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    Post  kvs Fri Mar 03, 2023 2:26 pm

    The NATzO west lives in a circle jerk bubble of delusion. The above is an example of using paid 5th column trash to feed "information"
    that feeds into the NATzO perceptions of Russia. Any sane information processing would involve inputs that are not simple affirmation.

    The NATzO deciders are so smart that they are utterly stupid.

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    Post  AlfaT8 Fri Mar 03, 2023 8:48 pm

    Old habits die hard.

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    Post  lancelot Fri Mar 03, 2023 8:51 pm

    Old Western habits die hard. China settled on the border at a time Russia was historically weak after the end of the Cold War.
    The Chinese population is decreasing and aging, and like they said in the video the North is low in water, so it makes little sense for China to expand to Siberia.
    That area is basically China's rust belt and its population is collapsing as we speak.

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    Post  kvs Fri Mar 03, 2023 10:55 pm

    China has established that it prefers business to conquest. It can get access to the resources of Siberia through the market for
    very reasonable prices. Inter-country trade can be like intra-country trade so conquest is not obviously the best route.

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    Post  GarryB Sat Mar 04, 2023 10:54 am

    And that is the problem with Western propaganda because they assume China and Russia are colonial bastards like they are... and they clearly are not.

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    Post  AlfaT8 Sat Mar 04, 2023 1:09 pm

    I do think China and Russia will have issues on the future, but that is only when the U.S empire is 6-feet under.
    And their countries fragmented into multiple warring factions.
    Luckily the West is well on their way down this route, dou entirly to their own utter incompotence, Russia and China barely lifted a finger.

    That is why we see the West desperatly trying to make a new boogyman of Russia and/or China in order to unite their fracturing countries.
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    Post  andalusia Sat Mar 04, 2023 10:07 pm

    This article is quite hilarious, what is odd is that Russia is not ranked but the Ukraine is.  Both countries are basically similar in looks. At the end of the day it is totally subjective and beauty is in the eye of the beholder.



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    Post  GarryB Sun Mar 05, 2023 5:00 am

    The US will not go 6 feet under, they have too much power and influence over everything that is deemed important in the western world... and obviously when their currency goes tits up and is worthless they will have problems but they have a large military which they will use to bully and steal and the rest of the west seems prepared to do what they say no matter what so there is always that.

    At the end of the day it is totally subjective and beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

    Based on Reddit Votes and up posts... yeah, I think their data is bullshit... and what does it even mean... it seems to be comparing idolised versions of a race and comparing such things which is stupid.

    The most handsome man could be from any country but the rest of the population of that country might be **** ugly... what a meaningless empty story about nothing... typical empty headed dribble that western media like to talk about so you ignore real issues like why energy is so expensive now when it used to be cheap, or why are there less vegetables at the shop... is there a shortage of fertiliser?

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    Post  Odin of Ossetia Sun Mar 05, 2023 7:47 pm




    India does not have many attractive people.

    It has lots of ugly people.


    This article is paid for by the Indians. Laughing



    Do you live in the U.S.A. "Andalusia"?

    You have a strange forum name for someone from U.S.A.


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    Post  AlfaT8 Sun Mar 05, 2023 10:13 pm

    "The US will not go 6 feet under,"

    I disagree, from what i can see, once the money runs out it's all down hill from there.
    U.S soldiers are more like Mercs, rather than the patriotic type, no matter how much they try to pretend otherwise.
    This go's all the way back to Lincoln.

    This means that the soldiers are gonna work for the highest bidders.
    And once that happens it's all down hill from there.

    All Russia and China need to do at that point is send some shadow funds here and there.

    I simply don't see America surviving this, their internal divides are simply too obvious as soon as Washington loses it's grip, it will all come crashing down. attack


    Oohhh, i just realized why the U.S allowed their Silos to fall into disrepair.
    It's to prevent whatever state there in from properly using them.

