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    Post  TMA1 Sun Feb 13, 2022 5:38 am

    bitcointrader70 wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    Krepost wrote:Not only did they detect and track the Virginia, they also identified it as a Virginia.

    Sorry Americans, the Russians did not know that the Virginias are so quiet that they are impossible to detect.
    Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Twisted Evil

    This is like the 2nd time in 6 years, and the other time happened in the Arctic. BTW that reminds me of something! Wink  
    The Situation in the Ukraine. #32 - Page 7 Serbian_poster_%22Sorry_we_didn%27t_know_it_was_invisible%22

    Bombed into submission. They shot down a stealth bomber through pure luck because it had not jamming support that night and flew the same route over and over. Country destroyed. Their IADs was completely destroyed/suppressed incapable of hampering NATO air operation.

    “We didn’t know it was invisible”  while their country lays in ruins from the bombs and cruise missiles. Lmao.

    This mindset is pitiful.

    Dont be a fool. Of course a coalition of western nations lead by America in its might in the turn of the century would ravage any small nation. That is a given. But a david and goliath event with very clever radar techs and SAM operators using old Soviet tech were able to take down one of the fabled stealth aircraft. It was a moment when they punched back against an enemy with overwhelming might.

    A fairly sizable amount of pilots that fought in that conflict now look back and think that the whole affair was wrong.

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    Post  Atmosphere Sun Feb 13, 2022 5:51 am

    bitcointrader70 wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    Krepost wrote:Not only did they detect and track the Virginia, they also identified it as a Virginia.

    Sorry Americans, the Russians did not know that the Virginias are so quiet that they are impossible to detect.
    Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Twisted Evil

    This is like the 2nd time in 6 years, and the other time happened in the Arctic. BTW that reminds me of something! Wink  
    The Situation in the Ukraine. #32 - Page 7 Serbian_poster_%22Sorry_we_didn%27t_know_it_was_invisible%22

    Bombed into submission. They shot down a stealth bomber through pure luck because it had not jamming support that night and flew the same route over and over. Country destroyed. Their IADs was completely destroyed/suppressed incapable of hampering NATO air operation.

    “We didn’t know it was invisible”  while their country lays in ruins from the bombs and cruise missiles. Lmao.

    This mindset is pitiful.

    "They shot down a stealth bomber through pure luck because it had not jamming support that night and flew the same route over and over. "

    This has nothing to do with the fact that an old radar could get a solid lock on a VLO aircraft. The AA battery had no jamming support either.

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    Post  dino00 Sun Feb 13, 2022 5:51 am

    Biden will announce the return to the Nuclear deal with Iran, and because of the US and allies Russia will not attack Ukraine next week, improving is ratings and winning the Nobel prize.

    You heard here first.

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    Post  JohninMK Sun Feb 13, 2022 6:10 am

    dino00 wrote:Biden will announce the return to the Nuclear deal with Iran, and  because of the US and allies  Russia will not attack Ukraine next week, improving is ratings and winning the Nobel prize.

    You heard here first.

    Thanks for the smile.
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    Post  TMA1 Sun Feb 13, 2022 6:13 am

    I believe it. The constant nonexistent invasion has become such a meme that it reeks of destruction and social manipulation. Problem is this situation is very dangerous and made russia rightfully stand guard across the country in case the invasion would happen. It is still dangerous now, but more and more it stinks of political games. I dont think it will work though for many people. I think many are getting more furious at our corrupt and at times inept leaders. Look at the diplomacy of the UK and how they treated the Russian diplomats and the diplomatic process. And over in canada look at the shameful cowardice and capriciousness of Trudeau. Then look at my president here in America. He is literally in the mid stages of senility. I know, as my dad slowly died from it.

    The world has gone crazy guys. Ten or twenty years ago I dont think I ever could have imagined something like this
    Shocked

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    Post  Isos Sun Feb 13, 2022 6:28 am

    dino00 wrote:Biden will announce the return to the Nuclear deal with Iran, and  because of the US and allies  Russia will not attack Ukraine next week, improving is ratings and winning the Nobel prize.

    You heard here first.

    He will be killed like Kennedy if he does that...

