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    The Situation in the Ukraine. #32

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    Post  ATLASCUB Fri Feb 18, 2022 10:30 am

    GarryB wrote:

    We realise the only thing that would make you happy is another war in Europe, but Putin is not an irrational fool like so many western leaders or their allies.


    You realize nothing. A damage control bot like yourself thrives on conflict to "explain things" and keep unsuspecting sheep  on a narrative. Selective on the outrage and who to reply to. Considering your hypocrisy on all of these topics, up to the point of discriminatory and inflammatory commentary against "westerners"... not to mention dream porn of Russian wunderwaffe and silly war commentary you should know better than to throw ad-hominems with that sort of glass house. A simple propagandist, intellectually dishonest to the core, as all propagandists are. Get back to the drawing board and draw up new talking points.

    When it comes to this conflict, something will give. How that will take form is anyone's guess. Whether through war, or a power ceding and conceding to another (masked behind a win-win "compromise") something will give. That's the point dummy. "WE" know better, but "WE" couldn't pass up the opportunity to be disingenuous and try to mischaracterize my comment as a "war monger". A "low hanging fruit opportunity". How simplistic. clown jocolor

    Maybe ask for a rubble pay rise, see if it can boost "WE's" intellectual capacity.

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    Post  GarryB Fri Feb 18, 2022 10:47 am

    Blah blah blah...

    Putin is an idiot and Russia is going to invade and start the Afghanistan II war for the Soviet Union... which never died because it lives on in Putin.

    Except as I keep telling you, Russia has no reason to invade the Ukraine... in fact if Kiev stopped shelling those regions they could care less about the place.

    Russia, like any country that is not the west, wants good relations with its neighbours... it was expensive to retain good relations with the Ukraine... they were very high maintenance, so now they have been stolen by the west the financial burden is now gone, which is a relief.

    Russia does want a buffer between it and HATO so if Kiev does join then the Ukraine is going to lose its troubled regions because any buffer is better than nothing.

    The irony is that when they open the borders with these regions and those regions start trading again with Russia their economies are going to dramatically improve because Russia is used to buying their products... unlike the US or EU who are not interested in products from the Ukraine.

    Kiev joins HATO or doesn't join HATO, there is nothing Russia can do to stop that, but there are plenty of things they can do in response to that that might seriously upset the west.

    For two decades now the west has complained that Russia works against them... not just in Russias own interests but actively works against the west and is their enemy.

    They have no idea what a Russia actually working against the west would be like... maybe they might find out if they follow through on HATO expansion.

    The irony is that in 30 or 40 years time this period might be looked back upon with nostalgia as a time when the west had free reign and total power and did **** all with it.

    Instead of building new partnerships and strengthening economies and cultures they went the other way of division and destruction, so when the rest of the world rejects what the west has to offer in favour of some mix of Russian or Chinese or even their own view of the future we can all blame the Blairs and the Bushes and Clintons and Johnsons and Mays and Microns etc etc etc.

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    Post  ATLASCUB Fri Feb 18, 2022 11:04 am

    The Situation in the Ukraine. #32 - Page 17 Splash-screen-bullshit-meter

    Your boy Putin offered the better deal and outbid the EU....  a lot of billions for a country nobody cares about. A lot of billions for a country nobody "should" care about.

    Somehow they don't care about any Russians inside Ukraine (ethnic majority) outside of contested borders of the Donbass (drawn up on the fly)...

    Somehow Russia doesn't care about Ukraine but will threaten to prevent NATO ascension of Ukraine with "military-technical" measures and potential invasion ambiguity.... consequences of which could equal a break up with the West (most influential and powerful economic, political bloc on the planet). That's a lot on the line for a country Russia doesn't give a shit about...

    I could go on and on...

    Why the obvious lie? why the obvious spin? why the damage control day in, day out, for 32,000 posts? Black is white...

    I know why...

    It's too easy, but dimwits here can't even spot damage control bots like this. Like I said, a simple propagandist, intellectually dishonest, trying to keep the sheep of this forum on a cohesive narrative (whatever places the Kremlin in a positive light). It's the job folks. To other users here...pay a bit of attention to the patterns. BTw he doesn't give two shits what you think of him, he only cares about what the unsuspecting sheep believe (that's, anyone that can be influenced to think a certain way). Sad, but it's what it's.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Fri Feb 18, 2022 12:32 pm

    What is Atlasclown on about now?

