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    Politics and Government of Russia

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    Post  Viktor Thu Jan 16, 2020 10:49 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    My thoughts exactly

    Russia is adopting the system of the West, a toothless president, a toothless parliament, and the grey cardinals, intelligence and other establishment holding levers of pressure if not reigns.

    Not necessarily as West. Russian way will likely have its own characteristics where "toothless parliament, and the grey cardinals, intelligence and other establishment holding levers of pressure" does not need to be Smile

    Russia as a sovereign now needs strong and smart leaders to assure that when change in generation happens there are those who can attain their position confidently doing the work and passing it on to the next generation. Young leaders tend to drift away in thought and strength without even noticing change thus guidance from a wiser and more knowledgeable person is needed to achieve stability and focus.

    This announcement came as a shock and no one predicted it. Level of western intelligence and its media arm completely missed and their interpretation of the political processes in Russia failed miserably. No one predicted such development meaning no one had a clue about whats really going on in Russia. Its all spam Smile


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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Thu Jan 16, 2020 10:58 pm

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    Firebird wrote:So I wonder if members here think that Mishustin is a future head of Russia after Putin? Or if it will be others instead?

    Politics and Government of Russia - Page 18 Using-a-crystal-ball

    this is a good question. Not sure if Dyumin (Oreskhin I do not  consider too much of an economy expert) but surely nobody from Vth column (living 25 years in Russia and no foreign citizenship or stay abroad in any form  lol1  lol1  lol1 )







    Rodion_Romanovic wrote:
    Firebird wrote:
    So I wonder if members here think that Mishustin is a future head of Russia after Putin? Or if it will be others instead?

    It is just my personal opinion,  but I believe that Mishustin is just the competent person needed to lead the economic reforms and somebody else will succeed Putin. I believe that Putin successor will have most probably also military or FSB or state security background, in addition to strong political credentials.


    ditto, perhps Dyumin can have place here? Mishustin  looks like pretty effective manager, not politician by any way.
    he could be. Dyumin had anyway at least another year and half in his term as Governor of Tula until end of 2021. We will see what happens after that. Maybe he could stay for one year or so as deputy first minister or deputy foreign minister to gain experience in other areas before replacing the prime minister sometimes in 2023, and putin could leave a few months earlier than the actual end of his mandate in order to put him as his successor and giving him more chances during the elections.

    Ot maybe dyumin will just serve as a competent sidekick and the proposed Putin replacement will come as a complete surprise.
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    Post  PapaDragon Thu Jan 16, 2020 11:13 pm

    flamming_python wrote:......
    My thoughts exactly

    Russia is adopting the system of the West, a toothless president, a toothless parliament, and the grey cardinals, intelligence and other establishment holding levers of pressure if not reigns.

    Smart move, it has proven to be most efficient approach

    Russia has been using Reagan's playbook to get herself back on her feet and into decent shape so building deep state system is next logical step

    Stick with what works


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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Thu Jan 16, 2020 11:35 pm

    Rodion_Romanovic wrote:
    he could be. Dyumin had anyway at least another year and half in his term as Governor of Tula until end of 2021. We will see what happens after that. Maybe he could stay for one year or so as deputy first minister or deputy foreign minister to gain experience in other areas before replacing the prime minister sometimes in 2023, and putin could leave a few months earlier than the actual end of his mandate in order to put him as his successor and giving him more chances during the elections.

    Ot maybe dyumin will just serve as a competent sidekick and the proposed Putin replacement will come as a complete surprise.


    Putin is a colonel, Dyumin a general so appointment of Dyumin seems to be natural lol1 lol1 lol1 Uncle Vova as an experienced strategist unlikely unveils his aces up in his sleeves. Like Medvedev - did the dirty job to be disliked, until current action was prepared and people ready for coming reforms.




