Russian special military operation in Ukraine #4

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ON MARCH 4, 2022 BY PATRICK ARMSTRONGIN UNCATEGORIZED
TACTICS, STRATEGY AND OPERATIONS

So far the Russian military operation in Ukraine has been a reconnaissance in force preceded by the destruction of the supplies and headquarters of the Ukrainian Armed Forces by standoff weapons. The object being to suss out where the Ukrainian forces are, to surround them, to check existing Russian intelligence against reality and, at the same time, destroy known headquarters, air and naval assets, supplies and ammunition depots. And, perhaps, there was the hope that the speed and success (Russian/LDPR forces dominated an area of Ukraine about the size of the United Kingdom in the first week) would force an early end (aka recognition of reality).

At the moment they are readying for the next phase. The long column that so obsessed the “experts” on CNN is the preparation for the next phase. And that is this: “You didn’t get the hint, so now we have to hit you”. The fact that the column has been sitting there indicates that the Russians know they have complete air superiority. Secondly it is a message to the Ukrainian armed forces that it’s over, give up. (And one should never forget that the Russians/Soviets have always been the best at strategic deception, so who knows what’s actually there versus what the images show?)

As far as I can see they’ve created three cauldrons (encirclements). Probably the most important one is the one around Mariupol where the main concentration of Azov, the principal nazi force, is. Another is being established around the main concentration of the Ukrainian Armed Forces facing LDPR. And there appears to be another developing to the east of Kiev. A super cauldron of all three is visible. The nazis will be exterminated; the ordinary Ukrainian soldier will be allowed to go home. The nightmare question is how many ordinary Ukrainians will be free to choose.

The dilemma for the Russians is city fighting. They do not want to have a Raqqa in which every building is destroyed, every person killed and solitudinem is declared to be pax. They know that at the end of the day there will still be Ukrainians and they will want them to be friends: Washington can create solitudes far away, but Moscow cannot create them nearby. This greatly complicates their problem when they try to clear the nazis out of Mariupol knowing that the nazis are using the city’s people as hostages. The same problem exists, to a lesser degree, in the other cities of Novorossiya. My guess is they will surround most cities and hope that Zelinsky & Co come to their senses. But I fear that the Mariupol battle will be horrible.

There are some slight indications, on Day 8, that Ukrainian negotiators are realising that neutrality is something they have to agree to. I also see the realisation creeping up on the American side.

The ultimate Russian aim is not visible. By this I mean the ultimate strategic aim; we know what the grand strategic aim is. Are the Russians planning to create a Novorossiya which will be independent or are they aiming to create a Novorossiya which will be a bargaining chip with rump Ukraine? I think the answer depends on what Zelinsky and Kiev (and the locals) decide. In about a week’s time, an independent Novorossiya will exist and Russia will continue to have the hammer.

I would expect large-scale surrenders of the Ukrainian Armed Forces to begin in the next 24/48 hours (Chechen forces already claim one and have an impressive collection of “trophies” to prove it). A significant proportion of the Ukrainian Armed Forces is now surrounded and, as is usual (vide Sun Tsu) the Russians have left them an exit.

GRAND STRATEGY

The impotence of the EU and NATO is clear to everyone (Well, OK, not anyone on CNN, or in the US Congress or in the halls of power in the West. But they are not the whole world). In this respect, I recommend watching Riyadh – Abdul Aziz was very good at seeing how the wind blew and one can assume his descendents are too.

The 97, or whatever they were, fighter planes that were excitedly announced, are obviously not coming. The no fly zone can’t be “declared”. The Chechens have picked up a lot of MANPADs that NATO supplied. All that NATO support will get you is destruction when you fight the war it suckered you into and an extra special Christmas card when you’re defeated and ruined.

