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    Post  Hole on Sat Jun 22, 2019 10:21 am

    Typical conversation:

    Reporter: You shot a civilist.
    Murican soldier: No, it is a terorist.
    Reporter: How do you know?
    Murican soldier: Because we shot him.
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    Post  kvs on Sat Jun 22, 2019 5:31 pm



    The US has lost nuclear industrial competence. It is basically unable to complete nuclear power plants without mass time and cost
    overruns. What is worse, is that it is reaching a point where it cannot even finish construction. The above analysis discusses
    some article that extolls the South Koreans and Chinese as world nuclear industry leaders while utterly ignoring Russia (which has
    67% of the global nuclear power plant market).

    Here is the MIT report cited in the video:

    http://energy.mit.edu/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/The-Future-of-Nuclear-Energy-in-a-Carbon-Constrained-World.pdf

    Russia is totally ignored. Also, the report low-balls the price differential. It is not $8000 vs $4000 (US vs South Korea) it is
    actually over $12000 vs $4000. BTW, Russia has the only generation III+ nuclear power plants in operation today. The one in China (AP-1000) has
    been indefinitely shut down since the US made pump has failed.

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    Post  andalusia on Mon Jun 24, 2019 10:50 am

    This is a very interesting article: https://voxday.blogspot.com/2019/06/losing-next-war.html
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    Post  GarryB on Tue Jun 25, 2019 4:40 am

    Interesting article, but this caught my eye...

    The goal of these strategies and concepts is to create a plausible theory of victory whereby China or Russia avoid a “fair fight” with the Joint Force and could therefore defeat the United States and its allies and partners in a regional war.

    Hahahahahahahaha... no body plans for a fair fight... no body...

    Even in Desert Storm they tried to convince Saddam that it was going to be a huge amphibious invasion, and in both conflicts they largely fought at night because they had superior night vision equipment on their armour... no one wants a fair fight in war... that is just stupid... you always find your enemies weaknesses and use those to make your victory cheaper and easier.

    All the American eggs are in the air power basket... and the combination of long range AAMs to take down inflight refuelling tankers and AWACS and JSTARS aircraft... all they really need is anti stealth capability and the US is screwed because the cost of stealth fighters has dramatically reduced they number they can afford to buy and operate.

    Originally they demanded a minimum of 1,500 F-22s but the end of the cold war and the cost per aircraft reduced that to 750 and then less than 200 were actually made...

    They said they wanted 3,500 F-35s, yet the airframe live has gone from 8000 hours to less than 2000 hours, the RAM on the tail surfaces bubble and fail when you fly faster than the speed of sound and the shared oxygen generation and delivery system is faulty and tries to suffocate the air crew... and the prices keep going up... and a number of customers are reducing the number they want...
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    Post  kvs on Tue Jun 25, 2019 5:07 am

    https://twitter.com/ShoebridgeC/status/1142097527535210499

    The UK prances around as if it is some sort of gold standard for jurisprudence and human rights. It is nothing more
    than a corrupt banana republic wannabe.

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    Post  kvs on Tue Jun 25, 2019 6:00 am

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    Actually, the west takes "Russia" out of anything good coming from Russia. Like they do with the defeat of Hitler by
    claiming that the 80% of Nazi men and military resources expended on the Eastern Front were a side show and that
    the D-Day landings "won the war".
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    Post  GarryB on Tue Jun 25, 2019 6:07 am

    Makes me realise most of western history I learned is probably the same... makes me realise a lot of what the west is so proud of is probably a lie... like the US putting people on the moon... really don't believe that any more... in 50 years time the first two people on the moon actually would be a black american woman and a gender confused native american person of unknown gender... the landing on the moon was true, but the identities of the people who made it were faked...
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    Post  andalusia on Fri Jun 28, 2019 9:54 am

    GarryB wrote:Makes me realise most of western history I learned is probably the same... makes me realise a lot of what the west is so proud of is probably a lie... like the US putting people on the moon... really don't believe that any more... in 50 years time the first two people on the moon actually would be a black american woman and a gender confused native american person of unknown gender... the landing on the moon was true, but the identities of the people who made it were faked...

