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    Post  par far Mon Feb 28, 2022 8:20 pm

    The Russian military in Kiev have opened up a roadway and have told the civilians to get out.

    Kiev's mayor let it out that Kiev is totally surrounded.

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    Post  par far Mon Feb 28, 2022 8:23 pm

    Isos wrote:I haven't looked at french news since the start. Today I turned it on and our politics are already hesitating about the sanctions and trying to find a way to normalize the situation.

    When asked about the membership of Ukraine in EU some officials in Bruxelles didn't even said it was a possibility when asked. They didn't answer the question.

    Germany will face the gas crisis.

    A part of MSM in west no one cares about ukrainians.

    3 rd world like they call it, have seen how racist ukrimainians are and don't give a shit about them and even support their killing.

    UAE and the rest of oil arab states didn't even condemn russian invasion.

    US officials aren't even talking about it directly.

    In 1 week no one will care about and they will settle it with a peace agreement and no nato membership and zelensky will end up like Sakaschvili and that dickhead in Armenia.

    France and Germany will be pissed off. Germany because of gas and France because it has 500 companies operating in Russia that will be sanctionned (Renault sell as much in Russia as in France around 500k cars, now it will be 0) and they will quickly remove those US pawbs in Bruxelles.

    So get realistic a little.

    The big winner in this is China, even the US admits it.

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    Post  par far Mon Feb 28, 2022 8:24 pm

    zorobabel wrote:FIFA/UEFA suspend all Russian clubs and national teams from all competitions



    Just proves they are western stooges.

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    Post  ArgentinaGuard Mon Feb 28, 2022 8:28 pm

    teh_beard wrote:
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    You are in Russia. Let me ask you a question. The Western media here speak of mass mobilizations against Putin. I think they are exaggerating. How is everything there?
    Well... Warry, uneasy, but pretty calm, would be correct assessment of public opinion and action, I guess.
    Nobody particularly cheers for this war, sentiment of "brotherly nation" and all. But en mass, as I see it with my own interactions with people of much different backgrounds, everyone consider it as the point that was inevitable.

    As for mass protests I could not really tell. There are some. Not numbered in thousands, for sure, but the public opinion of them is pretty low - as of rich privileged kids with something to lose, which is most of the time is probably true. I`m myself have no idea - while this whole debacle was taking place I was bug-squishing various integrated systems at water processing facility at Kuz'molovo, earning an honest extraordinary buck. Clearing your mortgage in a year is still a thing in Russia, when you work hard enough on a project all others abandoned, you know.

    Business goes as usual, maybe with new addition of bitter jokes "lets strap MRLS on our truck and go to Ukraine, I heard they need volunteers?", "after watching news I gone on to watch a horror movie to calm down".
    Nobody expects nothing but hard times form this. But there's is no talk among people in small-middle business to insurrection of any sort. If anything, its the opposite - because Russians traditionally consider only themselves worthy of criticizing their state.

    Oh well, we'll see how this will turn down. Whole world order is in turmoil now with all interested parties making moves for what they want.
    Surely Chinese jinx "do live in interesting times" applies.

    Thanks my friend. Memory and history are important.
    Many young Russians did not live through the 90s and the misery they brought to Russia (intentionally). I guess the older ones do. That memory always has to be. Russia has the whole future ahead of it but for that we have to fight. I hope the West stops killing itself and understands it once and for all. You have to respect Russia.

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    Post  Vann7 Mon Feb 28, 2022 8:35 pm

    par far wrote:
    zorobabel wrote:FIFA/UEFA suspend all Russian clubs and national teams from all competitions



    Just proves they are western stooges.

    more importantly ,
    it proof it was a big mistake ,for putin betting in sports..  
    and investing so much in olympic avenues and cosmetic modernization of cities , for tourism
    that will never come..  only true business power in cutting edge high tech and space , is the only
    thing that can bypass sanctions.. things that are too good to ignore.. and that every really wants.. and can't get it from elsewhere. But things that any nation can produce , as it is agriculture or energy , this is not at all anything to feel proud about. everyone sells energy or food. even africa.

    if russia was landing in mars with humans know ,it will have long lines of nations asking for cooperation in space..  having a president with very poor ambitions , is a national security problem.
    when the government of a country don't plan for the future , and modernize their business to achieve  complete independence from the west and from the asian puppets they control.



