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    Decline of the western society #2

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    Post  higurashihougi Thu Nov 16, 2023 6:03 am

    Everything bad in the universe is because of Putin.  Laughing  Laughing  Laughing  Laughing  Laughing

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    Post  lancelot Thu Nov 16, 2023 6:24 am

    They could have amended the Treaty on Conventional Armed Forces in Europe and made a pledge not to accept Ukraine and Georgia in NATO back in 2007 when Putin asked for it at the Munich Conference. But they decided to be in a confrontation with Russia, not satisfied with having made coups in Ukraine and Georgia, they armed Georgia and goaded them to annex Ossetia. With predictable results. And then they decided to do a repeat of this in Ukraine. The current situation in Armenia also shows they still haven't learned anything.

    The more they push, the more Russia resists and arms itself.

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    Post  Arrow Thu Nov 16, 2023 9:43 am

    Russia's current armaments will be spent on 1 million contract soldiers, not on equipment. The number of new planes and ships will still be very small. Russia is unable to compete with the USA and China.
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    Post  lancelot Thu Nov 16, 2023 3:35 pm

    That is simply not true. Russia is vastly expanding its production capabilities. They already built a new factory for Almaz-Antey to make air defense systems, one factory for the ZALA Lancet, with two more in progress, etc.

    These factories will still be around as assets after the conflict stops. And this conflict is a great way to shakedown which weapon systems are effective and not. Even better than the conflict with Syria, since this is much closer to how a full blown conflict against NATO would be. In Syria they already developed the ZALA Lancet, but there the Su-34 could operate without impediment, and this meant stealthy attack and reconaissance drones took a backseat in development. Now I would expect investment in stealthy attack and reconnaissance drones to baloon.

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    Post  Arrow Thu Nov 16, 2023 11:06 pm

    That is simply not true. Russia is vastly expanding its production capabilities. They already built a new factory for Almaz-Antey to make air defense systems, one factory for the ZALA Lancet, with two more in progress, etc. wrote:

    Of course, they will increase production of many systems. Tanks, artillery, etc. However, in aviation, for example, nothing will change, in the navy it will be obvious. A significant part of the funds will go to maintaining the over 1 million land army under contract. There is no comparison to the spending of China or the USA, although of course these are much larger economies.
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    Post  GarryB Fri Nov 17, 2023 10:15 am

    I would say this SMO confirms that the vast majority of Russian weapons systems and equipment is excellent and effective, but in many cases there is room for improvements and changes in tactic in how things are used and organised.

    They continue to get excellent bang for their buck and taking on lots of new soldiers is not going to weaken them or blunt their growth.

    The numbers of aircraft has not increased exponentially, but their vast array of air to ground weapons have been proven on an international stage to be accurate and effective and so I will expect export sales for air defence and air delivered weapons will massively increase, not to mention demand for their drones will be peaked too.

    They are certainly going to develop their navy simply because their entire economy has shifted... all their trade with the rest of the world used to go through the west, whether it is shipped on western ships, and insured by western insurance companies, the bulk of their trade actually went to Europe where their cheap energy and raw materials powered the EU economy and created products they sold back to Russia and around the world at top dollar making nice profits considering how cheap they got things.

    They used Russia the way they used African countries... the poor black boy in the diamond mine 16 hours a day getting paid 50c a day if he is lucky finds a fist sized diamond and takes it to his boss... the owner of the mine who gives him maybe $50 and is told to get back down that mine and find some more. The rich europeans who actually control the mine arrives when he hears of the find and take that diamond and the other diamonds they have found and maybe gives the mine owner $20K, and then takes those diamonds to Europe to a diamond cutter and pays that diamond cutter 3-4 million dollars to cut that diamond because diamond cutters know how much diamonds are worth, so after spending maybe 3 million dollars plus the $20K to the mine owner, that white rich european prick gets a diamond maybe worth 20-30 million dollars. He might visit 20 mines on his trip and most of the time the diamonds are much smaller but he always makes big money when something is found and you can bet your arse the guys in the mines finding diamonds don't have flash cars in their garages... and that same prick who buys cheap wood and cheap gas and cheap everything from Russia is not afraid to bring the final product... flash paper or a new BMW and charge Russians top dollar to buy their products they couldn't make if it wasn't for the cheap energy and materials they get from Russia.

    Well the worms are turning... Russia has said enough, China has said enough, Africa is saying enough, even the Palestinians are saying enough... how long before central and south america and Asia do the same...

    But all this has nothing to do with how many planes and ships Russia buys over the next few years.

    @ lancelot, they wouldn't even amend the CFE treaty to allow for Russian peacekeepers in South Ossetia or Nagorno Karabach or transnetria (spelling), or to compensate for the fact that the CFE treaty was a treaty between HATO and the Warsaw Pact and most of the sides have changed sides and all joined HATO but the number allocations were not changed.

    Personally I think the separation of Russia from the west and Europe is the best thing that could happen to Russia, but Europe is going to suffer, but they deserve it.

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    Post  kvs Fri Nov 17, 2023 2:36 pm

    It's called Transnistria in reference to, I believe, the Dnister River.

    The claim that all of Russia's military budget will be sucked up by a million man army (expansion?) sounds ludicrous. Equipping soldiers
    with kit and firearms is the cheapest thing possible. Their salaries are not a big deal either. In fact, it is their absence from the work
    force that is the biggest economic impact.

    The point about new factories is critical. Unlike the "exceptional" west, these factories will be kept functional indefinitely. This
    is exactly what happened to the old factories. Their capacity was never retired but just moth-balled. But it is more than just physical
    plant, it is also the human resources. Russia made sure that the specialists needed to run these factories did not all disappear from
    the work force. No point in having factories nobody can operate. By contrast, in the precious west, when the money dries up the
    factories are simply destroyed (equipment resold or scrapped) and the workers disappear from the work force. Nobody is training new
    ones if there is no magical demand. The west is reaping the harvest of its toxic economic ideology.

