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    Post  George1 Mon Sep 20, 2021 3:14 am

    flamming_python wrote:There was a state-created spoiler party for the communists (actually 2). One gained something like 1.5% and the other nearly made the 3% threshold.
    So that's already 4-4.5% votes lost for the communists

    you mean Russian Party of Pensioners for Social Justice and Communists of Russia


    flamming_python wrote:BTW the 'New People' party is another spoiler one the rulers created, only this time for liberals. And it seems it worked quite well.

    according to the polls it will not make it into the Duma. They will end up with 4,7%
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    Post  PapaDragon Mon Sep 20, 2021 4:04 am

    Kiko wrote:
    Russia is long overdue for good old Operation Condor
    Swell! Just like bombing the Kremlin, "suiciding" VVP at point-blank, death-squads and "missing" victims, mass torture and closing diplomatic relations with China, Cuba and Venezuela. Similarly, as Kissinger, Rabin and Bombama got the Nobel, let's propose PD!

    You are right, that's not the way

    How about societal collapse, civil war, mass starvation, genocide, annihilation of cultural heritage, totalitarian dictatorship, financial ruin, etc...

    You know, all the commie goodies thumbsup



    flamming_python wrote:...Plus the usual mess in the Caucasus I assume (haven't checked), with 99% of Chechnya voting for United Russia or whatever (typically it's a similar situation in Dagestan and a couple others). And of course they all vote, apparently. So another huge amount of votes (relative to the low turnout country-wide) that shouldn't count but do, and all in favour of United Russia....


    Half the local population got vacation in Siberia for 50 years which set the stage for jihadi uprising that caused total carnage and commies are flabbergasted that they can't get no votes there?

    OMG, must be fraud!!! Rolling Eyes



    flamming_python wrote:...Speaking of Khabarovsk, said loyal candidate sent in to replace Furgal when the entire city was out protesting against him...

    If liberal and commie cancer spread that deep then you pull the plug on federal subsidies and let that whole filthy place rot until dumbass locals wisen up and trash is taken out

    Pussyfooting leads to chaos, carnage and collapse




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    Post  medo Mon Sep 20, 2021 8:57 am

    https://tass.com/politics/1339857

    United Russia got 49% of votes after 80% of votes are counted.
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    Post  Mir Mon Sep 20, 2021 9:14 am

    medo wrote:https://tass.com/politics/1339857

    United Russia got 49% of votes after 80% of votes are counted.

    That is still quite a considerable percentage - esp with Medvedev being rather unpopular.
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    Post  GarryB Mon Sep 20, 2021 12:18 pm

    To be honest I am happy the commies got a decent proportion of the vote because the normal western looking governments normally start saying things are going so well the next step is privatisation and that is when things go tits up, because you end up with rich foreigners buying money making companies and all the money those companies make starts going overseas into very few pockets instead of benefitting the whole country.

    More importantly the first thing they do in privatisation is to fire three quarters of the staff and then main the remaining quarter do the work of all the people they fired as well as their own... so unnecessary pressure and less tax money paid into the economy, and the companies are never the same again and often change hands several times making the old owners richer.

    I think keep a socialist outlook... strategic MIC industries should be state controlled, and the government should get a cut of minerals and energy extracted from Russian territory... don't let the foreign wolves come in and steal it. Russians should benefit from the wealth of Russia, not CEOs of big western energy companies.

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    Post  kvs Mon Sep 20, 2021 3:32 pm

    medo wrote:https://tass.com/politics/1339857

    United Russia got 49% of votes after 80% of votes are counted.

    Even if the western propagandists and their sycophants complain, this is perfectly consistent with opinion polls and the fact that
    the status quo is serving the vast majority of Russians quite well. I never hear any bitching the the western media about the
    one-party state dynamic in Japan. If people want to vote the same party back into power over and over then that is their
    free choice and not for foreign meddlers with enemy agendas to decide.

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    Post  George1 Mon Sep 20, 2021 5:47 pm

    In a lot of internet pages, forums, quora etc most people from Russia claim that CPRF isnt actually a communist party at all but a nationalist one
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    Post  miketheterrible Mon Sep 20, 2021 6:08 pm

    George1 wrote:In a lot of internet pages, forums, quora etc most people from Russia claim that CPRF isnt actually a communist party at all but a nationalist one

    A lot of people are retarded too.

