They are just treated the same as the rest of us. Silenced by the Media, thrown off social media and painted as traitors to their own country."
I use the line that the American people are the first victims of their own state...
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Airbornewolf wrote:andalusia wrote:GarryB wrote:
My take on that cartoon is that the US thinks of itself as a force for good in the world but looking at the effects of their applications of military and also importantly economic sanctions, and the serious damage both inflict on countries all round the world...
"I think the US has to change... it has to stop and think... are we doing this to make our own richest citizens richer, or are we making these places better places to live.... "
and the streams of migrants wanting to get to Europe and the US is pretty conclusive evidence they are not making things better at all... they need to stop... and there is no point telling the US grunt on the front line... they get no say in the matter... sadly during election time the American people need to suck it up and all vote for an independent so the democrats and republicans will realise they have dropped the ball and America has noticed.
It is the system that is the problem and it needs to be changed to be more inclusive... too many rich white old men have too much say, and I don't mean the Presidents because they have little real power as shown by Trumps inability to do very much of what he promised.
Garry B comment: "I think the US has to change... it has to stop and think"
What planet do you live on Garry B? Since you have studied American Foreign Policy and the American people you should know better than to make that statement. That is not going to happen. KVS comments about Americans fully explains my position.
The problem is that Americans are
1) Ignorant about the rest of the world (including Canada, which is like part of the USA).
2) High on messianic drivel about being exceptional and having a manifest destiny given to them by God.
The US is a pestilence on the world. They are trying to rule all of it and start endless punitive wars to achieve
this. Nobody gave these clowns any right to do this. They give it to themselves with their claim to phony
moral authority. Every single war they start is to spread "freedom and democracy". But they have been
propping death squad junta tyrannies from Latin America, to Africa to Asia. So their Orwellian spew is grotesque
and obscene. We see more of this in Ukraine, where they installed a collection of Stepan Bandera worshipping
Nazis who are bent on ethnically cleansing the Donbass and the remaining "Russian filth" form their "sacred soil".
The US run western fake stream media is spewing shit about some Russian invasion when the Kiev regime is
openly talking about ethnic cleansing and passing "laws" to classify the residents of the Donbass as criminals.
No way that America should get any sympathy for its bloody hypocrisy and war criminality. It is exceptionally
evil.
https://beyondhighbrow.com/2021/12/29/all-dissident-or-opposition-media-in-the-us-is-effectively-banned/
I hope i put this right in english words, ...
One way or another, Most of us here have our reasons for disliking the U.S.
The U.S government and its corporations who buy politicians and run the country?. absolute evil.
They do not care who get's hurt and what nations get destroyed in the process so a handfull can get even richer over the rest of us peasants.
All opposition to their hegemony should be destroyed at all costs in their eyes.
And i agree, they should pay a price for that. Prefferably by high-velocity lead.
Biological warfare?. lets give the native americans contaminated blankets to an disease they have no resistance against.
Chemical warfare?. Agent orange in vietnam for one, baby's are still born there with heavy birth defects.
Nuclear warfare?. The only country in the world that has to bear the shame of obliterating two cities full of civilians.
Warcrimes?. ...well how long do you have?. better call home to put your dinner in the fridge, you will be here for an while....
But, ...there are people in the U.S itself that know what is going on with their own government and speak out against this.
these people in the U.S are themselves subject to repression by their own government and warmongers.
It is not fair, or moral. to conddemn all people from the U.S to be part of the same monster war machine it's own government is.
They are just treated the same as the rest of us. Silenced by the Media, thrown off social media and painted as traitors to their own country.
I attended for example this mock-nuclear missile launch in the Titan Museum in Arizona once.
the tour guide tried to explain nuclear war in words so he did not get attacked. nobody gave a shit.
untill i opened my big mouth and the tour operator was more than happy to let me explain the consequences of nuclear weapon exchange and effects.
Same for the Pima Air museum where i had an discussion with one of the volunteer guides about Afghanistan. where i voiced critisism on the U.S about Afghanistan.
The mood of the crowd switched from "oooh, an ally!" to "you two oppose the war!?. Reeeeh!" in a second.
There, there is no dialogue. you either are for the war-machine...or you just get branded an traitor and shunned everywhere.
George Orwell's 1984?, yes. it exists. it is the U.S.A.
U.S Foreign policy is indeed like an terminal disease. It corrupts and brings death anything to anything it touches.
But it should be viewed seperatly from the people itself that oppose it themselves in the U.S.
GarryB has this view as well, if i may be so free to give my understanding on his posts.
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Airbornewolf wrote:i honestly assumed you might be from Andalusia, Spain .
You are right, you would know better than me.
Lets just hope it does not come to conflict.
Airbornewolf wrote:@ andalusia,
Take no offense, but i am not an religious man .
i never was.
I truly believe in self-determination personally.