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    Post  ArgentinaGuard Mon Feb 28, 2022 8:40 pm

    Vann7 wrote:
    par far wrote:
    zorobabel wrote:FIFA/UEFA suspend all Russian clubs and national teams from all competitions



    Just proves they are western stooges.

    more importantly ,
    it proof it was a big mistake ,for putin betting in sports..  
    and investing so much in olympic avenues and cosmetic modernization of cities , of tourism
    that will never come..  only true business power in cutting edge high tech and space , is the only
    thing that can bypass sanctions.. things that are too good.. and everyone wants.. and nobody else can do.



    It is partly true, national sports are important. Russia has an athletic population that deserves healthy recreation. In any case, the Russians and the Arabs are some of the financiers of the Western teams. What will they do without advertising revenue from Gazprom.

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Mon Feb 28, 2022 8:43 pm

    par far wrote:The Russian military in Kiev have opened up a roadway and have told the civilians to get out.

    Kiev's mayor let it out that Kiev is totally surrounded.

    This from the mayor himself and can be proven or is this what someone is saying
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    Post  bitcointrader70 Mon Feb 28, 2022 8:44 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    par far wrote:The Russian military in Kiev have opened up a roadway and have told the civilians to get out.

    Kiev's mayor let it out that Kiev is totally surrounded.

    This from the mayor himself and can be proven or is this what someone is saying

    Apparently he said it himself when AP interviews him but since then he has claimed it’s false.
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    Post  Airbornewolf Mon Feb 28, 2022 8:45 pm

    Sweden is going to deliver weapons to Ukraine.
    https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/sweden-send-military-aid-ukraine-pm-andersson-2022-02-27/

    How would the manuals look like?.....

    I hope they stick to advising to use stingers against T-90's....

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Mon Feb 28, 2022 8:49 pm

    bitcointrader70 wrote:
    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    par far wrote:The Russian military in Kiev have opened up a roadway and have told the civilians to get out.

    Kiev's mayor let it out that Kiev is totally surrounded.

    This from the mayor himself and can be proven or is this what someone is saying

    Apparently he said it himself when AP interviews him but since then he has claimed it’s false.

    So a bogus claim thought so, Keiv isn't encircled according to anyone there even pro russian people on the ground
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    Post  Vann7 Mon Feb 28, 2022 8:50 pm

    ArgentinaGuard wrote:
    Vann7 wrote:
    par far wrote:
    zorobabel wrote:FIFA/UEFA suspend all Russian clubs and national teams from all competitions



    Just proves they are western stooges.

    more importantly ,
    it proof it was a big mistake ,for putin betting in sports..  
    and investing so much in olympic avenues and cosmetic modernization of cities , of tourism
    that will never come..  only true business power in cutting edge high tech and space , is the only
    thing that can bypass sanctions.. things that are too good.. and everyone wants.. and nobody else can do.



    It is partly true, national sports are important. Russia has an athletic population that deserves healthy recreation. In any case, the Russians and the Arabs are some of the financiers of the Western teams. What will they do without advertising revenue from Gazprom.

    sports are important.. you can simply do a park for children or things like that .. but from there ,
    to spend hundred of billions of american dollars in olympic avenues , and major cosmetic improvement of cities , none of that was necessary.. far more profitable for russia ,will have been to promote high tech business and space exploration , so that young generations are motivated to get
    academic degrees in science and engineering.. instead of wasting their time , punching a ball in a park.. or running faster.. swimming faster ,that even though is fun. it doesn't help the a country like russia to help them position better in the world .and influence it away from the western unfair system.

    when russia got many sanctions in 2014 , when they  liberated crimea from nazis..
    putin told.. something like this..