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    Post  GarryB Mon Mar 06, 2023 3:49 am

    Honestly in the 1990s there was lots of talk of Russia completely collapsing and being bought out... Japan was going to overcome their stagnation by buying up MiG and Sukhoi and Tupolev etc and revitalising their aerospace capacity they once had before the Americans took them over after WWII, Europe was going to use Russia as a factory for their shit with a large educated work force willing to work for cents... but that ended up being China instead...

    I seriously had conversations on the internet in the 1990s with American teenagers convinced that by now the US and HATO would have 10,000 F-35s in service and Russia would be a third world country selling oil and gas and operating any F-16s they could buy off the smaller European countries as they accepted delivery of their F-35s.

    I have heard the doom and gloom about Russia being destroyed... China was going to invade, it was going to collapse with separatists starting civil wars... Moscow was going to beg HATO to come in and create peace and stability like they never have anywhere.

    So don't be surprised when I don't think the US will just collapse... when things appear to be working then those few patriots who care about right and wrong realise something is wrong and crooks are running amok with no accountability and stealing the general public blind behind the scenes it wont matter because those patriots who care are a small minority, but when things fall over and the price of energy gets expensive and working three jobs doesn't pay the bills let alone allow a holiday home and lots of excess money to go on holidays and go out for a show or a movie every week, then the stupid majority suddenly start to wonder why and people might start to wonder what is happening in a country that can print as much money as it pleases but it all just seems to go into the pockets of people whose pockets are already full of money. It is only when the majority are really suffering that they start to wonder why the super rich are still super rich yet they are so poor and think perhaps politicians care too much about making the super rich even richer while neglecting everyone else.

    The rich can be rich as long as the rest of us work to make them rich and keep them rich... no one can earn 1 billion dollars on their own... they have to manipulate others to do work for them.

    When there is no food to buy in the shops and your house is cold because you can only afford to heat one room in your house then the "everything is fine" bullshit stops working... and going out into the street and protesting is easier when you just lost your job.

    The worker ant mentality is good but only when everyone is putting in the same amount of effort... when the rich are on continuous holidays just taking the odd break to visit the factories that make the products that make them rich then something is wrong.

    They might get a Putin, or if they are unlucky they might get a Stalin... but someone is going to come along and sort the shit out and actually be a real president rather than a figurehead.

    Going to be a rocky road ahead though because they are so far off road there are no obvious tracks that lead back... will most likely be a religious nutter that brings them back to a proper moral path... but that is their problem.


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    Post  AlfaT8 Tue Mar 07, 2023 2:17 pm

    Lets be honest garry, one of the major reasons why Russia didn't become Europe's factory.
    Is becuase the West believed that massive western investments could eventually lead the way to Russia's resurgence.
    So China was looked at as the less risky option.
    Sadly for the West, this has now led to the rise of 2 major powers, ironically.

    Well thats the thing, the USSR did indeed collapse and fragment, just not anywhere near what the west was hoping for.
    In my view, it was thanks to the broader concept of "mother Russia" still being intact, that spared Russia a much more serious collapse.
    While in the west, we see not just the destruction of the "classic mericana" concept, but also the very notion of "what is a woman".
    And in Europe we see armies of foreign men being imported and raping the women and children of Europe, while their "enlightend" leaders either do nothing or outright assist in this madness.
    Could there be any clearer sign of westerm decline?

    The question is, what are Russia and China gonna do when the West falls?
    Will they do as the West did in the Yeltsin era, simply assume and hoping that Russia colapses on its own.
    While suppoting some limit nonsense in some backwater like Chechnya.
    Or will Russia and China support whatever movement to finish the job once and for all.
    My money's on the latter.

    As for the so-called "patriots", they are all bark and no bite.
    This is why they will always lose.
    Of this i am absolutly cetian.
    Look at Trump vs Yeltsin for example during their cuops.
    Trump brought stupid protesters.
    Yeltsin brought tanks.
    Nuff said.

