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    The Situation in the Ukraine. #29

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    Post  GarryB Fri Apr 09, 2021 7:35 am

    Interesting that the big black cock mentions the Russians moving forces, but does not mention Kiev moving forces and heavy equipment to the region.

    And rebel separatists that are Ukrainian and call themselves Ukrainian being shelled and bombed by Ukrainians from Kiev is something they can ignore... wonder what the Albanians did because the last time this sort of shit happened HATO would be bombing Kiev, no assisting in the genocide against a language.

    When I watched the second plane fly into the WTC live, I wondered who would be bombed and invaded first and I was worried what stupid knee jerk reactionary steps the US would take over this.

    With Putin in charge of Russia I am worried what stupid thing Kiev might do, but not about the Russian response.
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    Post  auslander Fri Apr 09, 2021 7:38 am

    Foggy Bottomless is mumbling something about sending ships to Black Sea to 'counter Russian moves against orcland'. Seems they've forgotten that all six Kilo's are still deployed in Black Sea, and all of them are rumored to be in the Black Sea only.
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    Post  miketheterrible Fri Apr 09, 2021 7:43 am

    They will be heavily limited on the ships allowed in and duration thanks to Turkish and Russian agreements.
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    Post  mavaff Fri Apr 09, 2021 8:14 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote: Now the West never mentions Lviv University and their open anti-Semitism and their promotion of Nazism, and they pretend like it doesn't exist. I was well aware of the political agenda at Lviv University, that's why I was able to see through the Western propagandist bullshit denying the massive mobilization of Nazi's in Ukraine. .


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    Post  mavaff Fri Apr 09, 2021 8:20 am

    Scott has some good points here.

    https://www.rt.com/russia/520366-nato-zelensky-ukraine-suicide/

    Ukraine's President Zelensky hopes that NATO will assist Kiev in forcefully expelling Russia from Crimea and re-taking control of the breakaway Donbass. This dangerous fiction could lead to the destruction of his troubled country.
    The following are the words and actions that the historians who may one day come to write how mankind blundered its way into a major conflict in 2021 will need to know, to understand its origins and the parts played by the shortcomings and strategic missteps of ill-suited leaders.

    According to Zelensky, there is only one pathway for resolving the ongoing dispute between his nation and Russia over the status of the Crimea and the ongoing fighting in the pro-Russian eastern Ukrainian region of the Donbass. “NATO is the only way to end the war in Donbass,” Zelensky declared in a recent phone call with NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg. Zelensky called for the immediate implementation of a ‘Membership Action Plan’ delineating Ukraine’s entry path into the NATO alliance. Such a move, Zelensky noted, “will be a real signal for Russia.”

    Zelensky’s militant directive and blatant appeal for NATO membership did not go unnoticed by Russia. Nor did the deployment by the Ukrainian military of hundreds of armored vehicles and thousands of troops into the region, a fact that has been "under-reported" in the west.

    A military exercise conducted some 30 miles from its border with Ukraine, involving 4,000 troops, was originally scheduled to end on March 23. A decision by Moscow to keep its forces in the field prompted the US military’s European Command to raise its watch level from possible crisis to potential imminent crisis – the highest level.

    The tension between Russia and Ukraine has resulted in a series of conversations between Ukrainian officials and their counterparts in the West which have sought to portray the country as the victim of Russian threats of aggression, and to publicly underscore the West’s support for Ukraine. US Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin kicked this off, calling his Ukrainian counterpart on April 1 to express “unwavering U.S. support for Ukraine’s sovereignty” while condemning “Russian aggression” in the country.

    This was followed the next day by one between Joe Biden and Zelensky, where the US president “affirmed the United States’ unwavering support for Ukraine’s sovereignty and territorial integrity in the face of Russia’s ongoing aggression in the Donbass and Crimea.”

    Also on rt.com Ukraine’s Zelensky approves strategy for ‘return’ of Crimea from ‘military adversary’ Russia & names NATO membership as key goal
    Two days later, the European Union’s high representative for foreign affairs and security, Josep Borrell, called Ukrainian Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba to express “support of Ukraine’s sovereignty and territorial integrity.” That was followed by a call between UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson and Zelensky, in which Johnson “reaffirmed his unwavering support for Ukraine’s sovereignty and territorial integrity” while expressing “significant concerns” about Russian activity in Crimea and on the Ukrainian border.