We are seeing the collapse of post Cold War triumphalism, “end of history”, “unilateralism” and all the rest of it. Reality is biting, and biting hard. All you have to do is watch CNN’s parade of talking heads and “experts” speculating about how crazy Putin is: they don’t understand, therefore he must be nuts. For the West, as it has been, it’s over. The confusion, the bullshit, the boasting, the hysteria, the bans: the West has nothing left in the locker. Pour Russian vodka down the toilet, fire a singer and director, change the name of a drink or a salad, ban cats or trees, sanction a Russian plutocrat and steal his yacht, wear a blue and yellow t-shirt. Pathetic. And don’t, under any circumstances, allow a Russian outlet to tempt the sheeple with “disinformation”. Just like the USSR but stupider. And who thought stupider was even possible?

Judo is about deception and using the opponent’s strength against him. Putin, the judoka, has judoed the West into suicide. Put your money in our banks, we can confiscate it; put your assets in our territory, we can steal them; use our money and we can cancel it; put your yacht in our harbour, we can pirate it; put your gold in our vault, we can grab it. That is a lesson that will resound around the world. A naked illustration that the “rules-based international order” is simply that we make the rules and order you to obey them. In 2 or 3 weeks everybody in the world who is on the potential Western hit list will have moved his assets out of the reach of the West. Xi will permit himself a small smile.

As to Western sanctions against Russia, I think there’s a very simple answer to that: last week 1000 cubic metres of gas cost $1,000; today it’s over twice that. Next week it certainly won’t be cheaper. Ditto for aluminum, potash, titanium, wheat. Russian airlines lease their planes; now what? Russian rocket motors. What the people in the West do not understand is the ruble is the currency the Russians use inside the country but the price of oil and gas is the Russian currency outside the country. I am astounded at the stupidity: they’re cutting their own throats and destroying their own economies.

Russia sits back and laughs: fly into space on your own broomstick.

The world order has changed. Week Two.

Patrick Armstrong

@ Erk

I did not open Orlan's propaganda post but I saw those Tangustas with the Z's earlier. They were parked in a neat row and then torched. I saw before and after shots somewhere. I will look for it.
The one "Z" is neatly stenciled as well.
If those were anywhere near operational the Ukr Nazis would have eagerly taken them in as very useful assets against Russian air and ground forces.

​​SHOT DOWN THREE ENEMY SU-27 Major Viktor Dudin has been carrying out the tasks of denazification and demilitarization of Ukraine since the first day of the special military operation. He made his first flight on the morning of February 24. During a combat patrol to cover the advancing group of troops, he found a Su-27 fighter of the Ukrainian Armed Forces. Having skillfully performed an aerial maneuver, Viktor Dudin destroyed an enemy aircraft from the first approach in a duel battle, preventing a strike on our troops. Two days later, the Russian aviator was tasked with hitting the Buk-M1 mobile anti-aircraft missile systems of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. The complexity of the task was the presence of an active enemy air defense system in the patrol area. Skilfully applying the combat experience gained, Viktor Dudin boldly and decisively went for rapprochement with the area of operation of the Ukrainian air defense systems. At an extremely low altitude of 400 m, having identified itself in the enemy's radar field, the aircraft of the Russian air force entered the target area. After turning on the Ukrainian Buk-M1 installation, Viktor Dudin instantly hit it with a missile, while simultaneously leaving the affected area of other SAMs. On February 28, Major Dudin, as part of a pair of fighters, flew to intercept two Ukrainian Su-27 aircraft that were approaching for an air strike. At an altitude of 10 thousand meters, having skillfully executed a maneuver and taking an advantageous position, Viktor Dudin, demonstrating the highest skill, struck the enemy with the first missile. Then a pair of Russian fighters, finding the second departing plane, hit it with crossfire. On March 1, while conducting combat patrolling to control the airspace after the detection of the Ukrainian Su-27 fighter, using the effect of surprise, he destroyed an aerial target with the first missile launch"" @rabotaembrat