    I agree with you Garry B. I sometimes read where you are a little harder on White Americans. I would like to let you know that a significant number of nonwhite Americans like Afro Americans can be just as prejudiced toward Russia and have the same arrogant hubris as many White Americans; I advise you not to underestimate them. Think of people like Colin Powell, Condelezza Rice, Susan Rice and Barack Obama. No matter the rhetoric of a Democrat or a Republican presidential candidate; they will support the evil and corrupt American empire like Barack Obama. He was no friend of the working man in America neither despite the image of the Democratic party as a party of the poor.

    I would like to know do you see nonwhites like Afro Americans and Hispanics have the same hubris and arrogance as White American regarding foreign countries and American power?
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    Post  kvs on Mon Jul 08, 2019 9:40 pm

    https://russia-insider.com/en/ukraine-takes-worlds-large-grain-exporter-title-russia/ri27407

    The 1980s called and they want their propaganda tropes back.

    This ludicrous article talks about Russia earning "hard currency" via grain exports. These monkeys are living in a delusional bubble:

    1) The ruble is a fully floating hard currency. It's hardness is evident since it is not asymptoting to infinity to the dollar.

    2) The USSR needed dollars to buy grain. Russia does not need to sell anything to get dollars. It can exchange rubles for dollars.

    3) Russia is one of the lowest importers on the planet since it has a very high degree of domestic production. Unlike the USSR it
    has removed dependence on strategic imports (e.g. food grain). It is in the process of transitioning into a top global food exporter.

    This article underscores the NATO ignorance about Russia's economy. These clowns really think it is no better than the USSR and needs
    to earn dollars to survive. What utter BS.
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    Post  kvs on Tue Jul 09, 2019 12:37 am



    So the anti-Russian HBO series Chernobyl is a cheap hit piece contracted by a sore loser competitor of Rosatom.

    HBO is owned by Time-Warner which owned by AT&T whose prime shareholder is Brookfield Infrastructure which
    is the 100% owner of Westinghouse Electric.

    Westinghouse actually tried to create floating nuclear power plants during the 1970s, but failed.

    On another propaganda topic. The new film "Kursk" is simply degenerate hate spew at Russia. It theorizes that the Kursk
    sailors died because they were drunks and started a fire. NATO so richly deserves what is coming to it...
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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg on Tue Jul 09, 2019 12:11 pm

    Chernobyl is very good actually. Portraying Soviet bureaucracy as being partially guilty of the disaster is fine because they were to a large degree at fault.
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    Post  kvs on Tue Jul 09, 2019 3:52 pm

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Chernobyl is very good actually. Portraying Soviet bureaucracy as being partially guilty of the disaster is fine because they were to a large degree at fault.

    I disagree. The 100% fault lies with the clowns who staged the illegal and insane experiment on the reactor that led to the melt-down.
    Bureaucracy had nothing to do with it. Soviet hack and wing it mentality was at the core of this disaster. Only lunatics stage
    by the seat of your pants experiments on full scale reactors. If these retarded clowns wanted to do experiments, then they should
    have done them on small experimental reactor.

    As for the design of the RBMK. There was nothing wrong with it. It was an old design, but then so was the GE plant at Fukushima. There
    were plenty of other RBMK reactors in the USSR and none of them experienced catastrophes. The main fault nexus is the humans running
    any given set of equipment.
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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg on Tue Jul 09, 2019 4:35 pm

    KVS, have you watched HBO's Chernobyl? If you haven't, do it. The criminal negligence of the plant's managers is portrayed very well in the show. According to some, even more so than in reality.

    With a tv series about a controversial topic, you cannot satisfy everyone.
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Jul 10, 2019 4:54 am

    Have you read Mein Kampf?

    I don't feel any need to read the literature of the enemy, or watch their propaganda TV dramatisations...

    What happened there is no worse than an air traffic controller left on his own with the phones down and radar and other systems not fully working in the middle of europe, and the very idea that computerised collision avoidance systems can be put on planes without clear rules regarding what pilots respond to... instructions from an air controller or the automated avoidance system in their own aircraft.

