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    Post  andalusia Wed Mar 09, 2022 6:02 pm

    Being here in America I don't know if this is true or not but is it true that a law has been passed that if anybody calls this conflict between Russia and Ukraine a "war" in Russia that they will receive 15 years of prison time? If true that is pretty ridiculous.


    https://www.yahoo.com/news/russia-cracks-down-free-speech-040014673.html
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    Post  flamming_python Wed Mar 09, 2022 6:11 pm

    andalusia wrote:Being here in America I don't know if this is true or not but is it true that a law has been passed that if anybody calls this conflict between Russia and Ukraine a "war" in Russia that they will receive 15 years of prison time? If true that is pretty ridiculous.


    https://www.yahoo.com/news/russia-cracks-down-free-speech-040014673.html

    Haven't heard about it

    All Western info sources are operating in full war propaganda mode at the moment

    But we do have new laws about posting fakes about Russian loses or some such, and anti-war agitation. Bans on YouTube and Facebook announced but for me they're still working fine.
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    Post  GarryB Thu Mar 10, 2022 2:52 am

    I have never witnessed such a propaganda blitz as this in my life. Frankly its terrifying. All the more shows me that my country has been hijacked by very malevolent people. Doesnt matter the political persuasion. All bad.

    There are no anti war parties in the west except when it is not them starting the war...

    "I doubt that the Allies would have agreed on an attack like this. Britain and France were exhausted, so it would have been the USA alone. The Russians would have been on the defensive once again and probably would have experienced a moral boost from that."

    He agreed with my statement but said it would have been worth the sacrifice.

    Except that Stalin was able to shift an enormous force to the other side of his country to defeat the Japanese very very quickly... if the western allies wanted to try something in Europe, they would have been fighting enormous forces that were tired but also pissed off at what the Germans had just done to their country.

    The irony really is that the west was happy to invest in and befriend the Chinese to use them against the Russians... well if you can make friends with communist Chinese, who are still communist to this day, then what the **** is your problem with non communist Russia now?

    I have a book written in about the 1870s by a British artillery officer and in it he talks about the dangerous half asian Russians just itching to steal India from the British Empire... they weren't communist then, but they were rivals... like they are now which is why they will always be hated... it doesn't matter what politics or religion they follow.


    I don't think you guys realize that a lot of Americans don't like Russia because many Americans hate Communism, Marxism and Socialism.

    I think a lot of those Americans have got no idea what communism or marxism or socialism even is.

    So you think an ant colony could survive if it was just every one for himself?

    Humans can't either... any man or woman on their own would be easily defeated by any group of other people... if we didn't work together in groups there would be no way we could have computers or high rise buildings... how many houses near where you live were built by one person... one person who built it, put in the plumbing, the electrics, everything?

    The Me me me ideology leads to consumerism and the death of our planet, but it is useful for the rich and powerful because then they don't need to make functioning health care services for everyone, and they can save lots of money on mental health and education.

    Think of the Trump term in office... any time he wanted to do something good or useful something would come up to piss him off and screw it up... they hounded him every time he talked to Putin because they claimed he was a SPY.

    He went in to office saying he wanted to improve relations with Russia to make the US better and more powerful, and they made him impose more sanctions than Obama imposed on the Russians and we are seeing the results now... this is not going to be good for Russia, but killing nazis with WMDs they wont see any other option... and the fact that the US was making custom designed bioweapons to murder Russians and also helping nazis get nuclear weapons... well I suspect they wont be looking to the US for partnerships for some time now if ever.

    America is the bad guy in this... and I don't mean I am offended because you addressed me with the wrong pronoun...


    If they now shift their policy and encourage the Ukraine to come to a deal with Russia, then they will be able to maintain globalism for a little longer yet, albeit considerably weakened, and with nothing to employ against China.

    They are building anti Russian genetic bio weapons... and arming nazis with them and nuclear weapons... what more is there to talk about?

    Russia needs to make anti Europe genetic bio weapons and a lot more nukes.

    Being here in America I don't know if this is true or not but is it true that a law has been passed that if anybody calls this conflict between Russia and Ukraine a "war" in Russia that they will receive 15 years of prison time? If true that is pretty ridiculous.

    Coming from the west who has blocked RT and Sputnik, I would say BS.

    Russia has blocked some western news sources but only in response to those sites banning Russian equivalents first.

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    Post  Werewolf Thu Mar 10, 2022 10:05 am

    andalusia wrote:
    I don't think you guys realize that a lot of Americans don't like Russia because many Americans hate Communism, Marxism and Socialism.  

