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    Western propaganda

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    Post  kvs Sat Feb 15, 2020 6:53 pm



    Hilarious. Western wunderwaffen is being seriously impacted by Russian EW in Syria and the response from western
    "analysts" is that this is some side effect of Russian equipment that would also affect Russian jets. Yeah, those
    stupid Russians didn't think to profile the EM emissions of their EW systems. bounce
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    Post  kvs Sun Feb 16, 2020 12:28 am



    This is what you get with all the brainwashing about the innate superiority of the west over all the mud hut dwellers "over there".
    The example of the US service men hiding in a bunker during the Iranian retaliation for the assassination of Soleimani shows
    their pathetic mental state. Some were joking, others were quiet and some were crying. PTSD all around. These are
    not the caliber of humans that fought back the Nazis on the eastern front. And compared to the precious NATzO west,
    Russians have not degraded by this degree since 1945.

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    Post  Aristide Sun Feb 16, 2020 7:52 pm

    kvs wrote:The website "Russia Insider" is a western Nazi troll outfit.   It started off posing as some pro-Russian alt-news source
    but has consistently drifted into Nazi apologia including this crap:

    https://russia-insider.com/en/shocking-disrepair-east-prussias-historic-buildings-and-people-trying-save-them-koenigsberg/ri28252

    The above article is a lie.







    Your german hate reaches critical levels bro
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    Post  GarryB Mon Feb 17, 2020 2:52 am

    There is no German or French or UK... there is only American... Americans make the decisions and the europeans say what they are told to say and think what they are told to think... why consider talking to the puppet when the ventriloquist is right there...
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    Post  PhSt Mon Feb 17, 2020 4:52 am

    NATOstani PlGS wouldn't stop squealing in their efforts to destroy Russia's reputation to its partners. I am confident that peoples of Russia, China, India, Iran and the rest of the world that is not under NATOstani influence are smart enough to resist NATOstani efforts to create friction in their bilateral ties for NATO to exploit.



    Critics Say Negative References To Russia Omitted From Iranian Textbooks

    Deputy head of the Islamic Republic's Organization for Educational Research and Planning (OERP) has denied that school text-books have been changed in the country to "curry favor with Moscow and exonerate it from the historical crimes the Russian Empire committed in Iran."

    Speaking at an academic session on Sunday, February 16, Hassan Maleki insisted that a series of references to Russia in Iranian school-books were merely omitted to "decrease the volume" of the textbooks.

    Furthermore, he dismissed the critics of the "omissions", describing them as suffering from pessimism and psychological problems.

    Earlier, in a series of tweets, an expert in educational affairs, Adel Barkam, had disclosed that some of the topics related to Russia's historical crimes against Iran had been omitted from the second volume of the Persian textbook for the eleventh grade.

    In the tweets published on February 2, Barkam circulated images of the book's pages and noted that not only some of the paragraphs related to Russia had been dropped, but some others had also been edited.

    In the new version of the textbook, Barkam argued, the word "Russians" has replaced the term "Russian Army."

    As another example, Barkam highlighted a paragraph in the older textbook that says, "Soon, the flag of Russians was raised over the soil soaked with the blood of innocent people."

    The sentence in the new edition of the book was changed to, "Soon, the Russian Army conquered the region."

    The obvious changes, all in favor of Russia have triggered a barrage of criticism in recent days in Iran.

    The Islamic Republic officials have repeatedly tried to play down the changes, dismissing them as "minor amendments."

    Ali Zou-Elm, the Director of the Iranian Organization for Educational Research and Planning, insisted on February 4, "Our fundamental view, about what has happened in history, is that Tsarist Russia's crimes could not be omitted (from the text-books). We also do not deny that the Eastern Bloc's style of interaction was hegemonic under the Soviet Union. We'll never omit them (from the text-books)."

    Disregarding the obvious changes presented by the critics, the mid-ranking cleric has to friendly relations with Russia, maintaining, "The fact that the Russian Federation is currently working and interacting with Iran does not mean that a period of history could be ignored. We disapprove of manipulation of history."

    Nevertheless, it is crystal clear that the Islamic Republic has started implementing a comprehensive plan to restructure its approach towards the educational text-books, critics say.

