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    Post  kvs Sat Jan 23, 2021 3:12 pm



    This appears to be the default mode of operation of US cops:

    1) A stukach calls them with some frivolous and slanderous complaint.

    2) Police arrive and act as if the claim that brought them out had merit.

    3) Police escalate the situation by acting in an abusive and moronic manner.
    Looks a lot like power tripping to me.

    4) Police invoke the victim of the slander who is not breaking any laws to react.

    5) Police use the reaction to basically attack the victim and man handle him/her
    to carry out an illegal arrest.

    Tesla (Musk's car company) actually pulled the above on a whistle blower and tried to
    carry out an "assassination by cop" by making a false call to the cops that a man
    was armed and dangerous. This would prompt the cops to come out guns blazing
    just to be safe. Somehow the whistleblower managed to survive.

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    Post  PhSt Sat Jan 23, 2021 4:25 pm

    It seems NATzO Propaganda media are clueless about the exact numbers of NATzO Brainwashed vermins who have been arrested for attempting to foment Insurrection  Laughing


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    Post  kvs Sat Jan 23, 2021 5:24 pm

    So Russian police arrested more people than showed up to the protests. Keep on pulling those numbers from the ass you losers.

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    Post  kvs Tue Jan 26, 2021 11:50 am

    https://www.zerohedge.com/commodities/iran-china-caught-red-handed-illicit-oil-transfer-indonesia

    American dirtbags and their "laws". Your f*cking sanctions are not international law you twats. There is nothing
    illicit about China and Iran engaging in any trade. Even if it is related to nuclear weapons technology.

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    Post  miketheterrible Tue Jan 26, 2021 12:01 pm

    https://www.stalkerzone.org/what-the-navalny-headquarters-are-silent-about/

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    So of course Navalny claims 250 - 300 thousand people showed up all over Russia for protests to release him.

    Reality is about 50,000 throughout Russia.

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    Post  kvs Tue Jan 26, 2021 12:11 pm

    So 738 people were temporarily detained during these protests. Not thousands and thousands.
    Out of 49,800 that is 1.5%.

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    Post  magnumcromagnon Tue Jan 26, 2021 7:06 pm

    Freudian slip... Wink
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    Guido's career is smiling upon Navalny, from Don Quixote's Windmill up above.
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    Post  kvs Tue Jan 26, 2021 7:20 pm

    The Navalny project is part of the rabid wishful thinking and fantasy projection rampant in the west when it comes to
    Russia and other issues. These clowns think they can install Navalny into power by getting some lemmings to demonstrate.
    The demonstrations in 2011 were much larger and nothing came of them. With Navalny's theater, every pathetic demonstration
    that is organized and paid for by his NATzO handlers contributes to killing their own project.

    Supposedly Einstein said that attempting the same failed a approach to a problem and expecting a different result is
    the definition of idiocy. Well, that is what NATzO is engaged in. The same rent-a-crowd theater over and over with
    smaller and smaller demonstrators. But Navalny is going to be the new Trotsky and 1917 is going to happen all over
    again.

    Seriously, the Putin palace and $1.3 billion "bribe" drivel is so stupid that it actually turns Russians off. Maybe Tsavo Lion
    thinks it's God's revelation but people with functional brains are insulted by such pap. And Russians worry about their
    own standard of living and not that there are rich people in Russia. In this Putin has delivered big time. "Growing"
    inequality is not kindling for revolution or regime change in Russia. The only thing that NATzO planners can hope to
    leverage is some hypothetical group of pseudo-oligarchs who went underground after Putin "repressed" Khodorkovsky
    and Berezovsky. The problem for NATzO daydreamers is that such clowns ran off to the west (UK, Spain, etc.)
    over 15 years ago. They are in no position to be staging any coups in Russia. And Russia's army and security
    services are loyal to the government and not to two bit 5th column trash. The reason that Putin ascended to power
    in 1999 was because the army, fsb and other "siloviki" run parts of the government did not sell Russia out. They
    managed to get rid of the corrupt banana republic occupation regime of Yeltsin. But now they are weak? Keep
    living in the bubble of wishful thinking and fantasy projection you fcuking morons.

