The Situation in the Ukraine. #32

Are you crazy? Are you seeing Zelensky cursing out his handlers in Munich?

Why would Putin kalibrate what is a most pleasant situation?

Zelensky looks like hel need Putins help when this is said and done

Biden closed up shop in kiev and high tailed it out

He is pivoting to Asia , and he cant spend another week in Europe

China just lasered an Australian plane , and PLA aircraft are breaching Taiwans airspace almost daily

India and Japan might also break ranks with the rest of the chihuahas, and Washington cannot afford this

So Biden will meet Putin and be up front, he will tell him that he is pulling the plug on Ukraine and scorching the earth behind him as he gets out of eastern Europe

Putin must contain the fire, as it will spread past Ukraine into Poland, Romania, and possibly the balkans and Turkey

If you remember motolov ribbentrop, gleiwitz incident, and then the khalkin gol and manchurian battles occured

Only this time with China and Russia managing respective fronts and theaters of WW3, there is no need for Russia to shuttle east

Its Washington who is carrying the burden of shuttling left and right without any rest similar to Nazi Germany except the distance between fronts is twice the distance

They wont be able to sustain the two front war, and will have to give up one of the fronts. I think Washington will pull the plug on Europe,  that's just me, the Pacific is much more important for them than continental Europe

Although economically they wont be able to sustain the Chinese theater either...

Its catch 22 for foggy bottom and times running out... death by zircons... or death by df 21...

That civil war option is looking more and more juicy to those poli scientists grads right about now

Sure wouldnt wanna be a planner in thinktankistan right now

I doubt that he is allowed to talk with Separatist regions or his own people. I also doubt that he is facing the threat to be killed by nazis as even before his entrance into politics, nazis were defanged so they wouldn't threaten the current gov. He might use it as an excuse, but it's his handlers that have him by the balls.

Essentially the 1% in the Ukraine saw a chance to switch allegiance from Russia to the west and they jumped with both hands because they thought they could make a lot more money selling weapons and products to the west than to poor backward Russia.

Their mistake was, the west already has transport aircraft makers where performance and quality is secondary to where it is made and who made it.. and are not interested in more competition, so the west demanded they cut their main market and then attacked their companies as they withered with their primary customer separated from them.

When you can't use the commies and any even moderately pro Russians are banned all that is left is the nationalists and nazis... so they used what was there... you say they were defanged... we will see...

His handlers control him of course, you can say that of any politician... except Boris Johnson, that is more to do with inbreeding in the UK upper class, and a poor mental health service...

They clearly thought he could get the job done and has so far completely failed, or they didn't want peace and just wanted what we have now... think about how long the Ukraine has been out of the western media, but then they are slowly collapsing because all the aid their current situation is attracting is rockets... they can't eat rockets.

Now Zelensky is even less western than me. This bastard started censoring the media, started jailing his opponents, and so on. As much as I hate Poroshenko, but at least there would be hope for some negotiations. Now there's none.

Are you joking?

RT DE? Julian Assange, Snowden, Manning... he is being exceptionally western.... look at the contradiction of the Baltic states... they fear domination by their sizable Russian populations so their kneejerk response is oppression and abuse... the opposite of the west which is currently pandering to sexual deviants and religious minorities... trying to be less white... which is hilarious because the 1% are horribly white and horribly rich and actually control the media and the governments and militaries.

Zelensky can burn buildings and murder people as long as they are Russian.

Your biggest mistake, in your attempts to mischaracterize me to fit a strawman that you can easily attack is trying to shoehorn me as a PRO-NATO shill and on their "side".

You are here cheerleading their abuse of the Russia, in what way mischaracterised?

You cheer lead their invasions and bomb attacks... is your last name Rockafella or Kennedy?

You can't form any line of attack that doesn't revolve around that western boogeyman, including your missteps by openly discriminating against westerners with inflammatory and phobic language.