    Late last January it was announced that the Islamic Republic was set to add "America's Crimes and Conspiracies" as a new topic to the curriculum of local schools and universities, according to a decision by parliament.

    The new topic will be taught at universities from the next Iranian academic year, September 23, 2020, the General Manager of Higher Education Planning Department at the Islamic Republic Ministry of Science, Research and Technology (MSRT) announced on January 23.

    Meanwhile, according to critics, many classic Persian masterpieces have been replaced by propaganda pieces in favor of the clergy-dominated establishment in Iran.

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    Post  kvs Mon Feb 17, 2020 5:41 am

    In the other thread I posted a link to a mass famine which claimed the lives of 8-10 million Iranians early last century:

    http://english.khamenei.ir/news/2197/8-10-million-Iranians-died-over-Great-Famine-caused-by-the-British

    The British were also responsible for famines in India that killed over 30 million people:

    http://www.public.asu.edu/~koptiuch/ASB311_web/HeartofSmugness.html

    Notice a pattern...

    Now I want to see how big the crimes of the Russian Empire were in Iran, India and elsewhere. These "critics"
    are western and western-sponsored revisionists who want the world to forget about the planet-class crimes
    of the self-anointed do-gooders.



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    Post  Aristide Mon Feb 17, 2020 7:11 am

    GarryB wrote:There is no German or French or UK... there is only American... Americans make the decisions and the europeans say what they are told to say and think what they are told to think... why consider talking to the puppet when the ventriloquist is right there...

    Amazing, so american decided that Germany buys russian gas, lr that France supports Haftar. Looks like USA lost control? Tell me Gary? When do you follow political realities? 50 years later?
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    Post  GarryB Mon Feb 17, 2020 10:45 am

    Germany would be receiving gas from Russia directly right now if they were their own free country... instead they dither and delay and make excuses as to why they are not a real sovereign country... it is OK... all the other EU nations are the same including the UK which left because it didn't like being told what to do by Brussels... it seems being told what to do by the US if fine though...

    And who does Haftar support?

    he is no idiot... he knows it was France and the US and UK that created the situation in Libya today and that all they are interested in is oil and gas contracts and stopping dark skinned people heading north... otherwise they could care less about his country and he knows that... he will use the US and Turkey and France and Russia and anyone else necessary to get what he wants...
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    Post  Hole Mon Feb 17, 2020 11:07 am

    Germany is already receiving gas directly from Russia via the Baltic Sea. The pipeline in progress (or not) is the second line. Rest true. cry
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    Post  Aristide Mon Feb 17, 2020 12:24 pm

    GarryB wrote:Germany would be receiving gas from Russia directly right now if they were their own free country... instead they dither and delay and make excuses as to why they are not a real sovereign country... it is OK... all the other EU nations are the same including the UK which left because it didn't like being told what to do by Brussels... it seems being told what to do by the US if fine though...

    And who does Haftar support?

    he is no idiot... he knows it was France and the US and UK that created the situation in Libya today and that all they are interested in is oil and gas contracts and stopping dark skinned people heading north... otherwise they could care less about his country and he knows that... he will use the US and Turkey and France and Russia and anyone else necessary to get what he wants...

    They do recieve gas directly via Nordstream I. Nordstream II is finalized in next months.

    You have no clue.
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    Post  GarryB Tue Feb 18, 2020 6:48 am

    They do recieve gas directly via Nordstream I. Nordstream II is finalized in next months.

    You have no clue.

    So what, they also get gas through the Ukraine, the point is that they have closed their nuke and coal fired electricty production capacity and will become reliant on gas... and they are letting the US sabotage their gas supplies from Russia... Russia should increase the price... Germans are clearly morons.
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    Post  Aristide Tue Feb 18, 2020 12:54 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    They do recieve gas directly via Nordstream I. Nordstream II is finalized in next months.

    You have no clue.

    So what, they also get gas through the Ukraine, the point is that they have closed their nuke and coal fired electricty production capacity and will become reliant on gas... and they are letting the US sabotage their gas supplies from Russia... Russia should increase the price... Germans are clearly morons.

    Please only comment where you have knowledge. Germany resisted US pressure and continues NS II.

    Germany lets US sabotage the project as much as Russia let it sabotage by US.