    Hey nugget , Russia did offer Ukraine a better deal, but it did not offer oligarchs EU citizenship and free bags of IMF money, so your drivel went flying out the window

    Yes Russia doesn't care about Ukraine, that's why Antonov and Zorya MashProekt are making wood stoves and pencils

    NATO membership is another animal so yes, 200,000 vacationers are parked all over the place

    It's obvious Russia is not too scared of getting kicked out of the LGBT treehouse, not when China has a GDP which is larger than USA, and when oil is breaking 100/barrel

    If he was a propagandist he would have kicked you off here a while ago for insulting admins/mods, you wouldn't be so lucky in other forums but you come to the "Russian Defense Forum" to release the biweekly panic attacks, but thank God your here with the crystal ball to enlighten us sheep, you think really highly of us, so thank you!

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    Post  Hole Fri Feb 18, 2022 12:34 pm

    VARGR198 wrote:

    Maybe that´s the solution. Laughing
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    Post  sundoesntrise Fri Feb 18, 2022 2:44 pm

    Head of DPR Denis Pushilin has ordered the evacuation of all women +children to Russia.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/PLnewstoday/status/1494664020288286728

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    Post  magnumcromagnon Fri Feb 18, 2022 2:50 pm

    Hole wrote:
    VARGR198 wrote:

    Maybe that´s the solution. Laughing

    Maybe the solution to prevent a 'Final Solution!' Shocked

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    Post  Isos Fri Feb 18, 2022 2:51 pm

    Your boy Putin offered the better deal and outbid the EU....  a lot of billions for a country nobody cares about. A lot of billions for a country nobody "should" care about.

    Actually Ukraine is quite important. A popultaion of 45 million, fertile lands, nice left over industries from soviet times and they connect Russia to the Balkans.

    From an economic point of view it's a very useful coubtry for Russia. If they annexe it they will have a population of 200 million people abd a nice buffer zone against NATO.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Fri Feb 18, 2022 3:14 pm

    The DPR and LPR have begun evacuating the entire population of donetsk and Lughansk to Russia

    https://sputniknews.com/20220218/dpr-head-announces-start-of-mass-evacuation-to-russia-amid-shelling-by-ukrainian-forces-1093144799.html

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    Post  Firebird Fri Feb 18, 2022 3:19 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:The DPR and LPR have begun evacuating the entire population of donetsk and Lughansk to Russia

    https://sputniknews.com/20220218/dpr-head-announces-start-of-mass-evacuation-to-russia-amid-shelling-by-ukrainian-forces-1093144799.html


    THat means war is starting unless the filthy Washington gang-Banderites scurry back under their rocks 100s or 1000s of miles away.

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    Post  bitcointrader70 Fri Feb 18, 2022 3:23 pm

    Lmao why are they evacuating civilians if the “mighty rebels” are able to handle Ukrainian forces all on their own?

    Too many delusional people on this site. Looks like Russia will have to go in to prevent the seperatists from getting their shit pushed in.

    The rebels almost lost in 2014 and Russia has to intervene.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Fri Feb 18, 2022 3:39 pm

    They're evacuating civilians so that when Kiev hits the republics their are no unnecessary losses of life

    We saw in 2014 Kiev killing Grandmas and children

    But when they came face to face with the rebels in debaltsevo it ended very badly for 1000 orcs

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    Post  bitcointrader70 Fri Feb 18, 2022 3:41 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:They're evacuating civilians so that when Kiev hits the republics their are no unnecessary losses of life

    We saw in 2014 Kiev killing Grandmas and children

    But when they came face to face with the rebels in debaltsevo it ended very badly for 1000 orcs
    Bullshit in debaltsevo the Russian military bailed their ass out.

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    Post  dino00 Fri Feb 18, 2022 3:51 pm

    bitcointrader70 wrote:Lmao why are they evacuating civilians if the “mighty rebels” are able to handle Ukrainian forces all on their own?

    Too many delusional people on this site. Looks like Russia will have to go in to prevent the seperatists from getting their shit pushed in.

    The rebels almost lost in 2014 and Russia has to intervene.

