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    Post  Arrow Sat Jun 15, 2024 10:46 pm

    When posing goes wrong censored How about deploying the fleets to their ready positions in anticipation of a massive conflict? wrote:

    I think that 955A patrolling the area around the North Pole would be better suited for this purpose Very Happy

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    Post  ALAMO Sat Jun 15, 2024 10:59 pm

    Those does not need to "patrol" anything, as all the decision making centers, military facilities and manned/industrialized areas can be hit without even leaving the pier.
    That is jus one more bogus of the angloids.
    Russkie can torch you, no matter if you are bunquered in Wyoming or sitting in a vault in New Zealand.
    Putin put that clear : they do know where are the vaults, and will strike right into. With no need to repeat.

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    Post  flamming_python Sun Jun 16, 2024 12:46 am

    ALAMO wrote:Those does not need to "patrol" anything, as all the decision making centers, military facilities and manned/industrialized areas can be hit without even leaving the pier.
    That is jus one more bogus of the angloids.
    Russkie can torch you, no matter if you are bunquered in Wyoming or sitting in a vault in New Zealand.
    Putin put that clear : they do know where are the vaults, and will strike right into. With no need to repeat.

    Well that's all true, but there is nothing quite like a Zircon parked within range of the White House though. There's barely enough time to shit yourself between being informed of the missile and the impact happening, and you can forget about that underground bunker beneath the White House too; the Zircon can potentially get you down there too.

    Highly destabilizing capability naturally. But now would be a good time to flash it a bit. But not to the point where they know where to send ASW assets against it clown

    And certainly there's no need to send a Gorshkov practically on its own anywhere either. What's the use of it unsupported in Cuba?

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    Post  GarryB Sun Jun 16, 2024 4:47 am

    Russkie can torch you, no matter if you are bunquered in Wyoming or sitting in a vault in New Zealand.
    Putin put that clear : they do know where are the vaults, and will strike right into. With no need to repeat.

    Some vaults in New Zealand have been vetted and approved and will not be hit... Twisted Evil


    And certainly there's no need to send a Gorshkov practically on its own anywhere either. What's the use of it unsupported in Cuba?

    Maybe Cuba might be interested in a few frigates that can carry missiles that scare the US...

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    Post  Arrow Mon Jun 17, 2024 8:50 pm

    Some propagandists are already showing how Kazan is losing anechoic plates. In general, gluing the anechoic coating has always been a big problem. The Russians handle it very well anyway.

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    The USA is doing worse, although Virginias may be poorly serviced. Virginia looks like a picture of misery...

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    Post  Arrow Mon Jun 17, 2024 10:34 pm

    Well that's all true, but there is nothing quite like a Zircon parked within range of the White House though. There's barely enough time to shit yourself between being informed of the missile and the impact happening, and you can forget about that underground bunker beneath the White House too; the Zircon can potentially get you down there too. wrote:

    Do you think Russia has the ability to launch a decapitating nuclear attack on the US?
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    Post  lancelot Tue Jun 18, 2024 3:16 am

    Arrow wrote:Do you think Russia has the ability to launch a decapitating nuclear attack on the US?
    The strategic disparity between Russian and US nuclear weapons is the highest it has ever been.
    Just for reference, Russia basically finished upgrading all its Topol and Topol-M systems with MIRV warheads i.e. to Yars-S and Yars rockets. The US is still using unitary warheads on the Minuteman III. The SLBMs the US uses are also likely behind in technological terms. With the Russian Bulava having a faster ascent time and a flatter trajectory.

    Russia has like eight Borei SSBNs. And the US is still building its first Columbia sub.

    And then you have the UR-100N rockets with the Avangard. The recently introduced into service RS-28 Sarmat.
    Add to that the Poseidon nuclear torpedo and the Burevestnik nuclear cruise missile which are in advanced stage of development.

    At the same time the Chinese are busy as bees building huge silo fields in the middle of nowhere.

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    Post  ALAMO Tue Jun 18, 2024 8:01 am

    It is a well put question.
    We can only speculate about general readiness of the US nuclear force, but ...
    The technical edge of Russkie arsenal is only one side of a coin.
    In the last decade+, all of NATO nuclear forces performed only small portion of tests the Russkie did.
    Those test proved the arsenal to be far from reliable, with both Minutmen and Trident facing spectacular failures.
    Correct me if I am wrong, as the thing never bothered me much - but wasn't the general ratio somehow close to 50:50?
    The sole arsenal in NATO that is relatively new is the French one - but we are talking about three dozens of missiles.
    On the other hand Russkie own probably the most effective AD system on the planet, being upgraded and strengthened on a regular basis.
    If there is a "decapitation strike" window of opportunity, it would be now or pretty soon. NATO arsenal will downgrade in the next half a decade, while Russkie will only improve.
    The US would use such an advantage at least as a strong political leverage.
    But I don't believe Russkie will. They never did, even in the Soviet times.
    In some of the historical cases, thay have proved to be capable to make a setback and restrict their own privileged position to maintain peace.

