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    Post  kvs Wed Dec 07, 2022 3:54 am

    It should be clear by now that climate change is being used as a pretext to install totalitarianism. The problem is that
    the sheeple are too dumb to see the obvious. They think that since it was OK before it will be OK in the future. This
    can be called the steady state fallacy. If reality were steady state, then nothing would exist.

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    Post  higurashihougi Thu Dec 08, 2022 7:33 am

    "Democracy" and "human rights" in the United Kingdom.

    https://www.rt.com/news/567867-sunak-tough-labor-laws/

    British PM vows crackdown on unions

    The prime minister’s comments came just one day after the Unite, Unison and GMB unions – which represent ambulance workers, paramedics, call handlers and emergency care assistants – said they would launch coordinated strikes involving more than 10,000 employees on December 21 and 28. A number of other walkouts are scheduled in the coming weeks, including a strike by up to 100,000 nurses, as well as actions by railway, mail, bus and education workers across the UK.

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    Post  ALAMO Thu Dec 08, 2022 7:52 am

    Oh, so a call to step down from demands by the nursing staff not to help Putin didn't work? Laughing Laughing

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    Post  Sujoy Sat Dec 17, 2022 11:25 am

    Moroccan football supporters go on a rampage in France after Morocco lost to France. Why does France/Europe even import these scum?

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    Post  flamming_python Sat Dec 17, 2022 11:44 am

    It's funny how we see riots instead of celebrations in French cities when they win at the World Cup clown

    Anyway, now that the entire West is attempting to collapse Russia, including amateur and hamfisted attempts by them at sponsoring ethnic separatism in the country - then what are the prospects like for Russia funding a Taliban insurgency in Europe? Twisted Evil
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    Post  ALAMO Sat Dec 17, 2022 12:07 pm

    New post Sujoy Today at 11:25 am
    Moroccan football supporters go on a rampage in France after Morocco lost to France. Why does France/Europe even import these scum?


    The same reason why UK "imports" Hindu, Pakistani, etc - is a colonial heritage.
    Marocco was a French protectorate since 1912 but was conquered even earlier. Moroccans could just go to France as part of the empire. The same applies to a big part of Africa in general.
    So in reality the funny part is what F_P said - those are people who are 3rd generation of the Maroccan population that relocated to the metropolis voluntarily. Yet they radicalized instead of becoming French. This is how Multikulti works in reality - not at all.

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    Post  Sujoy Sat Dec 17, 2022 3:53 pm

    ALAMO wrote:The same reason why UK "imports" Hindu, Pakistani, etc - is a colonial heritage.
    Marocco was a French protectorate since 1912 but was conquered even earlier. Moroccans could just go to France as part of the empire. The same applies to a big part of Africa in general.
    So in reality the funny part is what F_P said - those are people who are 3rd generation of the Maroccan population that relocated to the metropolis voluntarily. Yet they radicalized instead of becoming French. This is how Multikulti works in reality - not at all.
    U.K doesn't import Hindus. That stopped after slavery was discontinued in UK. In fact these days its quite the opposite - the entry of Hindus in the U.K is actively discouraged. While the U.K government regularly scouts for students from India who are encouraged to study in UK it's only because foreign students help them to subsidize education for locals. They are forced to leave once their education is over.

    More importantly, Hindus do not go on a rampage in UK no matter what the trigger maybe. And certainly not when India loses to England in a sporting arena.

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    Post  ALAMO Sat Dec 17, 2022 5:53 pm

    You have used the "import" phrase. Really no need to feel offended.
    Mechanism was just the same for your guys and the Africans there.
    The point was that they used to be just citizens of an empire that could travel and relocate.
    Yours/theirs did.
    Yours carry themselves much much better, everywhere.
    Theirs don't.
    Maybe that is why you fly outer space, while they don't.
    I won't search for the reasons because that does not bother me at all.
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    Post  jhelb Sat Dec 17, 2022 7:12 pm

    Hindus have no capability to do anything good. They have no righteousness, no moral fabric. They simmer in mediocrity, and drift in a valueless ocean. But with an IQ of just 80 this is on expected lines.
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    Post  ALAMO Sat Dec 17, 2022 7:17 pm

    @Garry/George, is racism tolerated here? scratch
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    Post  GarryB Sun Dec 18, 2022 4:40 am

    He is free to be wrong...

    If I start banning people for racism where do I draw the line, I think it is better to let members post what they think, because then they don't hide their views and you can know who is what.

