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    Post  GarryB 05/12/21, 08:32 am

    Such people have created their own little reality where it is all a game of good an evil and the west is good and therefore Russia is evil... at the time of the first Star Trek series there is no way the Klingons could be allies because they were barbaric animals. Star Trek next generation and there is a Klingon as part of the regular crew.... just like in the first series there are Russian and Asian and Black Women crew members, by the 1990s they had expanded to allow the Klingons into the fold because together they are stronger... but that isn't America...

    The US is a colonial power and if you had to pick a race in the Star Trek Universe that best represented the west, it would have to be the Borg... not going to be friends with anyone.

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    Post  higurashihougi 05/12/21, 06:28 pm

    America is a country based on freedom of speech and a government representing the people.
    Since when America has "freedom of speech" and "government represents the people" ?

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    Post  Hole 06/12/21, 12:13 am

    The people they´re talking about are Billionaires.

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    Post  GarryB 06/12/21, 10:37 am

    The government represents their biggest campaign contributors, who generally fund both sides so they can't lose normally, and freedom of speech means nothing if the media are not interested in spreading that message and because they are owned by those same wealthy people directing the government you can say what you like generally but don't expect to be heard... unless you are saying things big business and the rich and powerful want to hear.

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    Post  Hole 06/12/21, 05:05 pm

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    Post  Airbornewolf 07/12/21, 05:31 am

    Hole wrote:Western propaganda - Page 38 Ff5qzm10

    If i may offer comment.
    And to be clear Hole, i take no personal offense.
    But i just want to offer some perspective to everyone that might read this.

    The Millitary attracts two kinds of people.
    Dumbasses that got lured in by promises of education and seeing no other way of employment.
    And the ideals, thinking people that just took the propaganda at their word.

    Confronted with the actual war and attrocity's, they develop in two categories.

    The ones that do not care and will always regurgitate what the news said to stick their head in the sand.
    And people that turn 180 degrees in their previous convictions.

    The latter category also split up.
    An large part seeking refuge in alcohol and/or other addictions to escape their part in destroying nations and people.
    Did everyone here know there are more american servicemen dying of suicide than combat casualty's?. even during the Iraq and Afghan occupations?.

    American soldiers are treated badly themselves. They might be shipped out of Afghanistan after two years thinking they are going home.
    To land on Crete, Greece and hear they are being redeployed to Iraq for another two year term of combat service.

    Troops crying in some sea-container in a corner as they cant take it anymore,
    Fighter pilots on stimulants and accidentally strafing an British convoy with their A-10 as they where too tired to tell the difference between technicals and IFV's.
    All because there are too few people to wage this war.

    The other part just ends up hating the very western system and politicians that get away with this.
    Western Millitary's try to force this category of people to keep quiet by threatening with measures that damages their future.
    Like witholding carreer-critical legitimisation of papers to the civilian sector. Or deny any education program untill the army is satisfied by your service.
    Its realy endentured servitude.

    Personally, i witnessed events as portrayed here in the image.
    things are not as they may seem.

    People like me try often to speak about this, But guys like me just get silenced.

    Youtube channel:deleted for speaking about "violent content".
    Facebook: deleted for being associated with undesired groups or organisations.
    the list goes on for a bit.

    To illustrate that there are Troops out there that want to speak out, but their way's of communicating to the public are silenced by media giants that control everything.

    Death in Service is the ultimate sacrifice,
    In the West, Speaking out against NATO/U.S.A in public is almost the same.

    Your millitary servicerecord does not matter anymore, as you are an "putin-versteher/ Putin-appologist".
    Your war-decorations mean nothing, just another misguided person that saw too much of RT and Sputnik News.
    You become nothing, no voice in matters. Just an outsider regardless of the arguements you bring.

    They start to call you an alt-right nazi or some rediculous crap like that.

    Western Troops live under George Orwell's 1984 themselves.
    You either join their narrative, or get destroyed by them.

    I understand the outside world sees it like the cartoon.
    This hate should be targeted at the western politicians and millitary elite in my personal opinion.