Arkanghelsk wrote:​​SHOT DOWN THREE ENEMY SU-27 Major Viktor Dudin has been carrying out the tasks of denazification and demilitarization of Ukraine since the first day of the special military operation. He made his first flight on the morning of February 24. During a combat patrol to cover the advancing group of troops, he found a Su-27 fighter of the Ukrainian Armed Forces. Having skillfully performed an aerial maneuver, Viktor Dudin destroyed an enemy aircraft from the first approach in a duel battle, preventing a strike on our troops. Two days later, the Russian aviator was tasked with hitting the Buk-M1 mobile anti-aircraft missile systems of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. The complexity of the task was the presence of an active enemy air defense system in the patrol area. Skilfully applying the combat experience gained, Viktor Dudin boldly and decisively went for rapprochement with the area of operation of the Ukrainian air defense systems. At an extremely low altitude of 400 m, having identified itself in the enemy's radar field, the aircraft of the Russian air force entered the target area. After turning on the Ukrainian Buk-M1 installation, Viktor Dudin instantly hit it with a missile, while simultaneously leaving the affected area of other SAMs. On February 28, Major Dudin, as part of a pair of fighters, flew to intercept two Ukrainian Su-27 aircraft that were approaching for an air strike. At an altitude of 10 thousand meters, having skillfully executed a maneuver and taking an advantageous position, Viktor Dudin, demonstrating the highest skill, struck the enemy with the first missile. Then a pair of Russian fighters, finding the second departing plane, hit it with crossfire. On March 1, while conducting combat patrolling to control the airspace after the detection of the Ukrainian Su-27 fighter, using the effect of surprise, he destroyed an aerial target with the first missile launch"" @rabotaembrat

Can you put The twitter link ?.

nvm.. found it

https://rg.ru/2022/03/04/v-minoborony-rasskazali-o-geroicheskih-postupkah-voennosluzhashchih-na-ukraine.html

What is Major Dudin flying, Su-35S?

About those suposedly ukrainian Su-24s still flying, there is no proof, it's more likely they are russian planes. Only irrefutable proof that they are ukrainian will do.

From Balancer>>

https://www.tanzpol.org/2022/03/t101441_260--rossijsko-ukrainskaya-vojna.html

Here you see the Tungukas being prepped for torching >>


And here is a still from the "production"

From the same source >>

The savages were given a complex technique, but they do not know how to work with it. More than one BBM in our direction has not been destroyed from the crap, the tube from which I have in my hands.

mack8 wrote:What is Major Dudin flying, Su-35S?

About those suposedly ukrainian Su-24s still flying, there is no proof, it's more likely they are russian planes. Only irrefutable proof that they are ukrainian will do.

I have not seen info regarding this, maybe su30 or su34?

https://t.me/voenkorKotenok/31963

Badass mofo from VDV Alexey bernghard

Arkanghelsk wrote:

mack8 wrote:What is Major Dudin flying, Su-35S?

About those suposedly ukrainian Su-24s still flying, there is no proof, it's more likely they are russian planes. Only irrefutable proof that they are ukrainian will do.

I have not seen info regarding this, maybe su30 or su34?

On aif.ru some Russians wrote he is Su-35S pilot

HEROES OF RUSSIA
04.03.2022 11:46

Category: Power

The Ministry of Defense told about the heroic deeds of military personnel in Ukraine

Text: Ivan Petrov

...

The Ministry of Defense of Russia told about the heroic deeds of the servicemen that they committed during a special military operation in Ukraine. One of the heroes, unfortunately, died. The rest continue to serve.

Alexey Pankratov. Captain. Commander of an anti-aircraft missile division. Photo: Collage of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation / RG

The commander of the anti-aircraft missile division, Captain Alexey Pankratov, from the first day of the special military operation to protect the Donetsk and Luhansk People's Republics, performed tasks to cover a separate motorized rifle brigade from enemy aircraft.

