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    Post  kvs Sat Jan 09, 2021 5:54 am



    Nonsense about high speed rail. Note how the brazen 3rd world corruption of the California project is ignored and instead
    every high speed rail project is smeared as unrealistic. As if doubling of costs is realistic for any project plan. The delusional
    bubble is strong.

    Just like ballot fraud never occurs in the USA. Nothing seriously bad can ever occur in the USA.

    These idiots are a total freak show.

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    Post  GarryB Sat Jan 09, 2021 2:20 pm

    Reagan called the USSR the evil empire but the US is really the evil empire.

    The west has always used projection in propaganda... anything they accuse their enemies of doing you can bet your ass it is because they want to do it to their opponents and enemies or they are already doing it...

    The sad thing is that it didn't need to be... and this conflict with Russia and China doesn't need to happen, but the west does not share power and does not accept other countries as equals... it only has enemies and bitches...

    Maybe they will grow up, but I doubt it.
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    Post  GarryB Sat Jan 09, 2021 2:24 pm

    Nonsense about high speed rail. Note how the brazen 3rd world corruption of the California project is ignored and instead
    every high speed rail project is smeared as unrealistic.

    Actually the high speed trains in China have been very successful in promoting people to make trips to nearby regions for day trips they would never otherwise have done, and in that sense has opened China up to a lot of internal tourism that would not otherwise occur.

    The proposed 600km/h trains in Russia would be the equivalent to short distance light aircraft travel, but hopefully for lower costs... I would think St Petersberg to Moscow and back would be popular and a good start, but branches around the country will make travel and access easier and cheaper and really open up the country...
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    Post  LMFS Sat Jan 09, 2021 7:01 pm

    Interesting thread about major figures of the Nazi war machine and their fight for "freedom" and "democracy" inside NATzO

    https://twitter.com/BenjaminNorton/status/1347918197366943746

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    Post  kvs Sat Jan 09, 2021 7:07 pm

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    NATzO indeed.

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    Post  kvs Sat Jan 09, 2021 7:09 pm

    Funny how any member of a genocidal regime can be laundered into a legit high level position in the precious west.

    Actions always speak louder than words.

    BTW, most of the Nazis in various local political and administrative positions in Western Germany were not fired.
    They were laundered as well.

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    Post  LMFS Sat Jan 09, 2021 7:10 pm

    The way their career is whitewashed in Wikipedia for alleged involvement in plots against Hitler is face melting. At that time they had already millions of deaths on their account, but they were good people because they are supposed to have disliked Hitler, when he was already losing. Embarassed Embarassed Embarassed
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    Post  kvs Sat Jan 09, 2021 7:17 pm

    LMFS wrote:The way their career is whitewashed in Wikipedia for alleged involvement in plots against Hitler is face melting. At that time they had already millions of deaths on their account, but they were good people because they are supposed to have disliked Hitler, when he was already losing. Embarassed Embarassed Embarassed

    The same sort of logic as any nutjob who opposes Trump being automatically a saint. Burn down businesses and murder people and it is just dandy.
    As long as you hate Trump. So these Nazis were all saints because they hated the USSR.

    The USSR in 1945 was not the Trotskyist toilet it was even under Stalin during the 1930s. It triggers me how western bloody hypocrites bash
    Russians over the head with the existence of gulags in which they died the most per capita (so it was not just minorities being victimized as
    the BBC would have you believe). That is like bashing Jews using the Holocaust.

    No fucking westerner has any moral authority to lecture Russians about communism. Especially given the brazen support for the
    Nazi genocide in Russia that the west sponsored and keeps supporting via its current revision of history. Take Banderastan as
    an example. As long as the Nazis keep focused on Russia, they are the bestest democrats.



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    Post  GarryB Sun Jan 10, 2021 5:30 am

    The way their career is whitewashed in Wikipedia for alleged involvement in plots against Hitler is face melting. At that time they had already millions of deaths on their account, but they were good people because they are supposed to have disliked Hitler, when he was already losing.