Westerners who recognise the problem speak out... Assange, Snowden, Manning, etc etc etc

I am not attacking anyone, just describing what the west does.... the fact that you recognise the pure evil and don't like it being spelled out so clearly is your problem.

If only you knew my nationality... lol1 what a fucking fool.

I don't care... it really does not matter... you support the 1% and think Putin is a fool for standing up to them... he has given them every chance to follow their own ethics as they describe them but because they are just a show to justify their evil actions they are contradictory and no one could really follow them, it would be impossible.

Navalny is Russia, should I bow to his superior knowledge?

He is a selfish bastard who would sell Russia out for a line of blow and an exotic hooker.

You're in shambles and it didn't take much. I ignored your nonsense and modus operandi cause you're a waste of time... realized that the first couple of times I analyzed your posting patterns and schtick - long ago. A simple partisan, propaganda hack. But since you couldn't help yourself in doing what you do.. well.... You get what you ask for. A good thrashing.

What shambles?

What thrashing?

What are you even talking about?

Personal attacks because your predictions are wrong?

Personal attacks because you are starting to realise the gameplan the west has been playing the last 30 years has created a viable independent alternative to the west...

The fact is simple, you lied and lie all over place and are intellectually dishonest in your argumentations... picking low hanging fruits and targets that stray of the narrative opportunistically (specially if their intellectual capacity or subject knowledge is lower). You can't run away from that, no matter the size of the walls of text you type with nonsense.

Groundless empty accusation... was that part of the Steele report?

I understand you are upset because the west is eating itself and Russia is hunkered down and weathering the shit storm... when the US goes batshit mental because the rest of the world will stop accepting US dollars and their house of cards collapses they will still have a powerful military... and not much else... because when the money fails all those experts leave for better paying jobs elsewhere...

Kinda funny to see you flustered about losing your grip aka control. Jesus what a mess. 32k post investment.

The CIA is sending me that check as we speak. Trust.

This is a public forum, you are welcome to create your own forum if this one upsets you... a forum I wont have mod control over.

Biggest con being that you proclaim to be a westerner but talk of your fellow kin as the evil incarnate.

The bitter thing is that the west uses ethics and morality as weapons to measure opponents that obviously always come up short, yet that same measure is never applied to the west so it can pretend to be the centre of ethics and morality.

Simply applying the wests morality and ethics it fails badly and could only be described as empty and evil... by its own standards.

Worrying about Muslims in China and ignoring the ones the bomb around the world, or the ones they weaponised and use against their enemies in Syria and Libya and Iraq and Iran and Afghanistan and Yemen and Chechnya and many other places too.

But we however know better, "GarryB".... the sheep of this forum obviously don't, and that's why you're here, to shepherd them on the "right" path, with moderation privilege's to boot.

Wow... really got under your skin didn't I. In contact with the CIA... sounds like you are part of the system, so you don't like my criticism... boo hoo.

Now tell us how this is Putins fault too... you remind me of the bad guys in Scooby Doo... you would be getting away with it if it wasn't for those meddling kids.

The problem is you are lazy... don't fix it, just accept there is no perfect system and this works for us... pretty clear you sold out and you are not living in a trailer park on some pension.

Wow.... 13 edits and an animated GIF.... you have gone all Star Wars big budget on us... don't recognise the movie and the rambling text does not make a lot of sense... do you work for Disney?

Would explain the lack of interest in Nazis in power in Europe...

Was it near the American coast ? If Russians are serious about their core national survival , by NATO expansion , then their ( NATO nations ) survival should come under question . Not enough fear exerted ! To shut the mouth of Stoltenberg , with trembling fear !

You clearly don't understand Putin.... starting WWIII is not something he is interested in.