    The similarity of phrases was the trademark of the concerted diplomatic offensive. Words, however, have meaning, and no matter how one views “unwavering support” for Ukrainian “territorial integrity,” the harsh reality is that NATO’s capacity to provide support for any action intended to “recover” either Donbass, Crimea, or both, is limited. It knows that doing so would raise the likelihood of a military clash with Russia – and dare it risk that?

    President Zelensky likes to promote the idea of a Ukraine-NATO alliance by advocating for an increase in military training between the two. Russia has sought to throw cold water on any such move, noting that it would be forced to respond if NATO troops were deployed to Ukraine, with Kremlin spokesperson Dmitry Peskov stating that Russia would be compelled to take “additional measures” to ensure its security, without specifying what such measures would entail.

    The reality is that NATO is not in any position to intervene militarily on behalf of Ukraine, even if it were so inclined. Its ground combat capability has deteriorated significantly since the end of the Cold War in 1991.

    The significant overall increase in spending has not translated into adequate ability to train and maintain forces on the ground, and multiple pro-NATO analysts have complained about European members of the alliance being unable to field enough troops quickly enough. Units that were once ready to take the field at a moment’s notice to respond to an attack by the Soviet Union and Warsaw Pact members have either been disbanded, mothballed, or locked away in garrisons, unable to effectively train

    Almost all of NATO’s actually deployable combat power has been assembled in Poland and the Baltic Republics as part of a scheme to deploy four battalion-sized ‘battle groups’ designed to deter Russian military aggression in northern Europe. The ability on the part of NATO to generate in short order a similar combat-ready force capable of deploying into Ukraine is currently non-existent.

    Also on rt.com How Polish wargame where it loses to Russia could become a self-fulfilling prophecy
    NATO does maintain what it calls a “Very High Readiness Joint Task Force” of around 6,400 troops. This force is built around a brigade-sized unit from one of NATO’s member states, rotating on an annual basis. Last year, Poland had responsibility. This year, the burden has fallen on 4,200 troops of Turkey’s 66th Mechanized Infantry Brigade, supported by smaller units from Albania, Hungary, Italy, Latvia, Montenegro, Poland, Romania, Slovakia, Spain, the UK, and the United States. Even under non-combat conditions, it would take days for this task force to assemble and deploy to Ukraine. In a time of war, it would be expected that the task force would be under constant attack from the moment it crossed into Ukraine, making the likelihood of a combat-capable force reaching the frontline highly unlikely, if not impossible.

    NATO’s best option would be to deploy its air forces in support of Ukraine. But the viability of such an option is close to zero. NATO has not trained to fight against the kind of integrated air defense system that Russia has deployed around Ukraine. Its ability to project any meaningful air combat capability over Ukraine, let alone seize and maintain the kind of superiority necessary to support any forces engaged in combat operations, is virtually nil.

    Perhaps NATO’s best bet comes in the form of the US Air Force’s newest 5th generation fighters – the F-22 and F-35. According to the US military, their pilots have been undergoing significant training in preparation for any conflict against the Russian military. For example, in a large-scale exercise known as ‘Red Flag’ last year, the F-35 and F-22 were able to achieve a 20:1 kill ratio against a notional Russian force flying SU-30-type aircraft.

    But a similar exercise in Australia in 2008 involving a computer simulation of an attack by Russian SU-30 aircraft against F-35s and F-22s had the Russians coming out ahead. The F-35 in particular was described as “double inferior” to the SU-30, with experts noting that the advanced US fighter “can’t [out]turn, can’t [out]climb, can’t [out]run” its Russian opponent.

    The F-35 has since then been uploaded with new software designed to fix identified problems. But as recently as 2017, the Air Force found more than 873 software flaws in the F-35 which impact its combat capability, perhaps most critical of which is its inability to effectively employ its main air-to-air weapon, the AIM-120 AMRAAM missile. This means that the F-35 will likely be compelled to fight the kind of close-in dogfights it is supposed to avoid. But even here it is at a disadvantage – its 25mm gun, which would be used in this situation, is plagued by poor accuracy.

    Also on rt.com What wins the Battle of the Super-Fighters: the US’ F-35, or Russia’s Su-57?
    Making matters even worse for the US Air Force is the fact that, since 2019, Russia has been gaining invaluable first-hand intelligence on the performance and operation of both the F-22 and F-35. The US operates both aircraft from bases in Qatar and the United Arab Emirates, where they have been involved in combat operations in Syria and Iraq. Russia has deployed its advanced S-400 air defense system in Syria, and its radars have become quite adept at detecting and tracking the supposedly ‘stealth’ aircraft. Moreover, Israel has flown its own F-35 aircraft over Syria and Lebanon, providing the Russians with more opportunities to prepare the S-400 for potential combat operations against the advanced fighters.