    BTW correct me if I am wrong but Hindu is a religion and not a race anyway... for all we know and the information he has shared (ie Hindus have an IQ of 80)... perhaps he is Hindu... most of his contributions to this forum suggest that.

    Back on topic:
    I find it interesting that when Moroccans go on rampages over Soccer games it is their race that is the problem and not the game itself.

    Have never seen fans of Rugby or Netball or Tennis go on rampages after their team lost... why does no one ever talk about that?

    And I am sure this is not all one way traffic... you can bet the French fans were fanning the flames to upset the Moroccans, but that will be ignored of course...

    After Europe flooding the world with their immigrants it is nice to see that goes both ways... Europe has too much inbreeding it seems... they need a big more fight... a bit more self determination or they will be sucking up to the US forever.
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Sun Dec 18, 2022 11:42 am

    Really off topic, but the mainly problem with India is the "cast" and social class system.

    Even now this is a huge issue: most of the smart and educated people in India absolutely refuse to do any job that requires the use of their hands for anything different than holding a pen, or using a computer. The only exception are medical doctors, but it is because it is a prestigious and difficult profession.

    That means that for many blue collar jobs that require smart people and long apprenticeship it is difficult to find good candidates or good experienced workers (as most will have experience but that does not translate in being good).

    Unfortunately even today there is a stigma in India associated with blue collar jobs.

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    Post  Hole Sun Dec 18, 2022 11:55 am

    To be fair you see similar scenes nearly each year in the US after the NBA or NFL or whatever championship is decided, commited by
    people of all colours. A few years ago in LA they burned buses to "celebrate" the victory of their team!

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    Post  Sujoy Sun Dec 18, 2022 12:06 pm

    GarryB wrote:BTW correct me if I am wrong but Hindu is a religion and not a race anyway.
    Hindus are a race of people just like Slavs are a race. Hinduism is not a religion, there is no book, no papacy, no systematically associated values or commandments. Only western invaders like Brits labelled it as a religion.

    The beliefs of Hinduism are influenced by the local, regional, caste, or community-driven practices. Yet many beliefs can be common in all variations, these are the core beliefs.

    The word Hindu itself doesn't find a place in any Sanskrit text. Arab invaders came across a river called Sindhu, misspelled it as Hindu and that's how the name came into circulation.

    White supremacist like jhelb will be devastated to learn that a popular theory is that "Hindus" themselves came to India from parts of modern day central Russia.

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    Post  jhelb Sun Dec 18, 2022 8:45 pm

    GarryB as usual, knows nothing about Russian society.

    These hindus are known as gypsies in Russia. Gypsies in Russia are beyond competition in terms of the number of crimes committed per thousand people. There is no crime that they do not commit.

    Ethnic Russians hate these gypsies.

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    Post  Odin of Ossetia Mon Dec 19, 2022 12:46 am




    The problem with Gypsies is that majority of their entire population are criminals.

    Among almost all nationalities criminals are a minority, but among Gypsies they are majority of their population.

    This is not racism, only facts.

    That is why they are universally disliked.

    Gypsies who are not criminals are only a small minority.


    With regard to the Asian Indians, their only major achievement is the nuclear power capability of India and Pakistan. Besides this there is not much historically they have achieved in the political sphere. They have been repeatedly conquered by much less numerous invaders, despite the fact that the Asian Indians were not very backward technologically.

    Look at the Red Fort in Delhi, it is not primitive, but it failed to defend India from the British invaders. The Asian Indians had some interesting weapons, but were unable to effectively use them to defend themselves from the British and other invaders; they had gunpowder, guns, and even artillery, but it still did not help.

    The "martial races" they had were used by the British as expandable pawns.



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    Post  GarryB Mon Dec 19, 2022 2:23 am

    If I was banning for racism... do I ignore this:

    Sujoy wrote:Moroccan football supporters go on a rampage in France after Morocco lost to France. Why does France/Europe even import these scum?


    France has riots and civil disobedience problems with or without soccer results... and it is not related to Moroccan soccer supporters.

    More importantly, Hindus do not go on a rampage in UK no matter what the trigger maybe. And certainly not when India loses to England in a sporting arena.

    So we agree that Soccer is the problem?

    Really off topic, but the mainly problem with India is the "cast" and social class system.

    Social class systems are a problem everywhere, but of course those high up on the social ladder will claim it is the social structure that keeps society together and functioning... but they would wouldn't they...

    The beliefs of Hinduism are influenced by the local, regional, caste, or community-driven practices. Yet many beliefs can be common in all variations, these are the core beliefs.

