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    The Situation in the Ukraine. #29

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    Post  franco Fri Apr 16, 2021 5:15 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:Yeah, I would not take that tweet seriously.

    of course, lets say it is true, then the Russians would, in reality, have zero choices but to invade.

    Ukraine getting nukes would be far too dangerous to allow happen.

    Almost like a Harold Coyle novel...
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    Post  JohninMK Fri Apr 16, 2021 5:38 pm

    Su-57 5th Gen Fighter
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    Meanwhile in Eastern #Ukraine
    In @Donetsk
    region, the SMM recorded 118 ceasefire violations, including 24 undetermined explosions

    In #Luhansk region - 13


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    Post  auslander Fri Apr 16, 2021 7:21 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:Yeah, I would not take that tweet seriously.

    of course, lets say it is true, then the Russians would, in reality, have zero choices but to invade.

    Ukraine getting nukes would be far too dangerous to allow happen.
    Image orcland with nukes. Yeah, that'll work.

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    Post  Backman Fri Apr 16, 2021 7:52 pm

    MiddleKingdomer wrote:Turkish TB2 drones wrecked havoc in Artsakh but this time around they will have difficulty in Donbas which is in far better situation than Artsakh.

    That again , is a total understatement. The Turkish drones would be a non factor if hostilities broke out. They would not even deploy them. What would be the point ?

    The Artsakh war was basically lost on purpose by a color revolutionary. Artsakh wasn't their first rodeo either. They were in Syria and Libya and there was no hype

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    Post  thedrunkengeneral Fri Apr 16, 2021 9:19 pm

    Backman wrote:
    MiddleKingdomer wrote:Turkish TB2 drones wrecked havoc in Artsakh but this time around they will have difficulty in Donbas which is in far better situation than Artsakh.

    That again , is a total understatement. The Turkish drones would be a non factor if hostilities broke out. They would not even deploy them. What would be the point ?

    The Artsakh war was basically lost on purpose by a color revolutionary. Artsakh wasn't their first rodeo either. They were in Syria and Libya and there was no hype

    To be fair Armenians fought bravely but they were no match for Azerbaijan which has 3 times the population, vastly superior military hardware, a much bigger economy, and far more international support. 4,000+ Armenian soldiers fell in battle compared to nearly 3,000 Azerbaijani soldiers fell in battle.

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    Post  JohninMK Fri Apr 16, 2021 9:48 pm

    thedrunkengeneral wrote:
    To be fair Armenians fought bravely but they were no match for Azerbaijan which has 3 times the population, vastly superior military hardware, a much bigger economy, and far more international support. 4,000+ Armenian soldiers fell in battle compared to nearly 3,000 Azerbaijani soldiers fell in battle.

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    or with a name like that members here might think you are Ukrainian. Very Happy

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    Post  GarryB Sat Apr 17, 2021 7:25 am

    Image orcland with nukes. Yeah, that'll work.

    Would be funnier if the handle and pin were photoshopped out... Twisted Evil
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    Post  auslander Sat Apr 17, 2021 9:10 am

    GarryB wrote:
    Image orcland with nukes. Yeah, that'll work.

    Would be funnier if the handle and pin were photoshopped out...  Twisted Evil

    Don't know how to photoshop. If you do, have at it!
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    Post  JohninMK Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:07 pm

    Hey Auslander, these may be heading your way.

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    The 15 ship naval grouping from the Caspian Flotilla that includes 15 ships of the Caspian Flotilla, including three artillery boats, eight landing craft, and support vessels, has entered the Black Sea after passing the Crimean Bridge.

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    Post  VARGR198 Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:17 pm

    The #Ukraine's Navy getting ready for on closed Kerch and #Crimean Bridge. Navy transporting recently acquired #American boats to the War zone.
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    Post  auslander Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:32 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Hey Auslander, these may be heading your way.

    Don't know, John. Nothing in the news about them as to destination, but ukrops are having a hissy fit about the Caspian boats and the straights being closed to everything but civilian traffic, and the civilian ships are inspected before being allowed in to the stream passing in and out.

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    Post  JohninMK Sat Apr 17, 2021 1:12 pm

    VARGR198 wrote:The #Ukraine's Navy getting ready for on closed Kerch and #Crimean Bridge. Navy transporting recently acquired #American boats to the War zone.

    That's one way Smile If you can't move the boat, OK a RIB, by sea, leave it on the trailer that the US so thoughtfully provided and move it overland.