    Most Americans do not even know what these words mean. Just look the filth that they call socialists, marxists or communists. They are ideological all over the place. They support fascist tactics to silence their opponents, love to vote for big governments to regulate whatever they dislike (fascism), they hate the government at the same time, they all make constantly mentioning of white being racists while in any Marxists or Communistic doctrine that was punishable to say the least. They try to maximize their individuality by coloring their hair in unnatural colors, make themselves very ugly, develop language that is insulting to 99% of the population, harming children, family values and so on. If this idiots would do that in any communist country, be it Soviet Union, North Korea or anywhere else that was even slightly considered as "communistic" they would be converted to fertilizer! Back in the day when I was teenager up to 21 years old I was a communist and read a lot of communist literature. Communism since Proto-Communism (which is the only reason why developed beyond hunter & gatherer) prohibits and punishes individuality that go against the norm and try to diminish the majority of the population.

    They have no believes that would qualify them to be called communists or socialists. The majority are young people which by nature have always a rebellious character compared to adults and filled with contradicting ideas that would never be developed by any self-critical or thinking person.


    Americans have no idea about communism and are only responding to some minor ideas that this clowns are spewing. What this idiots are, they are unintelligent, paradoxical anarchists with high degree of opportunistic approach to use fascistic or terroristic methods to achieve what they want. I really hope they get send to North Korea to see how they will be converted to fertilizer.

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    Post  Werewolf Thu Mar 10, 2022 11:44 am

    Does anyone know a cheap russian virtual private server provider? I can not see russian news anymore since my own OpenVPN-server is in France and VPN is not helpful to overcome the censorship.

    I would like to know in general if you came a cross something in the price class of OVH server or Kimsufi servers that are just 3€ a month and not the ridiculous 18-20€ a month for 20-40GB SSD storage and 1 core 1-2GB RAM?
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    Post  Airbornewolf Thu Mar 10, 2022 11:58 am

    Werewolf wrote:Does anyone know a cheap russian virtual private server provider? I can not see russian news anymore since my own OpenVPN-server is in France and VPN is not helpful to overcome the censorship.

    I would like to know in general if you came a cross something in the price class of OVH server or Kimsufi servers that are just 3€ a month and not the ridiculous 18-20€ a month for 20-40GB SSD storage and 1 core 1-2GB RAM?

    I use NordVPN myself to circumvent the scensorship in the EU.
    https://nordvpn.com/

    i know its not an direct answer to your question, but perhaps what is below here might be an solution to your issue of visiting russian sources without additional costs?.

    From the site of RT itself:

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    2. On your PC, you can use the Tor browser, which can be downloaded here. RT’s website address in Tor remains the same: www.rt.com. If Tor doesn’t work for you, or is unavailable via regular means, you can resolve this issue by sending an empty email to gettor@torproject.com and you will be sent the necessary link.

    https://www.torproject.org/download/

    3. Another way of circumventing restrictions is to use the Psiphon censorship-bypass tool, which can be downloaded for Windows, Android, and other systems. (Windows download here, direct Android download here, and other options here). Alternatively, you can use a VPN service of your choice.

    https://psiphon.ca/en/download.html

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    Post  miketheterrible Thu Mar 10, 2022 12:22 pm

    Another method is using a built in VPN like in Opera browser:

    https://www.opera.com/features/free-vpn

    But it isn't secured in the sense you will be monitored.

    If you have iOS, you can always use the Brave Browser which has a VPN as well:

    https://brave.com/firewall-vpn/

    They are currently working on it for Android and Desktop.

    Kaspersky has 1 with max 200mb of data for free.

    https://www.kaspersky.ca/vpn-secure-connection

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    Post  PhSt Thu Mar 10, 2022 11:07 pm

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    Post  andalusia Fri Mar 11, 2022 6:50 pm

    Many people think US Foreign Aid is used to help other countries but that is not the case. I want to know is the aid from other countries like Britain, France, Italy and other countries the same?

    Here is an excerpt from the article:

    "To buy goodwill from others or coerce them, aid provides a classic tool of statecraft. For the biggest donors it can buy votes at the United Nations, keep client regimes ‘onside’, punish troublemakers and open doors to powerful people. As a former senior US aid official put it, “Foreign aid … is like political campaign contributions: it can facilitate the access of those providing it to those receiving it.” Giving aid helps governments to look good in diplomatic forums while encouraging taxpayers to feel good about their generosity."