On February 28, 2022, the Armed forces of Ukraine planned to launch an airstrike on the brigade's concentration area. To protect them from air defense systems, a sabotage and reconnaissance group of the enemy moved to the area of the Russian troops ' location, sent to destroy the combat vehicles of the anti-aircraft missile division.

Noticing the advance of saboteurs, Alexey Pankratov gave the command to the division to take up the defense and entered into battle with the enemy. During the defense of anti-aircraft missile systems, Alexey Pankratov saw planes approaching in the sky.

As a result of competent actions, Alexey Pankratov's well-aimed fire shot down one Su-25 and three Bayraktar attack drones of the Ukrainian armed forces, which prevented an air attack on the positions of Russian motorized infantry.

The next day, the forces of the division entrusted to Alexey Pankratov under his direct leadership destroyed two more enemy Bayraktars.

Yuri Nimchenko. Senior sergeant. Photo: Collage of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation / RG

Crimean senior Sergeant Yuriy Nimchenko made the only right decision in 2014, joining the Russian Armed Forces.

Eight years later, the tank commander Yuriy Nimchenko, from the first day of the special military operation, performs tasks to protect the Donetsk and Luhansk People's Republics.

During a combat mission to capture a strategically important object - a river crossing. The tank crew under the command of Senior Sergeant Yuri Nimchenko, overcoming the stubborn resistance of the enemy, reached the line determined by the command to hold the area of the dam of the North Crimean Canal.

On the evening of February 24, units of the Ukrainian armed forces made the first attempt to recapture the crossing. During the attack of the Ukrainian military, the tank crew under the command of Senior Sergeant Yuriy Nimchenko, showing personal courage, bravery and heroism, destroyed three enemy tanks in the first minutes of the battle, thwarting the enemy's offensive.

The next morning, Ukrainian troops again attempted to capture the bridge. This time, the Russian tankers were confronted by a tank battalion supported by infantry. Despite the superior forces of the enemy, Yuri Nimchenko allowed the enemy tanks to come within line of sight and was the first to enter the battle. Within 40 minutes, well-aimed fire destroyed six tanks and three armored personnel carriers, as well as caused significant damage to enemy personnel, as a result of which the next enemy attack was thwarted.

The heroic and decisive actions of Senior Sergeant Yuri Nimchenko, combined with high professionalism, made it possible to complete the task and ensure that the Russian troops occupied the positions without losses.

Anton Starostin. Senior Lieutenant. Photo: Collage of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation / RG

Senior Lieutenant Anton Starostin, commander of a tank company of a separate coastal defense brigade, has been participating in the special military operation since its first day.

During the capture of the ferry, the tank crew under his command was among the first to break into the bridge, which ensured the breakthrough of the main forces to capture and hold the area of the dam of the North Crimean Canal.

On the morning of February 25, an enemy tank battalion attempted to recapture the crossing. Anton Starostin's crew, having taken a tactically advantageous position, resolutely entered the battle with significantly superior enemy forces. Targeted fire destroyed eight armored personnel carriers and dozens of enemy soldiers, which caused significant damage and did not allow them to break through to the crossing on the move.

During the battle, a tank under the command of a Russian officer was attacked by the crew of an American portable anti-tank missile system "Javelin", as a result of which Anton Starostin received a concussion, but did not leave the battle. After making sure that the equipment was working properly, the crew destroyed two more Ukrainian tanks.

The courageous and heroic actions of Senior Lieutenant Anton Starostin, combined with his high readiness, prevented the enemy from breaking through, ensuring the fulfillment of the task of holding the bridge.

Victor Dudin. Major. Photo: Collage of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation / RG

The navigator of the fighter aviation regiment, Major Viktor Dudin, has been carrying out the tasks of denazification and demilitarization of Ukraine since the first day of the special military operation.

He made his first flight on the morning of February 24. During a combat patrol to cover the advancing group of troops, he found a Su-27 fighter of the Ukrainian armed forces. Skilfully performing an aerial maneuver, Viktor Dudin destroyed the enemy aircraft from the first approach in a duel battle, preventing a strike on our troops.