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    Post  Isos Sun Feb 13, 2022 6:29 am

    bitcointrader70 wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    Krepost wrote:Not only did they detect and track the Virginia, they also identified it as a Virginia.

    Sorry Americans, the Russians did not know that the Virginias are so quiet that they are impossible to detect.
    Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Twisted Evil

    This is like the 2nd time in 6 years, and the other time happened in the Arctic. BTW that reminds me of something! Wink  
    [img]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c0/Serbian_poster_%22Sorry_we_didn%27t_know_it_was_invisible%22.jpgg]

    Bombed into submission. They shot down a stealth bomber through pure luck because it had not jamming support that night and flew the same route over and over. Country destroyed. Their IADs was completely destroyed/suppressed incapable of hampering NATO air operation.

    “We didn’t know it was invisible”  while their country lays in ruins from the bombs and cruise missiles. Lmao.

    This mindset is pitiful.

    The troll was triggered hahaha lol1 .

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    Post  George1 Sun Feb 13, 2022 6:46 am

    Western military supplies to Ukraine

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4483241.html
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    Post  bitcointrader70 Sun Feb 13, 2022 6:55 am

    Atmosphere wrote:
    bitcointrader70 wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    Krepost wrote:Not only did they detect and track the Virginia, they also identified it as a Virginia.

    Sorry Americans, the Russians did not know that the Virginias are so quiet that they are impossible to detect.
    Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Twisted Evil

    This is like the 2nd time in 6 years, and the other time happened in the Arctic. BTW that reminds me of something! Wink  
    The Situation in the Ukraine. #32 - Page 7 Serbian_poster_%22Sorry_we_didn%27t_know_it_was_invisible%22

    Bombed into submission. They shot down a stealth bomber through pure luck because it had not jamming support that night and flew the same route over and over. Country destroyed. Their IADs was completely destroyed/suppressed incapable of hampering NATO air operation.

    “We didn’t know it was invisible”  while their country lays in ruins from the bombs and cruise missiles. Lmao.

    This mindset is pitiful.

    "They shot down a stealth bomber through pure luck because it had not jamming support that night and flew the same route over and over. "

    This has nothing to do with the fact that an old radar could get a solid lock on a VLO aircraft. The AA battery had no jamming support either.

    You are acting like this is some kind of act of god or something. Stealth just greatly reduces detection range He shot it down from around 10 miles. That’s not impressive. That’s terrible. It shows that stealth really works. If NATO didn’t slack off and had jamming support and proper route planning they would have lost zero planes and that old Soviet AA is essentially useless.

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    Post  Isos Sun Feb 13, 2022 7:01 am

    10 miles for a s-125 is like close to max range...

    US fired hundreds of ARM missiles and had jamming aircrafts. That was their main task. Bonbing ground targets was much less important.

    And that story about same path used over and over is funny because they were aware that serbs moved their AD systems all day long to not be destroyed so it's hard to beleive that US planes were flying the same path all day long.

    Also there were hundreds of NATO jets against a handful of working systems in serbia. Touching 3 f-117 and some f-16 + drones is a big achievement. And lot of serbian systems survived the war.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Sun Feb 13, 2022 8:23 am

    What noone talks about is how Russia simultaneously engages CENTCOM, PACOM, EUCOM, AFRICOM, NORTHCOM AND SOUTHCOM
    At the same dang time

    EUCOM and PACOM have their hands full with pacific and black sea fleets as well as 200,000 polite people

    AFRICOM is feeling the heat from wagner, the Sahel has been contested and dominated by Russia

    Let us recall CENTCOM is the least favorite after debacles in afghanistan and Kazakhstan

    Joint chiefs of staff having bad week, now a virginia just got popped


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    Post  Arkanghelsk Sun Feb 13, 2022 9:04 am

    https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2022/02/russias-improved-kilo-class-submarine-entering-black-sea/

    Rostov-na-Donu will transit Bosphorus tomorrow morning and enter the Black Sea. Following the deployment of Rostov-na-Donu, the Russian Black Sea Fleet will have four improved Kilo-class submarines equipped with Kalibr land-attack missiles in the Black Sea. According to the OSINT reports, the Black Sea Fleet’s other two Project 636.3 submarines (B-262 Stary Oskol, B-265 Krasnodar) are currently in Russia’s Tartous Naval Base in Syria.