    My money is on a gay Stalin, but again, it will depend on what Russia and China do as well.
    It'll be a cold day in hell before some Christian nutter takes over, maybe in some states, but not the country in general.

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    Post  flamming_python Tue Mar 07, 2023 5:57 pm

    If the West falls, by which is really meant that the globalist elite there is run out of power and discredited, then Russia and China don't have to 'finish the job' at all. The job will already be finished, as the people that replace the neo-cons will not have an appetite for continuing the quest for domination over the world and would instead be busy with resurrecting the economies of their own countries. And they will build relations with Russia, China and others in order to do it, as part of a now fully multipolar world with no hegemon dictating things.

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    Post  GarryB Tue Mar 07, 2023 6:32 pm

    Lets be honest garry, one of the major reasons why Russia didn't become Europe's factory.
    Is becuase the West believed that massive western investments could eventually lead the way to Russia's resurgence.
    So China was looked at as the less risky option.

    I disagree, I think China just offered the better deal... they would work for less with less red tape and let the western companies pollute and kill as long as they built factories all over the place to create jobs.

    The west has been using slave labour to make their shit for ever... there was a time when the cheap crap was made in most Asian countries... including Japan at one time, but eventually labour laws came in and wages increased and they moved their factories to the next poor country.

    Some countries were clever like Japan and Singapore and now China...

    Sadly for the West, this has now led to the rise of 2 major powers, ironically.

    Three... India is coming too...

    And in Europe we see armies of foreign men being imported and raping the women and children of Europe, while their "enlightend" leaders either do nothing or outright assist in this madness.
    Could there be any clearer sign of westerm decline?

    A just response to 500 years of Europe sending its blonde haired blue eyed boys to the rest of the world to do the same...

    Or will Russia and China support whatever movement to finish the job once and for all.
    My money's on the latter.

    I don't think Russia wants the US and EU to turn into Albania, they don't want or need the western world to collapse in ruins, but for the countries of the west to grow a spine and act in their own interests rather than a collective mind mafia whose only drive is to protect the queen... in this case the very rich in the US seems to be the ones they want to protect and further enrich...

    People that wouldn't give those worker bees the time of day normally.


    My money is on a gay Stalin, but again, it will depend on what Russia and China do as well.
    It'll be a cold day in hell before some Christian nutter takes over, maybe in some states, but not the country in general.

    The core problem is that the media in the US is owned and controlled by the very rich, which gives them more power than the President... if they wanted to they could get anyone elected or impeached... and they could do it with no morals or qualms.

    Conversely a media with an investigative interest in the truth could dig out all sorts of secrets and for the first few years they would lose a lot of their reporters and management to apparent suicides, but such events could be investigated too which will expose who are really in power... I am sure if you shine a light on that you would see some interesting specimens who will hate exposure to the light...

    But people in the US don't care as long as they think they have it better than people in Russia, and if their news media is to be believed them Russians are suffering from western sanctions and things are really bad for a third world gas station who can no longer sell energy to the rich and powerful west... they are going to collapse any time now.... now... now... maybe we need harder sanctions on them...

    And they will build relations with Russia, China and others in order to do it, as part of a now fully multipolar world with no hegemon dictating things.

    When they realise their super soldiers and powerful military (HATO) can't operate for a week without running out of ammo, they might get less aggressive and think perhaps trading is the way to go forward, but I wouldn't bet on them ever being the nice people they pretend to be... thugs and thieves... Russia would be better to avoid them as much as possible for as long as possible... they were happy to send weapons to kill Russian soldiers and Russian civilians... they don't care... **** em.
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    Post  kvs Tue Mar 07, 2023 7:45 pm

    The US elites float on global creaming operations and US proles get trickle down. This era is coming to an end and this will be
    extremely painful for the US. The elites are going to have to dial down their avarice so that the masses can have a viable standard
    of living. The solution to this problem is not clear at all and in the meanwhile there will be economic collapse and strife. The "mercs"
    will become private armies of the US oligarchs as they try to keep themselves in power.