    It will be really bad for us for a short time.  later on, in the long run, it will give us the opportunity to breathe normally, build a self-sufficient economy,  


    Putin told that the sanctions will force russia ,to import substition of western products..
    but what have putin done since 2014 ? what import substition he achieved? oh yeah.. now they produce their own cheese.. and their own chickens and they export wheat.. and told all the billionaires to focus in food business. Rolling Eyes   shows how incredibly ignorant is putin.. because he
    was thinking that all the western business will be always available and open from russia.  

    for me is a good thing ,that russia is completely isolated from the western business..
    this is the only way putin will realize that need to stop developing russia as a gas station and need instead to modernize its business to replace those business that they will be banned .

    donald trump ,told.. any nation who wants to trade with us ,will need to obey our sanctions..
    this is business power /softpower in action.. is the most lethal weapon america have.. advanced business that very few nations have.. and if that wasn't enough , they control the compeition to their advanced business too.. the asian high tech puppet colonies.

    so any nation who wants development ,  have no choice ,but to follow the western system and their rules.  Because to follow a nation that only have to offer gas discounts ,food and nuclear reactors or weapons ,when they not facing war is NOT an option  for vast majority of developed nations.

    what life is teaching Russia is that they need to be independent , that they need to lead in the world in the most advanced business if wants to be taken ever seriously and interest respected.



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    Post  Urluber Mon Feb 28, 2022 8:54 pm

    Hope not posted already but Russia has started to release some material also

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    Post  Airbornewolf Mon Feb 28, 2022 8:57 pm

    [quote="Urluber"]Hope not posted already but Russia has started to release some material also


    Yes i did in my telegram dump of today.
    But no worries, better an accidental double post every now and then, than to miss out on information.
    This one is great footage so i rather have an double post than missed out on this.

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    Post  PapaDragon Mon Feb 28, 2022 8:57 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    LMFS wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:I'm sorry Big_Gazza it's just how it is. And it's a huge problem. We're the aggressor. Putin should have provoked the other side into striking first.

    The civilians in Donbass torn to pieces from nazi shelling beg to differ censored

    They're safe now. Time to withdraw

    You don't have option to withdraw anymore

    It's either total victory and then attempt to survive economic collapse or simply societal collapse and partition

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    Post  kvs Mon Feb 28, 2022 9:00 pm



    Closure of the Mariupol encirclement. Regime forces blowing up bridges and shelling villages they abandon. And people think that
    the regime has local support...

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    Post  miketheterrible Mon Feb 28, 2022 9:03 pm

    ArgentinaGuard wrote:
    Vann7 wrote:
    par far wrote:
    zorobabel wrote:FIFA/UEFA suspend all Russian clubs and national teams from all competitions



    Just proves they are western stooges.

    more importantly ,
    it proof it was a big mistake ,for putin betting in sports..  
    and investing so much in olympic avenues and cosmetic modernization of cities , of tourism
    that will never come..  only true business power in cutting edge high tech and space , is the only
    thing that can bypass sanctions.. things that are too good.. and everyone wants.. and nobody else can do.



    It is partly true, national sports are important. Russia has an athletic population that deserves healthy recreation. In any case, the Russians and the Arabs are some of the financiers of the Western teams. What will they do without advertising revenue from Gazprom.

    Universaid is still capable and brings a ton of money and investments. Kazan made a shit ton over it and it's nothing to do with the West. I think russia can work out a new football grouping with multiple countries. Look at the Africa cup. Brings in tons and limited to just Africa.

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    Post  nomadski Mon Feb 28, 2022 9:05 pm



    Iran was allowed to be weakened , by the sanctions . They were stopped from developing a deterrent power , or to display it . Attacks made by USA , were hidden from the public . Excessive hope generated , regarding the benevolent nature of the West . The situation was allowed to deteriorate , to a level , where it affected the fighting spirit of the nation . When a nation is weakened by this type of politics , it looses the war , when it looses heart . Even if now , an attack takes place , they will surely hide the truth . Their reserves are depleted , their people fighting each other on the street , shooting each other , instead of the enemy . They have lost the capacity to defend themselves .

    Now Russia , I hope is different . That it will display and use deterrence power . That it will tell people of the attacks made on it , so the people can decide and organise . That Russia will not wait too long , and allow it's body and mind to be damaged so much , that it can not fight back ! It is best to strike back , when you are strong , when you can strike back ! A plane , ship or other enemy target ( NATO ) destroyed now , publicized , will confront them with the reality . Will break their spirit , before they get their hopes up ! Therefore better step on them now . Call it pre-emptive deterrence .