    Yes, Hitler, the numbers of Soviet soldiers, and winter and lend lease is their excuse for losing the war... but Hitler wasn't a problem till they started losing... before they were losing he was the best.

    They were not anti hitler, they were anti losing. And if you were an engineer working on big rockets or high tech stuff they could care less if you were a died in the wool card carrying member or not... you can be a bastard... just as long as your are our bastard.

    And of course these west german nazis were the only sources of information about what happened on the eastern front for most of the cold war and anything bad they had to say about the Soviets was taken as true without question... no critical thinking no tests or checks to see if it was true.

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    Post  andalusia Mon Jan 11, 2021 10:51 am

    This is an interesting article: https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/10/16/the-u-s-did-not-defeat-fascism-in-wwii-it-discretely-internationalized-it/?fbclid=IwAR1rrZAsnkl3qqAWEzGx7N1K-b_98QPMj91lknNq450OrADMLrCA8RjqBtg

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    Post  kvs Mon Jan 11, 2021 4:48 pm

    andalusia wrote:This is an interesting article: https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/10/16/the-u-s-did-not-defeat-fascism-in-wwii-it-discretely-internationalized-it/?fbclid=IwAR1rrZAsnkl3qqAWEzGx7N1K-b_98QPMj91lknNq450OrADMLrCA8RjqBtg

    These freaks were yapping about Aryan Christians during WWII but now yap about precious non-Aryans and piss on those Aryan Christians.
    These real Nazis that rule the west could care less about any set of values. All values for them are a tool to enable power and control.
    If that power lust is served by opening concentration camps for those Aryan Christians, they will do so with insane zeal.

    For supposed anti-communist crusaders they sure love Trotskyism today. And have been working to deploy it for decades. So all
    the drivel about fighting "godless communism" is yet more posturing BS. The only fight they have is against Russia because Russia
    does not bend the knee. They were never fighting any ideology since they will use any ideology themselves to further their ambitions.

    Too bad most of the sheeple have no mental development to understand this.

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    Post  franco Mon Jan 11, 2021 5:05 pm

    Canada wins Top Quality of Life Nation for 4th year in a row Shocked

    So what's up with that guys dunno

    And yes, it's a friendly taunt Very Happy
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    Post  kvs Mon Jan 11, 2021 5:49 pm

    franco wrote:Canada wins Top Quality of Life Nation for 4th year in a row Shocked

    So what's up with that guys dunno

    And yes, it's a friendly taunt Very Happy

    These awards are nothing but propaganda. Food inflation in Canada is easily 10% per year. But officially it is nothing.

    People with functional brains and good educations can evaluate the reality for themselves.

    One metric that should tell you what you need to know is the existence of food banks. Canadian cities need them
    as do US cities. I have not heard of food banks in Russia. And food banks are not some luxury feature of the
    super rich west. The key difference is that housing costs are so onerous in Canada and the US in major cities
    that it is very easy to have a monthly income deficit even if one or even two earners exist in a household.
    The working poor is something that is rare in Russia because the big bad USSR left people with their own housing
    for which they do not have to pay rents or mortgages. Of course, they have utilities and the post-Soviet
    advent of municipal taxes, but they can still afford to feed themselves.

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    Post  calripson Tue Jan 12, 2021 2:18 am

    kvs wrote:
    franco wrote:Canada wins Top Quality of Life Nation for 4th year in a row Shocked

    So what's up with that guys dunno

    And yes, it's a friendly taunt Very Happy

    These awards are nothing but propaganda.   Food inflation in Canada is easily 10% per year.   But officially it is nothing.

    People with functional brains and good educations can evaluate the reality for themselves.  

    One metric that should tell you what you need to know is the existence of food banks.   Canadian cities need them
    as do US cities.   I have not heard of food banks in Russia.   And food banks are not some luxury feature of the
    super rich west.   The key difference is that housing costs are so onerous in Canada and the US in major cities
    that it is very easy to have a monthly income deficit even if one or even two earners exist in a household.  
    The working poor is something that is rare in Russia because the big bad USSR left people with their own housing
    for which they do not have to pay rents or mortgages.   Of course, they have utilities and the post-Soviet
    advent of municipal taxes, but they can still afford to feed themselves.