    Russia had private armies of the oligarchs in the 1990s. This included ex-KGB and whatnot. The main difference between Russia and
    the USA is that Russia did not have an entrenched parasite elite and the associated cultural features keeping it in place. The Russian
    oligarchs are upstarts and Russian society was not ready to submit to them. So by 2003 Putin had cracked the whip and their days
    of power grabbing were over. The appearance of Putin is a manifestation of the lack of total control by upstart oligarchs. The Russian
    public and diffuse government institutions (military, security services, etc.) exerted enough coherent action to keep power out of the
    hands of the Berezovsky's. The US is sock puppet theater from the oligarchy. The "deep state" is not any sort of non-private power
    structure. All those State Department bureaucrats are two bit whores for the private interests in the background. Nuland does not
    run the show. Her ideology is just marching orders. She does not tell her owners what to do.

    The expectation in the NATzO west was that the upstart Russian oligarchs and mafias would fully take over. This did not happen. By
    contrast, in Ukraine, they did take over and sold their country down the river.

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    Post  GarryB Tue Mar 07, 2023 7:52 pm

    Indeed, Chinas crime is the same as Russias crime... the leaders are not corrupt and controlled by their super rich to betray their country for money, so the US can't control them either with their unlimited printing press.

    Their problem is that when the printing press money becomes worthless then their power to bribe disappears and mercs don't work for people with no money to pay them... well unless you count the A team... and I don't mean America.

    Americas only chance for survival is to get someone elected that can't be bought and to cut everyone out of government that has been bought and replace them with people who actually care about America more than they care about their own personal wealth status.

    Perhaps a ban on anyone having more than 10 million dollars in cash or personal wealth might be a good start... redistribute that to the poor and you would solve a lot of problems.

    For the US the US dollar is going to collapse which means no imports because no one will accept their money, but internally that means imported stuff becomes expensive and domestic stuff is all you can buy would probably be good for the economy if Americans can adapt quickly enough to making their own stuff again...

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    Post  AlfaT8 Wed Mar 08, 2023 8:34 pm

    You know i have never believed in the "evil rich control the government" thing.
    It just never made sense to me, and its such a socialist view on the issue.

    Its just another way to say "down with the Bourgeoisie", whether you call them globalists or just "the elites", to me it just the same thing with a diffrent names.
    It looks to me like a way to destract away from the politicians, as to say that piliticians have no agency or intent and are simply puppets for the elite.
    Even though the one with the real power is the politician, why would the one with the real power be a puppet??
    Its like a noble kneeling down to a simple merchant, it makes no sense.

    I think a lot of the rich that do this are just paying the piper in order to do business.
    Pay me or i will mess with your taxes, luanch some antitrust nonsense at you or some other BS alegation.

    At the  end of the day, what is the final arbiter?
    Its not money.
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    I fukin' give up ... Laughing

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    Post  Hole Wed Mar 08, 2023 9:43 pm

    There is hope:

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    Post  ALAMO Wed Mar 08, 2023 9:44 pm

    They should as Russkie for this 14 legged squid, it should feed some people scratch

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    Post  GarryB Thu Mar 09, 2023 1:21 am

    You know i have never believed in the "evil rich control the government" thing.
    It just never made sense to me, and its such a socialist view on the issue.

    You can make a few million by being clever, coming up with an idea perhaps, but to become a billionaire you have to screw people over and be a manipulator.

    In the US if you don't have campaign funds you can't run for office and rich people don't donate money to their party for nothing... they want very specific returns for their investments and generally those investments buy them a seat at the table when drawing up laws in their area of business.

    They will call them consultants... experts in the field, but what they are really there for is to put loop holes they can sneak through to get an economic advantage over their rivals and get bigger and more powerful.

