The Situation in the Ukraine. #32

https://vk.com/strelkov_info?z=video-57424472_456287505%2F7972eba6dc55a88eef%2Fpl_wall_-57424472

DNR artillery strike ukrainian positions.

Arkanghelsk wrote:Russia doesnt have to go into Ukraine ffs

Same shit as zelenopillya will happen and orcs will get roasted by mythical invisible Russians

Ukraine was strongest in 2014, that's a fact with momentum from Maidan, a war president in Poroshenko and the capable Obama which was the best Washington produced in last years, Biden was also not vegetative at the time and America had not collapsed from January 6th, Trump had not happened yet.

If Ukraine could not storm Donetsk at the time , theres no hope for it doing so tonight

Again the issue is ukraine in nato not donbas.

Those rebels can hold as long as they want no one cares, neither russia care about them. It's been almost 10 years that Russia could have solved that issue quickly, as quickly as in Crimea. But they didn't.

The real issue is Ukraine intentions to go in Nato. Ukraine isn't just the donbas. If they enter nato they will ha e US bombers and missiles in the west of the country. That's what Russia doesn't want.

Anyway I've made my views clear

If it is indeed a Ukrainian provocation, then of course the DNR/LNR are fully right in responding




I'm not naive enough to believe that the Ukrainians bought Baikatyrs just for show of course.

flamming_python wrote:

Arkanghelsk wrote:Russia doesnt have to go into Ukraine ffs

Same shit as zelenopillya will happen and orcs will get roasted by mythical invisible Russians

Ukraine was strongest in 2014, that's a fact with momentum from Maidan, a war president in Poroshenko and the capable Obama which was the best Washington produced in last years, Biden was also not vegetative at the time and America had not collapsed from January 6th, Trump had not happened yet.

If Ukraine could not storm Donetsk at the time , theres no hope for it doing so tonight

You're assuming the Ukraine is the one that's ready to storm Donetsk.

And yes it could well be, but also it could be the situation being driven into conflict artificially by Moscow and the republics themselves

It has never become peaceful of course. But there haven't been exchanges in artillery quite like this.

And this is the wrong move if it goes on and becomes serious.

Ukrainian membership into NATO is going to happen, there is no way to prevent that but war at this stage. The "experts" here who have never once in their life dealt with matters like this might say otherwise but that's fools being fools.

If you want to prevent NATO from entering Ukraine, it's come to force. Diplomacy has failed.

SeigSoloyvov wrote:

flamming_python wrote:

Arkanghelsk wrote:Russia doesnt have to go into Ukraine ffs

Same shit as zelenopillya will happen and orcs will get roasted by mythical invisible Russians

Ukraine was strongest in 2014, that's a fact with momentum from Maidan, a war president in Poroshenko and the capable Obama which was the best Washington produced in last years, Biden was also not vegetative at the time and America had not collapsed from January 6th, Trump had not happened yet.

If Ukraine could not storm Donetsk at the time , theres no hope for it doing so tonight

You're assuming the Ukraine is the one that's ready to storm Donetsk.

And yes it could well be, but also it could be the situation being driven into conflict artificially by Moscow and the republics themselves

It has never become peaceful of course. But there haven't been exchanges in artillery quite like this.

And this is the wrong move if it goes on and becomes serious.

Ukrainian membership into NATO is going to happen, there is no way to prevent that but war at this stage. The "experts" here who have never once in their life dealt with matters like this might say otherwise but that's fools being fools.

If you want to prevent NATO from entering Ukraine, it's come to force. Diplomacy has failed.

Let's Say Ukraine joins NATO and the neo-nazis in Ukraine attack Crimea, do you think that NATO is going to fight Russia on behalf of Ukraine?

NATO is already pulling out its "advisers" from Ukraine and nothing has even started.

If Ukraine joins NATO, than NATO will be naked and it will be a paper tiger.

Russia has already made it clear they don't give a **** about the sanctions and they will fight Ukraine from joining NATO.

I am pretty Russia knows if Ukraine will join NATO or not and Russia most likely has plans for both situations.

Let's wait and see what happens in the next few days.

They didn't bring 2/3 of their army round ukraine for the show. They will clearly attack IMO.

They should also considere sending ATGMs to all US enemies that are fighting US everywhere in the world. Same way as US send to ukraine.

They have no other choice.

bitcointrader70 wrote:

This guy must be a paid troll. He is delusional. Words don’t mean anything. They mean nothing at all. The German guy says nato is not on the agenda mean while Ukraine president wants a clear timeline of joining NATO.