There should be accountability for one's actions for example.
by belief or not, there should be value's and norms in society.
And you know, trying to be an decent human being...
i myself make mistakes on the way, but nobody is perfect.
that said i do believe in freedom of religion and living your life as you want to.
I decided to read the latest American analytics. Not opinion columns in Bloomberg, the Wall Street Journal,
or the New York Times, but serious (like) professional reports on narrow-profile websites. For example, on the website
of the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS).
So cute. For example, they have a report on the Saudi war in Yemen. It describes how " the Houthis, with the support
of Iran, are intensifying their aggressive attacks against Saudi civilian infrastructure." At the same time, not a word
about the fact thatSaudi Arabia attacked Yemen, and these people are just defending their country from a foreign invasion.
These evil terrorists treacherously dare to defend their Homeland instead of dying democratically. (Joseph) Goebbels from
the depths of hell asks "Why, it was possible?".
...
To begin with, analytics does not tolerate value judgments, emotions, or propaganda cliches. The language of analysis and
the language of propaganda are two different languages. And when people who claim to be strictly analyzed write that
"Russia is resisting the world liberal order" (as it is written, "world liberal order"), then this is, sorry, "get out of the profession".
Similarly, attempts to tell readers that " Russia is creating pockets of instability along its borders." I'm sorry, what? Or rather,
SHTA? Why?! Exactly Russia? Was it Moscow that organized the "color" coups in Ukraine and Georgia? Is it Medvedev who
forced Saakashvili to shell Tskhinvali and try to organize ethnic cleansing?
...
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andalusia wrote:Airbornewolf wrote:andalusia wrote:GarryB wrote:
My take on that cartoon is that the US thinks of itself as a force for good in the world but looking at the effects of their applications of military and also importantly economic sanctions, and the serious damage both inflict on countries all round the world...
"I think the US has to change... it has to stop and think... are we doing this to make our own richest citizens richer, or are we making these places better places to live.... "
and the streams of migrants wanting to get to Europe and the US is pretty conclusive evidence they are not making things better at all... they need to stop... and there is no point telling the US grunt on the front line... they get no say in the matter... sadly during election time the American people need to suck it up and all vote for an independent so the democrats and republicans will realise they have dropped the ball and America has noticed.
It is the system that is the problem and it needs to be changed to be more inclusive... too many rich white old men have too much say, and I don't mean the Presidents because they have little real power as shown by Trumps inability to do very much of what he promised.
Garry B comment: "I think the US has to change... it has to stop and think"
What planet do you live on Garry B? Since you have studied American Foreign Policy and the American people you should know better than to make that statement. That is not going to happen. KVS comments about Americans fully explains my position.
The problem is that Americans are
1) Ignorant about the rest of the world (including Canada, which is like part of the USA).
2) High on messianic drivel about being exceptional and having a manifest destiny given to them by God.
The US is a pestilence on the world. They are trying to rule all of it and start endless punitive wars to achieve
this. Nobody gave these clowns any right to do this. They give it to themselves with their claim to phony
moral authority. Every single war they start is to spread "freedom and democracy". But they have been
propping death squad junta tyrannies from Latin America, to Africa to Asia. So their Orwellian spew is grotesque
and obscene. We see more of this in Ukraine, where they installed a collection of Stepan Bandera worshipping
Nazis who are bent on ethnically cleansing the Donbass and the remaining "Russian filth" form their "sacred soil".
The US run western fake stream media is spewing shit about some Russian invasion when the Kiev regime is
openly talking about ethnic cleansing and passing "laws" to classify the residents of the Donbass as criminals.
No way that America should get any sympathy for its bloody hypocrisy and war criminality. It is exceptionally
evil.
https://beyondhighbrow.com/2021/12/29/all-dissident-or-opposition-media-in-the-us-is-effectively-banned/
I hope i put this right in english words, ...
One way or another, Most of us here have our reasons for disliking the U.S.
The U.S government and its corporations who buy politicians and run the country?. absolute evil.
They do not care who get's hurt and what nations get destroyed in the process so a handfull can get even richer over the rest of us peasants.
All opposition to their hegemony should be destroyed at all costs in their eyes.
And i agree, they should pay a price for that. Prefferably by high-velocity lead.
Biological warfare?. lets give the native americans contaminated blankets to an disease they have no resistance against.
Chemical warfare?. Agent orange in vietnam for one, baby's are still born there with heavy birth defects.
Nuclear warfare?. The only country in the world that has to bear the shame of obliterating two cities full of civilians.
Warcrimes?. ...well how long do you have?. better call home to put your dinner in the fridge, you will be here for an while....
But, ...there are people in the U.S itself that know what is going on with their own government and speak out against this.
these people in the U.S are themselves subject to repression by their own government and warmongers.
It is not fair, or moral. to conddemn all people from the U.S to be part of the same monster war machine it's own government is.