    For the past two decades, the US has been largely flying combat operations in extremely permissive environments, operating unopposed over the skies of Afghanistan, Iraq, and Syria. Any combat mission over Ukraine against Russia would be very different, and have the US facing off against the world’s most sophisticated integrated air defense network, systems that have been fine-tuned to detect and destroy the best aircraft in the US inventory. The likelihood of the US Air Force being annihilated in the skies over Ukraine in the event of a force-on-force engagement with Russia is high, and the US military planners know this.

    Zelensky can huff and puff all he wants about joining NATO and the leverage such membership would give him to “liberate” Crimea and Donbass. But “unwavering support” for Ukrainian “territorial integrity,” no matter how many times in unison it is uttered by the leaders of NATO, does not equate to a suicide pact, which is what any direct military conflict between NATO and Russia in Ukraine would be.

    The danger is that this realpolitik is not being effectively transmitted to Zelensky, thereby creating the real risk of the kind of miscalculation that occurred in August 2008, when Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili ordered his military into South Ossetia, believing he had the full support of the US. The result was a disaster for Georgia. A similar fate awaits Zelensky and Ukraine should a similar military misadventure be launched against pro-Russian forces in Donbass.

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    Post  Vann7 Fri Apr 09, 2021 8:40 am

    This is everything people need to know about ukraine escalation of tensions against Russia and
    pushing to restart the war .


    Pepe Escobar explain it all , in simple terms , is exactly the same old tactics of provoking
    a conflict in x or y country that Russia have interest and provoke them to invade with a major
    hostile act. In 2014 the goal of US was to crush the russian economy , with a combination
    of Russian army provoked to invade ukraine to defend civilians with war on oil prices will have done the trick. but russia did not invaded only armed their rebels and keep open borders with eastern ukraine for any proffessional soldiers to help them. on top of that Europe sanctions on Russia were
    minimal at best , did not cut their energy business nord stream 1 ,with russia ,which was what they wanted.

    Now is the same old tactic again,but is now nord stream 2 ,what they want to sabotage ,by
    provoking a major fissure with EU , if Russia invades ukraine and the country start splitting in parts.
    they also need to sabotage sputnik v ,from europe , so provoking a hell in ukraine and forcing russia
    to invade is the goal , winning or losing for ukraine is not required , what is required is that many civilians are killed ,major refugees exodus from ukraine and with help of western media , blame russia for the conflict that it was nato that provoked it.


    https://www.unz.com/pescobar/ukraine-redux-war-russophobia-and-pipelineistan/


    what is important to remember is that it is possible that russia support will be limited to tactical precision strikes across the border , on ukraine orks army positions ,fighting donetsk . perhaps russian airforce can enter a bit inside ukraine for precision strikes and leave ,or declare a no fly zone and no navigation anywhere of the east of kiev.

    Here the entire show ,for the anglo west , is to create the most intense fighting possible to provoke
    russia to invade and later use this conflict that NATO is provoking intentionally ,to pressure france and germany to drop and cancel all business relations with russia and block nord stream 2 and even
    block russia vaccines from europe.. and as a bonus ,disconnect russia from the swift payment system.

    the ukraine conflict =  a conflict designed to break the russia economy , through sabotage of
    europe and russia business relations.

    like Pepe escobar told,, americans don't give a shit if the ukraine army is destroyed completely ,
    or even if russia plant their flag in kiev , the hope to give a vietnam in ukraine to the russian army.
    all they want is a big big conflict ,that ukraine will provoke to start ,to later use the conflict to tie
    the hands of europe ,specially western europe , and break all business relations between EU and Russia.