This forum like to do 20d chess mental gymnastics. For years several guys on here have been saying that that Russia doesn’t have to do anything and the Kiev regime will fall apart on its own. And yet here we are.

Arkanghelsk and Garry B are the kings of mental masturbation and spinning. These guys would make a color revolution/civil war in Russia seem like a good thing.

Welcome to the reality in this forum , is full of fanboys apologist and people detached from reality starting for their moderators , of one of the most incompetent and out of touch with reality head of state in the history of the planet ,aka. vladimir putin. And a president have to be amazingly stupid and incompetent , in order to make a super power like Russia was through history , to perform so mediocre today in the things that most matters , that is in leadership , in the ability /skill to influence nations into their orbit , instead of their adversaries.


This entire conflict of ukraine ,the core of its issues ,is no different than armenian conflict , than belarus conflict , than kazakistan conflict. Basically the west is destabilizing all russian borders they can , to take out of balance Russia , in economic and political terms with those that the Anglozionist axis have strong influence.

The question nobody ask , is , why the west is so successful in destabilizing /influencing nearly all borders of Russia away from Russia orbit?  Why the west is so dam successful always to create revolutions there to remove any pro Russian leadership from power? When is not their government the one influenced by the west , then is the people that is successfully brainwashed into the western orbit and then , they used to remove in a revolution the government not aligned with the west.

It is because the west have magical powers ,that can hack the people minds , hypnotize them , so they support the west and not Russia? What is the secret weapon the west have ,that always , always no matter which country , that country always surpass russia in influence , its people and also the governments they have too.. and if not aligned with west then removed.  don't anyone see the pattern repeating again and again?

The secret weapons the west have.. BUSINESS POWER . so called "softpower" , this is the real true power  . because if you can control people desires ,what they want ,you can control them.
And the west created a system , a world order , a banking ,technological and cultural empire that is there , and you can't avoid it and while is not perfect.. is the only thing that is an option for any nation to have unless you have to be CUBA or North Korea ,or totally disconnected from the civilized world.


Putin is the only one to blame for all this problems , Russia federation face. he have been consistently for 22 years already since he took presidency in 2000 , the softpower /business power of the west that is very dangerous for Russia interest , because the west demands any nation that if they want to trade with America or any of its colonies ,they need to follow their demands.. and naturally the rest of the world do a comparison..

what does Russia have to offer me as a nation that i can't get already with the western alliance system? from the point of view of 95% of the countries in this world.

1) gas discounts..
2) Weapons
3) Matryoshka dolls  
4) Vodca?
5)cheap wheat?  

So while im not a fan of totalitarian dictator west , the direction they moving , at the same time ,
from a technical point of view , i can understand why the arrogant west feel the need to want to
remove Russia ,from the world political map , and it is because the west genuinely feels , Russia is
an incredibly outdated nation ,  with an outdated economy ,with very outdated business and a super outdated culture . and i do feel the same way..

Russia is being destroyed slowly from the inside , by brainwashing its own society ,as they did with belarusian and ukrainian young generations. and you can observe that , by the massive exodus of russians abandoning russia..  if an exodus of russians millions that have left ,is not a warning signal
that russia is sinking , then what it is ?   if ethnic russians leave , muslims will become majority and means an even much worse future for russia ,with religious ignorance ,becoming the law in the nation.

so the west can very incredibly easy convince nations into their system, by luring their societies with their overwheming business power , of their alliance of countries.. versus putin's gas station. Most nations do it ,NOT because of love for america , because everyone knows the west is highly corrupt and evil system. But most nations agree to become their colonies and puppets..there is no other option left , a backward gas station Russia is not an option ,unless they want to be another isolated country in the world  And it was vladimir putin , and no one else ,the person that was in charge of the Russian budget , the one in charge of how the nation economy direction will be.. and it was him ,that imbecile that allowed the west to continue increasing their power by offering no competition to the western system business.  How can Putin expect to be respected in a system that was created precisely to put into submission the entire world under anglosystem rule . Russia not even tried it , during putin failure administration to offer an alternative to that system.  only china , is the only nation trying. by developing an economy that directly targets the anglo american western business influence over the world.

All this "Saving Russia economy" during the early 2000's its collapse will be totally useless if in the end Russia is still slowly destroyed by its own incompetence of their managers , for not understanding how to fight the west.  The west is now moving to consolidate its system ,by removing its weakest part , their artificial economy. This is what the great reset is all about , but before they can do that ,they need into total submission majority of its society , and make everyone totally dependent on the government , for food or anything. total control is what they now doing.. and once they do this , they will not even need to fight russia anymore , it will be left isolated like north korea and it will die when its own christian population abandon and only  muslim minorities rule.