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    Post  kvs 07/12/21, 06:32 am

    The cartoon could have used Uncle Sam instead of a soldier. But in Iraq some soldiers enjoyed killing civilians and there was video
    of this. The problem is that Americans are

    1) Ignorant about the rest of the world (including Canada, which is like part of the USA).

    2) High on messianic drivel about being exceptional and having a manifest destiny given to them by God.

    They are basically the same as the jihadi goat f*ckers who afflict the Middle East and elsewhere. Terrorists
    who think they are on a mission from God. The Americans are more moderate, but to their victims that
    makes no difference. Being killed by some drone operator faggot is the same as being killed by a suicide
    bomber.

    The US is a pestilence on the world. They are trying to rule all of it and start endless punitive wars to achieve
    this. Nobody gave these clowns any right to do this. They give it to themselves with their claim to phony
    moral authority. Every single war they start is to spread "freedom and democracy". But they have been
    propping death squad junta tyrannies from Latin America, to Africa to Asia. So their Orwellian spew is grotesque
    and obscene. We see more of this in Ukraine, where they installed a collection of Stepan Bandera worshipping
    Nazis who are bent on ethnically cleansing the Donbass and the remaining "Russian filth" form their "sacred soil".
    The US run western fake stream media is spewing shit about some Russian invasion when the Kiev regime is
    openly talking about ethnic cleansing and passing "laws" to classify the residents of the Donbass as criminals.

    No way that America should get any sympathy for its bloody hypocrisy and war criminality. It is exceptionally
    evil.

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    Post  GarryB 07/12/21, 07:08 am

    I think Hole was thinking of the US Soldier as representing the US in all of its many wars to bring peace and democracy to the world... I wonder if they will recognise the difference if they ever achieved that... the sad thing is that the people directing the troops and starting the wars could care less about peace and democracy... it is more to do with mining and oil rights and defence contracts... or just destroying a country that is getting friendly with Russia or China...

    Plenty of German soldiers regretted the situation they were in on the Eastern front even at the time, but it is hard to have empathy for them while they are doing what they are doing... if this US soldier goes home and reflects on what he and his country has done and has a mental breakdown because of it he shows he is a human and he has all my sympathy.... we talk about propaganda all the time on both sides... whether it is wars or vaccines or play doh brands... obviously ours is best and any cancer concerns is all propaganda from the enemy... don't believe them... and most people follow their sides propaganda till something happens and they get their eyes opened to the rear truth... which as Airborne Wolf points out... turns your entire world upside down... it is not a nice place to be and can be rather traumatic in itself, and then you start to reflect your part in it... the things you said and did, or didn't do or didn't say. And of course all your friends and family see the change in you and they are worried too... ironically you become putins puppet... the enemy... how life changing is that.

    Of course it is not new... the men coming back from Vietnam were not treated like the heroes the soldiers from WWII or Korea were treated... and that was propaganda as well...

    My take on that cartoon is that the US thinks of itself as a force for good in the world but looking at the effects of their applications of military and also importantly economic sanctions, and the serious damage both inflict on countries all round the world... I think the US has to change... it has to stop and think... are we doing this to make our own richest citizens richer, or are we making these places better places to live.... and the streams of migrants wanting to get to Europe and the US is pretty conclusive evidence they are not making things better at all... they need to stop... and there is no point telling the US grunt on the front line... they get no say in the matter... sadly during election time the American people need to suck it up and all vote for an independent so the democrats and republicans will realise they have dropped the ball and America has noticed.

    It is the system that is the problem and it needs to be changed to be more inclusive... too many rich white old men have too much say, and I don't mean the Presidents because they have little real power as shown by Trumps inability to do very much of what he promised.

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    Post  higurashihougi 10/12/21, 08:23 pm

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    Post  GarryB 11/12/21, 10:00 am

    And during the summit for democracy... Julian Assange loses his appeal and will be sent to the US to stand trial for being a journalist.