Sending a power message to the west is too late now... Russia couldn't trust them no matter what they said or signed... the message is that Russia is done pandering to the west and trying to play by their rules, the west talks all the time about pivots... the US pivoted to China, while the UK was supposed to hold down Russia.... pretty obvious with the UK screaming about invasions, but ironically the EU was pivoting to Asia in the sense of trade and economic relations... Russia is going to make money as a serious trade route from Asia to the EU, but when they turn away from the west that might become a little problematic, but Russia can use the position it will hold to direct Asia to Africa and Central and South America and to Russia instead of the west...

Besides, if they will take the people out, isn't is exactly what the Ukrs want ?

Only if they don't come back. They are being moved to keep them safe so that later they can return.

Fits in to Putins claims about genocide of course... the locals fear extermination.

The objectives of the west is a political and economic victory over Russia and NOT
a military one.

Russia has already had most of its ties to the Ukraine cut by the Ukraine and the EU and US the opportunity for political and economic victory is zero.

Do you think Europe wanted WWI to happen? Do you think it was all planned?

Lots of bit actors created a situation that rapidly got out of hand and the result was not good for anyone.

The west is not stupid , only putin is.. if people think the west is stupid ,with what they doing
in ukraine is because don't understand their real goals.. is an attrition proxy war .

The west are ideological zealots of the most dangerous kind, they are cutting themselves off from cheap energy... cheap energy Russia will find other customers for easily enough... most of Asia would love cheap energy...

NATO wants to fight Russia to the last ukrainian blood ,but also islamic mercenaries in europe and middle east that they can easily get very cheap. is an economic war , e c o n o m i c    w a r.

They don't expect to get involved... but will Russia allow them to play this game?

NATO don't expeect Ukraine to beat Russia any day. but they know the war will not end ever until
Russia fully capture all of it ,invading with tanks kiev .

Putin doesn't want Kiev... Medvedev didn't take Tiblisi either.

The real difference is that Putin has 4,500km range precision guided conventionally armed cruise missiles that could be launched from open ocean to hit point targets in Europe or anywhere these problems are being managed from...

The west will go apeshit about European countries being attacked for the first time since WWII, but Serbs will likely just chuckle...

The west hope to provoke Russia into invading all the way to kiev and beyond , while them arming the ukrainians and mercenaries they hired to fight. The economic cost for Russia to have a full scale army , as soviet union had in afghanistan will sink the russian budget and slow down all future development of russia for many years and directly affect putin popularity too , because will worsen the quality of life too , with the collapse of the ruble.. and this is not mentioning the energy sanctions from europe too.

That probably is what the west hopes will happen, but this is a Ukrainian issue in the Ukraine... of those two regions don't want to be ruled from Kiev there is no need to destroy it... just destroy their army from afar and do what they did in Syria against better trained and funded and motivated and equipped nutters.

If the west wont get free gas and those not buying gas with long term contracts wont be getting any gas because they wont put any gas on the spot market... they are not obliged to.

The fool here is putin , not the west..   Because NATO can literary keep fueling this conflict
f o r e v e r , until they exhaust Russia economy on its knees.

The fool here is you, when the exercises in Russia end the troops will return to their normal bases... ground troops will be used to defend Russian territory only and will at most enter separatist regions to eliminate terrorist groups of pro kiev forces, but I suspect the locals will want to do that themselves.

Putin can at any point declare that Kiev is not honouring the Minsk agreements and so they recognise these regions to be independent new states.

When the Orcs mass to invade... wipe them out with artillery and air dominance... they did it before.

will not be surprised if NATO completely bomb all lugansk and donetks , with chemical weapons and bio weapons , something i doubt russia is prepared to fight there. and later after those zones destroyed ,they switch to crimea and repeat again.. indeed evil , but none less brilliant in terms of the troubles this will create for russia,

Not even close to brilliant... mass murder, Russia would shoot down every HATO air platform even trying to bomb any part of the region... with permission of the regions whose airspace it is... all legal and fully in line with international law... which an invasion to take Kiev would not be.