    They aren't communist in true fashion, but they aren't nationalists either.
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    Post  kvs Mon Sep 20, 2021 6:28 pm

    It appears that the Navalnyists have been making a big push to take over the KPRF. The KPRF is full of emo Marxists and is an obvious
    target for regime change efforts. No party is squeaky clean, but Russia is under perpetual foreign attack.

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    Post  kvs Mon Sep 20, 2021 7:11 pm



    The Duma as called on the General Prosecutor Office to kick out 20 foreign NGOs from Russia. These
    outfits all engaged in meddling in the Duma election. They are also coordinated with the NATzO propaganda
    campaign to discredit the Duma election.

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    Post  Vann7 Mon Sep 20, 2021 7:51 pm

    kvs wrote:It appears that the Navalnyists have been making a big push to take over the KPRF.   The KPRF is full of emo Marxists and is an obvious
    target for regime change efforts.   No party is squeaky clean, but Russia is under perpetual foreign attack.



    is non secret the west try to influence in Russian elections , but all this interference from my point of view will end making Russia stronger and better , than the retarded government they have , because putin is weakest and most outdated character in the entire Russian politics . So A victory for communist or for the others hardliners , instead of the teddy bears putin's , means a big potential
    present ,for a hard liner Russia ,that will not turn the other cheek anymore ,and will accept any more games by the west and stop pretending that there is not a war going on against them.

    Vladimir Zhirinovsky for example was asking for shutting down all nato planes ,that enters  in russia airspace , and heavily arm syria with lethal weapons. He also proposed tactical strikes on turkey after their shutdown of russian planes..


    they also proposing an education revolution , and making Russia great again in space.

    In the end , i think communist party or any other can do better than the master of fools president they have now .Putin  is 100% responsible for all this totally outdated gas station focused economic model , of russia economy for 21 years !!!,than have been totally abandoning Russia leadership  in the world , in business , abandoning their duty of competition with the west.  "pivoting to the east" as putin have been proposing ,is another word for surrendering to the west. to retreat . is a cowardice move of putin ,giving up with the anglo system , and choosing to just look to the other side ,is an invitation for more attacks , because they perceive the weakness.  This is what allows israel ,to kill with total peace of mind , Russian airforce officers , and allow them with impunity to bomb russian air defenses that they provide to syria for self defense . the world see this , how coward is putin and russia ,that not even their allies they defend , and they rightly conclude ,that Russia is a weak and worthless country ,for their development ,that cannot be trusted at all , if they not even stand with their long time friends , then who wants an ally like that? and to make things worse , russia thanks to putin ,follows the western system, their banking institutions , their international created arbiters , like united nations is , their internet , their high tech industry , their entertainment industry ,and even promote their culture ,with absolutely zero competition from them?  No  So how in hell putin thinks ,his tactics are ever going to work ?  confused , by remaining totally passive , a punching bag of the west and not challenging the western system at all ? not even in space?  No  

    If you have an enemy ,that wants to destroy you and you see him taking actions ,to destroy your nation ,doing it , trying ,you don't look to the other side and pretend that there is a "miss understanding" and that "more dialogue is need"   Rolling Eyes  in 21 years in power , putin begging the west for "Friendship" have not worked.. and will never work , because Russia do nothing to really change things in russia favor ,and pressure the west to change.  The west continue doing everything they want , and all they need to send russia to the stone age , without nuking it , is start a couple more conflicts right on russian borders ,as they did to ukraine. lets say belarus and kazakistan ,forcing russia to invade, and get the right people in germany and france to block russia only thing they have to offer europe, energy , and that will send russia to the stone age. with endless conflict trap , and with all their outdated business , check mated with sanctions.   No  

    Russia cannot exist as a banana republic economy , according to russia economic mister up to 40% of Russian budget comes from energy industry , Shocked  and this is pretty bad ,they either need to compete with adversaries , and destroy their system or else become the ones destroyed.

    A victory of communist or Zhirinovsky party , can't be worse ,than what russia today have , a totally passive government , that have absolutely zero vision of a realistic future ,with a russia no longer in survival mode, but instead in success and leading role in the world .

    People that thinks putins is a "great president " is because don't understand the destructive path ,
    he is guiding the nation , by ignoring the danger , pretending the nation is not under war , this is very dangerous , because the west  perceive the weakness of putin , and this encourage them ,to do things they will have never done , had russia was ruled by a soviet hard liner , like staling or nikita krushev was ,that shotdown many american planes and did not blink an eye. the west ,neither azerbaijan ,will have not dared to do anything they did to russia , in syria and armenia or ukraine ,to any hardliner soviet era leader. , soviet union was respected ,and feared in the 70s and 80s and, russia is not.  it was only the early 90s ,that the west managed to get traitors in power , to destroy russia from the inside. So they got lucky .  