Two days later, the Russian aviator was assigned the task of hitting the Buk-M1 mobile anti-aircraft missile systems of the armed forces of Ukraine. The difficulty of completing the task was the presence of an active enemy air defense system in the patrol area. Skilfully applying the combat experience gained, Viktor Dudin boldly and decisively moved closer to the area of operation of the Ukrainian air defense systems. At an extremely low altitude of 400 m, having identified itself in the enemy's radar field, the aircraft of the Russian Air Force entered the target area. After turning on the Ukrainian Buk-M1 missile launcher, Viktor Dudin instantly hit it with a missile, while simultaneously leaving the affected area of other air defense systems.

On February 28, Major Dudin, as part of a pair of fighter jets, flew out to intercept two Ukrainian Su-27 aircraft that were approaching for an air strike. At an altitude of 10 thousand meters, skilfully performing a maneuver and taking an advantageous position, Viktor Dudin, demonstrating the highest skill, hit the enemy with the first missile. Then a pair of Russian fighter jets spotted the second departing plane and hit it with crossfire.

On March 1, while conducting a combat patrol to control the airspace after detecting a Ukrainian Su-27 fighter jet, using the surprise effect, it destroyed an air target with the first missile launch…

Alexey Bernhard. The Colonel. Photo: Collage of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation / RG

Colonel Alexey Bernhard, after graduating from the Far Eastern Higher Combined Arms Command School named after Marshal of the Soviet Union K. K. Rokossovsky, worked his way up from the commander of an amphibious assault company to the deputy commander of a marine brigade. Performed tasks in the Syrian Arab Republic, was awarded state awards.

From the first minutes of the beginning of the special military operation to protect the Donetsk and Luhansk People's Republics, together with his subordinates, he conducted offensive battles in the direction of Mariupol. Competent and decisive actions of Colonel Bernhard, combined with high professionalism and skilful management of subordinate personnel, made it possible to break into the enemy's defenses in a short time and complete the task with minimal losses.

On March 2, our units decisively broke through the enemy's deep-echeloned defenses, which had been created for eight years. Skilful management of the actions of subordinates allowed us to develop the offensive and contributed to the stampede of enemy units.

Alexey Levkin. Captain. Photo: Collage of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation / RG

Captain Alexey Levkin, commander of a tank company, at the head of a subordinate unit, received an order to move to a certain line of command to perform a combat mission. During the advance to the line, the company was attacked by superior enemy forces from a pre-equipped ambush. Captain Levkin, showing courage and bravery, instantly oriented himself in a critical situation and resolutely entered into battle with the enemy. Alexey personally destroyed two tanks and three infantry fighting vehicles of the enemy. During the long battle, the tank company's ammunition was almost completely used up. The captain decided on an organized withdrawal of the unit to replenish ammunition. Showing personal courage and bravery, the officer remained to cover the withdrawal of the unit. After ensuring the withdrawal of the living and carrying out the wounded subordinate servicemen, Captain Levkin moved to the hill to correct artillery fire and transmit intelligence data to the command post. Thanks to the dedication of the officer, the tank company destroyed eight tanks and three infantry fighting vehicles.

Nurmagomed Gadzhimagomedov. Senior Lieutenant. Photo: Collage of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation / RG

Senior Lieutenant Nurmagomed Gadzhimagomedov has proven himself to be a well-trained officer during his military service. In 2018, less than a year after graduating from the Ryazan Guards Higher Airborne Command School named after Army General V. F. Margelov, he was sent to the Syrian Arab Republic, where he performed his military duty with dignity. In 2020, he was again on a business trip to the SAR for six months.

