The Situation in the Ukraine. #32

Arkanghelsk wrote:https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.marketwatch.com/amp/story/russias-top-diplomat-says-talks-should-continue-because-u-s-has-offered-missile-deployment-limits-01644844184

Lavrov noted that even though the U.S. and its allies have flatly rejected those demands, Washington has offered to conduct dialogue on limits for missile deployments in Europe, restrictions on military drills and other confidence-building measures.

No lies, Biden in Geneva made these proposals

So I must ask, what am I lying about? If State department wants to negotiate missile limits, troop deployments, and has left for Lvov

What kind of rejection is that?


 In talks with Russia on Monday, U.S. officials raised the possibility of limiting missile deployments in Eastern Europe and the size and scope of its military exercises, if Russia reciprocates, U.S. Deputy Secretary of State Wendy Sherman told reporters afterward.

SeigSoloyvov wrote:

Arkanghelsk wrote:https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.marketwatch.com/amp/story/russias-top-diplomat-says-talks-should-continue-because-u-s-has-offered-missile-deployment-limits-01644844184

Lavrov noted that even though the U.S. and its allies have flatly rejected those demands, Washington has offered to conduct dialogue on limits for missile deployments in Europe, restrictions on military drills and other confidence-building measures.

No lies, Biden in Geneva made these proposals

So I must ask, what am I lying about? If State department wants to negotiate missile limits, troop deployments, and has left for Lvov

What kind of rejection is that?


 In talks with Russia on Monday, U.S. officials raised the possibility of limiting missile deployments in Eastern Europe and the size and scope of its military exercises, if Russia reciprocates, U.S. Deputy Secretary of State Wendy Sherman told reporters afterward.

These proposals have nothing to do with those treaties, sanctions, or pulling states out of NATO....

Putin also refused all of these, we offered them weeks ago and he didn't accept them.

So yes you are lying or you clearly do not understand what was being said. We proposed limiting missile, and troop deployments in NATO countries on russia's border. Not withdrawing say the baltic states from NATO.

No missile treaties are being worked on, nor is open skies.

Dude you read old ass information and took it WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY out of context

SeigSoloyvov wrote:Dude.....your reading comprehension is awful and you are taking quotes out of context, no wonder why you believe the stuff you do.

The items I stated were already refused, you can go back a few weeks and find Putin saying "No"

This conversation is just Lavrov telling Putin in a long manner "We are trying to talk but they don't want to listen". Plus this meeting is just for show, if it was a real meeting there would be others present.

"We at the Foreign Ministry are convinced that this approach must remain a priority. In developing a dialogue on some aspects that are of practical importance today, with our Western, primarily American colleagues, we will be seeking in parallel their responses to the legitimate concerns that we have raised and that you have repeatedly confirmed, including at the news conference with Emmanuel Macron. I believe you have very clearly described the potential for drawing Ukraine into NATO under these conditions, considering Kiev’s ambitions."

Not to mention there is a contradiction here, they want dialogue with us but we have made it clear Russia ain't telling us whose joining NATO and we aren't pulling back. We offered them some troop and missile limitations and that was all Russia will get, they refused. France might be willing to accept a Neutral Ukraine but the others aren't.

Now if you want to make these full of shit statements, find me an official source from the US we are ejecting the baltics from NATO, and we are pulling back all forces, we are restarting INF, Open Skies.

You won't find that because it doesn't exist.

SeigSoloyvov wrote:@Arch

Lol your full of shit, We will not sign an INF treaty unless China also signs on. You are taking the remarks out of context. This alone shows how delusional you are thinking.

You are also insane if you think we are kicking the Baltics out of NATO and pulling back.

medo wrote:Russian State Duma recognize independent states of DNR and LNR and sent document to be signed by president Putin, who have time for 30 day to sign it. Ukraine have now very short time to start implementing their part of Minsk 2 agreement. As USUK hysterical screaming will continue, there is very little chance, that Ukraine will implement Minsk 2. So, recognition of independent states of DNR and LNR is inevitable. Most probably they will quickly become mebers of ODKB and Shanghai organization to get full protection against NATO.

JohninMK wrote:

medo wrote:Russian State Duma recognize independent states of DNR and LNR and sent document to be signed by president Putin, who have time for 30 day to sign it. Ukraine have now very short time to start implementing their part of Minsk 2 agreement. As USUK hysterical screaming will continue, there is very little chance, that Ukraine will implement Minsk 2. So, recognition of independent states of DNR and LNR is inevitable. Most probably they will quickly become mebers of ODKB and Shanghai organization to get full protection against NATO.

As I understand it United Russia has also put forward a similar Bill which has been sent to Ministries for comment (kicked into the long grass). This Bill overrides the earlier one. Either way Putin may or may not sign.

It is not in Russia's strategic interests to recognise them yet as, if the Minsk deal is implemented, Russia needs them to be in Ukraine as a political balancing force to help stop any NATO application. If Minsk goes down the tubes then maybe then, we will see.