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    Post  Cheetah Mon Feb 28, 2022 9:06 pm

    Urluber wrote:Hope not posted already but Russia has started to release some material also

    About the last 20 seconds, thanks for reminding me we don't live in a world of 480p. I genuinely forgot HD video existed for a good while there.

    Also, as a flip to that, interesting just how far the Russian MoD is willing to go with blurring the footage of the targeting system. I'm assuming they have access to the footage, and the overlay as two separate layers, because they blasted the hell out of that footage with some static overlay effect, and downgraded the overlay to a lower quality.

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    Post  flamming_python Mon Feb 28, 2022 9:08 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:
    LMFS wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:I'm sorry Big_Gazza it's just how it is. And it's a huge problem. We're the aggressor. Putin should have provoked the other side into striking first.

    The civilians in Donbass torn to pieces from nazi shelling beg to differ censored

    They're safe now. Time to withdraw

    No they aren't. They are still being shelled. Hence why Russia is moving on behind them.  It's like as if you have no fucking clue strategies of cauldrons.

    And if the regime is Kiev stays, it still won't be safe. Hence why they are going after them as well.

    What the hell regime is Russia going to install in its place? And who will be suicidal enough to volunteer for the role?

    It's at the point where Russia has declared war against the entire Ukrainian people. Even pro-Russian Ukrainians are busy arming up.

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    Post  flamming_python Mon Feb 28, 2022 9:10 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:
    LMFS wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:I'm sorry Big_Gazza it's just how it is. And it's a huge problem. We're the aggressor. Putin should have provoked the other side into striking first.

    The civilians in Donbass torn to pieces from nazi shelling beg to differ censored

    They're safe now. Time to withdraw

    You don't have option to withdraw anymore

    It's either total victory and then attempt to survive economic collapse or simply societal collapse and partition


    Sure we do, back to the DNR/LNR because this whole operation was a ridiculous idea in the first place.

    At the very least, Russia should avoid assaulting Kiev. WTF.
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    Post  Airbornewolf Mon Feb 28, 2022 9:12 pm

    Ukrainians keep pushing out fake shit.
    also uploaded to google drive as Ukraine propagana doctored footage 28th february

    again caught doctoring footage, photoshopping russian markings into older footage and pass it off as new.

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    Post  par far Mon Feb 28, 2022 9:13 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:
    LMFS wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:I'm sorry Big_Gazza it's just how it is. And it's a huge problem. We're the aggressor. Putin should have provoked the other side into striking first.

    The civilians in Donbass torn to pieces from nazi shelling beg to differ censored

    They're safe now. Time to withdraw

    No they aren't. They are still being shelled. Hence why Russia is moving on behind them.  It's like as if you have no fucking clue strategies of cauldrons.

    And if the regime is Kiev stays, it still won't be safe. Hence why they are going after them as well.

    What the hell regime is Russia going to install in its place? And who will be suicidal enough to volunteer for the role?

    It's at the point where Russia has declared war against the entire Ukrainian people. Even pro-Russian Ukrainians are busy arming up.


    The Russian intelligence most likely has a good idea of who those people will be.

    You are on a English speaking forum.
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    Post  SolidarityWithRussia Mon Feb 28, 2022 9:15 pm

    Is Russia able and willing to destroy Nato military supplies (including aircraft) that enter Ukrainian territory?
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    Post  par far Mon Feb 28, 2022 9:16 pm

    Airbornewolf wrote:Ukrainians keep pushing out fake shit.
    also uploaded to google drive as Ukraine propagana doctored footage 28th february

    again caught doctoring footage, photoshopping russian markings into older footage and pass it off as new.



    This is what the west is good at.

    The Duran made a good point, don't believe the nonsense that the west is pushing out on Twitter, Facebook or whatever they are using.

    The best information is on the ground, internet still works, so there is some information that is coming out.

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    Post  par far Mon Feb 28, 2022 9:17 pm

    SolidarityWithRussia wrote:Is Russia able and willing to destroy Nato military supplies (including aircraft) that enter Ukrainian territory?


    Russia is able to destroy NATO military but NATO and its leaders have already said that NATO will not fight Russia.

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