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    Post  kvs Thu Dec 16, 2021 2:46 pm

    The NATzO modus operandi is clear.   Its fake stream media creates propaganda narratives and talking points.   These are then
    used to frame its actions against Russia.  So NATzO pushes its offensive military infrastructure to Russia's border.   But claims
    it is defending against Russian aggression.   It repeats the annexation of Crimea lie while in reality it was self-organized militias
    not even armed who stopped the Ukr thugs sent by Kiev to take over like they did in Kharkov.   Russian soldiers stationed
    in Sevastopol did not participate in this.   They secured the key airports to prevent military transport planes from Turkey and
    rump Ukraine from injecting militants.   A flight with Tatar jihadis trained in the Middle East was stopped from landing.  

    NATzO fake stream media consumers think that 12,000 soldiers (deployed already in Sevastopol and not moved in) can pacify 2.5
    million people without firing any shots.  The only incident during the "annexation" was a shootout at an Ukr military base where two
    soldiers were victims.  The so-called annexation is a referendum where the vast majority voted for a better life.  

    The "Putin offs his critics" narrative is a clear frame job.   The tiny amounts of such critics and the lack of any real motive exposes
    these narratives as lies.   Putin is supposedly offing people after letting them run around for over a decade doing maximal PR
    "damage" and then to do himself real damage.   These "Putin victims" were all has-beens who were fading into obscurity such as
    Politkovskaya and Nemtsov.  Litvinenko fits this category as well since his non-existent suitcase full of "evidence" was never
    produced even though he had years and years to do this.   All of these "Putin offings" serve NATzO propaganda agendas and
    it is NATzO deciders who had a clear motive to stage them.   Putin is obviously not a retard and would understand that offing some
    has-been serves no purpose.   Regimes in Latin America wasted no time in offing trade union organizers and journalists as soon
    as they had the chance.   The victims did not get to run around for decades doing what they pleased.  

    We have "reports" produced by so-called "independent" NATzO outfits that attempt to attribute every journalist death in Russia
    from 1992 on to Putin.  This includes Russian journalists killed in Chechnya and those killed by mafias throughout Russia when they
    did investigative reporting.   It also includes Paul Khlebnikov who wrote The Godfather of the Kremlin (I own this book) who was
    murdered.   Khlebnikov's book is about Boris Berezovsky and his crimes so why would Putin kill him?   This is the sort of inanity
    that NATzO sheeple lap up as Gospel Truth (TM).

    NATzO's hate campaign against Russia using Putin as the focus of its endless "two minutes' hate" is transparent.

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    Post  GarryB Fri Dec 17, 2021 4:06 am

    Still dont trust Putin, but I'm going to have to look into this.

    Putin is the president of Russia and he is working for Russia and Russians.

    He is not screwing his neighbours or business partners or just his customers, to call him a politician is a dishonour really.

    Putin has proven his loyalty to Russia and Russians.

    Which is why the west hates him... he wont knowingly screw his people and his country for personal gain or advancement.

    Why would he need to off anyone to
    stay in power?

    Offing some Chechen terrorist nutters would probably help his position, but Litvinenko and Skrypals are nobodies that the Russians don't care about... and to be fair the west doesn't care much about either, except they think they can damage Putin with these stories... amazing how investigative journalists are more interested in these dead men because Putin might have had something to do with their deaths but ignore the screeds of information Wikileaks released about murders committed by the US and all the covering up that went on to keep it secret and bury the stories in western media...

    Who wants to be the next Snowden or the next Assange?

    1) shoot someone with a silencer to silence a person, guaranteeing they are dead on the spot to prevent them from talking

    Or they got drunk and fell from a window, or had a car accident...

    Instead, they rely on BS nonsense from Bellingcat that relies on photoshopping evidence and making wild accusations with fake passport shit.

    Bellingcat is funded by the UK government and is staffed with UK ex intell staff and is a mechanism for the west to pretend to get independent information or made up information when said information does not exist. It means they can release classified information along with BS made up by these individuals to support a case that would not stand up in any court anywhere... to further their goals.

    NATzO's hate campaign against Russia using Putin as the focus of its endless "two minutes' hate" is transparent.

    The favourite propaganda of the west is the mirror... Putin murders political opposition... like we do... makes it believeable and if you don't know any better it is easier to just believe without any evidence to the contrary and if you watch the BBC and CNN and Fox News you will never see any evidence or ideas to the contrary.