So enjoy the show , to observe the weakest president in world history to complain every day ,how ukraine is bombing their country..  he created this mess , by allowing the west ,to grab Ukraine government with a revolution and grab their society with their galaxies away superior business.


When it comes to ukraine , the fact they removing civilians from donets and lugansk , is an indication they know the entire cities will be destroyed by ukraine ,to provoke a russian invasion. and likely they will use chemical and biological weapons to fight russia , using drones.. and what will putin do? nothing.. because he is an imbecile incompetent and always have been. He will only do the same thing he can only do . nothing , delays things , sacrifice civilians lives and future . sacrifice his military as guinea pigs and compliments to their families when they killed. when donbass destroyed , they will repeat the same and attack crimea ,using same tactics. so putin can't avoid a war ,he only can delay it , but can't avoid it .The west simply have putin's grab by the balls.. for how mediocre he managed the entire thing ,and there is very limited space for him to move..  and i will not mind he being removed from power by his own generals.. that idiot needs to go ,for along time.. already.  To fail so much in 20 years  with all the scientific talent ,that Russia have , you need to be incredibly stupid..  it is putin obession with gas ,and distractions with sports ,what allowed the west to so easily isolate Russia step by step from the world ,as they are literary doing. All his gas station project will go out of business ,with sanctions from the west and the only thing left Russia will have to keep alive his nation economy is China. But they are also moving away from their dependence of energy from russia.    

 This is what happens when you allow a real idiot to run one of the nation with more potential in the world , with its world class engineers and scientis.. but talent that is used only for gas station business because energy business offer higher salaries to scientist or a seriously underfunded space program , then is a largely wasted talent.

The world we live today , a nation that not lead, is a nation that will follow.. and Russia is not a leader , but a follower of the very same system they complain is unfair.. so how can any nation take putin seriously ,when even russia follows the western business world and depends on it.  

Putin's is the greatest gift to the west. Because he runs Russia and do absolutely nothing to challenge the west. If you could get to clone putin to live for a million of years , running russia , not even in that time , things will improve for Russia. because not even time can fix people ignorance and stupidity ,if they refuse to change. only when people auto evaluate and learn from their mistakes , things can get better. But this is something will never happen in Russia. A leader that don't understand what is leadership or how important is for Russia to lead in the world ,to challenge the western system and their softpower ,with better alternatives, should have never been allowed in any position of management as president or as anything.

Yawn.
Please wake me up when the "invasion" starts.

There's a considerable amount of chaos in the EU & North America; it looks like they're throwing around any statement and looking whether it'll stick. I.e. Germany finding documents that state they've promised the Russians no NATO expansion (too little too late) The issue is that they've lied for over 30 years now. That's not something you can just 'drop' at a whim and time is running out. I am even skeptical that Zelensky is still in control anymore, I think the neo-nazi's are running the show at the frontlines now.

ATLASCUB wrote: To try to somehow say protests scared Moscow into backing down and licking its wounds is one of the biggest pile of damage control garbage I've seen yet. That responsibility lies solely with Putin and cadre. No amount of bullshit can deflect that.

Keep crying and clutching those pearls. You clearly never get tired of it.

Without the Ukrainan coup Russia should be different than today, and the whole challange of the "USA order" and the China - Russia alliance would be out of question.

Befor the coup the Russians hasn't aanaged to make they s* right, all MIC/goverment sponsored project was in shamble and in a sorry state.
Just check the Floating Nuclear Plant vs, the new nuclear icebreakers.

The 2014 coup was a tactical victory for the USA, but a strategic loss.

Most likelly in few decade the historians will identify the incapability of the USA to be satisfied with the size of meal , that was a composition of big part of europe, far east and middle east, and wanted more.

SeigSoloyvov wrote:

Ukrainian membership into NATO is going to happen, there is no way to prevent that but war at this stage. The "experts" here who have never once in their life dealt with matters like this might say otherwise but that's fools being fools.

If you want to prevent NATO from entering Ukraine, it's come to force. Diplomacy has failed.

It is just the begining.

If you checke the full specturum, including the behavious of China then the current strategy of Russia coordinated with China.

Russia cut off the energy, China cut off the Chinese produced goods.

Means lack of everything, inflation, destabilization of the USA.

The expected interest increase will mans bigger burden increase than the current military outlays.