On February 24, in the column of the battalion tactical group, the officer moved out to occupy the bridgehead that ensures the deployment of forces in the southern direction. While following the column, the servicemen encountered superior enemy forces, who, using residents of populated areas as human shields, opened fire to kill. The combat vehicle in which Senior Lieutenant Gadzhimagomedov was traveling was hit. Nurmagomed instantly left the burning car, opening fire on the attackers, which distracted their attention and allowed the soldiers he led to disperse and take up a circular defense. During a fierce battle, he was in the most dangerous area, confidently controlling the fire of the unit. Having received serious wounds, he continued to fire at the superior forces of the enemy until the last round. He was surrounded, but at the same time, without losing his composure, he showed courage and bravery and blew himself up and the Ukrainian militants surrounding him with the last grenade. The injuries from the grenade explosion were fatal. A hereditary officer, a native of Dagestan, Nurmagomed chose to die and take as many enemy lives as possible, rather than surrender to neo-Nazis.

Senior Lieutenant Gadzhimagomedov repeated the feat of pilot Roman Filipov, who died heroically in Syria in 2018.

Mi 28 and Ka 52 can both be teamed up with a drone. So what Russia may choose to do is send in an Orion drone that acts as a scout and can relay the data back to the manned helos.

The Orion should be armed with Ugroza precision guided rockets so that hostile MANPAD and ATGM units can be identified and immediately targeted. Once the MANPAD, ATGMS units are knocked down then the Mi 28 and Ka 52 can target the infantry vehicles of Ukraine.

I don't understand why Russia doesn't send reinforcements ? They will start loosing what they gained. It would be nice if they send some fresh troops. Maybe 20-25 k.

BBC, Deutsche Welle, and other websites restricted in Russia

Russian media regulator Roskomnadzor limited access to Radio Svoboda (Radio Liberty) and blocked the Meduza news outlet website on Friday morning, its registry of restricted internet resources shows. Both had been designated “foreign agents.” Access to the websites of the German newspaper Deutsche Welle and BBC has also been restricted.

According to the watchdog, access was limited after a decision taken by Russia’s general prosecutor in accordance with regulations to limit websites that contain “appeals for civil unrest, extremism, and participation in illegal mass demonstrations” in light of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.

Meduza, based in Latvia, was accorded foreign agent status in April 2021, because it was alleged that it was funded by non-commercial organizations abroad. Radio Liberty had been added to the same list in 2017, along with the Golos Ameriki (Voice of America) radio station. The Russian Foreign Ministry announced at the time that the measures were reciprocal and had been adopted after RT was obliged to be registered as a foreign agent in the US.

On Thursday, the Moscow TV station Rain (Dozhd) temporarily suspended its broadcasts, having been blocked for two days for alleged false reporting on the offensive in Ukraine. The Russian government designated the channel a foreign agent in August 2021, due to the large donations it had received from overseas organizations. The decision was announced by its owner, Natalia Sindeeva, who said her journalists needed “strength and time to exhale [so as to] understand how to work further,” and that she hoped Rain would one day return to the airwaves.

The radio station Ekho Moskvy (Echo of Moscow), blocked for the same reason, also made the decision to shut down on Thursday. It had been one of the Russian capital’s most popular liberal media outlets, and this was the first time it had been off-air in almost 30 years. Alexey Venediktov, its editor-in-chief, hit out at the decision, insisting the allegations were “not supported by any examples or evidence.” He has vowed to contest the ruling, which he described as “censorship prohibited by the Constitution.”

Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered an invasion of Ukraine last Thursday, after the leaders of the breakaway Donetsk and Lugansk People’s Republics, recently recognized by Russia as sovereign states, appealed for assistance in relation to what they claimed was increasing “aggression” from Kiev’s armed forces. Ukrainian officials insist the military assault was completely unprovoked. The offensive has been met with indignation and a wide range of unprecedentedly severe economic sanctions targeting Russia and a select list of its government officials.

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Excellent. Clean Russias airwaves from these filthy 5th column foreign-funded traitors.

Sujoy wrote: Mi 28 and Ka 52 can both be teamed up with a drone. So what Russia may choose to do is send in an Orion drone that acts as a scout and can relay the data back to the manned helos.