    From 1 to 10 ,  putin is like a 6 , which is pretty bad, he is a very mediocre constitutional autocrat dictator as president. He still patriotic , but at same time he is only one step away of becoming a new gorvashev , which was a 5 in the ranking , or a full scale tyrant.. one or two step away of becoming another erdogan ,but a weak version of it. And this repression will happen ,in russian population when the economy falls , and kremlin notice they losing control of population , in the social unrest.

    And then i will be here telling everyone , i told you so. Russia have no future , when is run by people that demoralize their military and its citizens with weakness and with an outdated culture ,and spend most of their budget in weapons and in pipelines and in celebrations for worshipping the past . Russia only chance to survive as a nation ,and not end disbanded , will be either china to defeat the west , and russia to become its major partner ,or that europe becomes independent from the anglo system , and russia becomes another colony of them. that is only chance russia of not sinking is to become a colony of another created system , that challenge the anglo west. This is because under putin ,russia will never be a leader on anything in the world ,that is really important for humanity development.

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    Post  Mir Mon Sep 20, 2021 10:11 pm

    Vann7 it sounds like you want Putin to roll tanks into Europe and threaten the US with total annihilation if they dare to respond? Do you think that is a realistic approach?

    Both Russia and China are currently moving to a gold back currency - looking to drop the US$ in major trade agreements. Russia's foreign exchange reserve levels are currently the 4th largest in the world - the highest it's ever been. BTW China is number one in that regard. The US is currently clinging to number 22 and trending down. Meanwhile both Russia and China are buying and stocking up on gold reserves on a grand scale. The US claims it has the most gold reserves in the world, most stored in Alcatraz, but there hasn't been any stock taking for decades - so they could be bluffing, and they probably are.

    Russia has vast oil reserves and precious metal resources that will last for many decades to come. Europe is highly dependent on Russia supplying it's energy needs. Both Russia and China are in a very good position to outlast the US in any full scale economic war. Both are also modernizing their military at great pace. Something the West find very hard to do these days. The US gave up on modernizing it's ancient ICBM's as they simply won't be able to afford it despite having more money to spend on defense than the next 15 country's defense budgets put together!

    So Russia is sitting pretty atm - mainly due to Putin' banana republic policies Wink

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    Post  kvs Mon Sep 20, 2021 11:02 pm

    The US claims of having 8,000 tons of gold in Fort Knox, or wherever, are BS. Germany decided to repatriate its gold
    reserves stored in the US a while back. It is taking years and years to send the gold back. Very peculiar unless one
    sees through the BS and realizes that the US is buying new stock to send to Germany.

    Maybe US oligarchs have that much gold, but the US government does not.

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    Post  GarryB Tue Sep 21, 2021 4:57 am

    Vladimir Zhirinovsky for example was asking for shutting down all nato planes ,that enters in russia airspace , and heavily arm syria with lethal weapons. He also proposed tactical strikes on turkey after their shutdown of russian planes..

    The guy is an idiot... shooting down HATO planes that stray into Russian Airspace (most of them don't... they just fly close)... would simply mean when Russian planes fly near HATO airspace that they will be shot down too.

    Eye for an eye and soon enough everyone is blind.

    Tactical strikes on Turkey and they would have F-35s now and not S-400s and they would be being a pain in the ass in Syria pushing the terrorists to fight assad and Russia more openly...

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    Post  lyle6 Tue Sep 21, 2021 5:07 am

    Vann7 wrote:

    Vladimir Zhirinovsky for example was asking for shutting down all nato planes ,that enters  in russia airspace , and heavily arm syria with lethal weapons. He also proposed tactical strikes on turkey after their shutdown of russian planes..

    A man after my heart. He gets my vote Twisted Evil

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    Post  ALAMO Tue Sep 21, 2021 8:14 am

    GarryB wrote:
    The guy is an idiot...

    Of course he is.
    And there is just one thing worse than an idiot. It is an old idiot, who he obviously is.
    He plays his clown and a pressure valve role in the Russian political system for years, and his main goal is to keep the commies in a barn.

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    Post  flamming_python Tue Sep 21, 2021 8:54 am

    ALAMO wrote:
    GarryB wrote:
    The guy is an idiot...

    Of course he is.
    And there is just one thing worse than an idiot. It is an old idiot, who he obviously is.
    He plays his clown and a pressure valve role in the Russian political system for years, and his main goal is to keep the commies in a barn.