    As usual people have to die before action is taken.... but I guess that is all controlled by Soviet officials too.
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    Post  andalusia on Wed Jul 10, 2019 9:25 am

    This is a good explanation of what the US empire is all about:

    http://www.unz.com/mhudson/the-world-bank-and-imf-2019/
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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg on Wed Jul 10, 2019 3:58 pm

    I really suggest you watch the show before passing a verdict. Anti Soviet/Russian bias in Chernobyl is very subtle, more like K-19, nothing like some more known Hollywood movies about Russia.
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    Post  flamming_python on Wed Jul 10, 2019 8:15 pm

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:I really suggest you watch the show before passing a verdict. Anti Soviet/Russian bias in Chernobyl is very subtle, more like K-19, nothing like some more known Hollywood movies about Russia.

    It's a good fictional work.

    And it does portray many of the ordinary Soviet workers, soldiers, officers as heroes. Even some officials sympathetically.

    But at it's core is the message 'the cost of lies'. And then it goes ahead and lies itself and makes a whole bunch of stuff up that never happened.

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    Post  Regular on Fri Jul 12, 2019 1:44 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:I really suggest you watch the show before passing a verdict. Anti Soviet/Russian bias in Chernobyl is very subtle, more like K-19, nothing like some more known Hollywood movies about Russia.

    It's a good fictional work.

    And it does portray many of the ordinary Soviet workers, soldiers, officers as heroes. Even some officials sympathetically.

    But at it's core is the message 'the cost of lies'. And then it goes ahead and lies itself and makes a whole bunch of stuff up that never happened.


    It did have artistic freedom. For me it was amazing show. It humanised soviets without using retarded accents. It showed Soviet military as competent force who gets the job done no matter how adverse it is. It portrayed Gorbachev and his close men as incompetent to deal with such scale disaster. This true as this man was useless! While it praised the simple men, it totally went overboard with apparatchiks and KGB. 86s Soviet union was a shitshow, but KGB wasn't as threatening and system was still functional, unlike in 89s when it was completelly falling apart..
    Anyways, Chernobyl is best western tv show ever made when it comes to quality, suspension and authenticity and not just about USSR.
    To think that it's anti-Soviet is to defend Gorbachev.
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    Post  kvs on Sat Jul 13, 2019 12:29 am



    Western "liberals" accuse Russia of not acknowledging global warming. Here is the in-your-face proof that this is BS.
    Putin in his speech is 100% on the ball with the reality of anthropogenic global warming. In fact, he states facts that
    western politicians avoid as being too alarmist.

    Russia is warming 2.5 times faster than the global average and this is already having negative impacts. The NATO
    hate propaganda about Russia denying global warming is pure blood libel. The same blood libel that the west has
    been spewing at Russia for centuries.

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Sat Jul 13, 2019 1:10 am

    There is no plan for Brazil and the SU-57, never was such a thing could happen in the future but that's just Vann being well Vann.

    Putin DID offer the SU-57 to the Turks tho, if the F-35 deal falls apart.

    Which is just utterly ridiculous, has a guy who works for the US.

    Selling your Stealth fighter tech to a NATO ally is just beyond stupid.

    We have said IF the turks touch an S-400 we will not deliver any F-35's.

    Assuming the bosses stay true to those words.

    Putin may very well soon be selling Russian Stealth technology to a NATO ally. Which I hope his defense minister will tell him "No, that's a terrible idea we may has well just give Washington the data at that point".
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    Post  GarryB on Sat Jul 13, 2019 2:13 am

    Turkey is a component builder of F-35s so there are secrets to be had both ways.

    The Russians are not idiots... they wont be including secret components and they certainly wont be including secret operational codes that could be used against them.

    What they are doing is undermining the trust between the US and Turkey, which might pay off dividends in the future... if Russia can lure a few countries in NATO to buy their products then that is a huge plus because planning and fighting against stuff you are familiar with is much easier because you have a better understanding of how it can be used and what its strong points are.

    The US started this by telling all its NATO allies not to buy Russian equipment and that they need to get Soviet equipment out of their inventories... preferably by buying US shit.

    If Turkey buys Su-57s it will almost certainly contribute a lot of their own equipment in its design.

    Russian experience with the Su-30MKI with french and israeli components and systems being added certainly contributed to making their own effort... the Su-35 and ultimately Su-57 better aircraft... they raised the bar...