Evacuation mentality ! Let's evacuate the women and children , they could get damaged & I don't need them ! Let's evacuate the buildings , they could get damaged & I don't need them ! Let's evacuate the factories , Cows and sheep ! But oh , I need them ! Darn it , they are in Russia , might as well go to Russia , as I need them !

Just common sense to protect non combatants... it means your preparations can be more extensive and effective in blunting an enemy attack.

Drag race. Talk more.

Weren't you the one predicting a Putin invasion and costly painful bloody occupation that bleeds Russia and weakens her to the point where she gives up like the EU has and be a bitch to both the US and EU and I would suspect Japan too.

The US and EU were sending Russian diplomats home, not wanting to communicate at all... why the change?

please if more shelling occurs there better be kalibrs flying to Kiev.

The Ukrainians in these regions know what they are doing... if Russia attacks before the Orcs really start anything then the west wins the moral high ground... I doubt they would know what to do with it of course... they have never really had it before.

If local Orc forces are shelling then the rebels will reply... Zelensky still has a choice... invade or talk and either way he is gone, but at least with talking he might get a chance to escape to the west before the nazis get him... if he invades then Russian assistance might include taking down key targets within the Ukraine...

The squealing from the west will be hilarious and totally hollow of course... especially the images of children being killed obviously...

They have been ignoring the civilians suffering in these break away regions for the better part of the last decade, but they don't care.

I don't like that shit, civilians having to evacuate while their city is getting shelled, they deserve to get kalibr'd and technically speaking that isn't an invasion. Let those fuckheads pay dearly for it.

The shelling reinforces to the locals that Kiev want them dead, so what sort of agreement will they be going for do you think when discussions actually start?

I don't think they want to join the Russian Federation, I don't think that will even be on the table, but they have been operating as independent states this last 7-8 years.... with a real open border to Russia for actual trade, I would say they will grow rather better than the rest of the Ukraine combined...

This is the ultimatum that keeps dragging and dragging. Supposedly it wasn't going to be allowed to be dragged.

There is no time limit on this conflict, this is ultimately down to Kiev to decide whether to follow the Minsk agreements or use force, Putin cannot influence which they take any more than the west has any real control either... they have levers but they aren't prepared to put the money in to actually have a real control of the puppet in power there.

Meanwhile 2/3s of the Russian army are parked around Ukraine's borders.

Good training, and protecting actual Russian territory... western soldiers don't even remember what that even means I suspect.

You know what U.S soldiers are doing? fucking girls, at home and abroad.

The ones that aren't claiming the cubans zapped them with a sonic weapon are probably trying to get into the knickers of 12 year old Japanese girls.

Here is what's going to occur. Putin is going to get unconditional surrender terms once again, with sweeteners for the home crowd to be sold as a win for diplomacy and compromise.

This is about Zelensky and these break away regions... Putin does not control those regions... it is HATO that is surrendering unconditionally... please don't invade and we will make our muppet talk to these leaders of the rebels.

The west listens but does not hear.

And then to think that only 8 weeks ago Big V. came out full of confidence swinging his dick talking big game about how a new security architecture was necessary in Europe. I think he even demanded it.

What do you think is happening?

Gas prices and oil prices are higher for the EU than they have been for a very long time. Putin said he wanted some core security guarantees and the west has essentially rejected them.

Apart from that what else do you think has happened?

HATO forces in Ukraine are leaving, rich 1% people in Ukraine who can leave have also left... even Zelensky is not there, and the west who started with threats about cutting off and cancelling NSII forever and kicking Russia out of SWIFT .... if they attack.... have even backtracked on both of those.

The US president can say what he likes but when the German leader does not say that NSII is over then it isn't over.

And banning Russia from SWIFT is not going to happen either... they have openly said themselves forcing countries trading with Russia including the EU and US to use an alternative payment system essentially bypasses SWIFT... the western controlled payment system... are you that dumb?  America is... but don't you see the problem?