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    Post  Hole 11/12/21, 03:46 pm

    But two "journalists" got the noble peace price. Nothing to see here!
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    Post  kvs 18/12/21, 12:32 am



    Pfizer and pals operate "NGOs" in Russia to push their agenda. One such clown outfit put out some letter in 2020 calling for
    extensive testing of Sputnik V to "prove its safety". Radio Svoboda aka Radio Liars acted as an echo chamber for this
    activist trash and quoted supposed medical professionals claiming they will wait for the safer Pfizer vaccine. lol1 lol1 lol1

    Naturally, the NGO and its sponsors did not call for the same testing to be applied to the Pfizer vaccine, etc. This was not
    a discussion about Phase III trials. So Sputnik V should have been only introduced after 2023. The sabotage of competition
    is obvious.

    Also, Nahalny was actively pushing the Pfizer sponsored narrative. Anyone who thinks this clown is an honest "dissident" is
    a moron. He is a paid NATzO whore.

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    Post  kvs 18/12/21, 12:52 am

    Another form of western propaganda is through social media. I see a lot of videos on Youtube with titles such as <Russian weapon system>
    is over-hyped. I don't bother watching this rubbish but:

    1) No Russian system is hyped by the NATzO fake stream media.

    2) The Russian media does not hype Russian systems. Reporting on the development of the S-500 is not hype.
    Stating that the S-400 system has no analogues in the world is not hype, it is fact.

    3) The Russian government does not hype its weapons systems and does a good job of keeping a lid on them.
    For example the Su-75 and the S-550.

    By contrast, the fake stream western media over-hypes everything coming out of NATzO. From the hyperloop to the F-35.
    The fawning by CNN et al. over the ludicrous hyperloop is insane.

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    Post  higurashihougi 18/12/21, 08:18 pm

    Somebody in the Biden administration are playing Mental Omega or Yuri's Revenge too much.  Laughing Laughing Laughing

    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/us-accuses-chinese-tech-firms-research-institutes-weaponizing/story?id=81793798

    US accuses Chinese tech firms, research institutes of weaponizing biotechnology, creating 'brain-control weaponry'
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    Post  andalusia 18/12/21, 11:32 pm

    This is another attack on Putin, what do you all think of this?

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/russia-fights-another-cold-war-222640172.html
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    Post  kvs 18/12/21, 11:36 pm

    andalusia wrote:This is another attack on Putin, what do you all think of this?

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/russia-fights-another-cold-war-222640172.html

    NATzO bootlick Khodorkovsky licking NATzO boots to earn his keep. Meh.

    NATzO and its propaganda will not save it or get it what it wants. Russia and Russians do not care and NATzO
    is not prepared to get glassed to prove its propaganda fantasies are fact.

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    Post  calripson 19/12/21, 06:22 am

    kvs wrote:
    andalusia wrote:This is another attack on Putin, what do you all think of this?

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/russia-fights-another-cold-war-222640172.html

    NATzO bootlick Khodorkovsky licking NATzO boots to earn his keep.  Meh.

    NATzO and its propaganda will not save it or get it what it wants.   Russia and Russians do not care and NATzO
    is not prepared to get glassed to prove its propaganda fantasies are fact.


    Khodorkovsky was the front man for London banking interests in post-Soviet Russia. It's the money that calls the shots - NATO, CIA, MI6 work for them not the other way around. The most telling aspect of the Yukos saga was Khodorkovsky's last minute hail Mary pass attempting to transfer his shares in Yukos to a charitable trust controlled by none other than Lord Jacob Rothschild. That inconvenient little fact has been flushed down the memory hole.

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    Post  flamming_python 19/12/21, 08:32 am

    That article is written by Michael Khodarkovsky (a nobody), not Mikhail Khodorkovsky

    Although it still seems to be moontalk either way, whichever one of them writes

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    Post  kvs 30/12/21, 07:47 pm



    The outfit called Memorial was engaged in full bore historical revisionism. It classified Nazi war criminals as "victims" of
    Soviet "repression". The Ukrian branch of Memorial classified Stepan Bandera as a political prisoner. Stepan Bandera
    was a Nazi butcher. Basically all collaborators and Nazi enablers are rebranded by Memorial as plucky freedom fighters
    against Soviet tyranny. I suppose Nazi Germany is an example of a stellar democracy.

    NATzO is actively engaged in rewriting history to remove Germany from its role in WWII and turn it into a victim of
    Soviet "aggression". We have already seen assorted central and eastern U-ropean lickspittles laundering their dirty
    past and posing as defenders of freedom.