    Some technology and secrets might have been compromised but secrets get out whether you sell the equipment or not... MiG-31 secrets got into western hands without a single export sale...

    Equally a good example is the sale of Tunguska to Britain and S-300V to the US... they didn't get the complete battery with all the sensors and systems and decoys and jammers and support equipment, so they have an idea of the performance, but not really enough to say they can defeat them...
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    Post  Regular on Sat Jul 13, 2019 3:04 am

    kvs wrote:

    Western "liberals" accuse Russia of not acknowledging global warming.    Here is the in-your-face proof that this is BS.
    Putin in his speech is 100% on the ball with the reality of anthropogenic global warming.   In fact, he states facts that
    western politicians avoid as being too alarmist.

    Russia is warming 2.5 times faster than the global average and this is already having negative impacts.   The NATO
    hate propaganda about Russia denying global warming is pure blood libel.    The same blood libel that the west has
    been spewing at Russia for centuries.


    Global warming is not man made and the one we are having now has little negative impact on Russia. It should help with the explotation of resources and farming. Doom and gloom about extinction is only heard in West and used only just to extort their taxpayers.
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    Post  nero on Sun Jul 14, 2019 12:23 am

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:Putin may very well soon be selling Russian Stealth technology to a NATO ally. Which I hope his defense minister will tell him "No, that's a terrible idea we may has well just give Washington the data at that point".
    The entire process of metallurgy and manufacturing these devices is a secret. You won't be able to gain much from having one as an example, asides from some operational knowledge of how they work (~ish. The code isn't open-source either, you know).
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sun Jul 14, 2019 1:06 am

    Isos wrote:https://mobile.twitter.com/ragipsoylu/status/1149733696305598464

    Good thread to understabd the s-400 for Turkey.



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    S-400s, a story:

    Everything started when Turkey downed a Russian jet, Su-24 in Nov 2015 for violating its airspace. Russians were repeatedly bombarding Turkman-led rebel groups by using Turkish airspace. Ankara issued several warnings. Then downed a jet.

    What was US reaction?

    US officials, on the record,  initially supported Turkey’s arguments. But had different talking points while briefing reporters on background.

    US defense officials undermined Turkey’s claim and said Russian jet was in Syrian airspace when it was hit. So much for NATO solidarity

    What else US thought of Turkey’s downing the Russian jet?

    They thought it was an overreaction to “a minor violation of its airspace”

    What about NATO?

    Oh, they were generous. They sent an air defence package against Russian incursions following the jet incident, including AWACS.

    But NATO diplomats WORRIED Ankara was too aggressive to defend its airspace against the repeated violations

    Next, Germany/Luxembourg declared that Turkey cannot count on NATO support if there is a conflict with Russia in Syria.

    “NATO cannot allow itself to be pulled into a military escalation with Russia as a result of tensions between the two”

    Briefly: You cannot invoke article 4


    Btw, US and Germany earlier in October 2015, a month before the downing of the jet, pulled their missile defense systems from Turkey.

    Not only US and NATO didn’t want to support Turkey against Russia, they also didn’t want to keep their missile defense systems in the country



    Not finished. But too long to post all the thread, you can see the link for the whole story.

    The whole "violated airspace" is complete discredited bullshit. Turkish govt. apologized and admitted it was a lie, moreover the Turks are the last people that should talk about violating airspace, as they've been violating the airspace of Iraq, Syria, and the Greek/Agean Archipelago islands for years.
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    Post  kvs on Sun Jul 14, 2019 2:05 am

    Cobalt bomb

    This is an older article but I have seen some other recent talk on this subject.

    This is pure anti-Russian propaganda. Russia has no reason to build some fancy dirty bomb. It is a certainty that it is the lunatics in NATO
    who are building cobalt bombs to apply "Carthago delenda est" to Russia. It is modern Rome, aka NATO, that wants to poison Russian
    land with salt and root out Russia from existence.

    By the logic of MAD Russia would need to build its own. But it should not do so. If NATO does use cobalt bombs on Russia, Russia should
    seize NATO lands as compensation. This would be a better solution to the NATO lunatic problem than throwing cobalt bombs on NATO.


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