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    Post  The-thing-next-door Tue Jun 18, 2024 12:04 pm

    ALAMO wrote:
    The US would use such an advantage at least as a strong political leverage.
    But I don't believe Russkie will. They never did, even in the Soviet times.
    In some of the historical cases, thay have proved to be capable to make a setback and restrict their own privileged position to maintain peace.

    Considering the nature of the american nuclear war is inevitable, hence it would be foolish to waste any opportunity to have it on favourable terms.
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    Post  GarryB Tue Jun 18, 2024 12:34 pm

    Do you think Russia has the ability to launch a decapitating nuclear attack on the US?

    A decapitation attack requires weapons that can penetrate the enemies air defences and reach not just the leaders but the leaders of the opposition who will replace the leaders if the leaders get taken out.

    I would say Zircon and a range of other Russian weapons would easily penetrate US air defences and reach critical targets in the US and Europe, and fitting them with nuclear warheads will maximised their destructive effect.

    In Russia I would say the air defences around Moscow able to stop ballistic threats in large volumes would give Putin plenty of time to order a nuclear response.

    A decapitation attack only makes sense if you prevent your enemy from being able to order a complete response.

    Dead Hand makes a western decapitation attack unlikely to be effective.

    The chances of taking out Biden with hypersonic nukes... the flight speed of the missiles gives minutes... not even long enough to get airborne in anything but a helicopter... so a Zircon to hit where he is and four more Zircons to hit the ground 10km in either direction around where the president is... the chances of killing him would be high... or at least to make him fall down the stairs...
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    Post  ALAMO Tue Jun 18, 2024 12:42 pm

    I will only remind you, that the last tests of Promethei were conducted only a few months ago.
    And it has intercepted two R-29 SLBMs, which are more advanced than Trident is ...
    S-500 is operational ... And they can make at least 2 batteries per year ...

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    Post  Arrow Tue Jun 18, 2024 2:58 pm

    If there is a "decapitation strike" window of opportunity, it would be now or pretty soon. NATO arsenal will downgrade in the next half a decade, while Russkie will only improve. The US would use such an advantage at least as a strong political leverage. wrote:

    In the case of the USA, decapitation is extremely difficult. Even now as their nuclear arsenal is degrading. They still have operational EW systems on land and in space. DSP system and now they are developing SBIRS. In the event of an attack with ICBM and SLBM complexes, the USA has enough time to react. Even if half of the rakie doesn't make it due to its age, it's still a lot. The only option is to launch a decapitation strike using 3M22 missiles and Yasen-M ships. The missiles will reach the main decision-making centers in the US in Washington within 3 minutes. This will disrupt the timing of the decision to retaliate and then launch a nuclear attack with ICBM and SLBM missiles. For ICBM launchers and SSBN ship bases. This is obviously a very risky game and Russia would not take it.

    I will only remind you, that the last tests of Promethei were conducted only a few months ago. And it has intercepted two R-29 SLBMs, which are more advanced than Trident is ... S-500 is operational ... And they can make at least 2 batteries per year ... wrote:

    This is a huge feat. They intercepted the SLBM with a small mobile systems. The US uses huge GBIs to intercept ICBMs. And under certain conditions SM3 block. Of course, GBI protects the entire US area and S-500 provides point protection. So you need a lot of such sets to cover key centers. The S-500 likely intercepted the RV in its terminal phase while already in the atmosphere. This has its pros and cons. Generally, in the atmosphere, the RV is no longer accompanied by a large number of light decoys, only the RV and heavy decoys fly. The US bases its ABM system mainly on extra-atmospheric interception, where it must distinguish large numbers of decoys flying from RVs. Which is very difficult.
    In addition to the S-500, the Russians are developing the 53T6M and probably another exoatmospheric missile, perhaps even Nudol. Interesting, because it seems that in ABM systems they already have an advantage over the USA, which has pumped huge resources $ into NMD.
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    Post  Arrow Tue Jun 18, 2024 5:59 pm

    Another question about the US strategic arsenal is the efficiency of strategic warheads. Nuclear warheads need to be serviced quite frequently. This is not an ordinary bomb lying around in a warehouse. This device is much more complicated, etc. The USA has not developed a single new strategic warhead since W-88? The question is about their efficiency in general. The Russians have new thermonuclear payloads in their new ICBMs and SLBMs.
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    Post  GarryB Wed Jun 19, 2024 3:40 am

    In the case of the USA, decapitation is extremely difficult.