    The real problem is most people don't actually care because at the end of the day it doesn't matter whether Putin is some Bond Villain and his crime is to steal money and income from the richest 1% in the west in wars the west are fighting to secure oil and lithium and other important things.

    The idea that he seems to be the most honest and level headed politician on the planet that actually cares and acts in the interests of his own people instead of his dick or his own personal wealth is not something the west wants you to think about... where are his western equivalents?

    They never get to power, or are corrupted on the way so they can be controlled because western leaders don't control squat.... they do what the people who fund them tell them to do or they are out.

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    Post  George1 Fri Dec 17, 2021 8:56 am

    EU summit agrees to extend anti-Russian economic sanctions by 6 months

    https://tass.com/world/1376831

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    Post  kvs Fri Dec 17, 2021 3:24 pm

    George1 wrote:EU summit agrees to extend anti-Russian economic sanctions by 6 months

    https://tass.com/world/1376831

    This has become automatic. It demonstrates that the EU is a total joke. It insists on self-injury out of
    spite for Russia. Anyone with a clue would understand by now that these sanctions actually help Russia
    and damage the EU.

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    Post  GarryB Sat Dec 18, 2021 1:47 am

    It is excellent... it prevents Russia becoming polluted by the filth that is the west... the rest of the world is the majority of the population of the planet and with the technology of Russia and China it could grow and develop on its own without the west controlling and pressuring them to feed the west...

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    Post  Airbornewolf Sat Dec 18, 2021 4:23 am

    GarryB wrote:It is excellent... it prevents Russia becoming polluted by the filth that is the west... the rest of the world is the majority of the population of the planet and with the technology of Russia and China it could grow and develop on its own without the west controlling and pressuring them to feed the west...

    Well, We need resources to keep our industry going (nord steam 2).
    "our" European arc furnaces have stopped operating as Gas is unaffordable right now.
    so the production of basic alloys has pretty much stalled right now in Europe.
    when it comes to advanced material manufacturing the EU is one of the best.
    Political games got in the way....

    When it comes to knowledge and ability's of workforce the EU does not bad either.
    We are not like the U.S where we have to import the expertise from outside the continent.
    Our educational systems create our own pioneers.

    Yet, of course....the EU is still subservient to U.S rule...
    Witch mean's, "we" pull our own carpet from under our feet.

    Whatever we try to achieve ourselves is meaningless untill we burn the leech off from europe.

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    Post  Hole Sat Dec 18, 2021 11:10 am

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    Laughing

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    Post  Hole Sat Dec 18, 2021 8:17 pm

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    Also nice

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    Post  GarryB Sun Dec 19, 2021 9:37 am

    Yet, of course....the EU is still subservient to U.S rule...
    Witch mean's, "we" pull our own carpet from under our feet.

    The irony for Europe is that they are so conditioned to take instructions from the US... ironically a former British Colony... that they don't understand that in this current monopolar world they will always be number two, but in a multipolar world they can make their own decisions and choose their own destiny without getting permission from the US or anyone else.

    Russia really can't take the EU seriously until the EU is prepared to put on big boy trousers and make its own decisions... when you go to a company you don't seek out the guy cleaning the toilets... you might talk to him... but not about anything important...
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    Post  GarryB Sun Dec 19, 2021 9:41 am

    Reminder this is an English Language website so translations are expected...

    The weight lifting bear cartoon only translated Russia on his T shirt but the other one:

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    Post  ALAMO Sun Dec 19, 2021 9:55 am

    The one with the bear is " Just look at him! What have we achieved?"

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    Post  Hole Sun Dec 19, 2021 11:20 am

    GarryB wrote:Reminder this is an English Language website so translations are expected...

    The weight lifting bear cartoon only translated Russia on his T shirt but the other one:

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    I tried to translate this pic but only the sign was translated.
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    Post  Godric Mon Dec 20, 2021 3:19 am

    France has made it clear that it does not want to return to cold war mentality with Russia and i suspect the Germans are the same as for London they've got bigger problems ie Scotland exiting the UK ... that will greatly reduce there place in the globe
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    Post  franco Sun Dec 26, 2021 10:48 am


    The EU demanded 290 billion euros of compensation from the Russian Federation for import substitution

    The European Union has demanded 290 billion euros in compensation from Russia for "discrimination" on European goods through the import substitution policy. This is stated in the appeal published on the WTO website.

