flamming_python Fri Mar 11, 2022 11:27 pm
Arrow wrote:Russia has a total of over 6,000 nuclear warhead tacctical and strategic. France around 300. Such a potential difference. In addition, Russia has a huge amount of cruise missiles and other systems.
Cruise missiles dont seem to be much help for the Russians.
And arguing about who has most nukes is just stupid. "My gun fires 6000 bullets, you can only fire 300!" Both are fucking dead, who cares how many bullets you fire in total.
IMO Russia has destroyed plenty of Kievan strategic targets by cruise missiles. They are hitting. And they are hitting hard. I would have liked to see the first day kind of hammering with cruise missiles for a week or two though. Then again, I'm in charge mainly of my armchair.
The nuke discussion is stupid indeed. Because everyone knows that only Russia and USA posses a real nuclear deterrence. With China catching up rapidly. Capabilities of for example France in this regard are somewhere around Pakistan maybe; sure, they can do plenty of damage nearby against unprotected targets but they are far from having true intercontinental, global strike capability.
You do realize that we have orbital rockets right?
As nuclear power France plain and simply is untouchable.
That said, we now plan to make entire EU nuclear to counter possible attacks from Russia. We are aware that Putin similar to Hitler dreams about conquering Europe. So far the french arsenal keeps us save but its better to stock it up. So far Poland and others support it and even Hippie Germany has woken up finally.
It's funny how the narrative in the EU could not be more wrong.
This is more like Putin liberating the Russian lands which again had temporarily fallen under the boots of western imperialists. Indeed, the situation in some sence is reminiscent of that of the 1940's but like last time, the "Hitler" sits in familiar place - in the western capitals. Russia and Putin are only acting on self defense - like always.
It must be weird for those who have already witnessed the previous battle only 80 years ago to see this same round going on again. Twice in their lifetime! On same lands, between same powers and pretty much for same reasons.
We see it different. Its like Hitler in 1938 with Sudentenland. Appeasment doesnt work with tyrants like Putin. His entire ideology is based on Dugins Eurasian empire. Putler wants to create an Eurasian Empire. If we allow Ukraine to fall, next would be baltics and poland. Then scandinavia. Germany is intended to operate as vasall hegemon of western europe under moscow leadership. But Germany has no interest and thanks god changed 180 degrees and is no putin apologist anymore.
Holding Ukraine is most important. I dont want wake up one day and live a miserable life in a russian dominated europe.
And so far it looks good for us.
You're all part of the same empire, just playing Good Cop and Bad Cop
In fact turning the Ukraine into a Nazi state was the joint-initiative of both the EU and the US in 2014 and no-one ever said a word about it
Then Biden attempted to trade the Ukraine to Russia in exchange for Russia cutting links with China but Russia refused.
That the west has now 'consolidated' is a delusion - it always was consolidated. Against Syria, Iran, China, Russia, etc... what Uncle Sam says, is always what's done. And it's mass hysteria and sanctioning of Russia is only evidence of its own agony. It has now used and blown all of its cards and exposed itself for what it is in front of the rest of the world. Just one huge white nationalist empire.
So I'm wondering why Russia decided to invade the Ukraine, what provocation was in the making. NATOization I know about, the increasing of the forces in the Donbass, now the biolabs, the blockade of Prindestrovie. Sure. But we don't know what it was, or why it wasn't handled differently beforehand.
I doubt the invasion was to turn the Ukraine into part of a Eurasian empire - maybe that was the most optimistic war aim but I doubt anyone thought it was doable, to actually turn an invasion into a liberation. Far more effective would have simply been to wait some more years until the regime implodes on its own.
Either way the war seems to be going down the route of Syria and it's time to stop it, and negotiate something.
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