    You can find lists of top 100 Universities that do not include a single Russian University in the top 50. Total nonsense.

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    Post  kvs Tue Jan 12, 2021 5:41 am

    I have seen some of the methodology of those rankings.   It includes all sorts of BS like non-academic "night life" and other
    fluff that make for "quality of experience".    So the number of pubs on campus is ranking category.   Total unmitigated BS
    since not every country has to have the same culture that exists in the west.  

    All of these rankings and awards are inane.   They do not advertise the details of their ranking.   As if these are mere technicalities.
    I am also sure that LGBTXYZ campus propaganda and representation in key jobs is a must to be ranked high.   Because education
    requires daily affirmation of sexual orientation and skin colour.   I bet Russia does not get ranked high enough because it does not
    have enough blacks and Latinos.   Yes, really...

    Then we have the maintenance of propaganda narratives.   Since Russians cannot into tech and science (LOL), their
    universities must be trash.   After seeing the events of the last few days in the USA, I am feeling sorry for the victims
    of such totalitarian manipulation.

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    Post  calripson Wed Jan 13, 2021 12:48 am

    kvs wrote:I have seen some of the methodology of those rankings.   It includes all sorts of BS like non-academic "night life" and other
    fluff that make for "quality of experience".    So the number of pubs on campus is ranking category.   Total unmitigated BS
    since not every country has to have the same culture that exists in the west.  

    All of these rankings and awards are inane.   They do not advertise the details of their ranking.   As if these are mere technicalities.
    I am also sure that LGBTXYZ campus propaganda and representation in key jobs is a must to be ranked high.   Because education
    requires daily affirmation of sexual orientation and skin colour.   I bet Russia does not get ranked high enough because it does not
    have enough blacks and Latinos.   Yes, really...

    Then we have the maintenance of propaganda narratives.   Since Russians cannot into tech and science (LOL), their
    universities must be trash.   After seeing the events of the last few days in the USA, I am feeling sorry for the victims
    of such totalitarian manipulation.

    Yes, Russia scored poorly in the category of gay, English speaking nightlife.

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    Post  kvs Mon Jan 18, 2021 6:20 pm



    Norway loves to bitch at Russia for having old submarines and nuclear contamination. But at the same time it can't
    be bothered to remove a submarine carrying tons of mercury that was scuttled at the end of WWII. An environmental
    activist (a genuine one) who fought to have this mercury waste cleaned up since it was exposing the a prime salmon
    fjord ecosystem was terrorized for his efforts and eventually "drowned while walking on thin ice". As if he would
    have had no experience with thin ice. It is more than likely that he was murdered since threats of physical violence
    were made against him by the clowns he was fighting against.

    BTW, Norway is one of the several countries on the planet that allow dumping of any waste (no matter how toxic) into
    the sea. Squeaky clean Scandinavians lol1

    Recently we had some appartchik dismissing the death of 23 people after taking Pfizer's crapcine as being perfectly
    fine since they were old and frail. Let's get this straight, so it is OK to violate the medical oath of "do no harm"
    because the patients are old and frail? As long as Pfizer gets to make money, right?

    I will intercept any attempt to fob of the mercury in the submarine as being a non issue. Even if the mercury
    is in elemental form, Hg(0), it will be oxidized in the sea water through various reactions, including biological,
    into Hg(II). Even if Hg(0) is low solubility and will evade into the atmosphere over time, Hg(II) is very soluble and
    reactive. It will produce methylated variants (CH3Hg, (CH3)2Hg). Methyl mercury bio-accumulates and is a potent
    neurotoxin:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karen_Wetterhahn

    Methylation is typically an organic process that can involve both bacteria and reaction with organic colloids
    that are ubiquitous in sea water. In fact methylation can happen even via humic compounds which cannot be
    metabolized by bacteria.