    To be an ism it has to be a religion because races don't have a belief system.

    White supremacist like jhelb will be devastated to learn that a popular theory is that "Hindus" themselves came to India from parts of modern day central Russia.

    Where people came from seems to have more to do with religion that fact... the people investigating origins always seem to have an agenda... like the Israelis and the Jews being an ethnicity and a religion... it all sounds rather contrived to me.

    These hindus are known as gypsies in Russia. Gypsies in Russia are beyond competition in terms of the number of crimes committed per thousand people. There is no crime that they do not commit.

    Ethnic Russians hate these gypsies

    We we have no gypsies here in New Zealand, but let me ask, are they hated because of their reputation for being thieves and criminals, or because of their skin colour and ethnicity?

    If a white person robs me can I hate all white people?

    Takes a lot of energy to hate people... gives you ulcers... not good for your health.

    I personally reserve hate for very special groups that are evil... but you do what you like.

    The problem with Gypsies is that majority of their entire population are criminals.

    It that because of their culture or because they were treated badly by the locals and so they don't see them as human beings... would make them rather easier to steal from I would expect.

    Most western government officials either partake in corruption or turn a blind eye to it.... to the point that the very few who stand up, like Manning and Snowden and even Assange get publicly flogged for revealing corruption and criminal activity in the west and nobody seems to care.

    Look at the Red Fort in Delhi, it is not primitive, but it failed to defend India from the British invaders. The Asian Indians had some interesting weapons, but were unable to effectively use them to defend themselves from the British and other invaders; they had gunpowder, guns, and even artillery, but it still did not help.

    Give credit where credit is due white european colonial powers were total bastards and a brutal nasty bunch who used violence or the rule of law to get what they wanted... when they couldn't defeat the enemy on the battlefield they made a fake peace and stole land and resources using their laws instead.

    Just like in the Ukraine today when you kill their pawns... they just send more pawns...

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    Post  Sujoy Mon Dec 19, 2022 9:01 am

    GarryB wrote:If I was banning for racism... do I ignore this:

    Sujoy wrote:
    Moroccan football supporters go on a rampage in France after Morocco lost to France. Why does France/Europe even import these scum?

    France has riots and civil disobedience problems with or without soccer results... and it is not related to Moroccan soccer supporters.
    Disapproving random acts of violence is not racism. Besides didn't realize the words Morocco and France are racist.

    Thousands of Indian students study in Russia, Ukraine and France. India has never won a single football match against Russia/Soviet Union or France. Not a single Indian went around destroying public property in Moscow, Kiev or Paris.

    GarryB wrote:To be an ism it has to be a religion because races don't have a belief system.
    There is no Hinduism. It's an english coinage, perhaps because they tried to equate local practices with Abrahamic religions.
    Odin of Ossetia wrote:
    Look at the Red Fort in Delhi, it is not primitive, but it failed to defend India from the British invaders.
    What has Red Fort got to do with preventing invasion?

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    Post  Scorpius Mon Dec 19, 2022 10:06 am

    jhelb wrote:Ethnic Russians hate these gypsies
    I am an ethnic Russian, and I DON'T hate Gypsies. So your statement is at least an exaggeration.
    The main problem of Gypsies is that they have a very large percentage of crime in their ranks. Especially in the nineties - many small drug dealers were Gypsies. They also often engage in street fraud, extortion and theft.

    That is why Gypsies have a bad reputation among the Russian population - because of their involvement in street crime. At the same time, no one cares about race. No one will hate law-abiding Gypsies because of their ethnicity. Similarly, for example, the negative attitude towards migrants from Central Asia is not due to racism, but to the fact that in Moscow up to 90% of street crime and 70% of rapes are committed by migrants from Central Asia.
    In Russia, you are primarily treated by your behavior, not by the color of your skin or the cut of your eyes.

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    Post  GarryB Mon Dec 19, 2022 11:48 am

    New Zealand has gone full police state🧐
    Anyone with a different POV is an enemy.

    What a nothing story... I have never seen that release and I don't need to be reading pamphlets from the government to work out that a cock sucker nut bag that wants to send a message by going and murdering a group of people needs to be dealt with by the police or other government agencies.

    They are not talking about KVS type people who are hard core anti Covid vaccine, they are talking about ISIS sympathisers or nutters like that Australian import that shot all those people in Christchurch... the sort of people I would dob in in a heartbeat...

