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    Post  miketheterrible Sat Oct 31, 2020 6:55 pm

    Novaya Gazeta isn't in russia. It's in Latvia I think.

    But yeah, they got journalists in Russia and they should be banned from journalism.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Mon Nov 02, 2020 7:36 am

    LMFS wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:The Spaniard Don Quixote govt. is now claiming VVP personally sent soldiers to secure Catalan independence! lol1 clown

    https://twitter.com/Russ_Warrior/status/1321527366364073984

    This is the way to earn easy points with their masters and they never had any dignity, so there you go... the world is going terminally demented

    They went as far saying as VVP sent a whopping 10,000 soldiers to secure Catalan independence lmao! lol1 If Russia sent 10k soldiers in to Europe then the whole continent would be conquered, with all the major cities reduced to craters and rubble lol! clown pwnd
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    Post  LMFS Tue Nov 03, 2020 3:26 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:They went as far saying as VVP sent a whopping 10,000 soldiers to secure Catalan independence lmao! lol1 If Russia sent 10k soldiers in to Europe then the whole continent would be conquered, with all the major cities reduced to craters and rubble lol! clown pwnd

    To be fair the judge apparently just said there were recordings mentioning that possibility, but the utter absurdity of such claims should have never made it to the media in a sane world. Since we cannot think straight anymore, we are irremediably going down the drain. Better a terrible end that terror without end, me thinks...
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    Post  kvs Tue Nov 03, 2020 4:03 pm

    There is a Russian saying: na vore shapka gorit, or the hat burns on the thief. It means the thief is paranoid about being caught
    and knows he is guilty. The Spanish are showing exactly this behaviour. It is a vassal of the USA which was openly supporting
    secessionists in Russia and the USSR. So they expect retribution. I do not think this is just some lame smear, it really is their
    paranoia that Russia will dish out payback. Of course these slimeballs deserve it, but Russia has no interested in touching the
    NATzO turd pile.
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    Post  GarryB Wed Nov 04, 2020 2:02 am

    In the west the enemy is always guilty of committing the crimes you commit... that way when it is revealed the west was doing it too it seems normal, when in fact the west has been doing some nasty shit for all of its existence... there is a visible track record, but with Russian hackers or Putins poison victims there is no actual evidence... just highly likely till investigation proves it was not true.

    The punishments inflicted based on the false assumption are never lifted... they don't even get an apology...
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    Post  kvs Thu Nov 05, 2020 12:05 am



    So now Sri Lanka has decided to send back trash from the UK which in the UK is counted as "recycled".
    This waste also includes body parts and other biowaste.

    I do not understand the inanity of the west. All biowaste can be processed domestically. It does not need to be
    buried like nuclear "waste". There are these things called bacteria that will do wonders if given the right environment.
    The could try pulping the biowaste and then aerating it until there is nothing left but calcium carbonate and refractory
    organics. In this form it is not longer a hazard and can be buried in much smaller volume pits.

    I guess the rich west ain't so rich after all.



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    Post  magnumcromagnon Fri Nov 06, 2020 1:07 pm

    VVP already said he doesn't want to catch the cold at your funeral.
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    ...And already rebuked, he may even be petty enough to run for the 2024 election to spite them:

    Putin not planning to resign, Kremlin says

    Why would he resign? He speaks clearly and doesn't move or act funny (compare that to Killary), nothing suggests he has any geriatric related diseases. To top it all off, he's 68 but he could pass for 48 easily if you didn't know better.
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    Post  LMFS Fri Nov 06, 2020 2:13 pm

    Compared to lunatic Trump with 74 and demented Biden with 78 he is both healthier and younger, but still they have to smear him clown

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    Post  thegopnik Fri Nov 06, 2020 4:42 pm

    Trying to make it sound like Joe Biden is going to punish the big bad Russian leader when he is elected which is the hype of the media. But in reality his son and probably him can be easily bribed by foreign countries and overall I am not expecting much other than more sanctions, do random shit in Syria, etc, etc. same dance and routine as before.
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    Post  GarryB Sat Nov 07, 2020 1:52 am

    Biden will just do as the people who fund him tell him.

    With the Democrats in charge I rather doubt they could be much worse towards Russia than Trump has been... which is a good thing for Russia... it is teaching them to go their own way instead of trying to follow the west.
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Sat Nov 07, 2020 1:59 am

    GarryB wrote:Biden will just do as the people who fund him tell him.

