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    2022 Kazakhstan violent unrest

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    Post  nomadski 10/01/22, 02:57 pm

    @ Flaming python

    ".......The talks between Erdogan and Putin around 1st-2nd of January which were described as agreeing to 'reboot ties' do suggest that some deals were made over Central Asia.Also the Turkish FM and Lavrov talks about the events in Kazakhstan, on which there was no disagreement.Nazarbayev has accumulated a National Fund that's equivalent in size to about 2/5ths of Kazakhstan's economyQuite possible that Tokayev will release some of that money to Erdogan to help him out with his self-inflicted inflation problems, if it turns out that the Turks did indeed provide some helpful intelligence or gave up their assets in advance......"

    well if the Turkish intelligence was not involved , then it makes sense to have good relations . Turkey , same as all other countries has legitimate interests in the region . But if they were involved , then helping them ( the security state in Turkey ) is rewarding bad behaviour . Same as any outside player , who may have had a part in this .  If as you say , Kazakhstan has reserves , then surely it is more important now to spend on reconstruction and development inside own country .

    Good to see Russia say , they will withdraw forces once mission complete . It seems to me that the Russians brought a sledge hammer to crack a very small nut . Even if it is said that , this was an international nut . The lessons for me on advantages of such operation were ; critical infrastructure protected by rapid reaction against foreign insurgents attacks . The disadvantage was ; getting drawn into domestic politics by mission creep .

    So in the future , greater guidelines and practical measures for CSTO to demarcate own forces from local forces . And deployment of smaller and less visible units to counter foreign insurgents .


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    Post  AZ-5 10/01/22, 03:01 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:m.haqqin.az/news/231156

    This article from Haqqin (time) is an example of the turkish, basically crapping themselves because the great turan has died with il 76 landing all over it.


    Translation: The chairman of the Turan party, Jahandar Bayoglu, called for the removal of all pro-Russian officials from power in Azerbaijan. According to him, the country should take this step in order to protect itself from external influences. The politician stressed that it is necessary to take control and remove from the leadership of all pro-Russian officials, deputies and heads of public organizations. The party chairman called on the head of state to dissolve the Milli Mejlis and start new socio-economic reforms. Bayoglu believes that if the country's leadership does not take these decisive steps, then the events that are taking place in Kazakhstan may repeat in Azerbaijan. He added that pro-Russian forces have infiltrated the structures of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the State Security Service and the Ministry of Defense. The politician also called for the completion of the transition of the Azerbaijani army to the model of the Turkish army as soon as possible.

    😂😂😂😂😂

    The turks are reeling from this, The great Turan went poof 2 days ago

    Iliev is crawling back to Moscow, he cant let pashinyan rub Putins back this much

    More color revolutions please!

    Turanists.. doesn't more delusional than that I'm afraid.
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    Post  JohninMK 10/01/22, 06:05 pm

    nomadski wrote: It seems to me that the Russians brought a sledge hammer to crack a very small nut . Even if it is said that , this was an international nut . The lessons for me on advantages of such operation were ; critical infrastructure protected by rapid reaction against foreign insurgents  attacks . The disadvantage was ; getting drawn into domestic politics by mission creep .
    You fail to mention the most important aspect for Russia after stopping the coup, the intended strategic impact and the timing.

    The Russians reacted for the first time in the very public, in terms of PR coverage, way they did to make a very significant point to the rest of the World, but particularly the US/NATO defence establishments, about the current capabilities of the Russian Military. Giving themselves a status boost ahead of this weeks meetings.

    It is possible that in the bowels of MoD buildings all round the World comments were uttered along the lines of ' we couldn't have done that'. This operation has changed perceptions about military balance.

    It seems to be clear that there are Islamists still fighting to the death. It could go on for a while but at least the local forces no longer have to worry about the more mundane activities of asset protection and have pretty immediate access to specialist forces hardened in Syria.