    It gets delayed a few months.
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    Post  GarryB Wed Feb 19, 2020 5:49 am

    Russia does not have US troops stationed on its territory for the last 70 odd years... Germany is Americas bitch... the EU is Americas bitch... you talk about a powerful Europe, but it can't even tell the US where to go when it needs to... the EU is a bunch of prissy cowards who let the US tear up the INF treaty without question because they were told to do so by the US... the US orders the EU around like Israel orders the US around... pathetic.

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    Post  Aristide Wed Feb 19, 2020 11:08 am

    GarryB wrote:Russia does not have US troops stationed on its territory for the last 70 odd years... Germany is Americas bitch... the EU is Americas bitch... you talk about a powerful Europe, but it can't even tell the US where to go when it needs to... the EU is a bunch of prissy cowards who let the US tear up the INF treaty without question because they were told to do so by the US... the US orders the EU around like Israel orders the US around... pathetic.


    Germany announced yesterday it want import even more gas from Russia, including H2 gas and checks how H2 can be delivered through pipelines.

    Quite nasty behavior for a bitch. Looks like US is losing control. I mean how pathetic is is, when trump is unable to get Germany to do anything he wants?

    All demands he makes get rebuffed from Germany and the gas deals with Russia get even extended.

    Wait...maybe the rumors are true and Trump really is a russian muppet and does intentional that stuff to get more German - Russia trade running?

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    Post  GarryB Thu Feb 20, 2020 12:03 am

    What rumours?

    Trump has done more to push Russia and the EU apart because in the real world Russia with all its resources and energy and the EU with its rights for fags and people who don't know what gender they are today means they don't really need the US to demand rights for homos and the fucken mentally ill.

    Obamas incompetence and Trumps incompetence in Syria has turned a country that was looking west and away from Russia and Iran, to realising that Russia and Iran are the only friendly countries there are for them at the moment.

    Russia wouldn't be testing its new equipment and tactics and its military in Syria if it wasn't for the US and EU sending special forces there to stir up rebellion amongst the terrorists that have in the past attacked the west. I mean moderate terrorists who behead children and burn women in cages for not becoming their prostitutes can't be all bad right... it is strange the west supports people who cut the heads of 14 year old boys but is offended if you call a man a man or use male references to him if he thinks he is a woman.

    Yeah, Russia is better off without the US and the EU... sell them gas and oil and titanium parts for their aircraft, but don't be friends... the rest of the world is there to trade with... western money is based on the dollar which is basically based on the capacity of US printing presses... or in other words nothing... do you not realise that when you build a house on sand you need special foundations or the whole structure will collapse. With the US using its dollar as a weapon more and more countries are looking for and using alternatives... the US dollar as the currency of international trade is the foundation of the structure called the US.... and it is moving...
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    Post  PhSt Thu Feb 20, 2020 2:35 am

    America celebrates poor sales of Russia's Superjet.



    Nobody Wants to Buy Russia’s National Plane – Except Russia’s National Airline

    Russia's main home-grown passenger jet, the Sukhoi Superjet 100, conceived as a rival to Airbus, Bombardier and Embraer, has no confirmed orders this year beyond a long-standing deal with state carrier Aeroflot, two sources told Reuters.

    The aircraft, which entered service in 2011 and was the first passenger jet built in Russia since the fall of the Soviet Union, has had a troubled history despite the state pouring billions of dollars into its development. Last year, a Superjet crash-landed in Moscow, killing 41 people.

    Sukhoi Civil Aircraft, which is controlled by Russian state holding company Rostec, had hoped to sell hundreds. But slack demand and servicing problems and delays in sourcing spare parts, means only 142 of the planes are in use.

    Aeroflot, which currently has 54 Superjets in its fleet, is expected to receive up to 17 more this year, Russia's Trade and Industry ministry told Reuters. The carrier signed a long-term contract in 2018 to lease 100 Superjets between 2019 and 2026.

    But two sources familiar with the firm's plans told Reuters that Sukhoi currently has no other customers lined up for 2020.

    The Superjet project "depends on a government decision about state support, because it does not yet work commercially," one of the two sources said.

    The Superjet is predominantly operated inside Russia by regional airlines, corporations and government entities. It has had mixed success with foreign carriers.

    Irish airline CityJet stopped operating its seven Superjets last year and Mexican Interjet said last year it planned to sell its 22 Superjets.