Problem is simple, the foreign production of goods cost 3-5 times less than the USA production of them, so slight decrease of import that require domestic resources cause an extreme increase in inflation and decrease in real GDP.

Vann7 wrote:

bitcointrader70 wrote:

This guy must be a paid troll. He is delusional. Words don’t mean anything. They mean nothing at all. The German guy says nato is not on the agenda mean while Ukraine president wants a clear timeline of joining NATO.

This forum like to do 20d chess mental gymnastics. For years several guys on here have been saying that that Russia doesn’t have to do anything and the Kiev regime will fall apart on its own. And yet here we are.

Arkanghelsk and Garry B are the kings of mental masturbation and spinning. These guys would make a color revolution/civil war in Russia seem like a good thing.

Welcome to the reality in this forum , is full of fanboys apologist and people detached from reality starting for their moderators , of one of the most incompetent and out of touch with reality head of state in the history of the planet ,aka. vladimir putin. And a president have to be amazingly stupid and incompetent , in order to make a super power like Russia was through history , to perform so mediocre today in the things that most matters , that is in leadership , in the ability /skill to influence nations into their orbit , instead of their adversaries.


This entire conflict of ukraine ,the core of its issues ,is no different than armenian conflict , than belarus conflict , than kazakistan conflict. Basically the west is destabilizing all russian borders they can , to take out of balance Russia , in economic and political terms with those that the Anglozionist axis have strong influence.

The question nobody ask , is , why the west is so successful in destabilizing /influencing nearly all borders of Russia away from Russia orbit?  Why the west is so dam successful always to create revolutions there to remove any pro Russian leadership from power? When is not their government the one influenced by the west , then is the people that is successfully brainwashed into the western orbit and then , they used to remove in a revolution the government not aligned with the west.

It is because the west have magical powers ,that can hack the people minds , hypnotize them , so they support the west and not Russia? What is the secret weapon the west have ,that always , always no matter which country , that country always surpass russia in influence , its people and also the governments they have too.. and if not aligned with west then removed.  don't anyone see the pattern repeating again and again?

The secret weapons the west have.. BUSINESS POWER . so called "softpower" , this is the real true power  . because if you can control people desires ,what they want ,you can control them.
And the west created a system , a world order , a banking ,technological and cultural empire that is there , and you can't avoid it and while is not perfect.. is the only thing that is an option for any nation to have unless you have to be CUBA or North Korea ,or totally disconnected from the civilized world.


Putin is the only one to blame for all this problems , Russia federation face. he have been consistently for 22 years already since he took presidency in 2000 , the softpower /business power of the west that is very dangerous for Russia interest , because the west demands any nation that if they want to trade with America or any of its colonies ,they need to follow their demands.. and naturally the rest of the world do a comparison..

what does Russia have to offer me as a nation that i can't get already with the western alliance system? from the point of view of 95% of the countries in this world.

1) gas discounts..
2) Weapons
3) Matryoshka dolls  
4) Vodca?
5)cheap wheat?  

So while im not a fan of totalitarian dictator west , the direction they moving , at the same time ,
from a technical point of view , i can understand why the arrogant west feel the need to want to
remove Russia ,from the world political map , and it is because the west genuinely feels , Russia is
an incredibly outdated nation ,  with an outdated economy ,with very outdated business and a super outdated culture . and i do feel the same way..

Russia is being destroyed slowly from the inside , by brainwashing its own society ,as they did with belarusian and ukrainian young generations. and you can observe that , by the massive exodus of russians abandoning russia..  if an exodus of russians millions that have left ,is not a warning signal
that russia is sinking , then what it is ?   if ethnic russians leave , muslims will become majority and means an even much worse future for russia ,with religious ignorance ,becoming the law in the nation.

so the west can very incredibly easy convince nations into their system, by luring their societies with their overwheming business power , of their alliance of countries.. versus putin's gas station. Most nations do it ,NOT because of love for america , because everyone knows the west is highly corrupt and evil system. But most nations agree to become their colonies and puppets..there is no other option left , a backward gas station Russia is not an option ,unless they want to be another isolated country in the world  And it was vladimir putin , and no one else ,the person that was in charge of the Russian budget , the one in charge of how the nation economy direction will be.. and it was him ,that imbecile that allowed the west to continue increasing their power by offering no competition to the western system business.  How can Putin expect to be respected in a system that was created precisely to put into submission the entire world under anglosystem rule . Russia not even tried it , during putin failure administration to offer an alternative to that system.  only china , is the only nation trying. by developing an economy that directly targets the anglo american western business influence over the world.