They are just treated the same as the rest of us. Silenced by the Media, thrown off social media and painted as traitors to their own country.
I attended for example this mock-nuclear missile launch in the Titan Museum in Arizona once.
the tour guide tried to explain nuclear war in words so he did not get attacked. nobody gave a shit.
untill i opened my big mouth and the tour operator was more than happy to let me explain the consequences of nuclear weapon exchange and effects.
Same for the Pima Air museum where i had an discussion with one of the volunteer guides about Afghanistan. where i voiced critisism on the U.S about Afghanistan.
The mood of the crowd switched from "oooh, an ally!" to "you two oppose the war!?. Reeeeh!" in a second.
There, there is no dialogue. you either are for the war-machine...or you just get branded an traitor and shunned everywhere.
George Orwell's 1984?, yes. it exists. it is the U.S.A.
U.S Foreign policy is indeed like an terminal disease. It corrupts and brings death anything to anything it touches.
But it should be viewed seperatly from the people itself that oppose it themselves in the U.S.
GarryB has this view as well, if i may be so free to give my understanding on his posts.
I'm American so I know more than you since I live here. There are people here who write about and oppose the CIA and US Foreign Policy however, they are branded as anti-Americans, not patriotic and worst of all Marxists/Communists/Socialists. Another big problem is that many but not all right wingers are critical and suspicious of the Federal government but do not extend that thinking to the US military and foreign policy.
I still think the only countries that can stop the US military is Russia and China. I think the US with its arrogance and overconfidence is going to try to attack Russia in the future and Russia is going to have to go to war with the US. There is simply no way of avoiding it.
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kvs wrote:I recall a teacher, way back in the day decades ago, claim that Russians killed millions of Jews. During the infamous pogroms.
This was before the whole stink about the Holocaust denier teacher (Keegstra, if I recall correctly). I would put both teachers
in the same category. Fictional history peddlers.
I am not surprised that the curriculum is being steered by Ukr Nazis. Canada is a safe refuge for terrorists. This includes Tamil
Tigers, Sikh Calistanis, and other cutthroats. Canada is keeping a menagerie of future agents of influence for the west's imperial
meddling. Canada's Ukr Nazi community successfully f*cked over Ukraine starting long before the collapse of the USSR and
especially after.
The funny thing is that people who manage to find old historical atlases and history books by western authors will not see any
of this fakery that they are being taught. This means that old books need to be purged from libraries to make way for the new
fiction. So Kanada must be effectively engaged in book burning.
BTW, I have an old historical atlas. Libraries do sell of their old (and intact books). I got some nice calculus and algebra textbooks
a long time ago that used to be standard for Canadian high schools during the 1950s. They were on a whole higher plane than the
dumbed down, Mickey mouse crap being taught even during the 1980s.
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miketheterrible wrote:kvs wrote:I recall a teacher, way back in the day decades ago, claim that Russians killed millions of Jews. During the infamous pogroms.
This was before the whole stink about the Holocaust denier teacher (Keegstra, if I recall correctly). I would put both teachers
in the same category. Fictional history peddlers.
I am not surprised that the curriculum is being steered by Ukr Nazis. Canada is a safe refuge for terrorists. This includes Tamil
Tigers, Sikh Calistanis, and other cutthroats. Canada is keeping a menagerie of future agents of influence for the west's imperial
meddling. Canada's Ukr Nazi community successfully f*cked over Ukraine starting long before the collapse of the USSR and
especially after.
The funny thing is that people who manage to find old historical atlases and history books by western authors will not see any
of this fakery that they are being taught. This means that old books need to be purged from libraries to make way for the new
fiction. So Kanada must be effectively engaged in book burning.
BTW, I have an old historical atlas. Libraries do sell of their old (and intact books). I got some nice calculus and algebra textbooks
a long time ago that used to be standard for Canadian high schools during the 1950s. They were on a whole higher plane than the
dumbed down, Mickey mouse crap being taught even during the 1980s.
If you come into any online pages to purchase older books and atlases so I can also have a record copy, please DM me. I would really appreciate it.
Speaking of refuge for terrorists, two of the Air India bombers used to live close to where I lived. You know Arar or whatever his name is, the Syrian who sued the Canadian government for $10M back in the day? was my neighbor. He came over for dinner (him and his wife) and I was kind of sickened honestly with his presents. A lot of them live in British Columbia. For "Ukrainians" (western Ukrainian - Polish knockoffs. I like to call them PUkes (Polish Ukrainians)), most live in Manitoba and Northern Alberta (Edmonton). Mind you, I have seen some drivers around here with the Trident symbol on the back of their car. I called them a bunch of fucking losers. Since I am bigger than they were, they didn't bother to say anything other than get in their car and fucked off. But I gotta watch my mouth, I may get myself into trouble one day with these people.
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