    What was dropped off by those landing ships? Those flies on the wall are very lucky
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    Post  Krepost Sun Feb 13, 2022 9:17 am

    Arkanghelsk wrote:https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2022/02/russias-improved-kilo-class-submarine-entering-black-sea/

    Rostov-na-Donu will transit Bosphorus tomorrow morning and enter the Black Sea. Following the deployment of Rostov-na-Donu, the Russian Black Sea Fleet will have four improved Kilo-class submarines equipped with Kalibr land-attack missiles in the Black Sea. According to the OSINT reports, the Black Sea Fleet’s other two Project 636.3 submarines (B-262 Stary Oskol, B-265 Krasnodar) are currently in Russia’s Tartous Naval Base in Syria.

    What was dropped off by those landing ships? Those flies on the wall are very lucky

    Rostv-na-Donu (Rostov-on-Don) going through the Bosphorus.
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    Post  auslander Sun Feb 13, 2022 10:52 am

    VCO and I were discussing the current mess and she told me a little conversation she and our good friend Starshi Matross had while I was in Hospital last fall.
    One of the heavy units of Black Sea Flot was to go through the ditch between Black Sea and the Med, heading for Syria for the first deployment. Turks denied the ship passage. Kapitan First Rank in Command called the ship to Action Quarters, the caps were popped off the main gun tubes, two missile tube doors opened, battle flags were raised (ships are not supposed to fly the national flag when transiting the ditch nor are weapons systems to be manned) and target acquisition systems activated.
    Turks were given a two word radio transmission: "Stop us."
    Ship transited the entire length of the ditch with battle flags flying and crew at action quarters. Turks never tried that trick again.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Sun Feb 13, 2022 11:00 am

    Yeah after the talks with UK and Biden getting his ass dragged on the phone with Putin

    It's obvious the west has blinked and choked massively

    Putin has smelled the fear, the west opted for a bullying effect was made by a bunch of poli sci grads and think tank bums who do not understand operational art or war

    UK has pulled out all troops from Ukraine and US too

    Special forces are leaving, the west has choked badly

    With oil at 95 per barrel the Russians will stay in the AOR past summer time, they can sustain the deployment without consequence, the more the US pressures the EU, the bigger the Russian budget gets , conversely US power is declining day by day, they cannot sustain deployment and are able to move only token forces for triage, refugee control, and they decided to turn Ukraine into an ammo dump

    This is a game of wit, and Putin has shown remarkable success, the west has just backed off massively , they only threaten more sanctions

    But their false flag op has backfired, they are running away

    Meanwhile Putin ups the ante, bulk of the 1st GTA has gone into Belarus,

    Russia will respond not only in Ukraine, but in the baltics and poland as we see the buildup in kaliningrad and Belarus, he is throwing the gauntlet down to NATO which is essentially the US.

    Russia has called the bluff, it will go after NATO and conventionally win the fight, the west can only go nuclear and it's too expensive for them to fight this long term

    They had hoped the bullying effect to win over the russians fast, but the tactic has failed and Russia doubled down even further, ergo it has turned into a long game and they are realizing they cannot fight it

    The stakes could not be higher, and the west is now considering moving to 1997 positions, removal of weapons, and abandonment of Ukrainian NATO membership

    In the end this option was always what the west would do, they will lose their civilization if this goes where they bluff, and it's cheaper for them to sign the capitulation

    They have lost their allies, and the fight for Europe

    Meanwhile Putin is not giving them the war they need, but he is threatening an even larger front extending to Baltics and Poland if the false flag goes down

    Biden wanted guarantees command centers would not be hit, and I dont think he liked the response

    The senile fool is about to lose the election , and with it the entire game plan

    They have f*cked up royally this operation and have to withdraw, all Russia needs to do is sustain this through the summer and they will crack NATO

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    Post  LMFS Sun Feb 13, 2022 1:47 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:What noone talks about is how Russia simultaneously engages CENTCOM, PACOM, EUCOM, AFRICOM, NORTHCOM AND SOUTHCOM
    At the same dang time