All this "Saving Russia economy" during the early 2000's its collapse will be totally useless if in the end Russia is still slowly destroyed by its own incompetence of their managers , for not understanding how to fight the west.  The west is now moving to consolidate its system ,by removing its weakest part , their artificial economy. This is what the great reset is all about , but before they can do that ,they need into total submission majority of its society , and make everyone totally dependent on the government , for food or anything. total control is what they now doing.. and once they do this , they will not even need to fight russia anymore , it will be left isolated like north korea and it will die when its own christian population abandon and only  muslim minorities rule.

So enjoy the show , to observe the weakest president in world history to complain every day ,how ukraine is bombing their country..  he created this mess , by allowing the west ,to grab Ukraine government with a revolution and grab their society with their galaxies away superior business.


When it comes to ukraine , the fact they removing civilians from donets and lugansk , is an indication they know the entire cities will be destroyed by ukraine ,to provoke a russian invasion. and likely they will use chemical and biological weapons to fight russia , using drones.. and what will putin do? nothing.. because he is an imbecile incompetent and always have been. He will only do the same thing he can only do . nothing , delays things , sacrifice civilians lives and future . sacrifice his military as guinea pigs and compliments to their families when they killed. when donbass destroyed , they will repeat the same and attack crimea ,using same tactics. so putin can't avoid a war ,he only can delay it , but can't avoid it .The west simply have putin's grab by the balls.. for how mediocre he managed the entire thing ,and there is very limited space for him to move..  and i will not mind he being removed from power by his own generals.. that idiot needs to go ,for along time.. already.  To fail so much in 20 years  with all the scientific talent ,that Russia have , you need to be incredibly stupid..  it is putin obession with gas ,and distractions with sports ,what allowed the west to so easily isolate Russia step by step from the world ,as they are literary doing. All his gas station project will go out of business ,with sanctions from the west and the only thing left Russia will have to keep alive his nation economy is China. But they are also moving away from their dependence of energy from russia.    

 This is what happens when you allow a real idiot to run one of the nation with more potential in the world , with its world class engineers and scientis.. but talent that is used only for gas station business because energy business offer higher salaries to scientist or a seriously underfunded space program , then is a largely wasted talent.

The world we live today , a nation that not lead, is a nation that will follow.. and Russia is not a leader , but a follower of the very same system they complain is unfair.. so how can any nation take putin seriously ,when even russia follows the western business world and depends on it.  

Putin's is the greatest gift to the west.  Because he runs Russia and do absolutely nothing to challenge the west.  If you could get to clone putin to live for a million of years , running russia , not even in that time , things will improve for Russia. because not even time can fix people ignorance and stupidity ,if they refuse to change.  only when people auto evaluate and learn from their mistakes , things can get better. But this is something will never happen in Russia. A leader that don't understand what is leadership or how important is for Russia to lead in the world ,to challenge the western system and their softpower ,with better alternatives, should have never been allowed in any position of management as president or as anything.

As is true to your mantra, you get the descriptive part correct, but never offer a feasible alternative. The "West" is dominant because it is the extension of the British Imperial system that was predominant for 200 years before its main potential competitors were either co-opted (America) or destroyed as true sovereign states (Germany). Meld that with the crucible of modern mass psychology and media formed in Hollywood and Madison Avenue and you get a pretty powerful first mover advantage. Many scientifically advanced nations are free to compete such as South Korea or Japan, but that does not make them really sovereign, nor does the world adopt their culture in any meaningful way. A pro-Western Russia might benefit economically, but its companies will never be allowed to develop to the stage of challenging the likes of Amazon, Google, or Apple. It is easier to hire those smart Russians and move them to Palo Alto, or to purchase the nascent firms and move them to Frankfurt. The technological prowess and economic advantage will not accrue to Russia and even to be accepted into the "game" means allowing Western interference in Russian domestic politics as a price of admission. China is the only true threat on the economic scale and the Chinese leadership recognizes this fact - that is why you see the crackdown on Chinese oligarchs like Jack Ma by China and the attempt to limit Huawei on "national security" grounds by the Americans. The critical difference is China has a population of 1.4 billion and an economy in real terms larger than the US.

Vann7 wrote:


Putin is the only one to blame for all this problems , Russia federation face. he have been consistently for 22 years already since he took presidency in 2000 , the softpower /business power of the west that is very dangerous for Russia interest , because the west demands any nation that if they want to trade with America or any of its colonies ,they need to follow their demands.. and naturally the rest of the world do a comparison..

It is not softpower, it is the hardpower of miltary capability to open/close sealanes.