    Kudrin did not receive offers to join the new government

    https://tass.ru/ekonomika/7538219


    lol1 lol1 lol1



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    Post  flamming_python Fri Jan 17, 2020 2:19 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:......
    My thoughts exactly

    Russia is adopting the system of the West, a toothless president, a toothless parliament, and the grey cardinals, intelligence and other establishment holding levers of pressure if not reigns.

    Smart move, it has proven to be most efficient approach

    Russia has been using Reagan's playbook to get herself back on her feet and into decent shape so building deep state system is next logical step

    Stick with what works



    The problem is that such systems will stagnate and be resistant to change

    Like the Soviet Poliburou, and today's American deep state - they're stuck on autopilot

    If Yeltsin and the Oligarchs had succeeded in building up such a system, Putin would have remained the figure he had been from 2000-2002, and never would have been able to shake up the system and get rid of the corrupt old guard.
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    Post  PapaDragon Fri Jan 17, 2020 3:24 pm


    Yeltsin and his gang failed to build that system precisely because they were corrupt

    It worked in USA for nearly a century before it started cracking so if Russia implements it she will be covered for quite a while

    What should be done afterwards is a question for much later time, for now what matters is that Russia secures herself while demographic changes in USA and Europe take hold over next several decades which will create much safer environment for Russia and deflect problems originating from USA and Europe towards areas other than Russia

    This will create much more favorable global environment

    And there is always the fact that Russia will have luxury of being able to observe mistakes of others before they make same ones themselves and adapt accordingly



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    Post  calripson Fri Jan 17, 2020 4:14 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:......
    My thoughts exactly

    Russia is adopting the system of the West, a toothless president, a toothless parliament, and the grey cardinals, intelligence and other establishment holding levers of pressure if not reigns.

    Smart move, it has proven to be most efficient approach

    Russia has been using Reagan's playbook to get herself back on her feet and into decent shape so building deep state system is next logical step

    Stick with what works



    The problem is that such systems will stagnate and be resistant to change

    You should read the neocons favorite philosopher Leo Strauss. The US Deep State is an operational bureaucracy that does the bidding of the real powers that be. Ultimate control rests with the creators of the global financial system.

    Like the Soviet Poliburou, and today's American deep state - they're stuck on autopilot

    If Yeltsin and the Oligarchs had succeeded in building up such a system, Putin would have remained the figure he had been from 2000-2002, and never would have been able to shake up the system and get rid of the corrupt old guard.
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    Post  miketheterrible Sat Jan 18, 2020 11:40 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:......
    My thoughts exactly

    Russia is adopting the system of the West, a toothless president, a toothless parliament, and the grey cardinals, intelligence and other establishment holding levers of pressure if not reigns.

    Smart move, it has proven to be most efficient approach

    Russia has been using Reagan's playbook to get herself back on her feet and into decent shape so building deep state system is next logical step

    Stick with what works



    The problem is that such systems will stagnate and be resistant to change

    Like the Soviet Poliburou, and today's American deep state - they're stuck on autopilot

    If Yeltsin and the Oligarchs had succeeded in building up such a system, Putin would have remained the figure he had been from 2000-2002, and never would have been able to shake up the system and get rid of the corrupt old guard.

    Its a shit ton better than having a personality cult around a single individual to run the country. It ended up becoming a problem where the country stagnates unless the single individual acts - something where a lot of these other politicians need to be accounted for.

    In theory, this is supposed to help fix that.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Fri Jan 24, 2020 12:16 am

    Not sure if this is nto economical too, but IMHO very important politic-wise news:

    https://www.rbc.ru/economics/22/01/2020/5e276e679a7947b923757001

    Mishustin's cabinet received an economic ideologist from the Kremlin


    Will the government abandon the “no money” thesis to boost GDP growth
    Rearrangements in the financial and economic bloc of the government indicate a change in priorities - the theme of controlling budget spending gives way to stimulating GDP growth. But experts do not advise waiting from the cabinet for a sharp increase in costs


    The financial and economic bloc in the new government of Mikhail Mishustin has undergone radical changes, and the most important of them is the appointment of Andrei Belousov, First Deputy Prime Minister, who has served as president’s assistant for economics for more than six years. Former First Deputy Prime Minister Anton Siluanov agreed to a formal demotion, retaining the post of Minister of Finance.