    Anti monopoly laws should have stopped one or two families in the US owning all the print and broadcast media... but they didn't... someone got big bribes for that, of course.

    Money is power and they use that power... to earn more money.

    I agree they likely could not care about the mundane aspects of governance and would only interfere where their interests are directly effected, and of course each politician will be in the debt or pocket of several rich people or companies... and of course there is the old boys club too... when Cheney left politics his company Haliburton still kept getting juicy government contracts to rebuild the countries they bomb... with the promise that when the people making the decisions on these juicy contracts can replace Cheney when he retires from his cushy job of wining and dining politicians to get contracts... the same way it works at the pentagon.

    The whole country runs on corruption.

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    Post  higurashihougi Thu Mar 09, 2023 5:11 am

    You know i have never believed in the "evil rich control the government" thing.
    It just never made sense to me, and its such a socialist view on the issue.

    The socialist view on the issue will see it in a dialectical way. It is the mutual relationship between the state and the rich.

    The state will keep the society order in favour of the rich, protect the privileges of the rich, the so-called "free market" which favour the rich over the workers, and use violence to crush everything that rebels against the system.

    Meanwhile the rich provide funds and money and other necessities to the state to keep the state operational.

    State is a semi-independent organization of violence whose function is keeping everything in order in a society where class conflict is inherent and its result, violence, is a constant threat. Except for the case of the dictatorship of the proletariat whose purpose is paving the way for the withering of itself, it is obvious to see that pre-socialist governments have been the allies of the oppressing classes whose desire is keeping an unequal society hierarchy which benefits someone at the expense of other, hence that system is unsustainable and require an organization of violence to maintain. And that organization of violence, strongly associated with privileges, of course desire the existence of itself at the expense of oppressed people.

    However such alliance relationship is not always equal and there is internal conflict between the partners-in-crime.

    In the case of "evil rich control the government", the rich control the income of the government as they are the ones who deliver most taxes. (The capitalist scholars tell us that capitalists pay taxes, but I use the word "deliver" here because taxes originated from surplus value extracted from the workers hence the workers are paying taxes but the capitalists control the flow of taxes, therefore the state is dependent on the capitalists.)

    Meanwhile in the case of state capitalism (Nazi Germany, Russia, European Welfare States), the government is the rich itself. The collective group of government magistrates own the capital instead of individual private capitalists, and therefore the government magistrates become the rich themselves, enjoy great privileges and benefits from directly controlling the distribution of surplus value extracted from workers.

    So the conflict between Libertarian capitalism and Welfare State is essentially the conflict between individual private capitalists and government magistrates over the ownership of capital and the control of surplus value.

    Similar to the conflict between Imperial Household and local landlords in feudal monarchies.
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    Post  flamming_python Sun Mar 12, 2023 2:04 am

    You know i have never believed in the "evil rich control the government" thing.
    It just never made sense to me, and its such a socialist view on the issue.

    Well. They do. How are you going to get the funding for your presidential campaign and from who?
    Only person who wasn't on the dole was Trump, and that was because he was an evil rich guy himself Razz

    How do you become a congressman or senator in the US? Or for that matter in Russia?

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    Post  franco Mon Mar 13, 2023 10:25 pm

    Just received my IISS 2023 World Military Balance and not sure how much longer Russian can continue to resist the superior western trained and equipped Ukrainian forces.

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    Post  flamming_python Tue Mar 14, 2023 1:44 am

    https://theprint.in/opinion/india-must-detach-from-russia-exports-it-or-education-its-interests-lie-with-the-west/1407305/

    India must detach from Russia. Exports, IT, or education, its interests lie with the West
    Young Indians' aspirations are tied to work and education in the West, not the China-Russia axis. Govt must weigh that in while considering its stance on the Ukraine war.
    Renuka Sane

    On 23 February, India once again abstained from voting on a United Nations resolution related to the Russia-Ukraine conflict. New Delhi has greatly expanded oil purchases from Russia, and, in effect, has helped Moscow finance its invasion at a time when Europe has sharply cut back on purchases. Foreign policy experts suggest that the Indian support for Russia is on account of two reasons — our long-term strategic relationship with Russia and the aim to reduce the extent to which Russia becomes bound to China. But by supporting Moscow, New Delhi is running the risk of being alienated by the West. What is the economic perspective that should be brought into this story?