    EUCOM and PACOM have their hands full with pacific and black sea fleets as well as 200,000 polite people

    AFRICOM is feeling the heat from wagner, the Sahel has been contested and dominated by Russia

    Let us recall CENTCOM is the least favorite after debacles in afghanistan and Kazakhstan

    Joint chiefs of staff having bad week, now a virginia just got popped

    If you are liking it, just wait for the Nakhimov & Tsirkon combo to be thrown into the mix still this year Laughing

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    Post  LMFS Sun Feb 13, 2022 2:13 pm

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    Post  GarryB Sun Feb 13, 2022 3:46 pm

    Good false flag material if you ask me... explode a tactical nuke at some Ukrainian city close to the border and there will be no European leader with the balls to resist

    Western propaganda at its finest... if Russia didn't have nukes it would be artillery shells filled with Novachok because like the Syrian government the Russians are evil and have no respect for life and just want to murder people in large numbers using weapons internationally banned... except the only country to have actually used nuclear weapons against civilians was the US in Japan and also in the Marshall Islands...

    There is no need to waste any sort of nuclear weapon on the Ukraine.

    EU countries were part of genocides. Don't hink they will stop all their relations with their number 1 gas provider that has huge stocks left for the sake of Ukrainians.

    But what if their boss tells them to...

    The only dynamic that matters is the rabiate dedication much of the 'Western partners' have to the destruction of Russia. A dynamic that has withstood the test of time and should be the main prisms through which this whole charade is viewed

    Russia understands that and will be looking to the rest of the world for trade and cooperation.... if the west makes the Ukraine follow the Minsk agreement then that is all Russia needs... even if a new regime takes power in Kiev though the ballot box and drops all its bullshit regarding speaking the Russian language and apologies and those criminals guilty of war crimes brought to justice and these separatist regions return back to the fold Russia will be happy... they are not looking for more land.

    They just want stable neighbours.


    If Putin lets this slide and pulls his turd back in there'll be advanced NATO missile systems on Ukrainian territory within 12 months.

    If that were the case and nothing written on paper could stop it if that is what they want to do, then Putin will push their buttons... improved ties with Mexico for instance... nuclear weapons for Iran... the justification for Israel to have nuclear weapons was in case its neighbours get nukes... so that means it would be OK if Iran gets nukes... right?

    If the OSCE mission is "depleted" of observers there will be no one to monitor the front line in Donbas, clearing the path for provocations on a large scale that may turn into large scale war. No records, no evidence that is all that "somebody" needs for blame. Depletion started.

    Oh please... the OSCE are so biased that they would carry ammo for the first Kiev troops to attack and still blame it all on a Russian invasion.

    They shot down a stealth bomber through pure luck because it had not jamming support that night

    You can't shoot down something you can't see with blind luck it would be impossible.

    Their IADs was completely destroyed/suppressed incapable of hampering NATO air operation.

    But that is the point their IADS was fully intact at the end of the conflict... one HATO official actually commented that from day one to the last day their aircraft were always in danger and so SEAD missions were all failures... at no stage were HATO aircraft safe in that airspace.

    This has nothing to do with the fact that an old radar could get a solid lock on a VLO aircraft. The AA battery had no jamming support either.

    You can't shoot down something you can't get a lock on and can't detect... luck had nothing to do with it... that is why is should be celebrated... it was skill and professionalism.

    Stealth just greatly reduces detection range He shot it down from around 10 miles. That’s not impressive. That’s terrible. It shows that stealth really works. If NATO didn’t slack off and had jamming support and proper route planning they would have lost zero planes and that old Soviet AA is essentially useless.

    Stealth aircraft are supposed to be invisible.... that is not Serb talk, that is US Speak about their own stuff, so if ancient obsolete SAMs and radars can bring down super US stealth fighters... well the world is burning...

    Biden will announce the return to the Nuclear deal with Iran, and  because of the US and allies  Russia will not attack Ukraine next week, improving is ratings and winning the Nobel prize.

    Well with Oblama getting a prize for doing nothing I guess Spongebrain Poopypants could win one too... but they would lose even more credibility... if that is possible.

