flamming_python wrote:EkErilaz wrote:flamming_python wrote:
So what's the end game here, with your whole rant and you taking everything personally?
When will peace be established? How many ordinary Ukrainians not guilty of anything are going to suffer?
No-one needs such 'revenge'. If you're going to launch an operation, so define what you're trying to achieve and if its even achievable. Else you're going to end up with exactly what the Ukraine is shaping up to be.
I guess i'm just violently against any type of Nazism.
Yes I take my government supporting literal nazis personal. Against our constitution i might add.. A few day ago I saw this picture with a bunch of hardecore nazi fucks posing in front of a black and red flag (pravy sector)
armed with NLAWs/RB-57 and M136/AT4/M86 RPGs. I spent my career instructing soldiers to use those weapons in the defence of my country. I spent my time in the army because the neutral nature of my country, and so that nazis would NEVER EVER AGAIN be a threat to the people i care about. Now I have to live in a freaking psyop 24/7 where literary NOTHING is true anymore, my own sister have started entertaining the idea that we should get rid of Russia as a power.
How many Ukrainians are not guilty? If I know my neighbour is going to kill someone and I do not call the police or tell anyone, i'm part of that murder. And do not tell me that the Ukrainians did not know EXACTLY what happened in Donbas.
The fucking nazis was so proud of it it was plastered all over their media. They managed to pull of a "maidan revolution" because of a trade deal, so I think you can expect them to be able to react to their government committing war crimes to their own people. No one but the children and the ones that tried to do something to stop the bulshit the govornment was pulling it is free from blame.
And in my opinion, as a 16 year veteran of a western army, the goals are very achievable, and I think you will see in a few days to a week what im talking about. The ukrainian army is spent, and a majority of it will be gone very soon abandoned in the east. You would know this to if you had not been to busy having hissy fits about moral issues and psyops on twitter to see the massive cauldrons forming in the east. There will be some time spent in the country demolishing the rest of the army. Either voluntarily with the help of the Ukrainians themselves if they understand that this is not an issue worth wasting a generation of men over. Or one tank at the time by using violence. After this the army will be pulled back to the administrative border of the Donbass republics. Or whatever other republics no longer want to be part of the bandera cult.
It's possible the Ukrainian army will become demoralized. Probably will happen. And just give up
But have no illusions about what comes next. There will be Rosgvardia sweeping the whole territory, detaining people suspected of crimes, and innocent people will suffer too.
I don't know. I'm against Nazism too, but it's an exaggeration to call the Ukrainian regime a Nazi state. Just an anti-Russian oligarchical regime sponsored by the West, which uses Nazis to enforce order.
I totally agree that most people in ukraine are not full on nazi, but nazi collaborators most of them willing or unwilling. And i'm ok with them to get away as lightly as possible, but not to the point that it is not worth doing the operation.
And i'm expecting and looking forward to see Rosgvardia work hard, and even more to see the trials. Or the footage from nazis holed up in a building not surrendering, slowly being picked apart by a breaching team. just like in Chechnya and Dagestan. But unfortunately there will not be many of them because most of the fuckheads will end up in places like my country as refugees living of my my taxes. I might have to ramp up my Russian studies, because this place is going to suck hard very soon.