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    Post  Backman Sun Feb 13, 2022 2:38 pm

    bitcointrader70 wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    Krepost wrote:Not only did they detect and track the Virginia, they also identified it as a Virginia.


    Bombed into submission. They shot down a stealth bomber through pure luck because it had not jamming support that night and flew the same route over and over. Country destroyed. Their IADs was completely destroyed/suppressed incapable of hampering NATO air operation.

    “We didn’t know it was invisible”  while their country lays in ruins from the bombs and cruise missiles. Lmao.

    This mindset is pitiful.

    Pure damage control and cope. It was at the height of the uni polar moment. It was the first and only stealth jet of the age. 2 of them were hit. Not just one. Lucky strike my ass. https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/37894/yes-serbian-air-defenses-did-hit-another-f-117-during-operation-allied-force-in-1999

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    Post  flamming_python Sun Feb 13, 2022 3:13 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:I love how people bring up that nighthawk kill when the reality is the pilot was stupid, took the same route every day, left their bomb bay doors open which they weren't supposed to do. Made many more mistakes

    That allowed the serbs to finally narrow down the bandwidth to get a lock after so many many many days of trying.

    Then you have fanboys trying to act like that is some amazing feat.

    They shot down one nighthawk due to a pilot's incompetence but their entire country got leveled and lost Kosovo, congrats that's a win for you guys alright.


    The greatest military alliance on Earth literally bombed the hell out of some small European country for 2 months. That wasn't even threatening any NATO member. Congrats that's a win for you guys alright

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    Post  lyle6 Sun Feb 13, 2022 3:29 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:I love how people bring up that nighthawk kill when the reality is the pilot was stupid, took the same route every day, left their bomb bay doors open which they weren't supposed to do. Made many more mistakes

    That allowed the serbs to finally narrow down the bandwidth to get a lock after so many many many days of trying.

    Then you have fanboys trying to act like that is some amazing feat.

    They shot down one nighthawk due to a pilot's incompetence but their entire country got leveled and lost Kosovo, congrats that's a win for you guys alright.

    You and your butt buddies were ganging up on some paraplegic and yet the paraplegic manages to bloody your nose.

    God damn you're never going to live that down.

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Sun Feb 13, 2022 4:24 pm

    Live it down? naw. The pilot was stupid and I made that clear, the only reason he got shot down is that he wasn't following protocols and made tons of dumb decisions.

    Its people here who make it out to be something it ain't and try to pretend its some grand feat when if you understand the circumstances its not.

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Sun Feb 13, 2022 4:26 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    SeigSoloyvov wrote:I love how people bring up that nighthawk kill when the reality is the pilot was stupid, took the same route every day, left their bomb bay doors open which they weren't supposed to do. Made many more mistakes

    That allowed the serbs to finally narrow down the bandwidth to get a lock after so many many many days of trying.

    Then you have fanboys trying to act like that is some amazing feat.

    They shot down one nighthawk due to a pilot's incompetence but their entire country got leveled and lost Kosovo, congrats that's a win for you guys alright.


    The greatest military alliance on Earth literally bombed the hell out of some small European country for 2 months. That wasn't even threatening any NATO member. Congrats that's a win for you guys alright

    Yes, it's a win, we completed our objective. That is the literal definition of a win. Nowhere in war does it say you need to play fair or hold your punches. War isn't about being nice it's about crushing your foe until they surrender or nothing is left.

    But that isn't the topic either. The point is trying to act like that nighthawk shot down was some grand win, is just silly. If they detected it without the pilot making those mistakes and shot down, then suuuure that's something to brag about it.

    But bragging you took out a moron is just sad and no I am not bragging we took out Serbia. Not a fight they could ever hope to win, so I don't blame them for losing.

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    Post  calripson Sun Feb 13, 2022 4:56 pm

    Krepost wrote:Not only did they detect and track the Virginia, they also identified it as a Virginia.