    With the Democrats in charge I rather doubt they could be much worse towards Russia than Trump has been... which is a good thing for Russia... it is teaching them to go their own way instead of trying to follow the west.

    I mean if we go by facts Trump has been harder on Russia than any other US president in history has applied the most sanctions, never conducted a single proper visit with Putin etc, has pulled out of more treaties with Russia than any president.

    Has forced NATO members to increase military spending against Russia.
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    Post  LMFS Sat Nov 07, 2020 2:21 am

    Democrats or rather the establishment behind them were quite smart to pre-empt any rapprochement by means of the Russophrenia they unleashed. Trump wants supremacy every bit as much as any of the rest of those bastards but he has actually acted in a more egoistic way detrimental to the empire and has not started new wars unlike any of his predecessors. The split in the deep state is quite obvious to the point under Trump the US has stopped having anything that could be called "foreign policy". Not trying to make excuses for Trump which is scum but there were indeed reasons for certain things that have been done and don't fit too well with the logic of what he seems to be trying to do. Still think the Russian periphery is going to be set on fire with Biden if he finally is elected, ukros are already ramping up bombing of Donbass as sort of anticipated celebration.
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    Post  miketheterrible Sat Nov 07, 2020 2:36 am

    LMFS wrote:Democrats or rather the establishment behind them were quite smart to pre-empt any rapprochement by means of the Russophrenia they unleashed. Trump wants supremacy every bit as much as any of the rest of those bastards but he has actually acted in a more egoistic way detrimental to the empire and has not started new wars unlike any of his predecessors. The split in the deep state is quite obvious to the point under Trump the US has stopped having anything that could be called "foreign policy". Not trying to make excuses for Trump which is scum but there were indeed reasons for certain things that have been done and don't fit too well with the logic of what he seems to be trying to do. Still think the Russian periphery is going to be set on fire with Biden if he finally is elected, ukros are already ramping up bombing of Donbass as sort of anticipated celebration.

    Ukro's is all Biden has. Democrats do have the idea that they will try to surround Russia and cause trouble within Russia. But I believe with the changes in the laws recently, Russia may not sit idle this time. They may start funneling weapons and such to the eastern Ukrainians to fight Kiev.
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    Post  LMFS Sat Nov 07, 2020 3:17 am

    miketheterrible wrote:Ukro's is all Biden has. Democrats do have the idea that they will try to surround Russia and cause trouble within Russia.  But I believe with the changes in the laws recently, Russia may not sit idle this time.  They may start funneling weapons and such to the eastern Ukrainians to fight Kiev.

    Yes, that is the good thing of playing strategically and not been a dickhead, over-confident enemies implicitly think Russia is still weak and hence shying away from any conflict, but one fine day a crushing blow is delivered that leaves everyone asking themselves what has happened. That is what awaits ukros sooner or later, since it seems they want to repeat and improve the Crimean debacle.
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    Post  kvs Sat Nov 07, 2020 6:32 am

    LMFS wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:Ukro's is all Biden has. Democrats do have the idea that they will try to surround Russia and cause trouble within Russia.  But I believe with the changes in the laws recently, Russia may not sit idle this time.  They may start funneling weapons and such to the eastern Ukrainians to fight Kiev.

    Yes, that is the good thing of playing strategically and not been a dickhead, over-confident enemies implicitly think Russia is still weak and hence shying away from any conflict, but one fine day a crushing blow is delivered that leaves everyone asking themselves what has happened. That is what awaits ukros sooner or later, since it seems they want to repeat and improve the Crimean debacle.

    The underestimation of Russia goes much deeper.   It all starts with denigration and dehumanization.   This began in the wake
    of the Schism around 1000 years ago and Russian Orthodox were smeared ever since then.   Europe also later developed a syndrome
    against Russia because it could not get lebensraum in the east.   It had to literally sail overseas to get it.    This syndrome
    of course involves access to cheap resources.    The result was the crusades involving the Knights of the Teutonic Order,
    the attempt at regime change during the Time of the Troubles and demonization of Ivan Grozniy (the English translation is
    not correct see below), and later Napoleon and Hitler.   Both thought Russia would be a cakewalk and their losses were fobbed
    off as the fault of General Winter.   Since Russians could obviously never defeat superior western lifeforms.  