    Vann7 shut-up

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Fri Feb 18, 2022 4:09 pm

    What Russians? To this day there is no proof of any Russian in Debaltsevo

    The UAF got f*cked by rebel militia

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Fri Feb 18, 2022 4:13 pm

    UAF is poor at fighting, they have no military experience, and got wrecked bad at Debaltsevo and Ilovaisk

    If US got mashed by Taliban, it makes sense UAF to lose to militia

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    Post  flamming_python Fri Feb 18, 2022 4:21 pm

    Ukrainian Spetsnaz have infiltrated Gorlovka, battle took place




    Head of the DNR announced evacuation of women, children and elderly from the republic to Russia


    Posters in Telegram groups announcing the evacuation


    Air raid sirens going off in Donetsk. Just a test it looks like though


    Biden has earmarked the 20th of Feb as the day of the Russian invasion.
    I think it's likely the Ukro attack will take place tomorrow evening or night.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Fri Feb 18, 2022 4:54 pm

    Yeah Flaming looks right on this, the Orcs got the command to go into Donbass, they're taking casualties at the contact line

    DPR and LPR hit them with God knows what it looks like , they didnt expect resistance like this

    They need to move quick or it will fizzle out

    Rebels probably will hold and move to kramatorsk and Mariupol after absorbing the first offensives, once UAF runs out of steam, they wont be able to mark their own borders anymore

    Kiev will fall in days

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Fri Feb 18, 2022 5:08 pm

    Those Russian nuclear drills might be annual, but they're on time

    Whatever happens , they will at least keep the west at low DEFCON warning
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    Post  flamming_python Fri Feb 18, 2022 5:09 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:
    Kiev will fall in days

    I'm afraid it will be a very bloody battle. I don't know how long it will last for.
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    Post  bitcointrader70 Fri Feb 18, 2022 5:10 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:Yeah Flaming looks right on this, the Orcs got the command to go into Donbass, they're taking casualties at the contact line

    DPR and LPR hit them with God knows what it looks like , they didnt expect resistance like this

    They need to move quick or it will fizzle out

    Rebels probably will hold and move to kramatorsk and Mariupol after absorbing the first offensives, once UAF runs out of steam, they wont be able to mark their own borders anymore

    Kiev will fall in days
    Delusional. They might be able to hold off the push with their artillery. But taking territory of their own? They are outnumbered 3-1. I have to ask dude. And I don’t usually do this. But are you schizophrenic or a paid troll?

    Kiev will fall? Are you serious ?

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    Post  Isos Fri Feb 18, 2022 5:10 pm

    What a bunch of crap. Ukraine will never attack Donbas when Russia has 100k troops over the border waiting for any bad move from Ukraine to go in.

    Those separatists are stupid with their made up stories. Putin shouldn't use them at all. They will screw up his plans.
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    Post  Arkanghelsk Fri Feb 18, 2022 5:13 pm

    https://sputniknews.com/20220218/powerful-explosion-rips-through-donetsk-sputnik-correspondent-says-1093149084.html

    Powerful explosions in donetsk

    UAF probing the contact line
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    Post  medo Fri Feb 18, 2022 5:13 pm

    Don't forget, that LDNR artillery also made heavy strikes on Ukrainian positions. LDNR army is ready and there is no surprise factor. LDNR were good at keeping things secret, so very little is known about LDNR defense. We know nothing about mobilization of reserves, which bring army to 100.000 troops. There comes a lot of volunteers, but not much is known.

    We must not forget, that in Ilovaisk and Debalcevo LDNR army captured huge quantities of Ukrainian armament and ammunition and that LDNR also have a lot of tanks, armored vehicles and artillery... Because of Russia on the other side of border with SAMs and ECM, there will not be much of air support, but on the ground they are more or less equal. Ukraine will not have NATO support, US and UK lie to Ukraine, they will be alone. With war starting, there will be no fuel, food,... from Russia and Belarus and money also flee from Ukraine, so they will not be able to finance and supply the war for a long period of time. On the other hand LDNR will not have those problems.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Fri Feb 18, 2022 5:18 pm

    LDNR can handle the UAF theres no question Medo

    The question is how quick they can break Kiev

    Remember UAF has to cover Crimea and Belarus Bovarka and Rechitsa buildup sites

    UAF cannot cover LDNR in equal ratio or their flanks collapse to Russian exposure

    UAF will not last long if they fight this way

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