    What Russia however need to be very careful is those nuclear reactors in ukraine , they could be used for a false flag , so if russian army invades deep in ukraine ,they can destroy the nuclear reactors with a bomb and later blame russia for bombing ukraine nuclear reactors. also russia have to be careful ,that Anglo terrorist powers are perfectly capable of shutting down a new civilian plane ,
    to blame it on russia ,or to bomb a school in ukraine with children ,an inside job and later blame it on russia airforce too..  all this operations are to promote the hate of ukrainians on rusia and to break russia and eu relations too. France and Germany and italy might be forced to take a side , the US one , if don't want to be sanctioned to death their economies.

    in my opinion , im skeptic ,that US will be successful in demonizing Russia . they failed to do it
    in syria and in ukraine war in 2014 and so they will fail again this time.. What is interesting however
    is that what is on the table is not the future of Russia ,because they can sell their european energy to china . what is on the table is the future of europe ,and the future of NATO too ,because americans
    are playing a dangerous move ,that could blow back in their face. that is US-UK and Canada ,and their colonies ,are provoking a major war in ukraine like never before ,armed by nato , to pressure major european nations like germany and france to pick a side .And if this war start , the half of europe ,western europe ,like France and Germany and italy too and spain could either end divorcing from russia business permanently , if they obey the washington sanctions demands.. or the european union could end splitting in parts and france and germany switching to Russia and China side. So in this year 2021, it will be likely the year of major political changes ,big changes in europe like never seen before and the ukraine conflict that anglo powers are provoking is the turning point ,of how the future relations between america and europe will be.   Europe however could choose no side also ,
    and push for relations with both , but either way .. anything less than cancelling nord stream 2 and sputnik v , regardless of what happens in ukraine , will be disastrous for the anglo western world.
    and NATO future also could be put to test , in this year .
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    Post  miketheterrible Fri Apr 09, 2021 8:55 am

    It would only matter if NATO states say they will send troops. None of them said it. This, it's easy to rule out why and why not.
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    Post  Arrow Fri Apr 09, 2021 10:10 am

    It is obvious that there will be no war in Donbas.
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    Post  JohninMK Fri Apr 09, 2021 10:36 am

    Can't see this staying anywhere near any action. Its a sitting, and very attractive, duck.

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    Post  JohninMK Fri Apr 09, 2021 10:48 am

    auslander wrote:Foggy Bottomless is mumbling something about sending ships to Black Sea to 'counter Russian moves against orcland'. Seems they've forgotten that all six Kilo's are still deployed in Black Sea, and all of them are rumored to be in the Black Sea only.
    Aren't a couple of them in the Med, or are they from other fleets?

    They only have the AB destroyers left to send now that CVN69 is near the Gulf. Typical delusional western comments on the 'power' of their military.

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    Post  JohninMK Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:21 am

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    Марочко Live, [09.04.21 07:04]

    It turns out that Zelensky was not the only guest in #Donbass today. A working visit by an American delegation led by the Army and Defense Attaché Colonel Brittany Stewart took place in the area of the Joint Forces operation.
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    Post  lyle6 Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:46 am

    That's a colonel? Looks more like a barracks bunny to me - what's she gonna do? Suck all the sp*rm out of the Russian Army? Twisted Evil
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    Post  miketheterrible Fri Apr 09, 2021 12:34 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
    auslander wrote:Foggy Bottomless is mumbling something about sending ships to Black Sea to 'counter Russian moves against orcland'. Seems they've forgotten that all six Kilo's are still deployed in Black Sea, and all of them are rumored to be in the Black Sea only.
    Aren't a couple of them in the Med, or are they from other fleets?

    They only have the AB destroyers left to send now that CVN69 is near the Gulf. Typical delusional western comments on the 'power' of their military.

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    NEW: USA plan to send warships to Black Sea “to deter Russia” amid Ukraine tensions, Russia says it will not cause any panic for them — that its rather a message of fake courage to Ukrainian nazis which will escalate the conflict & says US has no chance to make Black Sea theirs.

    And how many ships will US send. Remember, like I said, there are great lots to what and how long they can send. If they decide to break such rules, then bets are off.
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    Post  Finty Fri Apr 09, 2021 12:48 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:

    Similarly, remember the late 2000's scandal of the infamous Dnipropetrovsk Maniacs and the infamous "3 guys 1 hammer" gore/snuff film? Everyone on the internet used to recoil in horror over their existence, and yes they too were Nazis.
    The Situation in the Ukraine. #29 - Page 13 Saenko-1

    Back in the 2000's Westerners were appalled at the behavior of '2' men, but now you have whole military battalions in Ukraine that act just like them, and armed to the teeth and Westerners don't say jack shit!!! Living up to that saying "1 death is a tragedy, but a million deaths is a statistics" eh? Ukropi forces aren't just compromised of 2 maniacs, in the case of the Azov Battalions their whole military personnel is made up of Dnipropetrovsk Maniacs!!!

    .