    Belousov is a professional economist, who is usually referred to as conductors, that is, to supporters of active state intervention in the economy. Belousov’s figure is associated with the idea of ​​boosting national projects and their active state financing, says Dmitry Dolgin, chief economist at ING for Russia and the CIS. “Probably, the intensity of spending underexplored budget expenditures that have accumulated in the region of 1% of GDP, and the implementation of national projects will accelerate,” he suggested.

    In 2019, the federal budget was not implemented by 5.8%, or more than 1.1 trillion rubles, which was the maximum deviation from the planned amount of expenditures since 2007. Including national projects did not have time to spend about 150 billion rubles. The new prime minister has already said that the work on national projects will be “forced” - Belousov’s task will be to prevent the Ministry of Finance from blocking the allocation of funds for these purposes (something that could be easily done when the positions of the Minister of Finance and the First Deputy Prime Minister were combined Siluanov), says Tom Adced, Macro Advisory Research Director for Moscow.

    The previous government was associated with anti-crisis policies, fiscal consolidation, the restoration of reserves and increased taxes amid falling oil prices and sanctions, as well as the unpopular pension reform that affected its ratings, Renaissance Capital notes. The new cabinet will, on the contrary, be associated with supporting economic growth, implementing national projects and social initiatives from a recent message from President Vladimir Putin, an investment bank writes in a review.


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    According to various estimates, the implementation of the announced measures will require an additional 300 billion to 500 billion rubles. only in 2020. Petr Sidorov, an economist at Deutsche Bank, agrees that under the new government, the risk of such a significant under-utilization of budget funds as in 2019 will decrease, and Renaissance Capital sees the prospects of "limited budget incentives."

    It will probably not be necessary to change the design of the budget rule (sets the marginal cost of the budget, excess oil revenues more than $ 42.4 per barrel are allocated to reserves) in order to finance the president’s costly social initiatives at a level of about 0.5% of GDP per year - I have already spoken about this Siluanov. The reserves are planned to be found in a spending closer to 100% of the budgeted appropriations and the redistribution of expenses from lower priority to social. In addition, you can spend more money from the National Wealth Fund (NWF) within the limits allowed by law (NWF investments are not formally considered as expenses, and therefore are not bound by the budget rule. - RBC ), says Oleg Shibanov, NES professor of finance.


    Подробнее на РБК:
    https://www.rbc.ru/economics/22/01/2020/5e276e679a7947b923757001


    finally 1.1 T Rub surplus and social programmes underfunded time seems to be over. look at RBC commentator:
    in order to finance the president’s costly social initiatives at a level of about 0.5% of GDP per year

    +++
    the implementation of the announced measures will require an additional 300 billion to 500 billion rubles. only in 2020

    whe budget has surplus of 1.1 trillion Rub?! WTF








    Tsavo Lion wrote:
    Now the US is getting ready to directly confront Russia along its perimeter. But they will fail like Turkey, Sweden, England, Poland, France, & Germany before them.

    Pity Tramp & his interest group is about to be kicked out by democrats's deep state, with people li,ke him some reasonable compromise could be achieved.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Sat Jan 25, 2020 1:10 am

    Rodion_Romanovic wrote:
    he could be. Dyumin had anyway at least another year and half in his term as Governor of Tula until end of 2021. We will see what happens after that. Maybe he could stay for one year or so as deputy first minister or deputy foreign minister to gain experience in other areas before replacing the prime minister sometimes in 2023, and putin could leave a few months earlier than the actual end of his mandate in order to put him as his successor and giving him more chances during the elections.