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    Post  andalusia Thu Jan 28, 2021 2:16 am

    I just recently found this on a website, I thought that US readiness was top notch but this report says differently.  


    Do you guys believe this?

    http://www.politicsforum.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=173762

    https://www.defensenews.com/naval/2018/06/06/troubling-us-navy-review-finds-widespread-shortfalls-in-basic-seamanship/

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    Post  LMFS Thu Jan 28, 2021 3:59 pm

    A candid admission by Michael Kofman of Russia Military Analysis, credit to him for speaking the truth thumbsup

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    https://twitter.com/KofmanMichael/status/1354787377143808005/photo/1

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    Post  PhSt Fri Jan 29, 2021 12:31 am

    So NBC has regurgitated a propaganda piece about Russia's so-called "Invasion" of Alaska in 1804. The article as usual is filled with typical NATzO bias, but I find it funny how they emphasized and portrayed Russia as some sort of evil imperialist power that is out to steal indigenous lands as if the US is not the biggest occupier of native indigenous territory. The hypocrisy in this hit piece is simply outrageous Laughing Laughing Laughing

    I'm pretty sure there are more than a dozen indigenous forts that we're built to Repel British and American invaders, but obviously, NBC is not interested in making a story about it  Rolling Eyes


    'Lost' Indigenous fort built to repel Russia rediscovered in Alaska

    Archaeologists have discovered traces of a 200-year-old wooden fort in southeastern Alaska built by Indigenous people to resist an invasion by Imperial Russia.

    The discovery confirms the events of the 1804 invasion by Russia, which went on to govern parts of Alaska as a colony for 60 years until 1867, when it was purchased by the United States.

    It’s also of cultural importance to the indigenous Tlingit people, and especially to those of the Kiks.adi, or Frog clan, whose ancestors defended the fort near the town of Sitka on Baranof Island in what's known as the Alaskan Panhandle, and who now regard it as a symbol of their resistance to colonialism.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/science/science-news/lost-indigenous-fort-repel-russia-rediscovered-alaska-n1255537

    So whatever happened to their resistance to American colonialism?

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    Post  GarryB Fri Jan 29, 2021 12:45 am

    I just recently found this on a website, I thought that US readiness was top notch but this report says differently.

    You could argue the old cliche that any combat ready force will fail all their tests and any force that passes all its tests with flying colours will fail in real combat...

    But in any large organisations there will be problems with focus and performance... especially an organisation intended for a purpose it never gets to practise... when was the US military actually used to defend the US... people and country...

    In comparison even in Syria Russian troops are aware that the terrorists and nutters they are fighting include Russians that will go home to Russia and cause chaos of they are not dealt with in Syria.

    The Americans in Syria know they are just there to stir the pot and annoy Russia.

    The irony is that Americans often claim Russia just makes choices and does things to upset the west in general and the US in particular... like they don't have interests of their own and just try to spoil Americas rule of the world, yet in fact the reverse is true... America will fight to give the Albanians their own country just to upset Serbia and therefore also Russia, and will support head chopping terrorists in Syria to overthrow Assad because he is friends with Russia too.


    So whatever happened to their resistance to American colonialism?

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    Post  kvs Fri Jan 29, 2021 1:39 am

    Since America loves its aboriginals so much will it restore all the treaties it tore up during the 1960s?
    That is a litmus test and some phony fort is pathetic effort at revisionism.

    I know something about Canadian and US history and there were never any aboriginal forts. This is the
    first time I hear of something like this and 1804 is way too early for the aboriginals to have even tried
    to building these European constructs. This is likely a Russian fort that could have been taken over
    by hostile local aboriginals. But then the French and English both had plenty of hostile encounters
    with aboriginals.

    Unlike Russia, they managed to sick aboriginals against each other. For example, the French-British
    rivalry lead to the genocide of the Hurons by the Iroquois. Russia never sent in military detachments
    to suppress aboriginals unlike the USA that "won" most of its territory by ethnically cleansing and slaughtering
    aboriginals. There was always some pretext to send punitive army units to "teach them injuns a lesson".

