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    The Situation in the Ukraine. #29

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    Post  PhSt Sat May 15, 2021 2:07 pm

    Ukraine seems desperate to resort to such hostage diplomacy, Imagine if Russia did the same and offered to exchange imprisoned Russians in the US with Navalny, it would be plastered all over the news 24/7/365, but when Ukraine does it all you hear is cricket noise  Rolling Eyes


    Kiev may offer Moscow to exchange Medvedchuk for Ukrainians convicted in Russia

    KIEV, May 15. /TASS/. Secretary of Ukraine's National Security and Defense Council Alexei Danilov has not ruled out that Kiev could offer Moscow to exchange head of the Political Council of the Opposition Platform - For Life party Viktor Medvedchuk for Ukrainian nationals convicted in Russia in case of a guilty verdict against the opposition politician.

    "This decision is made by the Ukrainian president. I believe that, if there is such an opportunity (to exchange Medvedchuk for Ukrainians convicted in Russia - TASS), we will be willing to do that," he told the Ukraine TV channel when asked whether such an exchange was possible.

    On Tuesday, Ukrainian police conducted searches at Medvedchuk's home and at the office of the Opposition Platform - For Life party. News emerged later that the politician and another member of parliament, Taras Kozak, had been charged with high treason and attempted embezzlement of Crimea’s national resources. Medvedchuk rejected the accusations as groundless. On May 13, Kiev’s Pechersky District Court placed him under house arrest until July 9. The politician said that he would make a decision on launching an appeal to fight the court’s ruling after consulting with his lawyers.
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    Post  auslander Sat May 15, 2021 5:34 pm

    PhSt wrote:Ukraine seems desperate to resort to such hostage diplomacy, Imagine if Russia did the same and offered to exchange imprisoned Russians in the US with Navalny, it would be plastered all over the news 24/7/365, but when Ukraine does it all you hear is cricket noise  Rolling Eyes

    Putin will never participate in an exchange even though Medvedchuk is Putin's daughter's Godfather.
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    Post  flamming_python Sat May 15, 2021 6:31 pm

    Pretty lulsworthy

    Medvechuk is a creation of the Ukrainian oligarchs themselves, who desired 'normalization' with Moscow, while they continued with their pro-Western course behind the curtains

    So exactly like how Yanukovich was created, before he turned on the oligarchs by refusing the Association Agreement with the EU and signing a deal with Russia instead. Which was when they overthrew him

    Medvechuk is billed as a more controllable figurehead, who can certainly end the war and re-legalize the Russian language in the Ukraine, maybe get rid some of the more overt demonstrations of Ukronazism and pardon people involved in the anti-Maidan movement. This idea was supported by Berlin too.

    All of that is welcome of course, but it will come at the cost of going back to business as usual before 2014 and Russia going back to subsidizing the Ukrainian economy again with orders, low gas prices and all the rest. It will also attempt to draw Russia back into a pro-Western orbit.
    These conditions aren't acceptable to Putin so he refused them. And now with his uses run-out but his movement still gaining in polls, Zelensky and the Ukro-establishment demonized him, arrested his TV channels and now arrested him.

    Well, at least this is a theory that was circulating around some Russia-govt associated channels on YouTube. But it makes the most sense.

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    Post  auslander Sat May 15, 2021 8:05 pm

    Hence another few reasons why VVP won't get in the exchange prisoners business, especially with the land of orcs.
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    Post  flamming_python Sat May 15, 2021 10:04 pm

    auslander wrote:Hence another few reasons why VVP won't get in the exchange prisoners business, especially with the land of orcs.

    Yes, they can keep their own creature, who for Russia would have served as nought but a Trojan horse anyway.
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    Post  GarryB Sun May 16, 2021 10:12 am

    The problem with such situations is that it is clearly a trumped up charge... he is not really guilty of anything but they will find him guilty anyway.

    And who will they want to trade him for... people who committed real crimes in Russia like Grandma Orc spy, and many other people who belong in prison...

    Though perhaps swapping Orc Grandma will be a good idea... going home to the Ukraine she will find Russian prison is more comfortable than life in the set of Mad Max 5: Chernobyl revisited...

    Saves Russia some money and gives them a politician in exile they could use against Ukraine...

    But as pointed out, Russia is better off without better relations with Kiev... let the breakaway regions get their freedom... some sort of autonomy, and they can open their borders and trade with Russia including the Crimea... it wont be long before other people in the Ukraine either want to join them or demand a change in Kiev for the same better trade relations with Russia.

    Russia just has to make it clear that this is all about trade... they are not promising to fix Ukraines problems or subsidise their life styles on their money.

    Kiev has to sort of Ukraines problems... Russia is open to free trade, but not subsidising a broken state for the top 1% to steal from the people.

    Western Ukraine is the EUs problem now.


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    Post  par far Sun May 16, 2021 5:20 pm

    The Ukrainian oligarchs are going to feel a squeeze around their balls.




    "Putin Hints at Sanctions of Ukraine Oligarchs As Retaliation for Medvechuk Case"






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    Post  GarryB Mon May 17, 2021 12:38 pm

    auslander wrote:
    SeigSoloyvov wrote:Yeah, I would not take that tweet seriously.

    of course, lets say it is true, then the Russians would, in reality, have zero choices but to invade.

    Ukraine getting nukes would be far too dangerous to allow happen.
    Image orcland with nukes. Yeah, that'll work.

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    Are they ready to take it to the next level...