    Even a hard core pro Russian or pro Putin person who wanted to shift western media by planting bombs or shooting people I would dob in too... if you want to murder people to get attention... start with yourself to show you really mean it.

    Disapproving random acts of violence is not racism. Besides didn't realize the words Morocco and France are racist.

    Morocco has been a French colony for quite some time... France has regular problems over Soccer game results both domestic and international... are all Moroccan soccer supporters scum that should be deported?

    Thousands of Indian students study in Russia, Ukraine and France. India has never won a single football match against Russia/Soviet Union or France. Not a single Indian went around destroying public property in Moscow, Kiev or Paris.

    That is beside the point.
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    Post  higurashihougi Mon Dec 19, 2022 2:28 pm

    That is why Gypsies have a bad reputation among the Russian population - because of their involvement in street crime. At the same time, no one cares about race. No one will hate law-abiding Gypsies because of their ethnicity. Similarly, for example, the negative attitude towards migrants from Central Asia is not due to racism, but to the fact that in Moscow up to 90% of street crime and 70% of rapes are committed by migrants from Central Asia.

    Question Idea Off-topic question: is there any researches about the reason behind the high crime rate and other social issues amongst the minor ethnic groups in Russia ? Does people propose or employ some policies to mitigate these issues ?

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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Mon Dec 19, 2022 2:31 pm

    scorpius wrote:I am an ethnic Russian, and I DON'T hate Gypsies. So your statement is at least an exaggeration.
    The main problem of Gypsies is that they have a very large percentage of crime in their ranks. Especially in the nineties - many small drug dealers were Gypsies. They also often engage in street fraud, extortion and theft.

    That is why Gypsies have a bad reputation among the Russian population - because of their involvement in street crime. At the same time, no one cares about race. No one will hate law-abiding Gypsies because of their ethnicity.

    I am really annoyed by Gypsies in Italy (usually called "zingari" , but now the term is not accepted because of politically correct mantra).

    Since many of those came from the territory of Romania, also many Romanians are having bad reputation (even if they are completely different people). Off topic: This has also to do with the presence in Italy of many Romanian criminals, also because Italy is a paradise for criminals, who are often at large even after being known to the police and being arrested and then almost immediately released many times.

    Anyway, the problem with Gypsies in Italy is that most of them live above the law, they do not pay taxes and many of them they commit regularly petty crimes and exploit their children for begging (and sometimes also for stealing).
    Furthermore a minority of them have been also involved in kidnapping of children.

    On top of this even a large part of  those less involved in violent crimea live either in makeshift camps or in occupied buildings without the permission of the owners.

    There are even cases (even in my hometown) of Gypsies that occupied the house of elder citizens while they were in the hospital (and those people could not get back in their houses).

    A part of the problem is also due to stupidity of Italian laws and the passivity of police forces (if someone occupy your house,  the police does not do anything, and you still have to pay taxes and bills).

    Furthermore those living in illegal makeshift camps or in occupied buildings are often getting water amd electricity connections for free by the state (even if they never paid taxes).

    So you can understand why they are not well tollerated.

    This is a problem with also Italian mentality: there are some crazy extremists that want to kill them, and that is absolutely wrong, but it is also wrong to allow them everything.  They should  be forced to respect the laws and pay taxes and bills or be expelled from the country

    But if you talk about this in Italy you are considered a fascist
    I cannot imagine that this behaviour from a guest population would be accepted in Russia

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    Post  kvs Mon Dec 19, 2022 5:56 pm

    The "Tsigani" ("Roma") are an example of a petty-crime culture. They still retain the characteristics of a wandering tribe and
    do not assimilate into the countries where they live even if it has been centuries. Their survival approach involves not respecting
    the laws of these countries up to a limit. Of course, there is the individual aspect to any criminal, but in this case we have "enablement"
    by their ethnic group.

    US blacks don't quite have this cultural feature but it is a related problem. The group mentality and dissociation from the society in which
    they live enables criminal behaviour. As with demands for reparations for slavery, the past wrongs or whatever, are not relevant for the "victims" of today
    since they are not victims. It is their disdain for the society of their country that brings them problems. If you can't be bothered to get educated
    and find a good job, then don't bitch and whine about racism and discrimination. In the case of US blacks, the biggest victims of this group
    pathology are the black communities themselves. I posted a while ago about this, but Chris Rock has a special you can find on YouTube that
    makes fun of how educated blacks are discriminated against by other blacks. It is seen as selling out to "the man" to want to play by the rules.
    The Roma have similar mindset which keeps their culture alive.

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