andalusia wrote:GarryB wrote:
My take on that cartoon is that the US thinks of itself as a force for good in the world but looking at the effects of their applications of military and also importantly economic sanctions, and the serious damage both inflict on countries all round the world...
"I think the US has to change... it has to stop and think... are we doing this to make our own richest citizens richer, or are we making these places better places to live.... "
and the streams of migrants wanting to get to Europe and the US is pretty conclusive evidence they are not making things better at all... they need to stop... and there is no point telling the US grunt on the front line... they get no say in the matter... sadly during election time the American people need to suck it up and all vote for an independent so the democrats and republicans will realise they have dropped the ball and America has noticed.
It is the system that is the problem and it needs to be changed to be more inclusive... too many rich white old men have too much say, and I don't mean the Presidents because they have little real power as shown by Trumps inability to do very much of what he promised.
Garry B comment: "I think the US has to change... it has to stop and think"
What planet do you live on Garry B? Since you have studied American Foreign Policy and the American people you should know better than to make that statement. That is not going to happen. KVS comments about Americans fully explains my position.
The problem is that Americans are
1) Ignorant about the rest of the world (including Canada, which is like part of the USA).
2) High on messianic drivel about being exceptional and having a manifest destiny given to them by God.
The US is a pestilence on the world. They are trying to rule all of it and start endless punitive wars to achieve
this. Nobody gave these clowns any right to do this. They give it to themselves with their claim to phony
moral authority. Every single war they start is to spread "freedom and democracy". But they have been
propping death squad junta tyrannies from Latin America, to Africa to Asia. So their Orwellian spew is grotesque
and obscene. We see more of this in Ukraine, where they installed a collection of Stepan Bandera worshipping
Nazis who are bent on ethnically cleansing the Donbass and the remaining "Russian filth" form their "sacred soil".
The US run western fake stream media is spewing shit about some Russian invasion when the Kiev regime is
openly talking about ethnic cleansing and passing "laws" to classify the residents of the Donbass as criminals.
No way that America should get any sympathy for its bloody hypocrisy and war criminality. It is exceptionally
I hope i put this right in english words, ...
One way or another, Most of us here have our reasons for disliking the U.S.
The U.S government and its corporations who buy politicians and run the country?. absolute evil.
They do not care who get's hurt and what nations get destroyed in the process so a handfull can get even richer over the rest of us peasants.
All opposition to their hegemony should be destroyed at all costs in their eyes.
And i agree, they should pay a price for that. Prefferably by high-velocity lead.
Biological warfare?. lets give the native americans contaminated blankets to an disease they have no resistance against.
Chemical warfare?. Agent orange in vietnam for one, baby's are still born there with heavy birth defects.
Nuclear warfare?. The only country in the world that has to bear the shame of obliterating two cities full of civilians.
Warcrimes?. ...well how long do you have?. better call home to put your dinner in the fridge, you will be here for an while....
But, ...there are people in the U.S itself that know what is going on with their own government and speak out against this.
these people in the U.S are themselves subject to repression by their own government and warmongers.
It is not fair, or moral. to conddemn all people from the U.S to be part of the same monster war machine it's own government is.
They are just treated the same as the rest of us. Silenced by the Media, thrown off social media and painted as traitors to their own country.
I attended for example this mock-nuclear missile launch in the Titan Museum in Arizona once.
the tour guide tried to explain nuclear war in words so he did not get attacked. nobody gave a shit.
untill i opened my big mouth and the tour operator was more than happy to let me explain the consequences of nuclear weapon exchange and effects.
Same for the Pima Air museum where i had an discussion with one of the volunteer guides about Afghanistan. where i voiced critisism on the U.S about Afghanistan.
The mood of the crowd switched from "oooh, an ally!" to "you two oppose the war!?. Reeeeh!" in a second.
There, there is no dialogue. you either are for the war-machine...or you just get branded an traitor and shunned everywhere.
George Orwell's 1984?, yes. it exists. it is the U.S.A.
U.S Foreign policy is indeed like an terminal disease. It corrupts and brings death to anything it touches.
But it should be viewed seperatly from the people itself that oppose it themselves in the U.S.
GarryB has this view as well, if i may be so free to give my understanding on his posts.
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