    Russia, according to the content of the document, allegedly for a long time created measures that are unfavorable for European companies in the field of trade with Russian enterprises and other organizations. Speech, in particular, about the system of commercial purchases. In addition, it is reported that the EU has repeatedly raised this issue in the course of the WTO forums and within the framework of bilateral contacts, but there was no response.

    In 2019, the cost of tenders for state-owned enterprises in Russia, according to the organization, amounted to 23.5 trillion rubles, or approximately 290 billion euros. This amount is expressed in approximately 20% of Russia's GDP. Thus, the European Union called on the Russian Federation to bring the restrictions into the proper one in accordance with the WTO rules or to abolish them altogether. But Moscow noted that such measures are consistent with its obligations in the World Trade Organization.

    Earlier, the European Union extended economic sanctions against Russia. It is reported that the leaders of 27 countries called on the Russian Federation to fulfill its part of the deal, as well as the terms of the Minsk agreements. ■

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    Post  LMFS Sun Dec 26, 2021 11:47 am

    franco wrote:
    The EU demanded 290 billion euros of compensation from the Russian Federation for import substitution

    WTF??????????? I run out of words to describe the retardation of these folks...

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    Post  flamming_python Sun Dec 26, 2021 12:25 pm

    Import-substitution for the very same goods the European Union imposed sanctions against selling to Russia? Or those products that it could additionally cut out any time? Those are the things the EU demands Russia to buy?

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    Post  kvs Sun Dec 26, 2021 12:54 pm

    The little emperors have no clothes and no brains.

    Clearly hypocrisy is one of those cherished values that the west is based on.

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    Post  flamming_python Sun Dec 26, 2021 1:30 pm

    I think it's clear though that unable to intimidate Russia through the threat of switching off the Swift system or blocking Nord Stream 2, we're moving into an all-out trade war

    The EU will potentially start to block Russian imports outright. I mean in terms of value-added products, not resources that their industries need.
    Given that restricting what they export to Russia has not produced the desired effect, this step is only logical

    Now Russia of course mostly exports natural resources to the EU anyway, however the total amount of other products is not insignificant.
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    Post  LMFS Sun Dec 26, 2021 1:47 pm

    As said before, the West cannot use the military force but they can pretend that they are still legitimate masters of the international order if they avoid force confrontation and stick to sanctions to marginalize their rivals and force countries to stick to their financial system. Russia and China can always call out the military bluff of the West at a given hot spot of their choice (that is why US tried to pre-empt by saying they would not intervene in Ukraine) and demolish the foundations of their financial racket, while offering a new, more advantageous basis for trade relationships. Russia ensures the military side but cannot count on most of the world to ditch the West to trade with them, but not trading with China is an impossibility as of now for most countries, even those in the West. The offensive on both fronts should start already early in 2022

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    Post  GarryB Mon Dec 27, 2021 5:55 am

    Well, We need resources to keep our industry going (nord steam 2).
    "our" European arc furnaces have stopped operating as Gas is unaffordable right now.
    so the production of basic alloys has pretty much stalled right now in Europe.
    when it comes to advanced material manufacturing the EU is one of the best.
    Political games got in the way....

    Maybe this is what this is all about... by blocking gas pipes and starting hostilities against the primary energy supplier to the EU... the US doesn't give a shit about the Ukraine... that is obvious... a few hundred million for Javelins and other token toys that are like those shiny special christmas presents you wished and wished for as a kid but when you got them they were flimsy or needed batteries or didn't work the way you were expecting so you used them once or twice and then moved on to something else you wanted...

    The US is clearly trying to sabotage EU production... maybe lure some manufacturing to the US with stable electricity supply? Or just sabotage the rival by trying to damage Russia and getting the victim to blame it all on Russia too...

    What a shit thing to do to allies... but then ask the Kurds and the Afghans and the Turks...

    France has made it clear that it does not want to return to cold war mentality with Russia

    The problem is that their actions don't match their words... if this was true why are they still voting for sanctions?

    France saying they want good relations with Russia means nothing if they keep the sanctions and hostile stances that the rest of the EU projects towards Russia... their words of potential friendship or trade are meaningless.

    and i suspect the Germans are the same as for London they've got bigger problems ie Scotland exiting the UK ... that will greatly reduce there place in the globe

    What the Germans and French really think is meaningless if they attack Russia on command by their master the US of A.

    The UK is meaningless in this discussion now... and the UK have made themselves so... They have nuclear weapons but so what... if it comes to that a few extra Tridents coming their way wont matter... either they will be able to shoot them down or they wont... but the UK wont be able to stop what will be launched at them in either case.

