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    Post  owais.usmani Thu Apr 28, 2022 8:57 am



    Europe is going green at last! cheers

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    Post  GarryB Thu Apr 28, 2022 10:45 am

    Till they find out that green means cold in winter and hot in summer and lots of jobs are going to disappear because some factories and businesses that rely on cheap gas for energy suddenly become unprofitable when you buy gas from neighbours and third parties...

    Perhaps this is something the west needs to force it to back up its BS rhetoric about tightening their belts to save the planet... normally they expect others to do that.
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    Post  Kiko Mon May 02, 2022 9:33 pm

    Russian gas breaks the European Union, by Gevorg Mirzayan for VZGLYAD. 01.05.2022.

    Europe is ready to apply sanctions not only against Russia, but also against itself. The European Commission is discussing the possibility of punishing those EU countries that have agreed to pay for Russian gas in Russian currency. What will these sanctions look like and what sad consequences will they bring to Europe?

    Beat your own so that strangers are afraid - especially if your own turned out to be not quite your own. The European Commission promises to use this principle in relation to those countries that violate bloc discipline. In particular, they circumvent the sanctions imposed by the European Union against Russia (according to the European Commission itself, of course).

    There is no unity

    “The legal framework is such that if an EU country fails to fulfill its obligation to apply sanctions, the European Commission can launch a legal procedure against such a state. Of course, I did not say that we are already at this stage. Not at all. If a European enterprise acts according to the rules stipulated by the Russian decree, in the end, it will pay in a currency that will be converted by the Russian authorities at an uncontrolled rate and terms in a ruble account. And this, of course, violates the sanctions regime,” said European Commission spokesman Eric Mamer.

    This question is extremely subtle. The fact is that the unity of the European Union is one of the creeds of the organization (which positions itself as one big family of European peoples), as well as its legal pillars. A significant part of decisions in the EU must be made by consensus. And if national governments always put their own selfish interests above the pan-European ones (in the Brussels sense of the word, of course), then the European Union will be simply paralyzed.

    And now this creed is under threat due to the mistakes of the European Union itself and the use of these mistakes by Russia. Brussels' theft of Russia's gold and foreign exchange reserves and its willingness to steal the money Europe would pay for Russian gas prompted Moscow to issue an ultimatum to Europe: Either it pays in rubles through a euro transfer to a Russian bank (where the money will be safe) or Gazprom turns the valve on.

    “The European Union is existentially dependent on Russian gas. Whatever the European Commission may say now, the EU countries cannot afford to refuse Russian gas. And one of the most important results of the demand that Russia announced to pay for gas in rubles was the split of the EU on the gas issue, termination of the subjectivity of the European Commission and Brussels in the field of regulation of gas relations. Some countries and companies have already come out in favor of adopting the new rules, while others are against it, and are deprived of Russian gas imports. There was a bilateralization of gas relations between Russia and the EU countries, as well as the destruction of the unity of the European Union, ”Dmitry Suslov, deputy director of the Center for Comprehensive European and International Studies at the Higher School of Economics, explains to the VZGLYAD newspaper.

    That is, to put it simply, the European Union did not dare to ban the member countries from using the Russian scheme (since there would be no gas then, and the scheme is quite legal), but did not approve it either (since this would be perceived as a weakness of Brussels), offering the member countries decide for yourself.

    There is no wisdom

    Apparently, in Europe, from the very beginning, this approach was considered a kind of “lesser evil” – a necessary payment, a concession for maintaining unity. “Solidarity is faltering, but in general, it is still preserved. The main difference is in the readiness to arm Ukraine and refuse to buy Russian energy resources. Otherwise, solidarity is quite in place, ”explains Vadim Trukhachev, associate professor at the Russian State Humanitarian University, to the VZGLYAD newspaper.

    However, firstly, a number of member countries that advocate a tougher sanctions approach to the Russian Federation did not like this weakness. The Polish authorities have already proposed to “punish” those states that have expressed their readiness to buy Russian gas in rubles. “From a political point of view, it is necessary for every country to know that Russia's help to circumvent sanctions can lead to the imposition of such sanctions against it,” said Lithuanian Foreign Minister Gabrielius Landsbergis.

