Western propaganda

the whole purpose of the IMF is to give countries loans they can't afford to pay back and create a debt spiral that puts them in your pocket so you can demand the privatisation of all assets and resources in that country that rich western multinationals go in and buy up cheaply and then abuse and asset strip to make a quick buck...

Yesterday was Veterans Day here in the US and with all the propaganda about US military fighting for freedom and I was thinking I think the reason why it is so hard and always falls on deaf ears to point out wrongful US actions in other countries is because the US military is held up to such high religious esteem especially by conservatives; any such criticism is considered unpatriotic and it is connected to the troops. Don't get me wrong; I am not against the idea of a country having a military but this propaganda that the US military is always fighting for our freedom is deeply ingrained in Americans which is a lie. I think it is this worldview that prevents an honest assessment of corrupt American military as well as financial escapades abroad (think IMF and World Bank). I think it is connected to the political process being corrupted by corporate money (both political parties) and our winner take all system since the birth of the country(no proportional representation).

https://www.antiwar.com/blog/2014/01/29/us-troops-do-not-fight-to-keep-us-free/

https://www.fff.org/2014/05/27/american-soldiers-did-not-die-defending-our-freedom/

kvs wrote:https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/mapping-chinas-global-debt-serfdom-ification

Oh my, China is lending other countries money.  The horror.  



Funny, I don't recall the concern for the NATO west acting as the loan shark to the developing world.   Westerners are
in no position to moralize about Chinese loans.   As it stands now, they are a better option for the developing world
and this explains why the western loan sharks are worried.

Kvs have to disagree


I agree that at least China is doing something by helping to develop their economies as compared to the West but China is simply using the same methods the US has been using for years, but they're not supplementing the program with military action.  That's much smarter, because now you own the country that you've helped without killing 25% of the population, which in the case of the US who does kill them and sets them back much farther, owns a country full of people that will hate the US for generations.

China is indebting in specific geostrategic locations, whether its for ports in Kenya, or rare earth metals like Tantalum in the Congo. Zambia will officially be China's first colony in Africa. The dumb rotten, corrupt and short-sighted Zambians took all the Chinese bribes on offer, thinking a day of reckoning will never arrive.

owing money to corrupt Chinese government is as bad as owing to the nefarious brit.. or the scumbag amercan governments...not to mention the cockroaches at the IMF and World Bank

The US started their strategy of economic domination with the same or similar narrative and process (mutual benefit) that the Chinese use today.  However, whether part of the plan or not...power will corrupt, and the noose of domination and control will tighten around the neck of those countries that become dependent.  With dependency comes control and when that control is challenged....unleash the dogs of war.

I don't understand why all countries in the world simply don't issue their currencies interest free? It is the best solution.  The US before the American Revolution issued Colonial Script and during during the Civil War they issued the interest free Greenback. A country can finance its infrastructure and other needs without borrowing from the IMF, World Bank or even China.  The colonial US, Lincoln's America and Nazi Germany are good examples of this.

To see the effect of debt-free currency, We can use examples in history to illustrate the point.

     

   1. * The Saracen Empire forbade interest on money 1,000 years ago, and its wealth outshone Saxon Europe.

   2. * Mandarin China issued its own money, interest and debt-free. Historians and collectors of art today consider those centuries to China's greatest time of wealth, culture and peace.

   3. * The American Colonies issued Colonial Script, and Ben Franklin explained to the English that this was the key to the prosperity Colonies.

   4. * Abraham Lincoln did it in 1863 to finance and win the Civil War.

   5. * Germany issued debt-free and interest-free money from 1935 and on, accounting for its startling rise from the depression to a World power in 5 years.

Germany financed its entire government and war operation from 1935 to 1945 without gold and without debt, and it took nearly the whole Capitalist and Communist world to destroy the German power
over Europe.

Was this the real cause of World War II?