    He is unfortunately, a very intelligent man. He's survived in the Russian political system longer than anyone else. Russia has been the worse off with his brand of flamboyant nationalism
    One could not even imagine such a public figure in the Soviet-era, saying the shit that he does. The role of the political class back then was to try and educate people; albeit limited to a single doctrine, but nevertheless not dumb them down.
    Yet under our modern-day oligarchy such actor-buffoons are in good demand and the end result is just an expansion and acceptance of the lumpen-proletariat worldview in society, for that's the segment of the population that his party and rhetoric appeals to.
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    Post  ALAMO Tue Sep 21, 2021 9:12 am

    That is without any doubt, not only intelligent but very well educated either.
    I actually like to listen to him, because he is so vibrant, and some of his thesis are a salt poured into fresh wound Laughing
    The best result is, when he clashes with some bigots or self-proclaiming moral authorities.
    Still, he is an idiot Laughing
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    Post  medo Tue Sep 21, 2021 9:43 am

    I would not say Zhirinovsky is an idiot. He is a polititian and talk BS laudly for his audience who expect from him to talk BS. But on the other hand his geostrategical analyses and predictions many times prove correct after many years. He is smart man who mask himself as an idiot.

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    Post  ALAMO Tue Sep 21, 2021 9:48 am

    You have a point, but this is semantics.
    I suppose we all think alike and using idiot's name to call his behavior rather than skills.
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    Post  flamming_python Tue Sep 21, 2021 10:04 am

    A rare specimen captured of 'serious' Zhirinovsky talking geo-politics



    Knows his stuff
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    Post  George1 Tue Sep 21, 2021 10:50 am

    Zhirinofsky in Iraq, 11 Feb 1998

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    Post  jhelb Tue Sep 21, 2021 11:00 am

    medo wrote:I would not say Zhirinovsky is an idiot. He is a polititian and talk BS laudly for his audience who expect from him to talk BS. But on the other hand his geostrategical analyses and predictions many times prove correct after many years. He is smart man who mask himself as an idiot.
    Good point. Just because he has Russia greater interest in mind and has opposed the entry of migrants into Russia does not make him a bad person.

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    Post  kvs Sat Sep 25, 2021 2:10 pm



    Traitors inside MinPromTorg the government contracting agency are trying to sabotage the move to domestic CPUs designed
    in Russia with palm greasing by Yadro and other contractors who have been making a killing selling Intel and AMD based computers
    for years.

    People yap that there is no civil society in Russia. Well, this corruption is being turned into a political issue by the grass roots.
    One Youtube creator has already created enough attention on this issue that the big plans of Yadro are going off the rails.
    Ostashko is promising to push the information through his contacts. Yadro has come up with a cockamamie scheme where it
    claims it will produce a domestic CPU by adapting the RISC-V open architecture in some absurd time frame and with absurd
    performance characteristics. The maggots in MinPromTorg are all to willing to buy this steaming pile of BS. It looks like they
    will not get their way.

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    Post  GarryB Sun Sep 26, 2021 4:58 am

    Good point. Just because he has Russia greater interest in mind and has opposed the entry of migrants into Russia does not make him a bad person.

    No country should allow illegal migrants a free reign, but what makes him an idiot is that he doesn't think or talk... he acts... like the US has been doing the last 30 years and how is that working out for him.

    His kneejerk over reactions would not be in Russian interests... he reminds me of Madeline Allbright or Hillary Clinton with their no fly zones and invasion and intervention mentality, but for most of the time Russia simply didn't have the military or political power to follow through with his revenge politics.

    If Russia had shot down F-16s in response to the Su-24 shot down would Russia be better off?

    Would it have returned their lost plane and two lost people from that incident?

    The world would have taken note that Russia seeks revenge rather than seeks long term solutions... Russia would just be considered like Israel and the US... powder explosives waiting for the spark to set them off.

    Of course in Georgia they would have occupied the entire country and gone for regime change and perhaps invaded Ukraine and taken Kiev... but considering the reactions and the cost of such goals they would not be better off now and would be stuck with two more fucked up countries they need to breast feed and of course no amount of time on the nipple will be enough for those bastards.... they would drink Russia dry and still complain that they are hungry.

    Putin has gotten Russia to the point where it is strong enough now that it can choose to talk or it can choose to walk away from the west without critical damage to its economy because it is now independent enough to look for alternative options.

    They never would have gotten that far with a Stalin or Zhirinovsky.

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