    Before listening to any US fake stream media drivel, people should get the viewpoint of the surviving
    aboriginals in North America. But be careful to not to listen to the compradors whose livelihoods
    depend on toeing the party line.

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    Post  Backman Fri Jan 29, 2021 1:48 am

    kvs wrote:https://www.zerohedge.com/commodities/iran-china-caught-red-handed-illicit-oil-transfer-indonesia

    American dirtbags and their "laws".   Your f*cking sanctions are not international law you twats.   There is nothing
    illicit about China and Iran engaging in any trade.   Even if it is related to nuclear weapons technology.  


    The sanctions themselves that are illegal as far as the UN goes.
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    Post  Backman Fri Jan 29, 2021 2:06 am

    I lifted a couple sentences out of a news clip posted in the India/Russia thread. I think its translated Russian. See the bolded.

    So there are actual media campaigns against Russian fighters in the press ? It sure looks like it. At least one is confirmed in India. This must be where all of that utter hogwash about the alleged deficiencies of the Pak Fa came from when the FGFA was cancelled. A media disinfo campaign. Nothing more.

    For urgent replenishment of the ranks of their own Air Force, which had noticeably thinned after the write-off of very old MiGs and Mirages, they chose Russian technology. This happened after having pretty much tormented with Rafals and having organized, at the suggestion of the Americans, a whole campaign against Russian fighters in the press, at some point the Indians suddenly realized that an old friend is always better than new ones, especially when a freshly baked "strategic partner" immediately starts "friendship" with blackmail and hysterics.

    Russia is asleep at the switch. The su 57 is an international product. Russia should be filing libel lawsuits and fighting back.

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    Post  miketheterrible Fri Jan 29, 2021 2:49 am

    When it comes to this, it's up to the companies. The companies lack a pr group and won't bother with lawsuits.
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    Post  kvs Fri Jan 29, 2021 3:41 am

    But will Indian courts even properly handle any Russian business related lawsuit?   America is great because all the rotten lickspittles
    around the world grovel before it.   Russia is too weak to play by any rules, it will be ignored or humiliated.   For example, the police
    officer fingered by Browder as corrupt and "setting up Magnitsky and Browder" tried to sue Browder for libel and slander in a UK
    court.   The judge simply dismissed the case.   At the same time we have kangaroo "retrials" of the Yukos case by some Dutch
    arbitration tribunal when it has no such authority and jurisdiction.   Using MSM fakes as evidence we get these clown-ass judges
    awarding $50 billion US to the foreign shareholders of Yukos.   I'd like to see this Dutch kangaroo court ever hear any case for and
    award victims of US capricious business and legislative action.    

    So it is too easy to say that Russia is doing too little to save its image.   It never gets a chance.   If faces the rotten NATzO alliance
    pack with its utter hypocrisy and a collection of weak states that can be cowed into submission with threats of sanctions and bribes
    by NATzO.   That is why Russia's allies are its army, air force and navy.

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    Post  Backman Fri Jan 29, 2021 11:13 am

    I am not sure about India. But a Russian company can file a civil lawsuit against say Business Insider in the US, for libel and defamation. If such material exists and it does.

    I don't know much about legal but I've just heard of this happening in other sectors. It's a bit far fetched I guess. But it's just true that Sukhois product has been harmed.
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    Post  kvs Fri Jan 29, 2021 12:53 pm

    Just as in the UK, a US judge can dismiss any case that has the potential to make the US and its pals look bad. There
    are no absolutes in this business. When people talk about rights, they have no idea what they are going on about.
    At the end of the day your rights can be removed on the whim of people making all the decisions. And such people
    actually exist and have real power.

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    Post  GarryB Sat Jan 30, 2021 1:08 am

    It is OK, most serious customers do more than just look through yellow rags to learn about potential new products, and have contacts to directly ask about any myths or pretend problems that might be doing the rounds.

    The penalty for the stupid countries who fall for such bullshit is that they get to spent 10 times more on stuff that is not as good, but not just 10 times more on vehicles, but also 10 times more on weapons and support... just don't think all that money buys you support because it does not... they will drop you like a hot potato if they don't think it is in their interests to get burned hands... which is most of the time.

