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    The Situation in the Ukraine. #32

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    Post  ATLASCUB Mon Feb 21, 2022 7:27 pm

    Here is Zelensky crying...

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    That griter signed up for the job for the sole purpose of enriching himself, with Kolomoisky footing it. If Putin, or the U.S boot him off Kiev as damaged goods, that will be the forced vacation retirement he so desperately, "deserves". In a beach somewhere in Caribbean or Ibiza, if I were him.


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    Post  ALAMO Mon Feb 21, 2022 7:27 pm

    flamming_python wrote:Now imagine if China turns on Russia as well, and they and the West all declare Putin a violator of international law and new Saddam Hussein

    Well. Don't say it can't happen What a Face

    I don't see any good to come from this. If it's a pressure tactic, it didn't work. If it's a bluff, time to call it off has passed. If it's real, then what next? Restart of civil war in the Ukraine?

    On a possibility scale from 0 to 10, I would give that scenario a solid minus five.

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    Post  PapaDragon Mon Feb 21, 2022 7:29 pm

    flamming_python wrote:Now imagine if China turns on Russia as well, and they and the West all declare Putin a violator of international law and new Saddam Hussein

    Well. Don't say it can't happen What a Face

    I don't see any good to come from this. If it's a pressure tactic, it didn't work. If it's a bluff, time to call it off has passed. If it's real, then what next? Restart of civil war in the Ukraine?

    Pro-western Russia is a death sentence to China (CCP version of it at least)

    They may not like it but if they plan on existing they will at the minimum STFU



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    Post  nero Mon Feb 21, 2022 7:30 pm

    NBC reports that the Biden administration discussed with the government of Ukraine the possible departure of Zelensky from Kiev in case of an invasion.

    https://twitter.com/UkrWarReport/status/1495827697498472460
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    Post  ATLASCUB Mon Feb 21, 2022 7:31 pm

    China will support out of self serving interests. Ukraine is but a precursor of what's coming to Taiwan (except is gonna be but worse).

    With that said, certain Chinese enterprises will drag their feet to avoid the U.S boot, as they've done in the past with Iran etc.... they're highly interconnected.
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    Post  miketheterrible Mon Feb 21, 2022 7:33 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:Now imagine if China turns on Russia as well, and they and the West all declare Putin a violator of international law and new Saddam Hussein

    Well. Don't say it can't happen What a Face

    I don't see any good to come from this. If it's a pressure tactic, it didn't work. If it's a bluff, time to call it off has passed. If it's real, then what next? Restart of civil war in the Ukraine?

    Pro-western Russia is a death sentence to China (CCP version of it at least)

    They may not like it but if they plan on existing they will at the minimum STFU




    China needs Russia regarding the Taiwan situation. Add in, energy. So they will keep on russias side. At worst say "diplomacy is needed"

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    Post  Scorpius Mon Feb 21, 2022 7:33 pm

    22:00 (UTC+3)

    Vladimir Putin's emergency televised address to the Russians.
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    Post  Hole Mon Feb 21, 2022 7:40 pm

    Scorpius wrote:Exactly at the moment when Dmitry Medvedev was walking to the microphone, the Russian stock market began to fall. Investors felt the awakening of an Ancient Evil...
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    One of the first phrases of Medvedev: "I remember 2008 well..."
    /the Russian stock market is falling by 10.5%


    And 99.99% of the russian people give a shit about the stock market.

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    Post  Scorpius Mon Feb 21, 2022 7:41 pm

    Putin's speech has begun!

    "Do you want decommunization? We are completely satisfied with this. Why stop halfway?"

    "The total assistance to Ukraine from Russia from 1991 to 2013 only at the expense of preferential prices amounted to about $ 250 billion. In addition, Russia has fully assumed obligations to repay the external debt of the USSR in the amount of more than $100 billion".

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    Post  bitcointrader70 Mon Feb 21, 2022 8:03 pm

    What a waste. What’s the point of acknowledging these 2 shit hole republics. Sanctions are coming. NS2 is gone.

    Should have went for the UK propaganda “lighting war” to take Kiev in 2 days like the west was crying about. This is Putin capitulating. Fucking sad. Big mistake. Russia gains nothing from this.

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    Post  Firebird Mon Feb 21, 2022 8:04 pm

    Vlad seems pretty fed up and run out of patience here.
    Time to fry some Nazis and their GAYTO puppetmasters I suspect..

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    Post  ALAMO Mon Feb 21, 2022 8:07 pm

    Scorpius wrote:Putin's speech has begun!

    "Do you want decommunization? We are completely satisfied with this. Why stop halfway?"
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    Never saw him this way&behaviour, to be honest.
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    Post  Rasisuki Nebia Mon Feb 21, 2022 8:08 pm

    Decommunization of 404 land apparently on the agenda, a long time coming and it's 404 fault.

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    Post  flamming_python Mon Feb 21, 2022 8:10 pm

    ALAMO wrote:
    Scorpius wrote:Putin's speech has begun!

    "Do you want decommunization? We are completely satisfied with this. Why stop halfway?"
    .

    Never saw him this way&behaviour, to be honest.

    Reminds me of his speeches on the eve of the 2nd Chechen war.

    But that was in Russia. This is one of the largest countries in Europe.