    They had hoped the bullying effect to win over the russians fast, but the tactic has failed and Russia doubled down even further, ergo it has turned into a long game and they are realizing they cannot fight it

    Sanctions will work, they just need one more round and Russia will fold... NOT.

    Biden wanted guarantees command centers would not be hit, and I dont think he liked the response

    I suspect the Russians are tracking communications and the part he did not like of the response was probably that command centres above those in Kiev would be hit if anything started...

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    Post  Singular_Transform Sun Feb 13, 2022 4:11 pm

    bitcointrader70 wrote:

    Bombed into submission. They shot down a stealth bomber through pure luck because it had not jamming support that night and flew the same route over and over. Country destroyed. Their IADs was completely destroyed/suppressed incapable of hampering NATO air operation.

    “We didn’t know it was invisible”  while their country lays in ruins from the bombs and cruise missiles. Lmao.

    This mindset is pitiful.

    I'm very amazed about this kind of view. : )

    Just run a theoretical experiment, say Minesota in the USA leave the union, with the miliatary weapons and air defence that happens is on they territory, and the USA decide to start an air war against they , with the help of all European country.

    What could be your expectations from the IADS of Minesota ?


    OR other similar situation, you talking about the event like is a 20 member bike gang talk about the solitary guy who was beaten yesterday in an empty motorway parking lot, and all that he managed is to break the arm of one gang member and survive the beating.

    In both example the ratios and the difference in size the same like between USA + NATO vs Serbia.


    PAthetic, isn't it ?

    I am sure you would be proud for yourself if you beat a 4 years old girl to unconscious. That should be the best show of your fight skills.

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    Post  TMA1 Sun Feb 13, 2022 4:33 pm

    C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER!!!



    Edit:you are old if you remember that game. Very good.
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    Post  nomadski Sun Feb 13, 2022 5:23 pm

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PXBVGs6Hdb0


    The British operation over in Ukraine ?  Chicken Kiev thief !  Identify and deal with them individually . A police operation .


    LOL .


    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zKX9OjNy_NI


    LOL .

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    Post  Hole Sun Feb 13, 2022 7:41 pm

    bitcointrader70 wrote:
    Atmosphere wrote:
    bitcointrader70 wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    Krepost wrote:Not only did they detect and track the Virginia, they also identified it as a Virginia.

    Sorry Americans, the Russians did not know that the Virginias are so quiet that they are impossible to detect.
    Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Twisted Evil

    This is like the 2nd time in 6 years, and the other time happened in the Arctic. BTW that reminds me of something! Wink  
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    Bombed into submission. They shot down a stealth bomber through pure luck because it had not jamming support that night and flew the same route over and over. Country destroyed. Their IADs was completely destroyed/suppressed incapable of hampering NATO air operation.

    “We didn’t know it was invisible”  while their country lays in ruins from the bombs and cruise missiles. Lmao.

    This mindset is pitiful.

    "They shot down a stealth bomber through pure luck because it had not jamming support that night and flew the same route over and over. "

    This has nothing to do with the fact that an old radar could get a solid lock on a VLO aircraft. The AA battery had no jamming support either.

    You are acting like this is some kind of act of god or something. Stealth just greatly reduces detection range  He shot it down from around 10 miles. That’s not impressive. That’s terrible. It shows that stealth really works. If NATO didn’t slack off and had jamming support and proper route planning they would have lost zero planes and that old Soviet AA is essentially useless.

    The main selling point for "stealth" aircraft was and is that they don´t need jamming support or fighter jets to cover them.

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Sun Feb 13, 2022 8:13 pm

    I love how people bring up that nighthawk kill when the reality is the pilot was stupid, took the same route every day, left their bomb bay doors open which they weren't supposed to do. Made many more mistakes

    That allowed the serbs to finally narrow down the bandwidth to get a lock after so many many many days of trying.

    Then you have fanboys trying to act like that is some amazing feat.

    They shot down one nighthawk due to a pilot's incompetence but their entire country got leveled and lost Kosovo, congrats that's a win for you guys alright.

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    Post  Sujoy Sun Feb 13, 2022 8:19 pm

    The kind of stuff being written about Putin, you simply won't find written about Xi.
    Xi's tyranny is oh so normalized because those Western guys will suddenly find that their outlet has business exposure to China.

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