    During the Cold War this schizophrenic belittling and fear mongering about some Russian threat continued.   The post 1990
    weakness was just "the expected thing" and we see how western "leaders" got caught sleeping at the wheel since they never
    saw the recovery in Russia coming.   Just like Hitler and Napoleon today's NATzO deciders assume that Russia is a pushover.
    It is hard to interpret their drivel about limited nuclear war and "putting Russia in its place" without accepting that they really
    have no clue what they are dealing with.   This ignorance is willful and based on bigotry and a species of anti-Slav racism.
    (There is no "white race").  

    Ukraine is overestimated as a useful tool against Russia.   It's imploding economy and Russia's spectacular import substitution that
    nullified Ukr dependence has removed most of its value.   The idea that it will be some military asset is deluded.   America will
    be glassed no matter what it tries to pull in Ukraine.    This includes deployment of ABM systems and bases.   Using Ukrainians
    as some sort of infiltration asset is deluded as well.   America already has access to all the meat puppets it needs but still can't
    sabotage Russia from the inside.

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    The translation of "Ivan the Terrible" into Russian is "Ivan Uzashniy" but "uzashniy is not interchangeable with "grozniy" which
    has a context of "looming storm". In Russian "groza" means thunderstorm. I have never read or heard thunderstorms described
    as "terrible" unless it involves some sort of damage in their wake. And the word "threatening" fails to give the right connotation.

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    Post  jhelb Sat Nov 07, 2020 9:04 am

    GarryB wrote:With the Democrats in charge I rather doubt they could be much worse towards Russia than Trump has been... which is a good thing for Russia... it is teaching them to go their own way instead of trying to follow the west.
    The current propaganda doing the rounds across the West is that Putin is suffering from Parkinson's and is stepping down.
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Sat Nov 07, 2020 10:10 am

    jhelb wrote:
    GarryB wrote:With the Democrats in charge I rather doubt they could be much worse towards Russia than Trump has been... which is a good thing for Russia... it is teaching them to go their own way instead of trying to follow the west.
    The current propaganda doing the rounds across the West is that Putin is suffering from Parkinson's and is stepping down.
    I believe this is just bullshit  (also the news was reported by the sun, it is not really a trustworthy sourc), the news of his failing health (or of a putsch against him and the fact that he is in a prison in the Cremlin, etc) comes every now and then. He recently was available for a long (about 3 hours) Q&A session at valdai forum, so also the allegation are false.

    It is also possible that he and his main ministers are in high alert, in case something really foolish comes from the US: e.g a new american civil war, or biden intervening directly against Russia in Ukraine or in the south Caucasus and in Syria...


    Anyway, even if Putin had to leave, there are many competent people who can replace him in the present ... the only problem is that the best of them have all practically the same age as Putin (shoigu, lavrov, etc)

    Mishustin, the prime minister, is also not bad, and in the meantime they can prepare a promising 40 something-year-old or two so that they are ready for 2024, perhaps serving as governors in some region until 2023 and then their final year as prime minister.

    One very interesting person for 2024 is Alexey Dyumin, the 48 years old  3 star general that is the governor of Tula since 2016. In 2015 he was deputy defense minister..  He was commander of the presidential guard, and in 2014 he was the deputy director of GRU, the military special forces and was one of the main responsible for the return of Crimea to Russia.
    Not bad...

    For the future that could be also Mikhail Degtyarev, a 39years old engineer that have been in politics already for a few years, just recently started working as interim governor of Khabarovsk (replacing the arrested Furgal until new regional elections).

    So I doubt that Putin will have to leave early, but even if that should happen, there are competent people that could replace him and that would not sell their land in exchange of smiles, like Gorbachev,  Eltsin or Shevardnaze.

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    Post  kvs Sat Nov 07, 2020 4:31 pm

    Unlike some tyrant, Putin does not remove rivals. The only reason that there are no popular alternatives is because the 5th column mass
    media is too busy focusing on Putin and Russia as evil incarnate and brow beating Russians instead of giving exposure to real alternatives.
    Navalny and other such clowns are clearly not viable alternatives but these clowns also get way too much attention. Their NATzO
    owners are caught in a delusional spasm where they think that hoax poisonings and "martyrdom" will elevate these stooges to relevance.

    As far as "state run" MSM in Russia, it focuses on all the relevant faces and the stooges as well. So it is not filtering anyone out.
    But in politics, passivity is not going to get you anywhere.

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    Post  GarryB Sun Nov 08, 2020 3:16 am

    I mean if we go by facts Trump has been harder on Russia than any other US president in history has applied the most sanctions, never conducted a single proper visit with Putin etc, has pulled out of more treaties with Russia than any president.

    Has forced NATO members to increase military spending against Russia.