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    Post  kvs Tue May 18, 2021 8:04 pm



    Ukr chutzpah monkeys are demanding Russia give them "back" the Kuban region. Well, you retarded fcuks, not even after you return
    Novorossiya (spanning from Odessa and including the Donbass) back to Russia. Kuban was never some "Ukraine". And Cossacks
    are not ethnic Ukrs, they were a defender caste that spanned the Russian Empire and were composed mostly of ethnic Russians.
    In parts of "Ukraine" they were "Ukrainians". But as usual, the Ukr nazionalists are trying to rob Russia of its history. There was
    no Ukraine during the period of the Kievan Rus. After the Tatar-Mongol horde destroyed Kiev there was no prospering Ukrainian
    ethnos living there. Ukrs are the result of occupation of these lands by the Grand Duchy of Lithuania and Poland. Both practiced
    forced de-Russification through forced cultural, linguistic and religious conversion.

    Polaks love to hate on Russia for the period when Poland was under the Russian Empire. They systematically ignore that it was Poland's
    own regional ambitions that made it a vassal (e.g. trying to engage in regime change in Russia) and Russia never abused Poles like they
    abused Russians. There was no forced religious conversion and suppression of Polish language and culture. There was never a
    program of assimilation like practiced by the Poles.

    BTW, my Ukr half of the family lived under Polish rule after Poland annexed western Ukraine in 1920. All Ukrainians were treated
    like second class citizens. For example, capricious and punitive taxation. The US always points to "taxation without representation"
    as a key element in their revolution against Britain. The current love of Ukr nazionalists for Poland is extra special perversion considering
    how Poland treated people on the territory of modern Ukraine. A favourite was impaling on poles. The modern phonies in Kiev who
    are the product of German and later American and UK meddling would naturally extol Nazi butcher Bandera instead of a genuine historical
    figure that may have relevance for a real ethnic and national identity.


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    Post  miketheterrible Tue May 18, 2021 8:17 pm

    Everyone already laughs at them. No one takes them seriously either.

    Russia should just outright state what is theirs in Ukraine due to history with proof of said history and the Ukies will cry more.
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    Post  auslander Wed May 19, 2021 8:38 pm

    All day and all night for several weeks the noise of training is constant. Streets and shops are devoid of uniforms, which is highly unusual. The noise of heavy convoys at night has stopped some days ago. Is war coming? Yes, seems so unless SehSha blinks and backs down. Will they? Better to ask 'can they', in my opinion SehSha has painted themselves in to a corner.

    The proposed meeting between VVP and bidet is tentatively set for early or mid June. We'll see, but I can't imagine bidet's handlers allowing him to meet one on one with the premier statesman of the decade if not the century.

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    Post  kvs Wed May 19, 2021 9:26 pm

    auslander wrote:All day and all night for several weeks the noise of training is constant. Streets and shops are devoid of uniforms, which is highly unusual. The noise of heavy convoys at night has stopped some days ago. Is war coming? Yes, seems so unless SehSha blinks and backs down. Will they? Better to ask 'can they', in my opinion SehSha has painted themselves in to a corner.

    The proposed meeting between VVP and bidet is tentatively set for early or mid June. We'll see, but I can't imagine bidet's handlers allowing him to meet one on one with the premier statesman of the decade if not the century.

    I think Putin would only agree to a meeting if Khuyiv commits to abide by the Minsk agreements. Which is not going to happen since Khuyiv's backers are
    not interested in this scenario.

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    Post  JohninMK Wed May 19, 2021 9:39 pm

    auslander wrote:All day and all night for several weeks the noise of training is constant.

    Is this around you or somewhere else?

    KVS

    Personally I find it hard to believe that Biden's handlers will expose him to Putin and Lavrov. In his current mental state that would be giving the Russians a blackmail tool on a plate. If it happens expect some reason for Kamala to be a substitute.
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    Post  auslander Wed May 19, 2021 10:25 pm

    JohninMK wrote: Is this around you or somewhere else?

    For the time being I will report only what can be seen or heard by anyone, albeit perhaps not understood by many. Anything remotely concerned with OpSec will not be reported.

    What I post is what I/we (meaning me and VCO) physically see and/or physically hear in public. There is a good sized Spetznaz base not half a klick from our house, common knowledge. Belbek Aerodrome is close enough that we can hear them take off if they are under full military power. VCO and I can walk for ten minutes to a friend's flat and from his balcony if the spirit moves us and the wind is right we can loft an empty beer bottle to the fantail of the Moskva (not that we would, suicide is not on the agenda). If you get drunk at St. Nikolas Church and fall out one of the gates (east, west, south gate I don't know), when you stop tumbling you will be flat on your face at our front gate with young Aleksandr and his uncle Ruslan smiling and thinking meat is back on the lunch menu.

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    Post  GarryB Thu May 20, 2021 3:26 am

    Personally I find it hard to believe that Biden's handlers will expose him to Putin and Lavrov. In his current mental state that would be giving the Russians a blackmail tool on a plate. If it happens expect some reason for Kamala to be a substitute.

    Trump changed what was said in such talks to his advantage and attempts to force translators to spill the beans of what was said in the meeting wont happen with Biden because he is not Putins man in the Whitehouse.

    Both are incompetent idiots, but the current leader gets the rubber stamp of approval because he is our rich white idiot.

    I agree with KVS... there is nothing really to talk about until Kiev meets its commitments in the Minsk agreement... everything else is just bullshit...

    It would end up like G8 summit except instead of the US and its 6 attack dogs whining and attacking Russia for all their problems, it will all come from its original source... the US... Honestly I would probably find it amusing and struggle to avoid laughing... the 7 most powerful countries in the west... and it is all Russias fault without even trying to fight them... they have spent 20 years fixing their own problems and trying to cooperate with Europe and all it has gotten them is a bunch of moaning censored .

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    Post  auslander Thu May 20, 2021 6:46 pm

    Today, 20 May 2021, is identical to yesterday and quite some days in the near past. Nothing has changed to any great extent, if anything a slight increase in intensity.

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