    "Under vigorous donor pressure, poorer countries have poured trillions of dollars into Western banks under a rationale of self-insurance. As the economist C. P. Chandrasekhar has pointed out “This reverse flow of capital essentially means that excess savings in emerging markets are being ‘recycled’ in ways that put the responsibility of allocating that capital in the hands of a few financial decision makers … sitting at the apex of a concentrated global financial system.”





    https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/transformation/inconvenient-truth-about-foreign-aid/

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    Post  lancelot Fri Mar 11, 2022 7:05 pm

    "USAID" is basically a CIA front. They demand to distribute their aid directly to the populations to "bypass tyrant control" and then use this as a front to distribute weapons to militants and other things like that. They have been caught doing this in Yemen and other places. Other international aid associations can be more or less bad at this. Some are okayish.

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    Post  GarryB Sat Mar 12, 2022 1:27 am

    At higher levels US aide can generally only be spent on US products so it is a US taxpayer gift to the US MIC most of the time.

    Once they have bought a percentage of US military equipment they will find they have to buy the whole set because it wont work with anything else... and what they got for free they will pay for in maintenance and upgrades over the next few years.

    It is not aide, it is control and market access/dominance.
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    Post  PhSt Sat Mar 12, 2022 3:28 am

    RT Channel on Youtube is no longer accessible here in Canada. It looks like the censorship is worldwide. Russia should seize this opportunity to present to the world its alternative to Youtube to counter NATzO propaganda asap. Also, since NATzO is already engaged in an economic war against Russia, It would be a good idea to host a video streaming site where viewers can access the latest HD Hollywood films and all other NATzO copyrighted products. Anything that would cause enormous economic loss to all NATzO businesses is welcome russia

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    Post  PhSt Sat Mar 12, 2022 8:31 pm

    saw this ad today, it seems the Ukronazis and their NATzO backers are getting desperate  Laughing

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    Post  magnumcromagnon Sat Mar 12, 2022 10:16 pm

    PhSt wrote:saw this ad today, it seems the Ukronazis and their NATzO backers are getting desperate  Laughing

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    Post  Godric Sat Mar 12, 2022 11:13 pm

    RT.com and Sputnik websites now banned in the UK so that the Western MSM can promote it's lies unhindered
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    Post  GarryB Sun Mar 13, 2022 8:07 am

    The BBC promises to show all sides of the story... which should include Putins side and the Russian side... so the BBC should be banned too, for propaganda...

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    Post  lyle6 Sun Mar 13, 2022 2:37 pm


    Dumb khazars, they just gave away the game. From now on every footage from Ukraine and their butt buddies are suspect Razz

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    Post  AlfaT8 Sun Mar 13, 2022 3:36 pm



    Something for kvs and friends.
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    Post  kvs Sun Mar 13, 2022 5:08 pm

    I have no interest wading through NATzO fanboi excrement. The title of that video tells me all I need to know.

    Even if Russia does not get a single new HPC processor, its HPC capacity will not diminish for over a decade. I have been using
    and maintaining HPC systems for over two decades and the only parts that croak on a regular basis are the hard disks. These are
    being actively replaced with solid state drives. CPUs and motherboards do not burn out if they are not defective from the factory.
    In that case they fail early anyway.

    High resolution lithography is the only tech that Russia does not produce itself. The only tech, end of story. Ten years is more than
    enough time for Russia and China to resolve the TSMC aspect. China is almost there already regardless what YouCrap fanboi videos
    claim. It will initiate mass production in 14 nm this year. It is on track for 10 nm and smaller resolutions in the next few years regardless
    of Uncle Swineshit's sanctions. Russia can source all the M.2 and SSD components from China.

    It is tiresome listening to the same racist drivel from westerners. You clowns have no monopoly on human intelligence. In fact,
    your average IQ is falling rapidly in the brave new world of CRT "education" and face diaper mandates.









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    Post  Hole Sun Mar 13, 2022 8:18 pm

    Russia can still buy anything via third countries, like Serbia, India, UAE...

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    Post  GarryB Mon Mar 14, 2022 1:56 am

    People talk about 10nm and 7nm chips like it has significance, the vast majority of uses for computers use cheap very simple very old chip designs... the chips in toasters don't need to process video files, many super computers don't even use new powerful chips because what makes them powerful is parallel processing, which means lots of slower cheaper chips in large numbers can be more effective than fewer faster chips.

    The data bottle necks in computer design means CPUs rarely use 100% of their processing power very often at all, and a well designed OS and well designed software can make a huge difference too.