    I wasn't aware of that story so just read into it, absolute pieces of shit.
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    Post  Finty Fri Apr 09, 2021 12:56 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:I noticed a lot of articles you guys post is always saying WWIII as US gets involved.  I'm curious, where do they get this?

    Because, US made it quite obvious they aren't sending troops. Germany made it obvious Ukraine won't be in NATO anytime soon, and we heard it before with Syria and Georgia.  Which didn't result in anything.

    Man, US isn't gonna fight directly. Russia and US never do. It's always through proxies.

    Indeed. My hunch is that it will blow over in the sense that the USA and NATO won't be going to war with Russia over some Eastern European cackhole. Having a status quo is good for business anyway, if you're the USA. Worst case scenario for them is Russians going in as peacekeepers and helping to chuck out the Ukrainian Army from Donbass, there won't be much of an escalation from that, i.e war in Western Ukraine or WW3.
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    Post  miketheterrible Fri Apr 09, 2021 1:18 pm

    Finty wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:I noticed a lot of articles you guys post is always saying WWIII as US gets involved.  I'm curious, where do they get this?

    Because, US made it quite obvious they aren't sending troops. Germany made it obvious Ukraine won't be in NATO anytime soon, and we heard it before with Syria and Georgia.  Which didn't result in anything.

    Man, US isn't gonna fight directly. Russia and US never do. It's always through proxies.

    Indeed. My hunch is that it will blow over in the sense that the USA and NATO won't be going to war with Russia over some Eastern European cackhole. Having a status quo is good for business anyway, if you're the USA. Worst case scenario for them is Russians going in as peacekeepers and helping to chuck out the Ukrainian Army from Donbass, there won't be much of an escalation from that, i.e war in Western Ukraine or WW3.

    Of course they won't.

    They do this all the time and US makes all kinds of threats to Russia but never offers any commitment to Ukraine, Georgia, etc.
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    Post  JohninMK Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:35 pm

    "Please can I have some more goodies. I promise you will get paid. Honest!

    Oh, and don't forget a few of your mercenaries as well."

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    Perhaps the talks will focus on the supply of additional weapons for the Armed Forces, including the Bayraktar TB2 UAV.


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    Post  JohninMK Fri Apr 09, 2021 3:41 pm


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    Not only the number of helicopters at the base is standard, or even perhaps smaller than expected, there seem to have been no logistics build-up. More important, the S-400 battalion at the base is at low readiness status with only two TELs erected. 2/2

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    Post  auslander Fri Apr 09, 2021 3:53 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
    auslander wrote:Foggy Bottomless is mumbling something about sending ships to Black Sea to 'counter Russian moves against orcland'. Seems they've forgotten that all six Kilo's are still deployed in Black Sea, and all of them are rumored to be in the Black Sea only.
    Aren't a couple of them in the Med, or are they from other fleets?

    Rumor has it all are in Black Sea, the six based in the Sea. Might be two in the Med but they ain't Chornyah Mor boats.

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    Post  Backman Fri Apr 09, 2021 5:41 pm

    Arrow wrote:It is obvious that there will be no war in Donbas.

    Shocked Just because the leaders of the countries don't want war doesn't eliminate the chance of it. All it would take is a border shelling to get out of hand. And nobody knows what the CIA has in mind. They could have a provocation lined up and ready to go. Like MH-17
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    Post  LMFS Fri Apr 09, 2021 6:36 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:I noticed a lot of articles you guys post is always saying WWIII as US gets involved.  I'm curious, where do they get this?

    Because, US made it quite obvious they aren't sending troops. Germany made it obvious Ukraine won't be in NATO anytime soon, and we heard it before with Syria and Georgia.  Which didn't result in anything.

    Man, US isn't gonna fight directly. Russia and US never do. It's always through proxies.

    The start situation is that US forces Ukraine to go to war against Russia, Western MSM get their material and Europe is prevented from restoring ties or deepening any cooperation with Russia. The problem appears when Russia says very clearly that attacking Donbass will lead to the destruction of Ukraine and threatens directly the clown/nazis/oligarchs, making them think twice before obeying, US sees their authority challenged and feels compelled to raise the stakes and even deploy some troops in a token amount, potentially as a deterrent vs Russia. If these troops are hit either by Russia or through false flag, odds that the current US leadership has the humbleness not to escalate is very optimistic, too much I would say.

    So it is a matter of inadequate US elites permanently doubling down as per reflex and not properly aware of the risks involved and calculating accordingly. The closer they come to the Russian border, the higher the probability the conflict spills over into a way bigger scale.