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    Post  magnumcromagnon Sat Jan 30, 2021 2:30 pm

    Bell-End Cat exposed:
    Bellingcat was somewhat discredited, both by spreading disinformation itself, and by being willing to produce reports for anyone willing to pay." -Leaked UK Foreign Office document.

    https://www.pdf-archive.com/2019/03/22/untitled-pdf-document-1/?

    https://twitter.com/aaronjmate/status/1355233041514459136

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    Post  magnumcromagnon Sat Jan 30, 2021 2:33 pm

    LMFS wrote:A candid admission by Michael Kofman of Russia Military Analysis, credit to him for speaking the truth  thumbsup

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    https://twitter.com/KofmanMichael/status/1354787377143808005/photo/1
    For those of us who have started studying military technology without an engineering background.

    (Limited to the air domain for practical reasons)
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    https://twitter.com/Mauro_Gilli/status/1355105798016397315
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    Post  kvs Sat Jan 30, 2021 3:39 pm

    Anything to do with policy attracts all sorts of hacks. For example areas of physics such as mercury in the environment (transport,
    chemistry, microphysics, surface physics) attracts half-assed morons who dilute the quality of the research. Other areas that
    are not as directly linked to policy have higher merit levels.

    But of course, there is another limit and that is cosmology, astrophysics and GR which are mostly speculative hot air posing as
    revealed truth. So scientists are not all squeaky clean even if they engage in ivory tower research.

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    Post  LMFS Sat Jan 30, 2021 6:40 pm

    At least the idea is dawning on some of the defence policy guys, that they don't know shit and that they better keep quiet a bit. That is already a step in the right direction and the kind of mentality that is needed in the West...
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Sat Jan 30, 2021 7:29 pm

    "Quickly and Suddenly": The USA has developed a scenario of a NATO preemptive strike on the Kaliningrad region
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    The US Naval Analytical Center (Center for Naval Analyzes) has developed a scenario of a "preemptive strike" on the Kaliningrad region, involving the elimination of four main components of the enclave's defense. Writes about this Over Defense.


    According to this scenario, the main task of destroying military targets and seizing territory rests with NATO forces, represented mainly by the Polish army, which must act "quickly and suddenly".

    For the operation to succeed, NATO units will need to destroy the four defenses of the Russian enclave. First of all, the Iskander-M launchers should be destroyed in order to prevent Russia from launching a "tactical nuclear war." To destroy them, it is proposed to use the experience of the destruction of the Iraqi Scuds.

    The second target is the ships and infrastructure of the Baltic fleet, which must be struck with anti-ship missiles and long-range howitzers. This is a "long-term" task, so you first need to lock the fleet at the bases and then take action to destroy it.

    The third target is the S-400 anti-aircraft missile systems, capable of controlling the airspace over half of Poland's territory. For the destruction of anti-aircraft systems, it is proposed to strike with MLRS.

    The elimination of the Russian zone of restriction and denial of access and maneuver opens the skies for air strikes against forces trapped in the Kaliningrad boiler, eliminating heavy equipment and causing irreparable damage to the defensive capabilities of mobile motorized units.

    - experts plan.

    And the fourth task is to destroy the remaining forces in the region "to ensure security in the Baltic states and the Suwalki corridor."

    At the same time, it is emphasized that the best Polish military units numbering 30 thousand soldiers must participate in the rapid offensive. However, they may face difficulties in overcoming the terrain and come under fire from Russian artillery.

    Any action that weakened the Russian military in the early days of any conflict could be critical to the future of the war in Central Europe.

    - experts say, while noting that full-scale military operations in the Kaliningrad region are "unlikely" today.

    https://en.topwar.ru/179534-bystro-i-vnezapno-v-ssha-razrabotali-scenarij-preventivnogo-udara-nato-po-kaliningradskoj-oblasti.html

    The Polish military as the main backbone for this preemptive strike operation lmao?!?! lol1 Rolling Eyes Embarassed clown pwnd

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