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    Post  nomadski 10/01/22, 06:31 pm

    You could be right of course , about the Bear showing it's Claws and Fangs , now and again . The least benefit , was that it was good exercise . A CSTO rapid reaction force . The kazakhs asked for a permanent base in Baikanour . I think this idea is good , if it is small and not obvious . And I think if they decide to have a permanent base that it's location should be secret , or known only to a few , so as not to be a target . This is perfectly possible , if the force is small , say 200 to 400 . Divided into a force of 50 , in four locations around troubled areas .  In this way , special troops do not have to travel on a plane for 4 hours to get into troubled areas . They are virtually next door . And local population , do not even sense their presence , or get too upset about " invasion" by giant planes . I think given the actual or potential numbers of foreign insurgents , that this low key approach is best . Since , as you said , this problem could be On going . Once special forces deployed though , just make sure , they are identified easily as CSTO . With very specific rules of engagement . To gain confidence of population .
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    Post  miketheterrible 10/01/22, 06:51 pm

    Since it's Almaty that is the battleground, and the islamists are secluded at that, it is only matter of time theh are dealt with. So counter terrorism operation may last a while there but rest of Kazakhstan will probably return to normal soon.

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    Post  Sujoy 10/01/22, 07:49 pm

    Turkey could well be behind these recent spade of terrorist attacks in Kazaksthan because Turkey Youth Foundation (TUGVA) which is run by the family of Prez Erdogan is recruiting & training youths for “covert” missions in India and Russia.

    Islamil Emanet, head of TUGVA & Bilal E. (Erdogan's son) are brains behind the foundation’s ops

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    Post  JohninMK 10/01/22, 08:04 pm

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    Post  AZ-5 10/01/22, 09:22 pm

    What??? What a Face

    Kazakhstan denies military laboratory was seized by rioters

    After Russia claimed a possible pathogen leak occurred at controversial facility, as country's health ministry says more than 160 have been killed during protests in the country. The US-funded laboratory was reported to have fallen into protestors' hands. However, officials have denied the claims, saying the biological lab is secure. At the secretive bio-lab, the outbreak of potentially deadly diseases is studied. Russian state media highlighted claims that a pathogen had escaped at the lab. There have been over 160 reported deaths since protests broke out last week.

    dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10384151/Kazakhstan-denies-funded-bio-lab-seized-protesters-deaths-rise-164-bloody-riots.html
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    Post  JohninMK 10/01/22, 09:52 pm

    AZ-5 wrote:What??? What a Face

    Kazakhstan denies military laboratory was seized by rioters

    After Russia claimed a possible pathogen leak occurred at controversial facility, as country's health ministry says more than 160 have been killed during protests in the country. The US-funded laboratory was reported to have fallen into protestors' hands. However, officials have denied the claims, saying the biological lab is secure. At the secretive bio-lab, the outbreak of potentially deadly diseases is studied. Russian state media highlighted claims that a pathogen had escaped at the lab. There have been over 160 reported deaths since protests broke out last week.

    dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10384151/Kazakhstan-denies-funded-bio-lab-seized-protesters-deaths-rise-164-bloody-riots.html
    Its one of those conspiracy theories that seem to turn into conspiracy facts that there are US funded bio labs spread widely through the ex Soviet countries that were set up when advanced viral and bio research was banned in the US, as we now know Fauci did in Wuhan.

    The Kazakh one may be one of the most advanced. If so it is surprising that it is still standing, a testament for the speed and impact of the incoming Russian forces. What they found could well be a significant lever on the US. Or it might be an urban myth, we are unlikely to ever know which unless the US plays silly buggers.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon 10/01/22, 09:59 pm

    "Hunter Biden described Kazakhstan Prime Minister Karim Massimov (pictured) as a “close friend.”

    https://t.co/GhUUcyGANj

    Karim Massimov. As in, KZ ex-chief of intelligence whom was arrested for treason just a day ago.

    Thick plottens lol.

    https://twitter.com/gunner_schmulke/status/1480333810252365824

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    Post  AZ-5 10/01/22, 09:59 pm

    War Noir Snowman @war_noir
    Kazakhstan: Several alleged Tablighi Jamaat members were arrested in #Almaty (#Алматы). AKS-74, Saiga(-410K) shotgun, two Zarya-3 flash bang grenades, RGK-60KD combined effect cluster hand grenades, various shotguns, a HK SL8 rifle, passports etc.. were seized.

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    VIDEO: twitter.com/war_noir/status/1480517475099975683

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    Post  Sujoy 10/01/22, 10:24 pm

    This is extremely unsettling that the U.S government is financing bio labs in Kazaksthan (and perhaps in other parts of the world).

    Already they are the ones behind COVID-19.