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    Post  kvs Fri Apr 09, 2021 7:06 pm

    LMFS wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:I noticed a lot of articles you guys post is always saying WWIII as US gets involved.  I'm curious, where do they get this?

    Because, US made it quite obvious they aren't sending troops. Germany made it obvious Ukraine won't be in NATO anytime soon, and we heard it before with Syria and Georgia.  Which didn't result in anything.

    Man, US isn't gonna fight directly. Russia and US never do. It's always through proxies.

    The start situation is that US forces Ukraine to go to war against Russia, Western MSM get their material and Europe is prevented from restoring ties or deepening any cooperation with Russia. The problem appears when Russia says very clearly that attacking Donbass will lead to the destruction of Ukraine and threatens directly the clown/nazis/oligarchs and US, making them think twice before obeying, US sees their authority challenged and feels compelled to raise the stakes and even deploy some troops in a token amount, potentially as a deterrent vs Russia. If these troops are hit either by Russia or through false flag, odds that the current US leadership has the humbleness not to escalate is very optimistic, too much I would say.

    So it is a matter of inadequate US elites permanently doubling down as per reflex and not properly aware of the risks involved and calculating accordingly. The closer they come to the Russian border, the higher the probability the conflict spills over into a way bigger scale.

    That is all true, but there is no evidence of any NATzO deployment to back up Kiev's ethnic cleansing campaign. Lots of propaganda as usual,
    but a couple of tubs in Black Sea is hardly preparation for war. I suppose NATzO will wait for some pretext after the Ukr-tards finally go for
    broke. But Russia is not going to act like some target. All I see is that NATzO will deploy on the western side of the Lugansk and Donetsk
    borders. I do not think that Russia should care much. It is not 1939 and the only thing that NATzO will achieve is to burn through more
    funny money.

    Banderastan is not going to be an effective launch platform against Russia. If NATzO plans to deploy nuclear missiles to Ukraine, Russia
    can counter such moves with more nuclear subs patrolling the Pacific and Atlantic. I would also deploy more Poseidon systems. Russia
    cannot fret about bending to NATzO's will to keep NATzO out of Ukraine. That is nonsense. NATzO can deploy those same missiles even
    if Russia throws the Donbass under the bus.

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    Post  LMFS Fri Apr 09, 2021 8:14 pm

    kvs wrote:That is all true, but there is no evidence of any NATzO deployment to back up Kiev's ethnic cleansing campaign.   Lots of propaganda as usual,
    but a couple of tubs in Black Sea is hardly preparation for war.

    They are ostensibly reinforcing their signalling, since Russia stalled previous war plans by the ukronazis. All BS I know, it depends on whether they manage to force Ukraine to attack with just cosmetic measures or not. The moment they send some idiot or group of them (like the nazi-apologist US attache below) to the frontline as a shield vs Russian involvement (a reasonable approach in their mind since they think Russia will be the first to blink) and they get hit, it could be a serious problem. There is also the big NATO drills in the area, which can and will be used as a deterrent vs Russia and may be forced to intervene in case Russia does not comply. There are a few grenades in the hands of the NATO & Ukie chimps right now, and that is never good news

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    Banderastan is not going to be an effective launch platform against Russia.   If NATzO plans to deploy nuclear missiles to Ukraine, Russia
    can counter such moves with more nuclear subs patrolling the Pacific and Atlantic.   I would also deploy more Poseidon systems.    Russia
    cannot fret about bending to NATzO's will to keep NATzO out of Ukraine.    That is nonsense.   NATzO can deploy those same missiles even
    if Russia throws the Donbass under the bus.

    Or Russia can blow them to pieces when they are being delivered, as legitimized by Israel. No shit near the border should be an easy message to understand even for a piece of meat like Biden

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    Post  Finty Fri Apr 09, 2021 9:25 pm

    Backman wrote:
    Arrow wrote:It is obvious that there will be no war in Donbas.

    And nobody knows what the CIA has in mind. They could have a provocation lined up and ready to go. Like MH-17

    Bold claim, got any proof? Be careful and don't drink the koolaid, the Russian government are full of shit just like pretty much every other government.
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    Post  LMFS Fri Apr 09, 2021 9:58 pm

    Finty wrote:Bold claim, got any proof? Be careful and don't drink the koolaid, the Russian government are full of shit just like pretty much every other government.

    So full of shit as to engage in obvious false flags for no gain to be used by the West against them, like Assad in Ghouta? Wink

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