    Ot maybe dyumin will just serve as a competent sidekick and the proposed Putin replacement will come as a complete surprise.


    Hehe we'll need to live to see, but in every case this make sense to me.
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    Post  kvs Wed Mar 11, 2020 9:59 pm



    All the usual Russia-hating suspects are bitching and moaning about the move to remove term limits. The above video makes a good
    case why term limits are BS for Russia.

    With term limits the president becomes a "lame duck" in the second half of his send term in the USA. Nobody cares about him and various
    groups and interests wait for the next president to come on the scene. That works for America with its two party state structure since
    there is no venue to push a candidate outside the existing channels.

    In Russia, if Putin became a lame duck, then you would see something close to a free for all by all sorts of interests to push their candidate
    into office. This would destroy the national stability that Putin built after 1999 which has restored prosperity to Russia. You can claim
    that Putin failed to establish a proper system where he would not have to be the perpetual care-taker. Well, building a US two party
    regime with all the interests lined up like ducks in a row was never possible for Russia in the first place. After the mess the oligarchs
    made during the 1990s, the public was not going to put up with a western style servile government representing de facto some conjunction
    of elites. Putin established a real government for and of the people. His "regime" is keeping the oligarchs and assorted private interests
    who want to be a deep state under control. The negative aspect of this equilibrium is that the regime cannot rely on special interests
    to inject their whore candidate in a predictable fashion. Putin has to find the right political candidate and the right time to enable a
    transition of power.

    So the real issue is not Putin's authoritarianism, which does not exist, it is the lack of western style deep state stability where star chambers
    choose who the public can vote for and what policies are acceptable. Russia simply does not have such pseudo-totalitarianism. The moment
    Putin retires there can be a 1990s bloodbath where a western style deep state representing vested interests tries to take root. This is
    probably too much cognitive dissonance for many people who think that their placebo elections in the west mean something. But Russia
    has the closest thing to democracy in a major power around. That is why it is not stable and has to engage in such a slow process
    of succession.

    The Trump presidency in the USA is good evidence of the existence of a deep state in the "free west". You can see the absurd collaboration
    between the US "free media" the Democrat Party, state organs of power (FBI, CIA, and judiciary) in trying to stage a coup. The reason
    for this fight to be in the open is that the US is at a cross roads. The globalization offshoring path has turned into a dead end since
    the marginal returns from the developing world are falling fast. The USA failed to seize global capitalism and China and India are nurturing
    their own trans-national mega-corps. So the spice flow back to the USA is diminishing when originally it showed promise of unbounded
    growth. Just think, the US deep state elites could throw about 150 million US consumers under the bus and get over 600 million consumers
    in mostly China and India. But this greed-driven delusion did not last. Then we have the serious exogenous shock of increasing cost
    of oil which makes global shipping more expensive and eventually will kill it. At the same time, the China sweatshop and other sweatshops
    are disappearing as workers are paid more and more. In fact, this issue is so serious that Congress sent a mission to China a few years
    ago literally centered on the increasing labour costs in China. Trump represents the part of the US deep state elites that have woken
    up and smelled the death of globalism. The Democrats represent the part of the deep state that is drinking the business as usual koolaid.
    Hillary's threats to fight Russia in Syria mark this delusion clearly.

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    Post  GarryB Thu Mar 12, 2020 1:56 am

    The west can bitch and moan all they like... they already call them communists anyway and don't recognise any democratic process that results in Putin winning an election so why would anyone give a fuck about what the western media says.