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    Post  par far 10/01/22, 10:26 pm

    AZ-5 wrote:
    War Noir Snowman @war_noir
    Kazakhstan: Several alleged Tablighi Jamaat members were arrested in #Almaty (#Алматы). AKS-74, Saiga(-410K) shotgun, two Zarya-3 flash bang grenades, RGK-60KD combined effect cluster hand grenades, various shotguns, a HK SL8 rifle, passports etc.. were seized.

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    VIDEO: twitter.com/war_noir/status/1480517475099975683


    That one cocksucker had an Indian tourist Visa, of terrorists are getting Indian visas, than India is in for a shock.

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    Post  Hole 11/01/22, 12:26 am

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    Post  Krepost 11/01/22, 12:30 am

    ORLAN-10. Exactly what I wanted to see in Kazakhstan.
    Excellent way to monitor the situation.

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    Post  kvs 11/01/22, 12:51 am



    The colour coup attempt was transparent but f*cked up partly because the timeline was progressing too fast
    and Tokaev did not act like Yanukovich.   The so-called "democracy protestors" consisting of "ordinary people"
    quickly moved to vandalized WWII memorials (in particular the Pamfilov memorial).   Funny how a protest over
    LPG goes to historical revisionism.  Also, Tokaev froze LPG prices so the alleged pretext for the demonstrations
    went away, but they were not about LPG prices, that was just a trigger for the regime change operation.

    None of the US and British assets in Kazakhastan was damaged.  This includes cars and windows.

    It is also clear that the coup was also a palace coup attempt.   Nazarbaev was associated with all sorts of
    vermin and promoted criminals from the USSR period (e.g. one scumbag who committed murder in 1986)
    into "national heroes" naming streets and schools after them.   Nazarbaev knew about the training militants
    on Kazakh soil but the security forces he controlled ignored them.   These were being prepared for a pro
    NATzO coup where Nazarbaev would come back to power in full force.  

    Tokaev started to clean house in the summer of 2021.  So the game was on.

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    Post  par far 11/01/22, 02:24 am


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    Post  flamming_python 11/01/22, 04:10 am

    This guy pretty much predicted everything back in 2020, when the pogrom against the village of Kaskabulak took place
    In Russian only unfortunately. Starts at 1:46.

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    Post  Big_Gazza 11/01/22, 04:37 am

    par far wrote:

    So the Russia-led "NATO" equivalent (CSTO) does exactly what its official brief states? That puts NATO to complete shame, who have devolved into a US-controlled mercenary group used as Imperial Auxiliaries for murkas foreign wars of aggression.

    Gratz to Putin and Russia, and of course to Kazakh president Tokayev. This is exactly how mutual-defense organisations are supposed to operate. thumbsup

    Maybe its CSTO that needs to "expand without limit" to all nations that want membership? Razz

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    Post  George1 11/01/22, 07:51 am

    "A well-organised and well-prepared act of aggression against Kazakhstan with the participation of foreign fighters mainly from Central Asian countries, including Afghanistan. There were also fighters from the Middle East. The idea was to form a zone of controlled chaos on our territory with the subsequent seizure of power. Therefore, an anti-terrorist operation was launched in Kazakhstan," Tokayev said."
    https://sputniknews.com/20220110/foreign-militants-from-afghanistan-mideast-countries-took-part-in-kazakhstan-riots-tokayev-says-1092159620.html

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    Post  flamming_python 11/01/22, 10:05 am

    Major butthurt and depression among the panturk Twitter and Youtube space

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    Post  miketheterrible 11/01/22, 10:39 am

    They are mad that their guys got fucking owned.

    I'm starting to think turkey was directly involved and they decided to jump other direction when their men got wasted. Trying to make it sound like it wasn't their idea at all.

    Fucking turkroaches.

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    Post  mnrck 11/01/22, 01:55 pm

    Mission of CSTO Peacekeepers in Kazakhstan Completed, Withdrawal Will Begin in 2 Days, Tokayev Says
    https://sputniknews.com/20220111/mission-of-csto-peacekeepers-in-kazakhstan-completed-withdrawal-will-begin-in-2-days--tokayev-says-1092170779.html

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    Post  ALAMO 11/01/22, 02:13 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:They are mad that their guys got fucking owned.
    I'm starting to think turkey was directly involved and they decided to jump other direction when their men got wasted.  Trying to make it sound like it wasn't their idea at all.
    Fucking turkroaches.

    But you realize that this guy is no one? He can proclaim himself an emperor of planet Earth.

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