    Very true, but more an indication of how stupid Trump is... his plan going in to the 2016 election was better relations with Russia, and they goaded him into essentially doing the opposite... he is just too easy to manipulate, and too unreliable to talk to... one day he says something and the next day he says he misspoke and meant the opposite of what he said... how can you talk to such people in any meaningful way.

    Of course all the Russia hackers and Russiagate shit the dems put Trump through for his term in office with no evidence but now they say there is no evidence of election fraud this time... is that because there wasn't enough fraud last time to get Hillary elected but enough this time to get Biden elected... because to a democrat it is clearly a case of if we win then there was no fraud at all, but if we lose it is because of fraud.

    The funny thing about fraud is that it will be there if you look hard enough... but they only look when they lose...

    Still think the Russian periphery is going to be set on fire with Biden if he finally is elected, ukros are already ramping up bombing of Donbass as sort of anticipated celebration.

    Indeed... Syria and Ukraine were games played by the democrats, so they will come back in to play again no doubt, and I am sure there are plenty of gas supplying supporters in Bidens camp that want Nord Stream II stopped too.

    Just more of the same but this time the US media will praise everything the whitehouse does or does not do... instead of condemning it like they have over the last few years.

    Biden was criticising Trump rallys in this time of Covid... wonder if he will tell his own people to not celebrate in groups of more than 10 people and keep their social distancing... he said he would handle such things much better than Trump... this will be an interesting early test.

    But I believe with the changes in the laws recently, Russia may not sit idle this time. They may start funneling weapons and such to the eastern Ukrainians to fight Kiev.

    The US and EU are openly arming and training the Kievs forces... I see no reason why Russia cannot do the same for democracy loving groups in the east of the ukraine...

    The idea that it will be some military asset is deluded. America will
    be glassed no matter what it tries to pull in Ukraine. This includes deployment of ABM systems and bases.

    I suspect the point is it is a focus away from the US that is totally expendable.... they can play all sorts of shit games through their idiot proxies in Ukraine and Poland and the Baltic states and I doubt they would lose a second of sleep if they got some pushback... any move against Russia on behalf of the US is an action of peace loving democracies against an evil aggressive Russian empire, but reactions from Russia is just further proof that they are the bad guys and opposition to them is justified.

    I mean HATO had to move its military bases to the Russian borders because Russia is moving its military within its own borders to the arctic and far east and potentially opening up the country to more efficient exploitation... like the railroads and air traffic opened up both sides of the US...

    The current propaganda doing the rounds across the West is that Putin is suffering from Parkinson's and is stepping down.

    Well in the Wizard of Oz when Dorothy arrives she kills one of the wicked witches when her house lands on her (Trump)... obviously... all Dorothy (Biden) needs to do is throw water on Putin and he will be gone too... what a world what a world... the only real problem with the story is that Hilary should have been Dorothy.... and that it is all bullshit.

    Unlike some tyrant, Putin does not remove rivals. The only reason that there are no popular alternatives is because the 5th column mass
    media is too busy focusing on Putin and Russia as evil incarnate and brow beating Russians instead of giving exposure to real alternatives.
    Navalny and other such clowns are clearly not viable alternatives but these clowns also get way too much attention. Their NATzO
    owners are caught in a delusional spasm where they think that hoax poisonings and "martyrdom" will elevate these stooges to relevance.

    But the idea that Putin is the only real threat from Russia needs to be created... otherwise Americans might start to wonder why their two choices for president in 2020 was between two rich white men over 70 years old...
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    Post  kvs Sun Nov 08, 2020 5:23 pm

    People around the world should grow some spine and IQ.   Selling yourself into servitude with some BS American "dream" and
    swallowing the BS about how great life is in the USA is for losers who deserve their fate.   Like the Ukr morons who thought
    that they would all be rich like the richest Europeans just by associating with the EU and pissing on Russia.   These retards
    deserve the daily dish of steaming excrement they have to eat.  

    I think that slowly people are buying a clue.   But it is only slowly.

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    Post  magnumcromagnon Sun Nov 08, 2020 6:04 pm

    kvs wrote:People around the world should grow some spine and IQ.   Selling yourself into servitude with some BS American "dream" and
    swallowing the BS about how great life is in the USA is for losers who deserve their fate.   Like the Ukr morons who thought
    that they would all be rich like the richest Europeans just by associating with the EU and pissing on Russia.   These retards
    deserve the daily dish of steaming excrement they have to eat.  

    I think that slowly people are buying a clue.   But it is only slowly.