    Sorry Americans, the Russians did not know that the Virginias are so quiet that they are impossible to detect.
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    It probably was in pretty shallow waters near the Kuril Islands. The US like Japan doesn't recognize those waters as Russian, so it is very likely the sub was in fact there and detected. If nothing else, the Russian navy should have retrieved the decoy.
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    Post  miketheterrible Sun Feb 13, 2022 5:10 pm

    calripson wrote:
    Krepost wrote:Not only did they detect and track the Virginia, they also identified it as a Virginia.

    Sorry Americans, the Russians did not know that the Virginias are so quiet that they are impossible to detect.
    Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Twisted Evil

    It probably was in pretty shallow waters near the Kuril Islands. The US like Japan doesn't recognize those waters as Russian, so it is very likely the sub was in fact there and detected. If nothing else, the Russian navy should have retrieved the decoy.

    That isn't exactly how it works. You wouldn't want to be able to give up your signature from sonar so easily. If the submarines are submerged, they are intentionally trying to hide and if they are just giving the Russians easy method of detecting them, it just gives away any signatures that otherwise may have been unknown to the Russian navy.
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    Post  Arrow Sun Feb 13, 2022 5:30 pm

    In shallow waters, it is even more difficult to detect a submarine, but there are more sensors and the possibility of detecting them. The noises of sounds propagate badly in a shallow body of water. They propagate much further in the ocean. The submarine can be detected from a greater distance
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    Post  kvs Sun Feb 13, 2022 5:46 pm

    Turdeau was involved in the operation to prevent the arrest of war criminal Poroshenko.

    What a surprise.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Sun Feb 13, 2022 6:10 pm

    The western unity went down the toilet, no swift sanctions, no pre emotive sanctions

    Biden has effectively capitulated, the short fast game failed, and the shock value of the western threats have fizzled out in gastric fashion

    Putin will keep forces where they are, and the removal of NATO and the ultimatum are delivered and upheld without so much as a tap on the wrist

    The false flag is never coming, in case you missed it, the west has blinked


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    Delisting Russia from the SWIFT international payment system is not being considered by the US and EU for their sanctions package tied to an allegedly looming ‘invasion’ of Ukraine, Ukrainian Foreign Minister Dmitry Kuleba has revealed.

    Abandoning plans to delist Russia from SWIFT was made under the pressure of certain EU member countries, the foreign minister revealed as he spoke with local 1+1 TV late Saturday. He did not specify which countries opposed the potential measure.

    “This is the result of internal processes in the European Union, as some countries, let’s say, were not ready to give up their own interests in connection with the potential delisting [of Russia] from SWIFT,” Kuleba stated

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    Post  RTN Sun Feb 13, 2022 7:13 pm

    Putin is only using Nato expansion as an excuse, he just doesn't want to have democracies on the Russian border. The Russian people will see there is an alternative to his dictatorship!

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    Post  flamming_python Sun Feb 13, 2022 7:29 pm

    RTN wrote:Putin is only using Nato expansion as an excuse, he just doesn't want to have democracies on the Russian border. The Russian people will see there is an alternative to his dictatorship!

    Armenia and Kyrgyzstan are both Russian allies and bourgeois democracies
    Mongolia a Russian ally in all but name. Also a democracy
    Pridnestrovie has quite competitive presidential elections.
    In South Ossetia everyone just gathers in a stadium and elects their next president, the whole population is only some 50-60k

    None of these places are seen as 'alternatives' for Russians. Neither the Ukraine. Nor the rest of the neo-liberal right-wing ethnocracies in Eastern Europe

    Kazakhstan is busy right now initiating some political liberalization and reforms. If Kazakhstan succeeds, then it could provide a blueprint for what the Kremlin wants to switch to in Russia come 2024, when Putin steps down.

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    Post  calripson Sun Feb 13, 2022 7:45 pm

    RTN wrote:Putin is only using Nato expansion as an excuse, he just doesn't want to have democracies on the Russian border. The Russian people will see there is an alternative to his dictatorship!