    Secondly, Moscow has already made it clear that the transfer of unfriendly countries to ruble payments for gas is only the first sign. It is possible that in the near future other goods, such as wheat, will be transferred to the same scheme.

    Of course, there may not be a transfer, but for this it is necessary that Europe stop the sanctions rage. But this will not happen, because the United States and a number of Eastern European countries insist on the speedy adoption of the next package of sanctions against Russia. Which in itself will also become a problem.

    “The content of the new package of sanctions is still unknown, but we can definitely say that they will hit European countries at least no less than Russia. All options that are relatively safe for European economies have already been tested, ”Dmitry Ofitserov-Belsky, senior researcher at IMEMO RAS, explains to the VZGLYAD newspaper. This means that member countries will either rebel or be forced to look for ways to circumvent sanctions. “The stronger the economic problems of the EU, the less this solidarity will be. Shared values ​​are good when the rest of the basic needs are satisfied, but trouble is with them, ”Ivan Lizan, head of the analytical bureau of the SONAR-2050 project, explains to the VZGLYAD newspaper.

    The European Union has two ways out of this difficult situation. The correct one is to accept a demo package, emasculated from some serious steps.

    “European solidarity is strong enough, the EU will avoid decisions that will lead to the violation of the sanctions regime by the member states. If, for example, an oil embargo is imposed on countries, and they evade it, then this is not in the interests of the EU, ”Ivan Timofeev, RIAC Program Director, explains to the VZGLYAD newspaper. Wrong, but in line with the views of European bureaucrats, is to follow the tastes of Estonia, Poland, Latvia, introduce tough measures and threaten with punishments for non-fulfilment. And, judging by the words of Eric Mamer, Brussels went the wrong way.

    No power

    The first candidate for flogging is Hungary. On April 27, the European Commissioner for Budget and Administration, Johannes Hahn, sent a letter to the Hungarian government notifying that a mechanism was activated in relation to Budapest, reducing payments from the European budget to the Hungarian one. Formally, so far - for violating the principles of European law (Hungary refuses to comply with EU LGBT standards), but the irony is that Budapest is doing this together with Warsaw, which Brussels is not going to punish yet. Probably for her correct position on the Russian question.

    The Hungarian authorities are already protesting. According to Andor Dely, an MP from the Fidesz party, Hungary is ready for negotiations with the EU, ready to take into account European concerns, but will not compromise on two key issues. “We will not get involved in a war and we will protect our children,” the deputy said.

    Translated from intra-Hungarian to understandable, this means that the country will not supply weapons to Ukraine, suffer for Ukraine and provide its territory for the supply of weapons to Ukraine, and will not allow LGBT propaganda into the education and television system. It is unlikely that such an approach will satisfy the European Commission - after all, flogging should be indicative.

    However, the question is, how serious will it be? The fact is that the European Union does not have effective tools for punishing member countries, and everything that exists must be adopted by consensus (with the exception of the voice of the guilty).

    “The favorite pastime of the European bureaucracy, apart from decarbonization and the imposition of the ESG agenda, is to threaten the national governments of the EU member states with death penalties. It is not the first year that they have been threatening to punish the rebels, regardless of Russia. Yes, now there is a solid reason - Russia is forcibly recapturing their colony represented by Ukraine from the EU. But I doubt that the frondier countries themselves will agree to throw a stranglehold on themselves, giving the European bureaucracy the opportunity to punish,” explains Ivan Lizan.

    The fact is that not only Hungarians, but also many other countries (both on issues of Russia and on issues of values) are potential violators of European sanctions and norms. And none of them - not even the Poles with all their calls - are unlikely to agree to create a precedent for the European Commission, giving it a serious whip in its hands. So “Hungary can be separated from the money received from European funds. They can also temporarily deprive them of the right to vote in the European Council and the EU Council of Ministers,” says Vadim Trukhachev. “The maximum is a daily cumulative fine, as in the case of Poland, a reduction in funding from European programs, and, perhaps, everything,” adds Ivan Lizan.