This is compomised now with the rise of China, opening up the north sea route, deepening economic cooperation between china and russia.

The West control big part of the Earth resources, but all of this control cracking under the weight of China .

Singular_Transform wrote:
Without the Ukrainan coup Russia should be different than today, and the whole challange of the "USA order" and the China - Russia alliance would be out of question.

Befor the coup the Russians hasn't aanaged to make they s* right, all MIC/goverment sponsored project was in shamble and in a sorry state.
Just check the Floating Nuclear Plant vs, the new nuclear icebreakers.

The 2014 coup was a tactical victory for the USA, but a strategic loss.

What? Lmao.

Another one.

The clash was coming either way it's spun, rationalized or what have you. There is no space in time or trajectory where the U.S and Russia co-exist as not rivals in great power competition. You don't need aggression as defined by "war conflict" from one side to another to realize that fact, or for any leadership to realize the fact. It's inevitable. Since the collapse of the Soviet Union, on its corpse, the European Union took shape, and expanded and so did the U.S NATO architecture, all the way to the Russian borders.... way before this Ukraine debacle. There was never peace. What existed was the disintegration of the Russian empire with its rivals filling voids and taking Russia's hard earned positions (that cost millions of Russian lives by the end of 1944) without firing a single shot. Between 1991 and 2022 what you have had is a Russian state figuring out its place in the world and whether they'll cease to exist as a nation or not. In that time-frame, their rivals moved their positions as Eastward as possible for the eventuality of a Russian re-emergence ... and now you're finding out things ain't gonna be easy nor go back to the way it used to be - everything for Russia will be hard fought. There is no accommodation - only opportunistic deceit. You either endure and persevere and defeat your rivals or you lose. Simple as.

You think the EU and the Anglo-Saxon allegiance was gonna let the Eurasian Economic Union, and Union State get strong on their watch? Without their say? Or that they would happily allow integration into one big happy family? With or without Ukraine? What idiocy is this?

Not only did they go after Syria to get a pipeline from Qatar to cross Turkey to Southern Europe (among other geopolitical objectives) in order to create competition for Russia/Gazprom and eat into Russia's market-share in Europe but after that, they killed South Stream, and then went after the shut off valve in Ukraine itself.... with NS2 currently hostage to Russian capitulation in Ukraine.

So in their strategy, not only do you build an alternative to Russian gas in Europe (Qatari pipeline), you kill Russia's optional routes to compete with the Qatari line, and then by controlling the shut off valve in Ukraine (with the coup) you force Russia to capitulate. At the very least, in this strategy, you server any Russian strategic link to Europe, then push for no holds barred containment, creating an invisible Berlin Wall, all the way to Russia's borders (they even tried to grab Belarus to push that line and complete the trifecta - Belarus, Baltic stooges, Ukraine). Or so was the plan. The Qatari pipeline never came to be, as Russia, after shitting their pants and much deliberation, intervened in Syria when they realized the plan that was set in motion. With that said, the Qatari line ending in smoke didn't somehow make the plan to control the shut-off valve in Ukraine any less relevant in the chessboard. Russia clearly didn't expect after Syria that their rivals would simply brush it off and move on by going hard on Ukraine. This is real chess, not the shit you read on your favorite propaganda "analysis site" where the grift is daily garbage.

You think the Europeans and the Americans are renegotiating the JCPOA out of the goodness of their heart with Iran? Hell no. They want Iranian gas in Europe to compete for market-share with Russia's Gazprom, and provide an alternative. The long-term plan to decouple from Russian energy dependence with alternatives continues and it's not just an Anglo-Saxon project, it has buy in from Germany and France who feel threatened and want to protect the EU from competition in their own backyard (as posed by Russia).

However, both France and Germany obviously won't move against Russia to the extent like the Anglo-Saxons until they've achieved replacement capacity/alternatives for their highly dependent EU member states (including themselves as is Germany's case). It's a dirty game. Other than that these two states could give two shits about Russia, its "security guarantees demand" or anything else. Specially these two states who have benefited so much with the collapse of the Soviet Union (former Russian empire). France and Germany have the European Union to take care off, and they certainly don't welcome competition in the form of the Union State, and the Eurasian Economic Union. Once they solve the "gas problem", as difficult as it's for them to solve, Ukraine will be the least of Russia's worries.

Nobody gives a shit if Russia, when forced, found somehow the fortitude to be self reliant on certain industries. That is feel good propaganda to feel good about the fact that you were fucked over in Ukraine and pushed East. Good for you, now what?

