population of Donetsk and Luhansk regions from death, which is about 4 million people.
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And how many will end trafficked to other countries for prostitution. Not to mention health services are stretched due to Covid and now an increase of 100,000's Ukrainians
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Dima wrote:Sounds good to hear such conclusions...
...unfortunately, people STILL DON'T understand that those missiles on a handful of ships will hardly cover anything.
Russia has a very CRITICAL shortage in surface combatants, which is the bread and butter for any navy, that needs to be plugged at the earliest, in all urgency.
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Sujoy wrote:This European news channel was reporting that people lying dead behind were casualties of Russia bombardment.
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mr_hd wrote:I fully agree actually with flamming_python. Russian attack on Ukraine is tremendous, strategic mistake of epic proportions and Russian leadership should resign and actually stand for their bad decisions...Werewolf wrote:flamming_python wrote:
No the situation on the ground is not what matters, the Ukraine at this point is an extension of NATO and the West, and they will not surrender under any circumstances and neither will their population. As their weapons are more the cameras and the narrative, which can't be countered
The only way the Ukraine can lose is if the West or at least EU collapses; but they're in full war propaganda mode and giving the Ukraine every type of aid and Russia every type of sanction short of military action.
What Russia needs to do now, our leadership, is realize they seriously fucked up and chill on the ultimatums and conditions, then move back to where they have local support, which is the LNR and DNR. Because staying in the rest of the Ukraine will not achieve anything politically, it will just keep adding to more bloodshed.
Then our leadership should resign subjected to charges, with a new interim government put in place.
What is wrong with you FP? You acknowledge the facts at hand, that we RUSSIANS are attacked and the West is using whatever to destroy us and want to break up Russia which will result definetely in Lebensraum-Erweiterung (depopulation) which your fucking ass is on the line as well, but then you seem to have some shizophrenia falling defeat mode like gollum fighting his other ego Smeagol.
I always wondered what is this self-harming defeatism with you? I thought you were quite intelligent but you seem to have some serious psychological issues or ideological more to say.
Are you Russian? Are you mixed? Are you even in Russia?
I really can not make up my mind on you, but one thing is for sure I would not like people like you around when shit hits the fan. I highly doubt that you would be able to protect your family, no offense.
At present no one in Ukraine wants Russians or their influence, that is over especially now when so much blood is spilled. And problem is once blood is spilled, it is very difficult to stop it and put beast back in the cage.
And if anyone here believes that Russian forces are in full control of the situation on the ground in Ukraine - you are delusional.
We forget that Ukraine is actually huge European country and pretty big nation. They took this very personal, in their mind this is not Russia against Ukraine, this is Putin against Ukrainian nation. So this means forget about any chance of any surrender, no hard power from Russia will help, you can not subdue someone that is resisting you in their minds - and Ukranians reject everything Russian now.
And also people here seems forget that Ukrainians are Slavic as Russian. Those are people with big warm heart and soul, but once they have to fight for their country those hearts would turn to stone if needed but they will not bow down. Actually it is not only Ukraine but Russia too is one that is cornered and without good options for smooth exit. We are seeing huge catastrophe right now.
It must be possible to express criticism for this big gamble - and if that is not possible Russia is already doomed and lost no matter of "win".
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Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Where are the Tamanska and Kantemirovska divisions fighting?
thegopnik wrote:So are we still at 40% territorial control? Just realized ASB military news had their twitter account suspended
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Sujoy wrote:This European news channel was reporting that people lying dead behind were casualties of Russia bombardment.
EkErilaz wrote:mr_hd wrote:
I fully agree actually with flamming_python. Russian attack on Ukraine is tremendous, strategic mistake of epic proportions and Russian leadership should resign and actually stand for their bad decisions...
At present no one in Ukraine wants Russians or their influence, that is over especially now when so much blood is spilled. And problem is once blood is spilled, it is very difficult to stop it and put beast back in the cage.
And if anyone here believes that Russian forces are in full control of the situation on the ground in Ukraine - you are delusional.
We forget that Ukraine is actually huge European country and pretty big nation. They took this very personal, in their mind this is not Russia against Ukraine, this is Putin against Ukrainian nation. So this means forget about any chance of any surrender, no hard power from Russia will help, you can not subdue someone that is resisting you in their minds - and Ukranians reject everything Russian now.
And also people here seems forget that Ukrainians are Slavic as Russian. Those are people with big warm heart and soul, but once they have to fight for their country those hearts would turn to stone if needed but they will not bow down. Actually it is not only Ukraine but Russia too is one that is cornered and without good options for smooth exit. We are seeing huge catastrophe right now.
It must be possible to express criticism for this big gamble - and if that is not possible Russia is already doomed and lost no matter of "win".
F**K that, do you just play stupid or are you really this stupid?
I bet you that Russians in Donbass took thing VERY personal to.. And so apparently did Russia, and Putin... Russia did not start this conflict, but im SO F**KING HAPPY that they are ending it.
There are consequences now, but, oh well ukrainians in power are to STUPID to understand.
Not one tear will be spilled on anyone that ever said one word in support of that FILTHY country. There was no saving that carcas, and I bet Russian Hard power looks very different from the perspective of one who has lost his income, place to live and maybe even his life. Just so that some nazi fucks could play out their fetish fantasy of killing "untermench".
The people in Ukraine was absolutely aware of what was happening, and they know why this is happening. They might not like it, they most likely even hate Russia for it, but deep down they know that they have themselves to blame.
And russia do not care what anyone thinks anymore, they tried that, and they tried talking, but did anyone listen.. noo.. The new rules are, touch one hair on one of my cubs and your country will become a pile of rocks.. Finally!!
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