    The video also injects some valuable truth. Stalin was not responsible for repressions by the Trotskyist dominated
    NKVD and after 1939, when Beria was installed, many falsely accused prisoners were released. No wonder that
    Trotskyist Khruschev had Beria shot. Khruschev was very active in filling up Soviet gulags and murdering people
    by execution based on false convictions. People think that Stalin ran the show after 1925. That is the typical,
    childish view of how governments operate. The power was in the hands of the Party and not Stalin. Stalin was
    part of one faction and the Trotskyists were another. They were not removed from their posts in 1925 and clearly
    retained influence after 1953.

    Anyway, the objective of Memorial is to browbeat Russians into feeling guilt for the Soviet repressions. This is
    grotesquely obscene. Memorial and its NATzO sponsors want Russians to feel guilty for being victims. They were
    the ones being shot and sent to the gulags. It was not just "minorities" as insinuated by a BBC "documentary"
    that I saw several years ago. How about the west take responsibility for sponsoring the 1917 revolution. Trotsky
    went on a grand financing tour to the USA. It was not just Germans sending Lenin in a train to Russia. The USSR
    was the blowback that the USA got from one of its endless regime change operations. The USA is more responsible
    for WWII than Germany. The USSR's "guilt" was that it made western shits afraid. That is not real guilt.

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    Post  Airbornewolf 31/12/21, 05:43 am

    kvs wrote:Another form of western propaganda is through social media.   I see a lot of videos on Youtube with titles such as <Russian weapon system>
    is over-hyped.   I don't bother watching this rubbish but:

    1) No Russian system is hyped by the NATzO fake stream media.

    2) The Russian media does not hype Russian systems.   Reporting on the development of the S-500 is not hype.  
       Stating that the S-400 system has no analogues in the world is not hype, it is fact.

    3) The Russian government does not hype its weapons systems and does a good job of keeping a lid on them.  
       For example the Su-75 and the S-550.

    By contrast, the fake stream western media over-hypes everything coming out of NATzO.   From the hyperloop to the F-35.
    The fawning by CNN et al. over the ludicrous hyperloop is insane.    


    These are the same kind of people that join the millitary intelligence, and tell troops in afghanistan that an spotted operational ZSU-23-4 poses no threat to ground forces our ground convoy as it is an old AA weapon....
    Our ground convoy,...that needed to pass trough an valley and nowhere to manouvre.
    The best armoured vehicle type comming along it's armour is rated for .50 call/12.7MM maximum. sporting itself an non-gyro .50 call..running this scenario encountering said ZSU-23-4...are you having a smile yet at this incompetence?.

    Command and Intelligence can be dumb as ****, put on blinds or stick their head's in the sand over what rolls off the assembly line in Russia.
    wave it away, do not take it seriously in their propaganda echochambers.
    They do not give it the attention it deserves.

    It creates an very dangerous and misguided sense of security that results in millitary blunders and miscalculations.

    Best thing you can do is laugh at their stupidity KVS. It is not worth the rise in blood pressure. Wink

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    Post  kvs 31/12/21, 06:57 am

    It is a bit shocking how social media inanity carries over the people whose job it is to know better.

    The shrill tone of my posts is not a reflection on my ongoing state of mind. I am sort of jaded-zen on these issues.
    I know I have zero impact and reality will march on at its own pace. So there is no point to get a stroke over this
    idiocy.

    I also get no thrill from the consequences for average people from the gross negligence of their leaders and public
    opinion manipulators. But the good suffering for the bad has been the norm since the start of human history.

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    Post  Airbornewolf 31/12/21, 07:25 am

    kvs wrote:It is a bit shocking how social media inanity carries over the people whose job it is to know better.

    The shrill tone of my posts is not a reflection on my ongoing state of mind.   I am sort of jaded-zen on these issues.
    I know I have zero impact and reality will march on at its own pace.  So there is no point to get a stroke over this
    idiocy.