    The irony is that these Westerner's aren't really that rich, take the Norwegian's...they get 'paid' over 90k a year and are put on every quality of life index propaganda diagram, but they're taxed up to their ears to the tune of something like 80% of their income. pwnd Meanwhile the Federation has a 13% flat income tax, and has a actually efficient universal healthcare system, and a respected universal education system that produces real tangible educational results. When I start seeing Norwegians with a viable space program I'll start taking their universal education seriously.

    Let's not forget the fake wealth dichotomy here in America. You have to "fake it to make it" mentality which isn't strictly limited to Hollywood. This mental illness has infected every square-inch of American society. You wouldn't believe how many people I've seen have expensive fancy cars, but live in apartments or worse squaller residents. Idiots! Rolling Eyes Automotive vehicles are depreciating assets that lose value over time, while homes/real estate appreciates over time especially if you invest in repairs and remodeling.

    We can't forget the fake rich people with a fancy car and a mansion, but have massive debt and negative net worth. There was a study from over 10 years ago that showed 'Rich' people were far less likely to pay off loans/debts, compared to poor people who take micro-loans. But then again can you blame them? Uncle Scam brainwashes people thinking that massive debt doesn't facilitate negative net worth, just look at the national debt which will be hitting $30 trillion Dollars soon with no chance of ever getting paid off!

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    Post  AlfaT8 Sun Nov 08, 2020 6:12 pm

    kvs wrote:People around the world should grow some spine and IQ.   Selling yourself into servitude with some BS American "dream" and
    swallowing the BS about how great life is in the USA is for losers who deserve their fate.   Like the Ukr morons who thought
    that they would all be rich like the richest Europeans just by associating with the EU and pissing on Russia.   These retards
    deserve the daily dish of steaming excrement they have to eat.  

    I think that slowly people are buying a clue.   But it is only slowly.

    Yea, i was watching these Maidan nonsense going on the BBC trying to make it look like the peoples revolt and sh%t, then a guys litterally told the reporter that they want to bring Europe to Ukraine.
    Those idiots were complete F'ing retards, the economic,trade and business dependence on Russia was not out of Force or Corruption, but simple economic reality.
    Would the French use Ukrainian engines, would the British use Ukr. power tools, would the Germans use Ukr. Thermals, NO.

    The hell were they thinking, even the EU vs EEU deal which started this mess was clear cut, Russia and China were offering $15 Billion, while the EU didn't even offer $1 Bill, like WTF.
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    Post  miketheterrible Sun Nov 08, 2020 6:16 pm

    This is a growing problem though. Stupidity of people. Russia isn't in short supply of these morons. Keeping them alive and well is a disaster.

    These are people who have no love for their country, nor a brain on their shoulders.

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    Post  GarryB Mon Nov 09, 2020 9:10 am

    The hell were they thinking, even the EU vs EEU deal which started this mess was clear cut, Russia and China were offering $15 Billion, while the EU didn't even offer $1 Bill, like WTF.

    I seem to remember it was 7.5 billion in loans from the EU vs 15 billion in investments from Russia alone... Chinese investments were extra... and the guy making the decision was pro EU and anti Russian but he still rejected the EU offer because it was obviously the worst choice for Ukraine...
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    Post  miketheterrible Mon Nov 09, 2020 10:57 am

    Understand this though - Slavic nations have some kind of mental issue. They honestly believe, a huge portion of its citizens, that life outside of Russia is all grand. Yeah, Russia has hardships, but like everyone.

    So, they all think that by shitting on their own country, and being invaded or ruled by US, somehow their lives will be better.

    When told to these same people that this was the case of the 90's, they turn around and try to lie by saying "well, for me it was better". When asked how, they said the ruble was stronger vs the dollar. When you point out to them that cost of goods in the country are in rubles, wages changed to reflect valuation within country (inflation), then those nominal GDP calculations mean nothing, they just outright attack you afterwards.

    Problem is too, Russia, Belarus, etc all have this issue. Citizens are never happy and forever complaining especially online.

    Which makes it hilarious that they all have access to the internet and western social media sites where they all complain about living in poverty and destitution.

    Then, these same people end up creating coups on behest of US.

    Like all those people who fled Ukraine to Russia and when interviewed, complained that "this wasn't what I protested for". Gee Whiz, so you destroy your country and move to Russia which you protested your country to move away from and now bitching about how bad Ukraine is now.

    These same people will ultimately destroy Russia too. Already happening.

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