    Being cut off from the west is going to be very good for Russia because it means their independence will be complete and they can offer to the rest of the world a choice that is not the moral and ethic vacuum that is the west to cooperate and trade with.

    It is not going to be easy, but very few things really worth doing are.

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    Post  kvs Mon Mar 14, 2022 3:39 am

    GarryB wrote:People talk about 10nm and 7nm chips like it has significance, the vast majority of uses for computers use cheap very simple very old chip designs... the chips in toasters don't need to process video files, many super computers don't even use new powerful chips because what makes them powerful is parallel processing, which means lots of slower cheaper chips in large numbers can be more effective than fewer faster chips.

    The data bottle necks in computer design means CPUs rarely use 100% of their processing power very often at all, and a well designed OS and well designed software can make a huge difference too.

    Being cut off from the west is going to be very good for Russia because it means their independence will be complete and they can offer to the rest of the world a choice that is not the moral and ethic vacuum that is the west to cooperate and trade with.

    It is not going to be easy, but very few things really worth doing are.

    Good observation about HPC. Back in the day we had vector processor based supercomputers (e.g. NEC SX series) that were designed from the ground up
    to be very efficient in memory access and speed. Then we got scalar parallel supercomputers taking over and they all have the same problem as any PC
    and that is cache bottlenecks and trashing. A lot of code is not optimized for the cache architecture of the scalar processors on the HPC system.
    Programmers are not low level hardware specialists and don't even know how to produce assembler code. The code run on HPC systems is also born
    in science and engineering fields which are not staffed by professional programmers. Some places have dedicated programmers who facilitate the
    scientists to generate the code but that is not universal.

    Given the history from the USSR period, Russia can make better use of its HPC hardware than for example America can. This comes from having to do
    more with less and having a rigorous mathematics background. It is ironic that filthy rich America with its vast supercomputer potential is not so hot
    when it comes to the programming.

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    Post  Werewolf Mon Mar 14, 2022 11:39 am

    lyle6 wrote:
    Dumb khazars, they just gave away the game. From now on every footage from Ukraine and their butt buddies are suspect Razz

    Looking at this kind of CGI the downed Mi-24 becomes more and more unbelievable, but I am impressed as what kind of Shit you can come up with from just a few days of rendering or maybe even hours of rendering a CGI video. It is just 2 weeks of war and they have already made such videos. Little bit more knowledged person who knows how military vehicles fly, drive, move, and how explosions look like or how missiles target objects will have certainly more believable and almost indistinguishable from reality videos. And the Idiots over there believe everything, DeepFake and CGI videos, the future of False Flags. What the enemy gonna do about it - use the media? Ha! its already banned and controlled everywhere!

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    Post  higurashihougi Mon Mar 14, 2022 3:32 pm

    https://www.rt.com/news/551868-meta-policy-assissinate-head-state/

    Facebook’s parent company Meta has changed its policy guidance on tolerance to hate speech to prohibit “condoning violence” against “Russians in general” and to ban calls for the death of heads of state, Reuters reported on Monday, citing a memo posted on the company’s internal platform.

    The Sunday post, published by Meta’s global affairs president, Nick Clegg, and seen by Reuters, suggests that Facebook is “narrowing the focus” of its content moderation policy to make it “explicitly clear” that a previous decisions made last week should not be interpreted as “condoning violence against Russians in general.”

    Last Thursday, Reuters was also the first to report that Meta would begin allowing hate speech against Russians on Facebook and Instagram. Citing another batch of internal emails, the news agency initially reported that the platform would allow hate speech against all Russians amid the ongoing war in Ukraine. However, it later toned down its text to explain the measure referred specifically to the “invading Russians” and President Vladimir Putin.

    Now Meta has apparently backtracked on that policy too, with Clegg reportedly writing that it would “not permit calls to assassinate a head of state.”

    “In order to remove any ambiguity about our stance, we are further narrowing our guidance to make explicit that we are not allowing calls for the death of a head of state on our platforms,” he wrote.

    He added that since the situation in Ukraine is fast-moving, Meta will keep its guidance “under constant review” and claimed Meta “stands against Russophobia.”

    The platform has “no tolerance for calls for genocide, ethnic cleansing, or any kind of discrimination, harassment, or violence towards Russians on our platform,” he said.

    Meta’s earlier decision on violence against Russians was even met with criticism from the United Nations, with a spokesman for the UN Secretary-General Antonio Guterres saying that such language is “unacceptable” in any context.

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