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    Post  kvs Wed Nov 22, 2023 10:33 pm



    Nobody is talking about it just like they are not talking about the vax injuries.   It does not serve the agenda.

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    Post  kvs Fri Nov 24, 2023 1:59 pm

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    Post  higurashihougi Sun Nov 26, 2023 6:47 am

    https://www.rt.com/news/587978-king-britain-dead-people-money/

    Royal profits on dead citizens’ money a ‘remnant of feudal Britain’ – mayor

    The official's comment follows a media report claiming that the royal family appropriates deceased people’s assets


    Britain must do away with the last vestiges of feudalism that have supposedly allowed the royal family to line their pockets at the expense of dead people, Greater Manchester Mayor Andy Burnham argued in a statement on Friday.

    His comment came after a report by The Guardian claimed that King Charles III and his relatives have been appropriating money left behind by deceased individuals who had made no will or had no known next of kin, and are doing so to refurbish their properties.

    Under a system known as ‘bona vacantia,’ the assets of such individuals in most of England and Wales go to the Treasury, which then spends them on public services. However, as per an old custom dating back to the Middle Ages, people who die near two hereditary royal estates in England have their money collected by the monarch and their relatives.

    On Thursday, The Guardian published an article alleging that over the past ten years, the Duchy of Lancaster has collected more than £60 million ($75.6 million) in bona vacantia, with only a small portion of that money going to charity despite the royal family’s assurances to the contrary.

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    Post  kvs Sun Nov 26, 2023 12:19 pm

    This is not a feature of the UK and the royal family. In Kanada, the provinces get all the assets of the deceased if no will is left. This obviously
    includes bank accounts and real estate. There is no way that in the UK this will be removed. It will be transferred from the royal family to the
    state.

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    Post  kvs Tue Nov 28, 2023 1:35 pm



    The woke lunacy is terminal. It is not even about "rectifying" actual prejudices and social injustices. It is about faking problems
    where they never existed and using this is a pretext to engage in Orwellian revision.

    In the words of Voltaire: those that can convince you to believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. These
    words are coming more and more into focus. The brain space of the masses is being overwritten with garbage that enables
    the controllers to turn the masses into drones devoid of critical thinking function that can be directed to do whatever they
    please. The woke garbage is designed to install contradictory nonsense and absurd hyper-sensitivity to irrelevant "issues".
    The proles are supposed to be in an emotional triggering paralysis. At the same time this spasmodic mindset turns them into muscle
    meat.

    An informed and critical thinking able public is toxic to power. The woke degeneration in the west is killing off any token democratic
    features there were. The west is transitioning into a totalitarian toilet. Enjoy the freedom you still have. The coming generations
    will be living in a brave new world.

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    Post  GarryB Wed Nov 29, 2023 7:03 am

    So evil people can't be in wheelchairs... so this evil character is very old... but can't use a wheelchair because he is evil and we don't want people to think all wheelchair users are evil... so how about a Doctor Who companion who is good and is in a wheel chair.... wow... I am brilliant... why don't they hire me for my ideas?

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    Post  Firebird Thu Nov 30, 2023 10:01 pm

    higurashihougi wrote:Everything bad in the universe is because of Putin.  Laughing  Laughing  Laughing  Laughing  Laughing


    Christ he looks like a paedo... and talks like a wanker.

    By the same reasoning... Sunseeker yachts are too expensive. Their CEO must go... and then I can get one for nothing. 😂

    Maybe its time Russia started interfering in Western elections. After all, GAYTO and co are pretty brazen about interfering in FSU elections.

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    Post  GarryB Fri Dec 01, 2023 8:21 am

    Maybe its time Russia started interfering in Western elections. After all, GAYTO and co are pretty brazen about interfering in FSU elections.

    They will be blamed for unexpected results anyway.

    What I would love is for the next time someone asks Putin who he thinks will win the US election... he should name a candidate... it would be very interesting to see what effect that does.

    I think if he gave his honest opinion about who he thought America could vote in to office that could actually turn things around and make America better and said why, I wonder how many frustrated Americans would think that this makes sense and vote for them. I wonder how many stupid Americans would think if Putin wants me to vote for them then I wont vote for them because he is evil. Imagine the chaos... the political opponents will claim anyone Putin endorses to be putins puppet, but would that be bad or good for their election chances. I am sure everyone would wait to see what the public opinion poles stated... if the endorsed candidate goes up in the ratings they will get scared, but are Americans stupid enough anything they are told... will the not endorsed candidates say it is all reverse psychology and that if Putin thinks the other guy should win then you have to vote for me or Russia wins and America loses... it is all obviously black and white... America and Russia can't both win they will tell you.

    The circular arguments would be funny and at least this time would not need to be made up and of course there is clear evidence of Russian election interference, but Russia has already been put under sanctions for election interference in the US so they must be allowed to interfere now...?
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    Post  Swgman_BK Tue Dec 12, 2023 2:46 am

    Maybe its time Russia started interfering in Western elections. After all, GAYTO and co are pretty brazen about interfering in FSU elections. wrote:

    When your enemy destroys themselves via stupid decisions you do not interfere. You let the process go on. Let the West vote in their Pro-Gay leaders and all sorts of other immoral things. Russia is better off turning a blind eye to it and seriously persecuting any trace of Western culture seeping into their society. That is how great nations are built. Not through election rigging and wars. Russia is not that kind of country to participate in such nonsense. At least under Putin. A morally upright leader.

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