    Such is it, European solidarity.

    https://vz.ru/world/2022/5/1/1156531.html

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    Post  GarryB Tue May 03, 2022 4:53 am

    Secondly, Moscow has already made it clear that the transfer of unfriendly countries to ruble payments for gas is only the first sign. It is possible that in the near future other goods, such as wheat, will be transferred to the same scheme.

    Honestly I am hoping the next round of sanctions on Russia are super tough because that will allow Russia to impliment a rubles for everything policy towards the hostile countries... not that they buy a lot from Russia now of course...

    It also further convinces Russians what I have been saying for the better part of 20 years... the west hates you and wants you dead... look to the rest of the world there is a whole world out there under the thumb of the west with their growth and development limited by the west to prevent them achieving a comfortable standard of living... they do that to everyone...

    The future with Russia and China and India and Brazil and South Africa and other countries working together, helping each other, being glad of major steps forward by other countries and not seeing their success as being a threat to your own future, but something you can learn and use to help your own development and growth...

    It is so much healthier than what the west and the US at its head imposes on the world, where your position is determined by your value in terms of location or resources... Turkey is good enough to get into HATO because it has a good location, but not good enough to be considered European and therefore not allowed into the EU... Ukraine is useful to bring the fight right to the Russians but they wont get the not for the EU or HATO because that might drag the west into WWIII and they obviously don't want to lose their own people and cities in this "Game".

    Cuba is on Americas back door... central and south america is americas back yard.... other countries are not allowed...

    Well Russia is no longer trading and dealing with the west in any significant way which means they have to go to the rest of the world or risk isolation.
    Going to the rest of the world cuts out the middle man that was the west who took a cut of trade they had no real part in except skimming some money off the top even just for the US dollar transfer...

    I suspect the rest of the world will find dealing with Russia and China and India and other non western countries refreshing... and profitable.

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    Post  lyle6 Wed May 11, 2022 6:52 pm

    Friendly fire is on. Twisted Evil

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    Post  GarryB Thu May 12, 2022 1:32 am

    The problem is the standard EU response is to blame Russia.

    Wonder if this might fasttrack NSII which is sitting idle and ready to transmit gas as designed... the only stumbling block is political.

    The more gas they can pump to Asia and the sooner they can do that the better...

    Wonder which US thinktank came up with the idea of Ukraine blocking gas... didn't really work last time.
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    Post  lancelot Thu May 12, 2022 2:38 am

    The EU were idiots in not making their own banking transaction system separate from SWIFT after the US left the JCPOA.
    And they were idiots, again, when they allowed the US to coerce Swiss company Allseas into stopping the construction of NordStream 2.
    Finally, they were idiots when they dragged down the approval of NordStream 2.

    Anyway, they will be getting what they deserve. And after Germany led by Merkel stopped the construction of SouthStream I think Germany also had it coming.

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    Post  LMFS Thu May 12, 2022 6:16 am

    lancelot wrote:The EU were idiots in not making their own banking transaction system separate from SWIFT after the US left the JCPOA.
    And they were idiots, again, when they allowed the US to coerce Swiss company Allseas into stopping the construction of NordStream 2.
    Finally, they were idiots when they dragged down the approval of NordStream 2.

    Anyway, they will be getting what they deserve. And after Germany led by Merkel stopped the construction of SouthStream I think Germany also had it coming.

    The repression of dissent and brain washing in Europe since WWII has been brutal, to be fair. That does not detract from many Europeans being arrogant idiots, proud of being fucked dry by the Anglos and fully deserving what they may get, but still there are historic reasons for the sheer madness and suicidal policies on display, there is simply no-one left in the political class with a brain and the courage to use it properly.

    GarryB wrote:
    The problem is the standard EU response is to blame Russia.

    Wonder if this might fasttrack NSII which is sitting idle and ready to transmit gas as designed... the only stumbling block is political.

    The more gas they can pump to Asia and the sooner they can do that the better...

    Wonder which US thinktank came up with the idea of Ukraine blocking gas... didn't really work last time.

    Hahaha good one, we may still see these clowns Baerbock & Scholz at the inauguration of NSII Twisted Evil

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