Did the International Bankers have to destroy the
Government of Germany because it issued debt and interest free money just like Lincoln did?

https://wiki.p2pfoundation.net/Colonial_Script

https://www.ukcolumn.org/article/case-greenback-pound

https://theamericanchronicle.blogspot.com/2013/09/the-real-cause-for-american-revolution.html

https://mordant-truth.weebly.com/hilter-monetary-system-real-cause-of-ww2.html

Yesterday was Veterans Day here in the US and with all the propaganda about US military fighting for freedom and I was thinking I think the reason why it is so hard and always falls on deaf ears to point out wrongful US actions in other countries is because the US military is held up to such high religious esteem especially by conservatives;

You can hardly blame the Veterans for doing as they were ordered. In fact it is ironic that the morality that reinforces the fact that America is a force for good probably permeates in the US military and intel services too... so you get people like Manning and Snowden on the inside seeing what total bastards the US government and Pentagon are making the US military act like and they respond by rebelling.

During the Russian civil war it is often ignored in the west but many western countries sent in troops to help the whites and they did some terrible things to those who supported the reds. The Americans were the exception because the leader and commander of that force took the rules on neutrality seriously and to heart and did not interfere and only did what he was ordered to do, which was protect American interests (ie American citizens and their property or companies).

It should be made clear that American soldiers are doing what they need to to survive, and are just doing their job, while the fat cats that make billions of dollars out of these wars that are the problem. Dick Cheney left politics and got a job at Haliburton... a construction company that has made tens of billions of dollars in reconstruction in places America bombed while Cheney was in office... he probably earned several million dollars a year for year after year for breaking those countries and having ties and power within the pentagon to get contracts to build US bases in Iraq and Afghanistan etc etc. SeigSolovov will risk getting shot or blown up, but his pay will not likely reach a fraction of what the fat cats are making in these conflicts... why would be blame him for being in Syria... he is just a drone and gets no say at all where he lives and works.

owing money to corrupt Chinese government is as bad as owing to the nefarious brit.. or the scumbag amercan governments...not to mention the cockroaches at the IMF and World Bank

First of all you make money on loans, so everyone will do that. Second everyone bribes... if you want to play the game you at least have to match the bribes from other parties or you don't get a seat at the negotiating table. The Chinese have a tradition that when you visit you bring a small gift... that custom could be used and extended any way they like.

The most critical difference however is that the west... and I mean Europe and the US... demand change in laws when they do business with a country.

They force the country to liberalise their laws and become more like them... but they are ruled by western and international big business, so by changing their laws to match western laws they are opening themselves up to big companies coming in and taking over everything.

Look at Bolivia... a coup... not because the leader is a commie... he has been doing what he has been doing for 14 years... why bother now?

Well perhaps a press release a few months ago that Bolivia is going to stop exporting raw lithium to big foreign companies to process and turn into batteries and other high tech stuff... they are going to build factories in Bolivia and make these batteries themselves... and clearly those foreign companies objected and probably enlisted the support of the CIA and instigated a coup... they threatened the leader and his family with murder... so they meant business... and while he had the support of the people, he didn't have the support of the military... which is how the CIA works... nice quick military coup... kill a few thousand people and it is all over... no referendums or voting or bullshit.

The Chinese do bribe and they probably don't pay the locals much more than the western countries pay, what they don't do is demand that country open up to being asset stripped by big multinational companies, and create rules based on western european morality... which is going down hill as we speak anyway.

There is a doctor who claims paedophiles have it hard wired into their brains so they are victims and should not be abused or victimised... is that really where we are headed?

I am sure serial killers will be next... they are victims too perhaps... they can't help it...

the west has lots its way... and Russia and China and a lot of other countries don't want to follow... especially the me first attitude of the US.

GarryB wrote:

Yesterday was Veterans Day here in the US and with all the propaganda about US military fighting for freedom and I was thinking I think the reason why it is so hard and always falls on deaf ears to point out wrongful US actions in other countries is because the US military is held up to such high religious esteem especially by conservatives;

You can hardly blame the Veterans for doing as they were ordered. In fact it is ironic that the morality that reinforces the fact that America is a force for good probably permeates in the US military and intel services too... so you get people like Manning and Snowden on the inside seeing what total bastards the US government and Pentagon are making the US military act like and they respond by rebelling.