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    Post  GarryB Tue Jan 19, 2021 2:38 am

    If it gets into the food chain they are screwed... am surprised the local fishing industry is ignoring this...
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    Post  kvs Fri Jan 22, 2021 12:09 am



    The NATzO fake stream media wants to remove all alternative voices.

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    Post  calripson Fri Jan 22, 2021 1:18 am

    https://greenwald.substack.com/p/the-new-domestic-war-on-terror-is
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    Post  kvs Fri Jan 22, 2021 1:32 am

    calripson wrote:https://greenwald.substack.com/p/the-new-domestic-war-on-terror-is

    The Reichstag fire aka the Capitol Hill insurrection is being used to usher in the new totalitarian order. And the
    so-called "free" media is exactly the sort you had in Germany during the 1930s. People need to use their brains
    and get a clue instead of taking it in the rear and pretending it is the bestest thing ever because bad things
    ain't supposed to happen with all the independent voices and checks and balances that are clearly not even
    making a dent.

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    Post  elconquistador Sat Jan 23, 2021 11:18 am

    Western propaganda is being increasingly identified as such by its native population. However, in the light of the current overt turn towards totalitarianism, it doesn't matter anymore

    Instead of deceit and encouraging compliance/fulfilling one's civic duties, it now serves the goal of demoralization/dehumanisation

    Some words of wisdom on the goal of propaganda in totalitarian societies

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    Post  kvs Sat Jan 23, 2021 6:06 pm

    Orwell was right on target in this regard in 1984. Totalitarian coercion is about breaking down the resistance. There are
    two types of totalitarianism that really are one and will appear in the same country depending on the needs of the deciders.
    The 1984 brutal one and the Brave New World "soft" one. People in the west have been already living in the latter and are
    now going to be living in the former.

    There is no longer any pretense of fairness. Mainstream political voices are being openly censored by the tech mafia and
    the MSM is cheeseball nonsense that would even make someone living in the USSR under Brezhnev cringe. Soviet MSM
    was actually more sober and narrow focused than current US MSM and its associated lickspittles. I notice that a
    lot of western thinkers tend to project their own imaginations onto the USSR. Nobody took the Soviet MSM seriously
    inside the USSR to the level that Americans give their fake stream media the benefit of the doubt. All the demented claims
    about Russia being a tyranny and that Russians are totally cut off from the web and only have "state run" media
    under Putin is cheese well beyond any Soviet propaganda. Just like the cold war western media could focus on Soviet
    problems, the Soviet media could focus on western problems. So propaganda was spin and cherry picking. But the
    sort of excrement put out by the NATzO fake stream media today is just in-your-face lying.

    It looks a lot like the western fake stream media propaganda spew is aimed at westerners and not at Russians. I am a bit
    surprised by this since I have been living in Canada since well before 1990 and can say that Russia was never covered
    positively. So I would not expect westerners to require doubled down brainwashing. But the rubbish spewed by CNN
    et al. is certainly not winning any hearts and minds in Russia since it is just intellectually insulting.

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    Post  Hole Sat Jan 23, 2021 7:03 pm

    A few years ago I saw a film about the Tu-144. In it some russian/soviet reporters were questioning Tupolev. There questions were much tougher then what western reporters ask people like Musk and Gates or politicians like Bidet or Obongo.

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    Post  LMFS Sat Jan 23, 2021 7:39 pm

    kvs wrote:Orwell was right on target in this regard in 1984.   Totalitarian coercion is about breaking down the resistance.   There are
    two types of totalitarianism that really are one and will appear in the same country depending on the needs of the deciders.
    The 1984 brutal one and the Brave New World "soft" one.   People in the west have been already living in the latter and are
    now going to be living in the former.  

    The main difference between fictional dystopia and the real one is that in novels everyone seems to be aware of the brutality to which they are being subjected, while in our reality most of people are completely oblivious to it, thinking they live in the best of worlds possible and asking for more. I actually find that fact as disturbing, if not more, than the ruthlessness and depravity of the regimes we live in Rolling Eyes

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