However, both France and Germany obviously won't move against Russia like the Anglo-Saxons until they've achieved replacement capacity/alternatives for their highly dependent member states. Other than that these two states could give two shits about Russia, their security guarantees or anything else. France and Germany have the European Union to take care off, and they certainly don't welcome competition in the form of the Union State, and the Eurasian Economic Union. Once they solve the "gas problem" Ukraine will be the least of Russia's worries.

Germany said no to nuclear energy. France is making a U-turn towards "green" energies that are chinese made for most.

They won't solve that issues for 100 years if you ask me. And gas is already expensive when it comes from Russia through immobile pipelines. Now imagine the cost of US shale gas that was extracted with chemicals and transported on huge tankers consuming as much oil as they transport.

I do agree with this analysis atlas however I think they really woke the sleeping giant in 2014 with the coup in Ukraine. Before 2014 Russia was basically an oligarchy/mafia state with the Russian elite stealing as much as they can than running off to London and Miami for a nice vacation. Now Russia’s survival is at stake and it seems to me that Russia’s elite is now taking the situation seriously. I imagine US/NATO would probably prefer dealing with corrupt greedy criminals than people who finally have their head out of their ass. Russia is trying to put up a fight now. Before 2014 only one side was fighting.

As I predicted, any action by Russia will be considered by NATzO and the EU-tards as an "invasion". Make no mistake, they are retards.
Only retards threaten the primary supplier of cheap gas with a pipeline shutdown. The proper term is f*cktards.

bitcointrader70 wrote:I do agree with this analysis atlas however I think they really woke the sleeping giant in 2014 with the coup in Ukraine. Before 2014 Russia was basically an oligarchy/mafia state with the Russian elite stealing as much as they can than running off to London and Miami for a nice vacation. Now Russia’s survival is at stake and it seems to me that Russia’s elite is now taking the situation seriously. I imagine US/NATO would probably prefer dealing with corrupt greedy criminals than people who finally have their head out of their ass. Russia is trying to put up a fight now. Before 2014 only one side was fighting.

Russia's rivals obviously wish to deal with fools. That doesn't mean they didn't prepare for the eventuality that the fools (or the fools replacements) would finally wake up one day and stand up for themselves, providing resistance to their plans as has been historically the case. That's why NATO has moved so far East, along with the EU, and why they went after Ukraine and Belarus both. You act proactively a few steps ahead, not reactionary.

You don't win brownie points for standing up for yourself, it's the bare minimum.

While you're standing up for yourself, are you making an asshat of yourself with your moves and your punches or are you fighting effectively? Under Putin and cadre, it's a mixed record of failures and success. Ukraine being one of the biggest, lingering stains on that record. That Russia's propaganda organs, official and unofficial try to paint a different picture around that is of no consequence to the facts for those that understand this. It's just that, misdirection, propaganda, to cover the big fat L. Obviously the dimwits that consume that propaganda daily, whether they realize it or not are apprehensive of any view contrary to that make-believe propaganda (propaganda of which comes in different shape and sizes, suitable for each type of brain, provided the dimwit is welcoming to it).

kvs wrote:

As I predicted, any action by Russia will be considered by NATzO and the EU-tards as an "invasion".   Make no mistake, they are retards.
Only retards threaten the primary supplier of cheap gas with a pipeline shutdown.   The proper term is f*cktards.

I mean we've been saying that since day 1....where the hell have you been?.

Isos wrote:They didn't bring 2/3 of their army round ukraine for the show. They will clearly attack IMO.

They should also considere sending ATGMs to all US enemies that are fighting US everywhere in the world. Same way as US send to ukraine.

They have no other choice.

They literally did

They're even driving around with stupid 'Z' signs now, just back and forth along all the roads



Z for Zelensky of course

Who has been busy explaining in the Munich Security Conference about how the rebels are all shooting themselves and blowing up their own homes



Just look at this manic, frightened clown. Many of the Ukrainian officials speaking over the last 2 days are nervous as hell.

Especially after a metadata inspection of the evacuation video published by the DNR republic revealed that it was in a folder called 'The Dash of the Mongoose'. You can read up on how the Mongoose beats the Cobra in a fight, or for those that speak Russian here is an explanation (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6trcmjLVpqU)



Well.. the US did recommend him not to go there



I have to say. This is shaping up to get very interesting. A shame though, that people are dying..