Putin is outmanoeuvred, plain and simple. It's by now obvious he is dead scared of going into Ukraine.

He is now scared of doing something he has been saying all along has no benefits for Russia for him to do...

Putin has based his government on international law... for him to now invade the Ukraine without permission of the locals would be exactly what the US and west does all the time and would also be in violation of international law... I realise you don't know what that means because the west misuses international law who knows what it really is... but Putin knows.

The western media have been repeating that Putin will invade and you believe them.

All his bluffs (recognizing LDPR, invasion) have been called and there is zero progress on the diplomatic front.

When it is clear that Kiev will never honour the Minsk agreement recognising their independence would be the only way for Russia to get normal relations with its neighbour.... otherwise it would remain a frozen conflict.

Kiev can then either invade, and Russia would then legitimately help is new neighbour and crush them, or accept the situation... which I rather doubt and if they tried Zelensky would be overthrown in Maiden II... 10 billion plus muffins perhaps?

The only way out (aside from total capitulation or military intervention) is some sort of farcical deal wherein Russia gets some breadcrumbs but none of the 'security guarantees' will be implemented.

Russia can end its exercises and send its troops home... the message has been received... those troops arrived there very quickly and in large numbers, and the rebels are rather competent... with a bit of artillery support and a few key targets hit and they will piss all over the Orcs.

This is a problem for the west that keeps suggesting new dates for this imaginary invasion... remember the weather and then the Olympics and then some other shit... St Patricks day is coming....

At this point the only thing I am curious about is how it will get spun.

It will either be, we had to destroy the mighty powerful army of Kiev because it was invading a soverign state on our border, or Zelensky is now implimenting the Minsk agreements... or he isn't because the breakaway regions were not party to that agreement and reject it completely because they don't trust the west or Kiev and they have held a referendum and want independence from Kiev.

Although not sure if it will stick, even some usually pretty pro Putin Russian TG groups are starting to get impatient and critical.

If Putin was as rash and impatient as they are, or some on this forum want him to be, he would have been a terrible failure and would have been replaced years ago.

Why plan and think about things if you just act on tantrums and stupidity for short term problems... ignoring the bigger picture.

Not even a Georgia 2.0 OP is an easy pill now. It comes with harsher penalty.

You are not even paying attention... when HATO said no and the US said no Putin himself even mentioned even if they had agreed what would that have even been worth.

The west and the US have no respect for Russia so Russia is pivoting away from the west and the US and is going to look to the rest of the world for future growth and development... deal with it.

Good cop, bad cop routine working wonders too. The Europeans are playing it well. Afterall, they need that gas for the EU... for now of course.

Yeah, incompetence and division rebranded as a cunning plan...

If the EU go for long term contracts they will get gas from Russia but Russia is not going to concede anything...

“Presidents Biden and Putin have both accepted the principle of such a summit,” it added.

However, such a meeting “can only be held at the condition that Russia does not invade Ukraine.”

For the millionth fucking time Russia does not want to invade Shitty Ukraine... Kiev is your problem.

Minsk Minsk agreement..."bear with it my dear"... which means no recognition.

They were stalling on the Minsk agreement, so what you are saying is the mere threat of recognition has forced them to force Kiev to follow the agreements...

So win for Russia.

If I were one of those Donbass refugees I would get the fvck out of the security cordon and either go deeper into Russia to settle or to the EU or anywhere else for that matter. To be a fucking sacrificial lamb for Putin's weak hand games ain't worth it. It's your fucking life. You'll be a fucking idiot to go back.

So lets play If shall we... IF you were a Donbass refugee, why the **** are you expecting the leader of a neighbouring country to solve your fucking problems created by the US and EU? Man up, you pussy and lay blame at American and the EU for fucking your country over to try to hurt Russia... a country you have traded peacefully with for quite an number of human lifetimes... go to the EU and get all that money they promised you... what... they didn't promise you anything... what a bunch of heartless bastards... go on facebook and tell the world what bastards the Americans are... oops you are banned... OK then go to Twitter... oops banned again... why not find a forum where you can speak your mind... what do you mean there isn't one?