    Economics and foreign policy

    State coercion limits engagement between individuals in two countries. Governments make such decisions based on a balance of economic interests and foreign policy. One arena where this plays out is visa diplomacy. Denial of visas is a lever of international relations and often used as a tool to influence actions by another State. Europe has often used relaxed travel conditions as a tool for readmission to the European Commission. The United Kingdom granted 3,000 visas for Indians in November 2022 after Prime Minister Narendra Modi met UK PM Rishi Sunak. Another important tool is trade agreements. Such deals have big consequences for developing countries because they can impact a nation’s economic growth. Trade agreements may sometimes be driven primarily by geopolitical and strategic reasons. An example is the 2015 Australia–Japan free trade agreement.

    In a globalised world, cooperation between countries extends to multiple arenas. An example is the recognition of central counterparties (CCPs) in financial markets that allow investors to invest and trade in financial assets. If these fail, then a country runs the risk of becoming less competitive for foreign investors. Another example of cooperation is the United States-India initiative on Critical and Emerging Technologies (iCET), which will form the basis for the framework for collaboration between the two countries in many respects. The energy, support, and prioritisation for all these initiatives on the part of the two governments are shaped by their security environment. This has major implications for people living in both countries.

    India’s interest lies with the West

    In FY22, India’s total exports amounted to $422 billion. Of these, 24 per cent were to the Americas, while 21 per cent were to Europe — almost half of India’s total exports, therefore, were tied to the West. In the same year, the share of Russia was 0.7 per cent while that of China was 5 per cent. Services exports is where India shines — they are now bigger than goods exports. Indian services exports go almost entirely to the West; with Russia and China, they are negligible. Information Technology is now India’s biggest industry, and the future of the Indian economy is tied to success in this sector. For further doubling of services exports, support and cooperation from Western governments is important.

    Western universities are key destinations for Indian students. According to the Ministry of External Affairs, a total of 11,33,749 students went overseas in 2021. Of these, 51 per cent went to Australia, Canada, the UK and US; 2 per cent went to China and 1.4 per cent to Russia. In 2022, Indian students received more US visas than students in any other country. The aspirations of young Indians are tied with the West and not the Russia-China axis.

    Work visas are important for Indian IT giants such as Wipro, TCS, and Infosys to be able to service Western markets. The decision of the Donald Trump administration to temporarily suspend the issuance of H-1B visas in 2020 had caused much anxiety for the Indian IT sector. The current lay-offs in the tech sector in the US have brought together technology professionals associations to influence policymakers and decision-makers at US Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS). India’s approach to the Ukraine war will shape the extent to which Western governments choose to support India’s services exports growth targets.

    Firms are as important as governments in making material decisions — they run the global production system. The decisions of the board of directors of the top 1,000 global companies impact India’s future in a major way. If global firms want to exit China on the grounds that it is an authoritarian country hostile to the West, then it is in India’s interest to look ‘un-China’ in the eyes of the world. Our equation and policies vis-a-vis Russia may shape the attitude of these global corporate players.

    Foreign policy is a balancing act. Multiple considerations go into arriving at a country’s position — India must do the same with regard to the Ukraine-Russia conflict. Most of us in India think that this is not our fight or that our current stance will not cost us. But India’s economic interests lie with the West, and the latter is extremely worried about Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.

    Renuka Sane is research director at Trustbridge, which works on improving the rule of law for better economic outcomes for India. Views are personal.

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