    I also get no thrill from the consequences for average people from the gross negligence of their leaders and public
    opinion manipulators.   But the good suffering for the bad has been the norm since the start of human history.  


    no worries, i know the feeling.
    to be open, i stood on too many "ramp ceremony's". because of failure in leadership and intelligence quality.
    Ramp ceremony's are where you stand all in line for the dead and heavily injured to be loaded into cargo aircraft to be send home.

    I know the price for ignorance and misinformation all too well.
    Explains my dislike for NATO a bit.

    no disprespect to fellow infantrymen, but infantry usually are not selected for reasoning or problem solving capabilities.
    If you are fit and can pull an trigger you are good enough, as recruitment states.

    The millitary takes here advantage of an young generation, in their 20's. in their prime of their life and seeking for adventure.
    Not realising the harsh reality of warfare.

    they do not get told the truth by their command/intelligence and are told to head blindly in. "because these are just a bunch of flip-flop wearing sheep herders".
    Then the screaming on the HF radio starts, and soon the 9-liner medevac requests start comming in.

    As awfull as it sounds, you grow used to it. But it gnaws at your core.
    War is chaos and you can not control the outcome.
    But sending guys in with all the information and an honest,straight mindset, not underestimating the enemy would have saved a lot of unnesesary deaths and injuries.

    i got back in one piece, but i have seen fammily's broken because "we" as an millitary brought their sons and daughter's back....broken.
    We did not do everything in our power to prevent that because of incompetence of Leadership,intelligence and politicians.

    Troops that where blind, lost their legs, or arms...organs so critically damaged they need machines to live.
    scarred mentally and physically for life...

    eventually, i came to the conclusion it was not within my power to fix either.

    Take my word for it, i was angry. Very angry at the time of all this.
    young guys my age being hauled off in coffins with an flag, because an commander underestimated the Taliban for an "bunch of sheep herders".
    "because we are the shit".

    Misplaced Bravado.

    same goes with the propaganda you see everywhere, and people regurgitating it without knowing what they are talking about.
    You can not save everyone. All you can is tell your story to anyone who will listen really.

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    Post  andalusia 31/12/21, 10:52 am

    GarryB wrote:

    My  take on that cartoon is that the US thinks of itself as a force for good in the world but looking at the effects of their applications of military and also importantly economic sanctions, and the serious damage both inflict on countries all round the world...

    "I think the US has to change... it has to stop and think... are we doing this to make our own richest citizens richer, or are we making these places better places to live.... "


    and the streams of migrants wanting to get to Europe and the US is pretty conclusive evidence they are not making things better at all... they need to stop... and there is no point telling the US grunt on the front line... they get no say in the matter... sadly during election time the American people need to suck it up and all vote for an independent so the democrats and republicans will realise they have dropped the ball and America has noticed.

    It is the system that is the problem and it needs to be changed to be more inclusive... too many rich white old men have too much say, and I don't mean the Presidents because they have little real power as shown by Trumps inability to do very much of what he promised.

    Garry B comment:  "I think the US has to change... it has to stop and think"

    What planet do you live on Garry B? Since you have studied American Foreign Policy and the American people you should know better than to make that statement. That is not going to happen.  KVS comments about Americans fully explains my position.

    The problem is that Americans are

    1) Ignorant about the rest of the world (including Canada, which is like part of the USA).

    2) High on messianic drivel about being exceptional and having a manifest destiny given to them by God.

    The US is a pestilence on the world. They are trying to rule all of it and start endless punitive wars to achieve
    this. Nobody gave these clowns any right to do this. They give it to themselves with their claim to phony
    moral authority. Every single war they start is to spread "freedom and democracy". But they have been
    propping death squad junta tyrannies from Latin America, to Africa to Asia. So their Orwellian spew is grotesque
    and obscene. We see more of this in Ukraine, where they installed a collection of Stepan Bandera worshipping
    Nazis who are bent on ethnically cleansing the Donbass and the remaining "Russian filth" form their "sacred soil".
    The US run western fake stream media is spewing shit about some Russian invasion when the Kiev regime is
    openly talking about ethnic cleansing and passing "laws" to classify the residents of the Donbass as criminals.

    No way that America should get any sympathy for its bloody hypocrisy and war criminality. It is exceptionally
    evil.



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