During the Russian civil war it is often ignored in the west but many western countries sent in troops to help the whites and they did some terrible things to those who supported the reds. The Americans were the exception because the leader and commander of that force took the rules on neutrality seriously and to heart and did not interfere and only did what he was ordered to do, which was protect American interests (ie American citizens and their property or companies).

It should be made clear that American soldiers are doing what they need to to survive, and are just doing their job, while the fat cats that make billions of dollars out of these wars that are the problem. Dick Cheney left politics and got a job at Haliburton... a construction company that has made tens of billions of dollars in reconstruction in places America bombed while Cheney was in office... he probably earned several million dollars a year for year after year for breaking those countries and having ties and power within the pentagon to get contracts to build US bases in Iraq and Afghanistan etc etc. SeigSolovov will risk getting shot or blown up, but his pay will not likely reach a fraction of what the fat cats are making in these conflicts... why would be blame him for being in Syria... he is just a drone and gets no say at all where he lives and works.

owing money to corrupt Chinese government is as bad as owing to the nefarious brit.. or the scumbag amercan governments...not to mention the cockroaches at the IMF and World Bank

First of all you make money on loans, so everyone will do that. Second everyone bribes... if you want to play the game you at least have to match the bribes from other parties or you don't get a seat at the negotiating table. The Chinese have a tradition that when you visit you bring a small gift... that custom could be used and extended any way they like.

The most critical difference however is that the west... and I mean Europe and the US... demand change in laws when they do business with a country.

They force the country to liberalise their laws and become more like them... but they are ruled by western and international big business, so by changing their laws to match western laws they are opening themselves up to big companies coming in and taking over everything.

Look at Bolivia... a coup... not because the leader is a commie... he has been doing what he has been doing for 14 years... why bother now?

Well perhaps a press release a few months ago that Bolivia is going to stop exporting raw lithium to big foreign companies to process and turn into batteries and other high tech stuff... they are going to build factories in Bolivia and make these batteries themselves... and clearly those foreign companies objected and probably enlisted the support of the CIA and instigated a coup... they threatened the leader and his family with murder... so they meant business... and while he had the support of the people, he didn't have the support of the military... which is how the CIA works... nice quick military coup... kill a few thousand people and it is all over... no referendums or voting or bullshit.

The Chinese do bribe and they probably don't pay the locals much more than the western countries pay, what they don't do is demand that country open up to being asset stripped by big multinational companies, and create rules based on western european morality... which is going down hill as we speak anyway.

There is a doctor who claims paedophiles have it hard wired into their brains so they are victims and should not be abused or victimised... is that really where we are headed?

I am sure serial killers will be next... they are victims too perhaps... they can't help it...

the west has lots its way... and Russia and China and a lot of other countries don't want to follow... especially the me first attitude of the US.

I still think that countries should issue interest free money to pay for their infrastructure; their is no need to borrow from the IMF, World Bank or China. Did you read the links I posted? It would be good if any countries around the world embraced similar policies and approaches to their economy.

I do agree with what Western countries do to support big business is criminal and that China in some cases is better than West; however, I think we let the average American off the hook here; I think a good number of Americans in particular conservatives do support such policies toward Third World countries since they elect these politicians and it is apart of their racist conservative economic ideology that nonwhites are below whites.

As far as US troops doing their job and doing what they need to survive, Americans don't feel any pity for the people these troops attack in other countries and the evil of US foreign policy. I know you wouldn't feel that way if these troops were attacking Russia or threatening her. I think Russians should simply understand that the United States is AN ENEMY of Russia.

Indeed... the child molester is complaining that his neighbour is probably a sexual predator too, because he is male and human and all male humans are rapists didn't you know... no evidence for it but it is highly likely...

Evidence of Europe using economic and political and military power and indeed soft power to force Russia and China and the rest of the world to do as they are told is abundant and not usually contested... ironically, but evidence the Soviets and the Russians use gas supplies to influence or control europe is simply absurd.... but they keep pushing that agenda... they are the victim.