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    Post  JohninMK Sat Apr 17, 2021 1:28 pm

    I put the pictures of these two in the Syrian thread as they are likely for the Syrian Express to give the Black Sea ships a rest.

    But expect a howl from Kiev that these are extra assets for the Russian invasion forces Laughing

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    Post  flamming_python Sat Apr 17, 2021 2:11 pm

    Ladies and Gentlemen, first I brought you Mariupol, and now - the heroic city of Slavyansk, which was fought over for 2 months at the start of the conflict before Strelkov withdrew his forces at night and broke through a cordon to Donetsk.



    The people here are bending over backwards for the reporter even more than in Mariupol. Some even demonstratively answering in Ukrainian despite the fact that this language was never spoken in Slavyansk.
    No-one believes in a war, and are fine with the 'peace' that reigns now. Some believe that 'our president' Zelensky is doing everything possible to avoid a new war.

    Nobody interviewed is some kind of Ukro patriot or nationalist, they are all pretty neutral, but listening to these people you get the impression that they don't care who rules them at all; whether the break-away republics or the Ukronazis, they're ready to sell out to whoever. I know that much of the population of Slavyansk left after the Ukros took it, and the later put their own people in power there - but the difference between now and 2014 is staggering.
    For them no war exists, and they apparently would like to keep it that way even if the cost is people's lives a few dozen kilometres away that are constantly being shelled.
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Sat Apr 17, 2021 2:48 pm

    flamming_python wrote:Ladies and Gentlemen, first I brought you Mariupol, and now - the heroic city of Slavyansk, which was fought over for 2 months at the start of the conflict before Strelkov withdrew his forces at night and broke through a cordon to Donetsk.



    The people here are bending over backwards for the reporter even more than in Mariupol. Some even demonstratively answering in Ukrainian despite the fact that this language was never spoken in Slavyansk.
    No-one believes in a war, and are fine with the 'peace' that reigns now. Some believe that 'our president' Zelensky is doing everything possible to avoid a new war.

    Nobody interviewed is some kind of Ukro patriot or nationalist, they are all pretty neutral, but listening to these people you get the impression that they don't care who rules them at all; whether the break-away republics or the Ukronazis, they're ready to sell out to whoever. I know that much of the population of Slavyansk left after the Ukros took it, and the later put their own people in power there - but the difference between now and 2014 is staggering.
    For them no war exists, and they apparently would like to keep it that way even if the cost is people's lives a few dozen kilometres away that are constantly being shelled.
    well, you also have to keep into account that they know that people that are openly pro Russian are subject to repression (and in some cases even killed), so it is possible that they are just keeping a low profile (at least publicly), and keeping their opinion for themselves. Now it is not the moment for being arrested or killed for nothing. In case the conflict will come back to slavianks or Kramatorsk (or even to Mariupol) we will see how these people will behave and if they will fight to help their fellow Donbass citizens, if they will do nothing, or if they will fight for 404.

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    Post  Finty Sat Apr 17, 2021 2:50 pm

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    wilhelm wrote:Bitcoin trader is in the US.
    His phraseology and US spelling was rather obvious from the beginning.
    Yeah bro because there are no Russians that lived in the Russia and left. Or go back and forth.

    Some geniuses on this forum. Putin needs to strike hard and fast with tactical nukes. Don’t let nato build up their forces like they did with saddam.

    Nope.
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    Post  flamming_python Sat Apr 17, 2021 2:52 pm

    Rodion_Romanovic wrote:well, you also have to keep into account that they know that people that are openly pro Russian are subject to repression (and in some cases even killed), so it is possible that they are just keeping a low profile (at least publicly), and keeping their opinion for themselves. Now it is not the moment for being arrested or killed for nothing. In case the conflict will come back to slavianks or Kramatorsk (or even to Mariupol) we will see how these people will behave and if they will fight to help their fellow Donbass citizens, if they will do nothing, or if they will fight for 404.

    I don't see anyone forcing them to give an answer at all.
    It's enough to just say 'no comment', rather than elaborating into some bullshit.
    It's possible this is choreographed somehow, but the answers seem to have that bumpkin authenticity to them, a morally and mentally defeated people with no sense of identity or purpose and ready to buy into anything as long as there's someone feeding them. Which is how much of the Ukraine is, aside from the Ukronazis themselves who actually genuinely believe in the superiority of their race/culture/whatever, even if they're financed tools as well.