To be what, target practice for the Ukrops when the anglo-saxons decide it's convenient to push, again? Hell nah.

Obviously you move to America and spend your days working a troll farm humping their legs for treats.

Budget, logistics, and the nature of the mobilization. Naturally, the responsibility lies at the very top.

Is that Washington?

Vlad was talking about security guarantees - emphasis on was.

Why spin the discussion away from this topic?

Vlad was basically asking the west to respect Russian security concerns by outlining them... he is not an idiot and was not expecting them to suddenly treat Russia or any country with respect... that sort of change just does not happen like that... but now the west is aware of what Russias buttons are, when they stumble along and push them they might remember when the response from Russia comes.

Wont be an attack or invasion... but it will be a real red line for the west and they will recognise it.

After this happens a couple of times there will either be a world war or the west will learn some respect... really don't think Putin is sure which will happen but the current status quo cannot continue.

Hopefully GarryB responds to my request of cleaning up this thread and kicking moron trolls out.  I would say, due to the nature of this conflict, it's best we resort to posting facts about the conflict rather than emotional diatribe that isn't exactly related or only partially.  It's fine to have an opinion, but all this is muddling up the thread.

It is good to have the claims of the trolls... of course when Atlasclub edits his posts 20 times before I even have time to read them of course he is going to go back and eliminate any obviously bad predictions... who cares.

I am very happy because Putin has essentially said enough is enough of your stupid games.

It will create more problems than anything. Russia just needs to assist striking the positions of the artillery batteries to really give it to them. They need to force Ukraine to stand down. So far, their attempt looks like the attempts for the last 20 times as is anyway.

Suicide drones would decimate Orc ranks... and be a good place to test on a European battlefield...

The current situation is that Kievs forces are on the front line, the rebels are ready and civilians on the rebel side are moving to safer places for the moment.

The west is screaming that Putin is going to invade, and Putin is saying he has not right nor reason to invade the Ukraine.

Russia is running exercises in Russia and Belarus, but then HATO forces are in the region too... does that mean HATO is going to invade too?

Why the different interpretation to the same thing?

HATO is openly supplying Orcs with weapons and training them, Russia is not openly doing that.

Almost like these regions are part of the Ukraine and this is an internal Ukrainian matter that if Kiev tries to sort out with violence will find Russia does respond.

The west is all moral and ethical about peace and democracy and diplomacy... and they are evil liars who can't be trusted.

We went from 'NATO should withdraw to its 1997 borders if not military-technical solution' to 'I-i-i really d-don't plan invading U-ukraine please don't sanction me too hard Daddy Joe'.

The Russians are making weapons the US can't... even with its magic money printing machine and a whole continent of sycophants, who are the white western people who robbed and raped the world of resources for the last 500 years plus.

The real point ... the real focus is that Putin does not call the US or EU or HATO daddy, and that is why he is the problem he is.

Xi is the same. How long before Japan and South Korea and India and Brazil and other countries around the world realise there is an alternative to having to go through all the shit that comes with dealing with those european and their American masters...

miketheterrible wrote:

Regular wrote:https://vk.com/wall-123538639_2193113

Why in this day soldiers have to live in such conditions and starve? Covid, TB, Flu... A recipe for filling up medical tents without the war.

You actually believe this? Can't be this dumb.

Mother's of soldiers is one of Navalnys groups. Known to lie countless of times.

Now they need to provide receipts of their claims. Otherwise, it's just stupid nonsense as usual.

And this has nothing to do with the conflict. Please go spread your bullshit elsewhere.

@garryb, please clean up this mess of a thread, while your at it, clean up the morons too.

Those photographs, if they are recent, are from Banderastan. If they are old, they are likely from the 1990s
and totally irrelevant.