    There is an alternative for Russia. The glorious democratic days of the 1990s! Endless freedom for all! Freedom from receiving your wages, freedom from autonomy, freedom from fertility, and freedom from longevity! Free media - well not free, you have to be a billionaire like Berezovsky or Gusinsky to actually own it. Great for property values in central Moscow - and in London and Tel Aviv too! Not so good for the other 95% of the country, but you have to break some eggs to make an omelet. At least Russia has example to model themselves on - the U.K. for example. Ok, they have a monarch who is immune from all U.K. law and who has the right of royal prerogative, not very 'democratic", but those are just details. What about the grand old USA! Not actually a 'democracy" by design - actually established as a republic. Thomas Jefferson lamented that “a democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where 51 percent of the people may take away the rights of the other 49. Adams concluded that democracy “never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide.” Hmm, never mind those guys. I'm pretty sure they are all dead white males. In post-modern America democracy rules supreme. Sure, you have a duopoly of political power pretending to provide voters a choice with both parties financed by the same people. A concentration of media in a few oligarchs' hands, and a very un-democratic national security apparatus that controls said media and spies on politicians and voters alike. On the plus side you do have multiple streaming video services and like 45 varieties of fast food from which to choose.

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    Post  dino00 Sun Feb 13, 2022 7:59 pm

    dino00 wrote:Biden will announce the return to the Nuclear deal with Iran, and  because of the US and allies  Russia will not attack Ukraine next week, improving is ratings and winning the Nobel prize.

    You heard here first.

    The Americans say the invasion will happen on 16th February.
    Biden will call again Putin, they will leak to the press that Russia is standing down, 20 February Russia will complete the exercises and start moving troops back.
    The same sources who said Russia was creating tension, will say the opposite, Biden will announce the Nuclear deal, the press will start writing about the Nobel prize.

    Possible headline: "After Ukraine and the Iran deal should Biden win the Nobel Peace prize?"



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    Post  Arrow Sun Feb 13, 2022 8:07 pm

    They will write in the Western media that Putin had to withdraw and the West stopped the war Very Happy
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    Post  Atmosphere Sun Feb 13, 2022 8:15 pm

    bitcointrader70 wrote:
    Atmosphere wrote:
    bitcointrader70 wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    Krepost wrote:Not only did they detect and track the Virginia, they also identified it as a Virginia.

    Sorry Americans, the Russians did not know that the Virginias are so quiet that they are impossible to detect.
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    This is like the 2nd time in 6 years, and the other time happened in the Arctic. BTW that reminds me of something! Wink  
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    Bombed into submission. They shot down a stealth bomber through pure luck because it had not jamming support that night and flew the same route over and over. Country destroyed. Their IADs was completely destroyed/suppressed incapable of hampering NATO air operation.

    “We didn’t know it was invisible”  while their country lays in ruins from the bombs and cruise missiles. Lmao.

    This mindset is pitiful.

    "They shot down a stealth bomber through pure luck because it had not jamming support that night and flew the same route over and over. "

    This has nothing to do with the fact that an old radar could get a solid lock on a VLO aircraft. The AA battery had no jamming support either.

    You are acting like this is some kind of act of god or something. Stealth just greatly reduces detection range  He shot it down from around 10 miles. That’s not impressive. That’s terrible. It shows that stealth really works. If NATO didn’t slack off and had jamming support and proper route planning they would have lost zero planes and that old Soviet AA is essentially useless.

    This is the stupidest reply that could ever be pulled in this situation.
    The entire point is that stealth is not worth the hype youare giving it due to the simple fact that if it was pound for pound, as in, the latest advancement in stealth vs the latest advancement in IADS, it would've ended up horribly for the stealth airplane.

    The only face saving thing is the fact that the AA battery happened to be old and outdated, yet it disproved the myth that this type of radar *could never* get a solid lock as certain people claim.

    The "jamming support" argument is bogus. Modern IADS also have their own jamming and ESM Support so your "argument" goes both ways. Even aerosol generators to mask them from recon.
    The ''repetitive route" argument is bogus. Modern IADS is mobile and also has unpredictible and ever changing element scattering patterns. Your "argument" goes both ways.
    You are literally making fireworks of something similar to a Kornet taking down an M60 tank. Using the "oNLy oNe sHoT doWN DuE tO pOOr pLanNinG" argument does nothing to remedy the fact that the entire battery was far from a decent representative of what an actual Modern IADS is. The win is not through principle that stealth work, but rather that through the fact that being horribly outdated greatly increases your chances to lose. That's it.