    The only opinions that matter are the opinions of the Russian people.
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    Post  PhSt Thu Mar 12, 2020 3:44 am


    Whatever Putin is planning to do, he needs to come up with a solid plan to create a government system in Russia that is immune to Western interference and sabotage. Putin cannot live forever to be around to safeguard Russia's stability. Russia needs to develop its own powerful deep state that will work to serve only Russia's interest and no one else.
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    Post  GarryB Thu Mar 12, 2020 7:08 am

    X2
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    Post  flamming_python Thu Mar 12, 2020 11:56 am

    The more you try to create a 'deep state', rob people of the possibility to choose an alternative, and create rigidity - the less responsive the system is to change, the more susceptible it is to corruption, and ultimately; can all come crashing down anyway and far worse than it would if people had an outlet.

    I like that Putin defends Russian interests and everything and isn't some corrupt Western puppet with holiday homes and bank accounts there; like you'd find among the leaders of the Ukraine. That's swell.

    But it's not up to him to decide whether such a policy is suitable forever for Russia. He's not qualified to make such a decision for 150 million people. No-one is.
    If the people decide they'd be better off with a pro-Western Navalny or whatever they have that right. If they decide they want to give socialism another go they have the right too.
    Because what's the alternative? Some unelected intellectual vanguard that decides for the people what their values, thinking, etc... should be? Sounds like the liberal totalitarianism in the EU and US actually.
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    Post  kvs Thu Mar 12, 2020 1:41 pm

    PhSt wrote:
    Whatever Putin is planning to do, he needs to come up with a solid plan to create a government system in Russia that is immune to Western interference and sabotage. Putin cannot live forever to be around to safeguard Russia's stability. Russia needs to develop its own powerful deep state that will work to serve only Russia's interest and no one else.

    You snap your fingers and expect Putin to come up with a system nobody created before (that I am aware of). You talk about a Russian
    deep state as if it will be any better than the western deep states. Observational evidence points to the fact that the any Russian
    deep state (aka control of the state by the rich) will integrate itself with NATzO since it will assume that it will make more money
    that way. You can see this behaviour in all the post-commie eastern European elites including Russia during the 1990s.

    The process of Russia coming up with its own stable system is going to take more than just Putin. This project will have to survive
    after he leaves office. Unfortunately, too many "patriotic" Russians are idiots who fetishize monarchies and commissars. They do
    not understand how the economy and the social power hierarchy really work. So the people are their own worst enemy.

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    Post  kvs Thu Mar 12, 2020 11:00 pm



    The regime in Vladimir Oblast needs to be shot. They have engaged in criminally negligent payment cuts to critical workers that
    resulted in a 3 fold reduction in ambulance paramedics (after a 15000 ruble per month pay cut). The ambulances are not
    being maintained either so only 15 of them are in working order. Basically a 3rd world toilet has been made through grossly
    incompetent or 5th column criminal management by the rotten governor.

    The above is an example why life sucks for most humans. There are no mechanisms for swift action and justice. I believe
    that citizens should be able to launch popular impeachment action with zero waiting periods. If the governor is not a slime
    who needs to be removed, then he has no fear that he will be impeached. If he is, then tough luck. Even if some
    regime change agitators could organize an impeachment, that does not mean they would win. The impeachment would be
    up for a popular vote. I think that a critical list of signatures needs to be imposed based on a percentage of the total
    population in the given administrative region.

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    Post  GarryB Fri Mar 13, 2020 4:11 am

    But it's not up to him to decide whether such a policy is suitable forever for Russia. He's not qualified to make such a decision for 150 million people. No-one is.

    But he is not putting in place laws that mean he stays in power for the next 20 years, he is putting in place laws that allow the Russian people decide who they want to lead them... if the people of Russia end up being sick of Putin they can always vote for someone else... he is not making any decision for them, he is giving them the choice.... something a monarchy does not do... imagine the British being given the vote to decide when Liz gives up the role and also who will take over in her place...
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    Post  George1 Fri Jun 26, 2020 11:28 am

    Turnout at online vote on Russian constitutional amendments surpasses 49.5%

    The online vote began on June 25 and will end on June 30

    MOSCOW, June 26. /TASS/. The turnout at the online vote on the amendments to Russia’s Constitution amounted to 49.51% at 06.30 Moscow time on Friday, Deputy Chairman of Moscow’s Civic Chamber Alexei Venediktov wrote on his Telegram channel.