    I think you misunderstand what decapitation is.

    Decapitation means taking out the leadership of the enemy with a sneaky small strike that takes out the president and anyone who could make the decision to launch a nuclear strike in response to the attack... including opposition politicians and deputies.

    In the event of an attack with ICBM and SLBM complexes, the USA has enough time to react.

    SLBMs launched from Russian waters and I would agree with you, but US EW systems are all pointed north for an attack over the north pole and would not be of any use with an SLBM launch from near Cuba or Venezuela or even the South Atlantic or South Pacific.

    The Russian early warning system looks in every direction, the US EW system looks north... from Canada and the US and Greenland and the UK.

    More importantly their EW is looking for ballistic weapons so a low flying nuclear powered nuclear armed cruise missile would not be detected... they could launch dozens of them to hit targets all over the US and the US likely wont even detect them until they start exploding...

    he only option is to launch a decapitation strike using 3M22 missiles and Yasen-M ships. The missiles will reach the main decision-making centers in the US in Washington within 3 minutes. This will disrupt the timing of the decision to retaliate and then launch a nuclear attack with ICBM and SLBM missiles. For ICBM launchers and SSBN ship bases. This is obviously a very risky game and Russia would not take it.

    The Russians have lots of options including nuclear weapons in orbit that detonate over the US to start the conflict with a massive EMP burst to blind those radars and make interception and even detection of an attack rather difficult.

    This means you could coordinate a strike where a Yasen launches Zircon or a massively enlarged extended range and faster model, or a Borey could launch Bulavas from a southern direction... and just as they detonate taking out the pentagon and other important decision making centres like Oprah Winfreys house and of course the many houses of the Khardashians, then a nuke in space optimised for the job of generating an EMP burst can be detonated over the US and Hawaii... and then a full nuclear strike can be launched in the confusion.

    The S-500 likely intercepted the RV in its terminal phase while already in the atmosphere. This has its pros and cons.

    The S-500 is described as being able to hit ballistic targets and also targets in low earth orbit so it is rather unlikely it can only intercept targets inside the atmosphere.

    They have mentioned an improved missile they called the S-550 that can intercept targets moving faster than 7km/s... which suggests being able to hit higher orbits.

    In addition to the S-500, the Russians are developing the 53T6M and probably another exoatmospheric missile, perhaps even Nudol. Interesting, because it seems that in ABM systems they already have an advantage over the USA, which has pumped huge resources $ into NMD.

    They have always kept their Moscow ABM system up to date, and now thanks to the US tearing up agreements on ABM systems they can now duplicate the Moscow ABM system in St Petersburg and other areas. Perhaps they will decide on important centres in each military block in Russia and have an ABM protected city and major airfield and or port etc protected and other platforms like S-400 and S-500 scattered around the place too.



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    Post  ahmedfire Thu Jun 20, 2024 8:57 am

    The chances of taking out Biden with hypersonic nukes .
    Biden : i condemn Mexico Hyper trucks .

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    Post  Arrow Thu Jun 20, 2024 11:34 am

    Another Virginia. Laughing I wonder how quiet they are?
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    Post  PhSt Wed Jun 26, 2024 10:29 am

    One of the thousand reasons why NATzO Hypocrites deserve to be Exterminated. This is the only solution.

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    Post  PhSt Wed Jul 10, 2024 1:30 am

    NATO propagandists don't even bother to hide their brazen Hypocrisy  Rolling Eyes

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    Post  GarryB Wed Jul 10, 2024 5:53 am

    When it was proven that women and children were killed in Iraq due to US attacks it was always blamed on Saddam for creating this war in the first place...

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    Post  kvs Wed Jul 10, 2024 11:40 am

    If Russia was targeting children's hospitals (how special) and cat shelters, then there would be more than one incident in the whole duration of
    the war.   This is the same retarded propaganda as Putin "offing his critics".   Real repression involves killing of tens of thousands of opponents
    as we saw in Chile and Argentina in the 1970s.   Not less than 10, most of whom were somehow allowed to operate unhindered until they
    faded into obscurity.  

    The Kiev regime has been targeting civilians since 2014.  Recall all the Tochka-U strikes on Donetsk and other parts of the Donbass that
    had no military target within a radius of tens of kilometers or at all.   Again, you can't even attribute the "children's hospital" hit to a failed
    Russian missile since such incidents would be occurring on a regular basis given the number of Russian missiles of all sorts being launched in
    waves at Ukr targets.  

    The problem is that the average mass media consumer lemming is utterly innumerate and has the physical sense of a flea.  If you want to know
    the basis of society's problems, this is it.  The base ignorance and credulity of the masses.  Always led around by the nose by the self-chosen
    elite.

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