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    Post  PhSt Sun Feb 13, 2022 8:23 pm

    RTN wrote:Putin is only using Nato expansion as an excuse, he just doesn't want to have democracies on the Russian border. The Russian people will see there is an alternative to his dictatorship!

    Yeah right, the alternative where NATzO can install a puppet leadership in Russia while simultaneously breaking up the country into tiny statelets that would be subservient to NATzO lol

    If only the Soviet Union opted for nuclear war instead of a peaceful dissolution, then at least the cold war would have been a draw. Because of the Soviet Union's benevolence, they have ceased to exist, but the Evil Empire that is NATzO continues its reign of terror across the world. Russia should not make this mistake again, if ever Russia's destruction becomes inevitable, they need to take all NATzO countries with them to oblivion and make sure that the entire North America and Europe are turned into an unlivable radioactive wasteland. attack

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    Post  Hole Sun Feb 13, 2022 8:27 pm

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    Breaking news! New invasion map (courtesy D. Orlov)

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    Post  Krepost Sun Feb 13, 2022 8:51 pm

    Ukraine a democracy...Pffffft!
    The mildly pro-Russian opposition party head Viktor Medvedchuk is under house arrest.
    The pro-Western opposition and ex-president Petro Poroshenko is fighting charges against him.
    Opposition media channels are being shut down.
    The list goes on.

    But of course according to Western narrative, Ukraine is a beacon of democracy...

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    Post  LMFS Sun Feb 13, 2022 9:13 pm

    RTN wrote:Putin is only using Nato expansion as an excuse, he just doesn't want to have democracies on the Russian border.

    Good point. Certainly he does not want governments whoring for the West and destroying their countries just to spite Russia, if that is what you meant by "democracies" thumbsup

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    Post  kvs Sun Feb 13, 2022 9:16 pm



    False flag incoming. Western insurance companies have shut down all civilian air traffic in and out of Ukraine.
    Ukrainian carriers have to land in adjacent countries to unload their Ukrainian passengers (e.g. Moldova) leaving
    them to arrange for transport back to Ukraine.

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    Post  JohninMK Sun Feb 13, 2022 9:30 pm

    Victor@vicktop55·2h

    American-made Stinger portable anti-aircraft missile systems, which arrived in Kiev today from Lithuania.

    Head of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine Oleksiy Reznikov confirmed the receipt of MANPADS.


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    A new OSCE group arrived in Donetsk.

    OSCE member says the OSCE as a whole are not leaving Donetsk. Rotation


    Nolan Peterson@nolanwpeterson 2h

    A Ukrainian soldier on the Donbas front lines near Luhansk, with whom I’m in touch, reports that his unit's leaves have been cancelled & soldiers on leave have been recalled. His unit is under strict orders to obey the ceasefire and not shoot back “under any circumstances.”

    Overall, and based on other reports I'm receiving from Ukrainian troops, the Ukrainian armed forces are quietly preparing their defenses while also being incredibly cautious about not giving Russia a false flag pretense for escalation.

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    Post  kvs Sun Feb 13, 2022 9:46 pm

    What drivel. The Khuyiv regime is clearly about to stage a provocation. Calling the regime forces at the LOS "defensive" is the
    height of bloody hypocrisy. Their sole purpose is to attack the LDNR. The pretext is utterly irrelevant.

    BTW, the OSCE is clearing out and the above claims are BS.

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    Post  JohninMK Sun Feb 13, 2022 10:19 pm

    Ah, about those 12 year life Stingers Laughing Laughing More dumping of old stock.

    Mike Mihajlovic@MihajlovicMike·1h

    "Fresh" delivery of Stinger missile, Block II to Ukraine: a sticker can say a lot. Btw, Stingers are supposed to have a shelf-life of 10-12 years.
    It is just a small proof that friendly countries dumping the old stuff in Ukraine.


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