    "The turnout at the online vote was 49.51% at 06:30. About 2,000 people voted last night (from 00:00 to 06:00)," he wrote.

    The online vote began on Thursday at 10:00 Moscow time. Previously registered voters from the Moscow and the Nizhny Novgorod Region can take part in the vote.

    According to previous reports, about 1 mln people had registered to vote in Moscow and nearly 140,000 had done the same in the Nizhny Novgorod Region. The online vote began on June 25 and will end on June 30.

    The vote on constitutional amendments


    ADVERTISEMENT
    On March 11, the Russian State Duma (lower house of parliament) approved the final reading of the constitutional amendments bill proposed by Russian President Vladimir Putin. On the same day, it was approved by the Russian Federation Council (upper house of parliament) and Russia’s regional parliaments.

    A public vote is being held on the proposed constitutional amendments. If over 50% of the Russian public approve of the changes, the bill will enter into force.

    The vote was initially set to take place on April 22, however, Putin chose to postpone it due to the situation with the spread of the novel coronavirus (COVID-19) in Russia. During a working session earlier, Putin approved July 1, 2020, as the new date for the vote. The vote will be held over a seven-day period ending on July 1 due to epidemiological concerns.

    The document proposes to expand the powers of the Russian parliament and the Russian Constitutional Court, a fixed number of presidential terms, as well as the prevalence of the Russian Constitution over international agreements. The document also expands the government’s obligations in the social sphere. The amendments to the Constitution stipulate that the Russian head of state can only serve two terms, however, one of the amendments proposes that the current president can be re-elected if the new version of the Constitution comes into force.

    https://tass.com/politics/1171807
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    Post  miketheterrible Thu Jul 02, 2020 7:24 am

    https://www.rt.com/russia/493482-russia-vote-constitution-preliminary-results/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

    Russians voted, majority in favor (over 70%). So it's good.
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    Post  Cyberspec Thu Jul 02, 2020 12:07 pm

    Better than I expected Very Happy

    This is a pretty important event
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Thu Jul 02, 2020 2:29 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:https://www.rt.com/russia/493482-russia-vote-constitution-preliminary-results/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

    Russians voted, majority in favor (over 70%).  So it's good.

    Should of included the nationalization of the Central Bank, whether by buying up financial assets or by force (my preferable method).
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    Post  miketheterrible Thu Jul 02, 2020 3:53 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:https://www.rt.com/russia/493482-russia-vote-constitution-preliminary-results/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

    Russians voted, majority in favor (over 70%).  So it's good.

    Should of included the nationalization of the Central Bank, whether by buying up financial assets or by force (my preferable method).

    I believe that can come afterwards. They don't have anything in law that allows government to seize any kind of assets owned if they are legally binding and with their constitution favoring the ECHR and other foreign based courts, would ruin Russia if they decided to take it in such a manner. In due time.

    This is a huge win for Russians. The 25% who said no are liberals and communists. Mostly communists since liberals are like 2% of the country
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    Post  PhSt Thu Jul 02, 2020 4:48 pm


    with their constitution favouring the ECHR and other foreign based courts, would ruin Russia if they decided to take it in such a manner.

    Not sure if im missing something but isn't the latest amendment designed to correct this?
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    Post  miketheterrible Thu Jul 02, 2020 11:29 pm

    Yeap.

    Also, the libtards and commies are all in a meltdown. They are all saying the results are fake, and even Navalny claims he knows because he can read the minds of half of Russians.

    In other words, they can't and won't acknowledge the results cause they can't admit they are wrong. Guess all the times they lose elections and claim it's all rigged, when foreign entities monitor Russia's votes and admit it's more honest; it isn't enough for them to get the hint.

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