    Of course if the town is recaptured for the DNR the locals will be all 'for' it, or at least say they are, same as they're currently saying that Zelensky is a president of peace.

    But the point is with such an attitude, what's the point of fighting for these people at all? They're clearly content or don't care much either way.

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    Post  flamming_python Sat Apr 17, 2021 3:01 pm

    Finty wrote:
    bitcointrader70 wrote:
    wilhelm wrote:Bitcoin trader is in the US.
    His phraseology and US spelling was rather obvious from the beginning.
    Yeah bro because there are no Russians that lived in the Russia and left. Or go back and forth.

    Some geniuses on this forum. Putin needs to strike hard and fast with tactical nukes. Don’t let nato build up their forces like they did with saddam.

    Nope.

    The only genius on this forum is that guy

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Sat Apr 17, 2021 4:07 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    Rodion_Romanovic wrote:well, you also have to keep into account that they know that people that are openly pro Russian are subject to repression (and in some cases even killed), so it is possible that they are just keeping a low profile (at least publicly), and keeping their opinion for themselves. Now it is not the moment for being arrested or killed for nothing. In case the conflict will come back to slavianks or Kramatorsk (or even to Mariupol) we will see how these people will behave and if they will fight to help their fellow Donbass citizens, if they will do nothing, or if they will fight for 404.

    I don't see anyone forcing them to give an answer at all.
    It's enough to just say 'no comment', rather than elaborating into some bullshit.
    It's possible this is choreographed somehow, but the answers seem to have that bumpkin authenticity to them, a morally and mentally defeated people with no sense of identity or purpose and ready to buy into anything as long as there's someone feeding them. Which is how much of the Ukraine is, aside from the Ukronazis themselves who actually genuinely believe in the superiority of their race/culture/whatever, even if they're financed tools as well.

    Of course if the town is recaptured for the DNR the locals will be all 'for' it, or at least say they are, same as they're currently saying that Zelensky is a president of peace.

    But the point is with such an attitude, what's the point of fighting for these people at all? They're clearly content or don't care much either way.

    Donbas doesn't have the manpower to capture the city and hold it, only way that would happen is if Russian forces assist heavily.

    Donbas guys aren't a huge force they are very small.
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    Post  Isos Sat Apr 17, 2021 4:10 pm

    Russia needs only 24 su-34 to help separatists capture all donbass and 12 su-30 to destroy ukrainian air force/air defence.

    Mobilizing 100k soldiers there is useless.

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    Post  flamming_python Sat Apr 17, 2021 4:13 pm

    Isos wrote:Russia needs only 24 su-34 to help separatists capture all donbass and 12 su-30 to destroy ukrainian air force/air defence.

    Mobilizing 100k soldiers there is useless.

    Probably

    And it would still not be worth it. Tell that to the DNR/LNR soldiers who will have to lay down their lives not clear for what exactly.

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    Post  bitcointrader70 Sat Apr 17, 2021 4:20 pm

    Nothing funny about this conflict. Slavs killing Slavs. White people killing white people while the globalists who run US NATO and Europe are importing tons of 3rd world immigrants for cheap labor and laughing.

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    Post  Backman Sat Apr 17, 2021 4:29 pm

    bitcointrader70 wrote:Nothing funny about this conflict. Slavs killing Slavs. White people killing white people while the globalists who run US NATO and Europe are importing tons of 3rd world immigrants for cheap labor and laughing.

    Thanks to the brainless Western Ukrainian elite. If only they could think like adults , this wouldn't be happening.
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    Post  bitcointrader70 Sat Apr 17, 2021 4:32 pm

    Backman wrote:
    bitcointrader70 wrote:Nothing funny about this conflict. Slavs killing Slavs. White people killing white people while the globalists who run US NATO and Europe are importing tons of 3rd world immigrants for cheap labor and laughing.

    Thanks to the brainless Western Ukrainian elite. If only they could think like adults , this wouldn't be happening.
    They aren’t brainless. They are getting paid really well to do what they do. And they are getting a lot promises from people like George soros, US government officials, and a few “unknowns”
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    Post  flamming_python Sat Apr 17, 2021 4:53 pm

    bitcointrader70 wrote:Nothing funny about this conflict. Slavs killing Slavs. White people killing white people while the globalists who run US NATO and Europe are importing tons of 3rd world immigrants for cheap labor and laughing.

    Who's laughing?

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