The Orion should be armed with Ugroza precision guided rockets so that hostile MANPAD and ATGM units can be identified and immediately targeted. Once the MANPAD, ATGMS units are knocked down then the Mi 28 and Ka 52 can target the infantry vehicles of Ukraine.

Was Ugroza ever introduced officially into service tho?

According to the Russian MD it was a diversionary group of Ukrs inside the building that was late torched which attacked Russian forces.
I doubt this story. Maybe LDNR forces use Vartas but why would Russian forces use them? OK, maybe to replace broken down similar
pieces of equipment.

Since the regime side is admitting that Energodar and the power plant are under Russian control, I guess Russian forces use captured
Ukr equipment.

Yugo90 wrote:I don't understand why Russia doesn't send reinforcements ? They will start loosing what they gained. It would be nice if they send some fresh troops. Maybe 20-25 k.

I am hearing that there are additional forces being prepared as well as in a holding pattern. I think the recon in force model of this
campaign makes sense. A force of 70,000 is way too small to clean up the massive territory occupied by a rather large population.

kvs wrote:

Yugo90 wrote:I don't understand why Russia doesn't send reinforcements ? They will start loosing what they gained. It would be nice if they send some fresh troops. Maybe 20-25 k.

I am hearing that there are additional forces being prepared as well as in a holding pattern.   I think the recon in force model of this
campaign makes sense.   A force of 70,000 is way too small to clean up the massive territory occupied by a rather large population.

yes ukraine is still a big country. With alot of nazi lovers

It appears that they are gaining a lot of ground around Nikolayev and Mariupol is completely cut off with some heavy fighting.

Nikolayev >>


Mariupol >>


Trophy flag of the 37th battalion of the 56th Fur Brigade of the AFU.

Drones have uses , but they can also be shot down , because they are large and slow , also they are expensive . I was thinking about motorcycle or quad riders , providing a shield to motorised unit of supply convoys . They could ride on flanks of convoy , in a line and sweep ahead of convoys . Range of ATGM , is not long , and ten or so riders on each side of convoy , separated by 100 or 200 meters , will capture in a net , any ATGM nest . Cheaper and safer than helicopters , more practical than drone survey . Once advanced units of armour , taken positions , then supply convoys can have also cage armour . These manufactured en - masse and flown to units to be bolted on .


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BkMCwlcVrpQ

Why Russian soldiers don't target their barracks ? They could do it. Americans would do it 100 %.

Demob Ukraine troops may be employed as border guards for their country , against gun running NAZTO Rats ? Simply as recon , without guns , but with optics and night scope along Polish border ? Or informants in towns against Nazis ?

Yugo90 wrote:Why Russian soldiers don't target their barracks ? They could do it. Americans would do it 100 %.

They have.

They are now hiding out in schools and civil buildings.

I think Russia is trying to preserve the Ukrainian military where possible

If the 3rd round of negotiations fail, Russia may declare a new Ukrainian state. That it hopes some Ukrainian units will switch loyalty to. That may be the plan.

But there are Ukrainian nationalists serving as blocking units (like the NKVD in WW2), and nationalists among the officer corps, and their equivalent of political commissars spread throughout the troops. Together with fanatical propaganda.

In fact much of their tactics are just the same as the Soviet ones in WW2. Including 'scorched earth' by blowing up bridges, and so on. Arming civilians though is certainly a new one.

I'm really not sure about the adequacy of the Russian plan here, as of every Russian plan so far, as of the whole invasion.

flamming_python wrote:I think Russia is trying to preserve the Ukrainian military where possible

If the 3rd round of negotiations fail, Russia may declare a new Ukrainian state. That it hopes some Ukrainian units will switch loyalty to. That may be the plan.

That will happen after they kill off Azov and Right Sektor and what not. Those are the main forces as majority of the UAF or what it was initially, is gone.