He's being prepared for the Saddam Hussein treatment it seems

The Americans literally convinced Saddam Hussein that they have no interest in the Iraqi-Kuwaiti conflict, and that if he invades, they won't impose economic sanctions against him

Well we all know how that story turned out

Isos wrote:They didn't bring 2/3 of their army round ukraine for the show. They will clearly attack IMO.

They should also considere sending ATGMs to all US enemies that are fighting US everywhere in the world. Same way as US send to ukraine.

They have no other choice.

What US enemies? BLM protesters? US enemy is Russia and China now. After they left Iraq and Afghanistan they can focus on making life hard for russians and chinese.

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flamming_python wrote:

Isos wrote:They didn't bring 2/3 of their army round ukraine for the show. They will clearly attack IMO.

They should also considere sending ATGMs to all US enemies that are fighting US everywhere in the world. Same way as US send to ukraine.

They have no other choice.

They literally did

They're even driving around with stupid 'Z' signs now, just back and forth along all the roads

https://twitter.com/GirkinGirkin/status/1495113475600879626

https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1495144942410285065

There are more signs drawn on them, tanks in Crimea had [+] signs. Both on the roof and back. (Probably IFF) Z signs are probably formation signs. There are triangles and circles with 3 dots instead of Z's on some of them.

Who has been busy explaining in the Munich Security Conference about how the rebels are all shooting themselves and blowing up their own homes

Wow, he really looks unhinged. You could argue that he would be right if he would only mention this https://twitter.com/Liveuamap/status/1494948705044152325 but no one is shooting their own houses and their own people. Both sides are flinging artillery at each other and both sides are close to civilians due to the nature of where this is happening.

Just look at this manic, frightened clown. Many of the Ukrainian officials speaking over the last 2 days are nervous as hell.

Good.

Especially after a metadata inspection of the evacuation video published by the DNR republic revealed that it was in a folder called 'The Dash of the Mongoose'. You can read up on how the Mongoose beats the Cobra in a fight, or for those that speak Russian here is an explanation (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6trcmjLVpqU)

https://twitter.com/vicktop55/status/1495148518402572300

Good video. Thanks for sharing.

Well.. the US did recommend him not to go there

https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1494838607357558786

I have to say. This is shaping up to get very interesting. A shame though, that people are dying..

People were dying during "peace time" as well... Shelling never stopped.

Folks really think that comedian is in command? Cmon now...

Considering this is simply a big upward grift from where he was as a comedian, and he's plenty richer for it..... just let the actor act his role. When Kolomoisky speaks to the press, call me. His puppet obviously has been doing vocally what Kolo said to the American press a few years ago.... "We're unhappy. Give me more money, and maybe Ukraine will die for you cause Russia is offering us A LOT, A LOT" A big grifting business. The thing is, Kolo is trying to extortion the house, and you just don't ever mess with house money.

U.S. sanctions Ihor Kolomoisky, one of Ukraine’s most powerful tycoons

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/us-sanctions-ukrainian-tycoon-ihor-kolomoisky/2021/03/05/17bb8104-7dd3-11eb-b0fc-83144c02d676_story.html

The State Department sanctioned one of Ukraine’s most powerful tycoons, Ihor Kolomoisky, as U.S. authorities also pursue a civil case alleging he stole billions of dollars from a Ukrainian bank he once owned and laundered the funds into the United States and other places.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/13/world/europe/ukraine-ihor-kolomoisky-russia.html

“They’re stronger anyway. We have to improve our relations,” he said, comparing Russia’s power to that of Ukraine. “People want peace, a good life, they don’t want to be at war. And you” — America — “are forcing us to be at war, and not even giving us the money for it.”

“You all won’t take us” in the alliance, Mr. Kolomoisky said in the interview, in a conference room at his offices in Kiev. “There’s no use in wasting time on empty talk. Whereas Russia would love to bring us into a new Warsaw Pact.”

War against Russia,” he said, “to the last Ukrainian.” Rebuilding ties with Russia has become necessary for Ukraine’s economic survival, Mr. Kolomoisky argued. He predicted that the trauma of war will pass.

“Give it five, 10 years, and the blood will be forgotten,” Mr. Kolomoisky said. “I showed in 2014 that I don’t want to be with Russia,” he added. “I’m describing, objectively, what I’m seeing and where things are heading.”

“We’ll take $100 billion from the Russians. I think they’d love to give it to us today,   ” Mr. Kolomoisky said. “What’s the fastest way to resolve issues and restore the relationship? Only money.”

Sounds familiar to what you're hearing now... well it's. The Americans obviously have other assets in line should the need arise. They're expendable, and a nuisance. There is a reason why the money being handed out by the EU/U.S is peanuts.