    The question is... will London still be the European financial centre it is now or will it have moved to an EU country... which will likely be more of a concern to the UK than Russia.

    The EU demanded 290 billion euros of compensation from the Russian Federation for import substitution

    I love it when the EU show how ridiculous they are.

    I think it's clear though that unable to intimidate Russia through the threat of switching off the Swift system or blocking Nord Stream 2, we're moving into an all-out trade war

    Time for an alternative to WTO as well as SWIFT if this thing goes too far.

    Of course if they OK this then how many tens of trillions of dollars in costs and losses can Russia go the EU as a whole and Ukraine as a country for the costs of replacing sanctioned products?

    The EU will potentially start to block Russian imports outright. I mean in terms of value-added products, not resources that their industries need.
    Given that restricting what they export to Russia has not produced the desired effect, this step is only logical

    I suspect in the future they will claim that as a hydrocarbon exporter that Russia is responsible for all the carbon released into the atmosphere by its oil and gas customers (including the EU itself) and therefore every Russian product has to have a carbon tax added to it to pay the cost... and those carbon taxes will be calculated to make Russian products slightly more expensive than EU products in the EU market...

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    Post  kvs Tue Dec 28, 2021 5:00 pm



    The EU farce with the WTO "rules" claim against sanctioned Russia is deeper than it looks. The EU has been
    introducing trade restrictions in the guise of "environmentalism". So imports have to conform to ad hoc standards
    set by the EU as to how they were produced. This allows EU bureaucrats and to screw around and engage in
    capricious enforcement of standards. Basically this is a dirty type of protectionism that fully violates the rules
    of the WTO.

    Whenever the west is shrieking about something, you can be assured that they were guilty of it first and foremost.

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    Post  LMFS Tue Dec 28, 2021 10:12 pm

    They are used to imposing the type of competition killing, top down, bankster originated regulatory dictatorship that strangles most of the world's economy with ludicrous requirements and hurdles. And they think they can put Russia under this joke, because that is their command. I don't know if they are more retarded than arrogant or the other way around, but in both categories they are all-time world beaters indeed...

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    Post  GarryB Sat Jan 01, 2022 5:29 am

    This action through the WTO shows the EU is not unified... if it was all pro US then they would take the costs on the chin and just grin and bear it as part of the game.

    The fact that they want Russia to pay for losses incurred suggests that the voices of companies in the EU are getting louder about all the money they are losing all the contracts they are missing out because of EU sanctions and because of Russians sanctions in response to the EU and US sanctions.

    The existence of this attempt to recover some money in the form of damages suggests that the EU realises that Russia is not a crushed broken shell... because they clearly expect them to pay it, but also their own economic situation is forcing them to seek money anywhere they can get it.

    This is desperation stuff and when it does not succeed I wonder what the companies and 1% in the EU are going to do about it... will the US be ignored and some or all of the sanctions dropped in the hope that Russia will drop its sanctions too?

    Even if that happens how many contracts will the EU win now that they have Russian competition that has been doing the job for the last 5 years or so?

    Russia has also turned east so there will be other countries that will be preference over EU countries...

    New dry docks are being made in Turkey rather than Sweden or France... and I think the reasons why EU companies are not trusted is obvious... the threat of new sanctions is always present depending on the White House... which is totally unstable and unreliable.

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    Post  kvs Mon Jan 03, 2022 3:18 pm



    So in the middle of December, 2021, the EU imposed sanctions on the Wagner mercenary organization for alleged
    human rights abuses everywhere they are claimed to have been deployed. This includes "Ukraine". That's funny,
    since in 2014 assorted Nazi paramilitaries staged all sorts of atrocities in the Donbass including mass murder of
    villagers and I have never heard a peep from the EU about sanctions on any of them.

    All claims made by NATzO member states against Russia and any other non-conforming entity are lies.

    The reason for the sanctions is that Wagner is undermining the colonial operations of the EU (France, etc.)
    in Africa. Unlike NATzO mercs and UN blue helmets, Russian ones are actually doing good work and the locals
    are giving them respect for it. Hence we have t-shirts with "I am Wagner" being very popular in some of the
    countries where Wagner is involved. The colonial mercs used by the west have been engaged in divide and
    conquer tactics as well as criminal rackets and people in Africa know this very well.

    The video quotes the president of the Central Africa Republic, Fosten-Arkanj Tuadera. After the experience of CAR,
    other African countries are actively seeking assistance from Wagner.


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