Funny thing is how long US has been in Afghanistan. Someone who was born on 9/11 may now serve alongside his father.

Here is another powerful evidence that Wikipedia is extremely biased when it comes to articles concerning Western and Non Western personalities.

A couple of months back there was a leaked audio recording of Reagan calling Africans "Monkeys".



But NOWHERE in his Wikipedia article bothered to mention this remark me made.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronald_Reagan



Meanwhile, Duterte (Philippine President) has a long list of "Scandals" on his Wikipedia page about the comments that he made directed to gays and women.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodrigo_Duterte#Homophobic_comments


I bet that if these NATO propagandists can dig audio recordings of Putin making similar remarks, it will be PLASTERED all over Wikipedia in less than a second

@phst

Good point. Be careful. The Internet is playground of various western intelligence. They not only listen in by your phone or smart TV in real time. They give false info. Misinformation. They even can give you particular feed when you browse the Internet. To see your interest or incriminate you. That is why Russia and Iran need local Internet. The Western Internet is becoming liability for blogger and journalist. But Internet is powerful medium of free communication. I predicted it had to come to an end, since the public has to be controlled......... Freedom in the west is a big lie........

@phst

Good point. Be careful. The Internet is playground of various western intelligence. They not only listen in by your phone or smart TV in real time. They give false info. Misinformation. They even can give you particular feed when you browse the Internet. To see your interest or incriminate you. That is why Russia and Iran need local Internet. The Western Internet is becoming liability for blogger and journalist. But Internet is powerful medium of free communication. I predicted it had to come to an end, since the public has to be controlled......... Freedom in the west is a big lie........

For example, if you browse the net, you may suddenly get spam site flash on screen with explicit content. Or if you browse YouTube, you suddenly get video feed of British Royalty and followed by feed of small arms assembly. If you click and open these, then they get  " evidence" of your corruption! If they want to discredit you politically or they may want to link you to terrorism!  A judge will convict you based on browsing history! Yet the state and judges are the ones that licence such dirty tricks operations. To falsely imprison or discredit or intimidate.

I post from my mobile. Once I got unexpected explicit feed. I knew it was a plant. So I just typed into my Google feed : "...... buck the GCHQ...."  several times. And message was sent back.... ".... your Internet will be cut...."  So my phone is under real-time surveillance. But I don't try and hide my identity. In fact putting out some info about myself on the net, has helped me track their activities. I guess they got Assange, in similar way.

They know what radio I listen to. Since they get it from my mobile. And since I like to listen to calming church music and classic, they send attractive female missionary to my door. Thinking I can be converted. Or they know when I post on the net, and when I get up in morning. So they put radio message on radio station I listen to. Mentioning me by name and habit and giving advice that I should mind my own business...... They spend a lot of effort and waste money..... The barstools........


https://www.tasnimnews.com/en/news/2019/12/07/2154336/crackdown-on-french-yellow-vests-shows-true-face-of-west-s-liberalism-russian-analyst

This is an interesting article would like people's thoughts on this: https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/how-us-army-planned-take-out-russias-special-forces-102872



Is this true about Russian aircraft carrier? https://www.yahoo.com/news/picture-shows-why-russias-aircraft-074700254.html

andalusia wrote:This is an interesting article would like people's thoughts on this: https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/how-us-army-planned-take-out-russias-special-forces-102872

Nothing antirussian or different from any military write-up. They don't dwell deep into Gladio guys that much, I wonder why
Just typical clueless journalism - written to boast about SF importance. In real life, Cold War would have been so quick and brutal, both sides would use SF but to what success is the other question.

I'm not sure I am following - what does NATO faggots have to do with ice skating - a military organisation and female orientated sport?
Is that they are disgusting degenerate gomiks who are rather interested in skating, than real sport like hockey?
Let women enjoy the sport.

Their comments sound like they are butt-hurt.
Especially when they said that it was insensitive that one of the russian skaters dressed like an Shlomo Owenmann. Boo fucking hoo.

https://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Antisemitism/Holocaust-themed-figure-skating-costume-The-latest-scandal-of-the-sport-609949