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    Post  miketheterrible Mon Feb 21, 2022 8:12 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
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    Scorpius wrote:Putin's speech has begun!

    "Do you want decommunization? We are completely satisfied with this. Why stop halfway?"
    .

    Never saw him this way&behaviour, to be honest.

    Reminds me of his speeches on the eve of the 2nd Chechen war.

    But that was in Russia. This is one of the largest countries in Europe.

    Yeah, one that has pushed russias buttons for too long might I add. If it was USA or Israel, they would have struck then long ago.

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    Post  Kiko Mon Feb 21, 2022 8:16 pm

    Putin set to recognize Donbass – Kremlin, by Jonny Tickle and Gabriel Gavin for RTin Russian. 21/02/2022.

    Moscow will declare the Donetsk and Lugansk People’s Republics to be sovereign states, officials have confirmed.

    Russian President Vladimir Putin has told foreign leaders that Moscow is likely to officially recognize the sovereignty of the the two breakaway regions in Ukraine's war-torn east.

    In a statement released on Monday, the Kremlin revealed that Putin had notified French President Emmanuel Macron and German Chancellor Olaf Scholz that he intends to sign a decree recognizing the Donetsk (DPR) and Lugansk (LPR) People’s Republics “in the near future.” According to officials, both Macron and Scholz “expressed their disappointment with this development.”

    In a statement issued earlier the same day, the EU's top diplomat, Josep Borrell, urged the Kremlin not to make the decision, arguing it could be a precursor to the DPR and LPR being “annexed” by Russia. “If there is annexation there will be sanctions, and if there is recognition I will put the sanctions on the table and the ministers will decide,” he said.

    Macron will now host an emergency security meeting in response to the Kremlin's announcement, Reuters reported moments after it was communicated.

    The move follows requests on Monday from Denis Pushilin and Leonid Pasechnik, the leaders of the DPR and LPR, calling for Moscow's backing. Putin chaired a televised meeting of the Russian Security Council to consider the request, in which he was urged by top officials to grant both regions recognition.

    The two republics split from Kiev's control in 2014, following the events of the Maidan, when violent street protests toppled the democratically elected government in Ukraine. This led to the Donbass war, which was formally ended in September 2014 by the Minsk Protocol, but has simmered since in a semi-frozen state.

    According to the deal signed in Minsk, and a second follow-up text in 2015, Ukraine was required to decentralize its government and give a special status to Donetsk and Lugansk. Much to Moscow’s frustration, Kiev has failed to implement this part of the agreement.

    Despite repeated requests from the Donbass republics to recognize the two regions as independent, Putin had, until now, refused to do so. Instead, Moscow had continued to pressure Ukraine to adhere to its commitments signed in Minsk.

    The Russian president’s decision to declare the independence of the DPR and LPR comes as tensions remain high on the border with Ukraine. Russia stands accused of placing more than 100,000 troops on the frontier, with some Western officials alleging that it plans to invade its western neighbor. The Kremlin has repeatedly denied these suggestions.

    Last week, lawmakers in Russia’s State Duma backed a motion calling on the Kremlin to recognize the sovereignty of the DPR and LPR. The proposal, introduced by the Communist Party, was supported by 351 MPs, with just 16 legislators opposing the move.

    https://www.rt.com/russia/550139-russia-recognizes-independence-donbass/

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    Post  miketheterrible Mon Feb 21, 2022 8:21 pm

    Funny, cause no one in France or Germany said a thing about recognition. So they were informed and they shrugged at it. Hence why even Biden was saying no sanctions on "partial invasion".  Russia won't invade. They will recognize the republics and send weapons to them. What unelected assholes like Borell says means didly squat.

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    Post  ALAMO Mon Feb 21, 2022 8:22 pm

    flamming_python wrote:This is one of the largest countries in Europe.

    The poorest country in Europe, engaged in a full swing civil war due to ethnic, language and religious causes.

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    Post  nero Mon Feb 21, 2022 8:22 pm

    Russia' was trying to reach out to the Western powers for over 15 years now. Obviously, they decided enough is enough.

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    Post  George1 Mon Feb 21, 2022 8:22 pm

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    Post  ATLASCUB Mon Feb 21, 2022 8:26 pm

    nero wrote:Russia' was trying to reach out to the Western powers for over 15 years now. Obviously, they decided enough is enough.

    Russia was trying to integrate and prevent all of the Russian empire's sphere of influence including its new republics from being absorbed into the Western freight train after the USSR collapsed. Western planners are not stupid and did what they were supposed to do, saw a collapsing empire and advanced their positions and filled the void.

    Now Russia ain't happy about it... who would have guessed? "You may not like it, but you will bear with it my dear". It's the way this has always worked. Loser loses and concedes... winner moves in.


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    Post  flamming_python Mon Feb 21, 2022 8:27 pm

    With such a speech, you can declare war on the whole of NATO
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    Post  par far Mon Feb 21, 2022 8:27 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:Funny, cause no one in France or Germany said a thing about recognition. So they were informed and they shrugged at it. Hence why even Biden was saying no sanctions on "partial invasion".  Russia won't invade. They will recognize the republics and send weapons to them.  What unelected assholes like Borell says means didly squat.


    This is the way I see it as well, i am pretty sure Germany and France knew before that this action would be taken.

    What does the action do to the Minsk agreement is the big question?


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