    Sukhoi in a statement declined to disclose its portfolio of customers.

    "The company is working to implement contracts in the interests of aircraft operators and customers, the principal one of which is Russian carrier Aeroflot," it said.

    Asked whether they had any plans to purchase or lease Superjets this year, Russia's three biggest private airline companies — S7, UTair and Ural Airlines — said no.

    Five other Russian airlines, who have Superjets in their fleets, did not respond to requests for comment.

    IrAero, an airline based in Russia's Far East which has previously demanded compensation from Sukhoi citing the Superjet's poor technical performance, told Reuters there were problems using the planes and that the "contract terms are far from the most advantageous for users."

    Sukhoi said last year it would sell 16 jets to customers. It missed that target however and delivered just eight planes in the end, five of which were leased to Aeroflot.

    Aeroflot has so far leased five of the 100 Superjets it committed to in its 2018 contract with Sukhoi.

    Those transactions were financed by Russian state development bank VEB. But the arrangement was made on an ad hoc basis and no decision has yet been taken on how the next 95 planes will be financed, a third source, employed by a company that works with Sukhoi, said.

    VEB told Reuters it was considering financing future Superjet deliveries and was ready to finance deliveries for other buyers as well.

    Aeroflot said it was unable to comment on commercial deals. Sukhoi Civil Aircraft declined to comment on more potential leasing arrangements with Aeroflot.

    https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2020/02/19/nobody-wants-to-buy-russias-national-plane-except-russias-national-airline-a69356

    It seems America is working hard to hit Russia's economic interests whenever they get the chance, in this case, pressuring airline operators across the world to ditch Russian made planes. Russia needs to hit back and impose costs to America's economy as well. I dont see this happening.
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    Post  Aristide Thu Feb 20, 2020 7:34 am

    PhSt wrote:America celebrates poor sales of Russia's Superjet.



    Nobody Wants to Buy Russia’s National Plane – Except Russia’s National Airline

    Russia's main home-grown passenger jet, the Sukhoi Superjet 100, conceived as a rival to Airbus, Bombardier and Embraer, has no confirmed orders this year beyond a long-standing deal with state carrier Aeroflot, two sources told Reuters.

    The aircraft, which entered service in 2011 and was the first passenger jet built in Russia since the fall of the Soviet Union, has had a troubled history despite the state pouring billions of dollars into its development. Last year, a Superjet crash-landed in Moscow, killing 41 people.

    Sukhoi Civil Aircraft, which is controlled by Russian state holding company Rostec, had hoped to sell hundreds. But slack demand and servicing problems and delays in sourcing spare parts, means only 142 of the planes are in use.

    Aeroflot, which currently has 54 Superjets in its fleet, is expected to receive up to 17 more this year, Russia's Trade and Industry ministry told Reuters. The carrier signed a long-term contract in 2018 to lease 100 Superjets between 2019 and 2026.

    But two sources familiar with the firm's plans told Reuters that Sukhoi currently has no other customers lined up for 2020.

    The Superjet project "depends on a government decision about state support, because it does not yet work commercially," one of the two sources said.

    The Superjet is predominantly operated inside Russia by regional airlines, corporations and government entities. It has had mixed success with foreign carriers.

    Irish airline CityJet stopped operating its seven Superjets last year and Mexican Interjet said last year it planned to sell its 22 Superjets.

    Sukhoi in a statement declined to disclose its portfolio of customers.

    "The company is working to implement contracts in the interests of aircraft operators and customers, the principal one of which is Russian carrier Aeroflot," it said.

    Asked whether they had any plans to purchase or lease Superjets this year, Russia's three biggest private airline companies — S7, UTair and Ural Airlines — said no.

    Five other Russian airlines, who have Superjets in their fleets, did not respond to requests for comment.

    IrAero, an airline based in Russia's Far East which has previously demanded compensation from Sukhoi citing the Superjet's poor technical performance, told Reuters there were problems using the planes and that the "contract terms are far from the most advantageous for users."

    Sukhoi said last year it would sell 16 jets to customers. It missed that target however and delivered just eight planes in the end, five of which were leased to Aeroflot.

    Aeroflot has so far leased five of the 100 Superjets it committed to in its 2018 contract with Sukhoi.

    Those transactions were financed by Russian state development bank VEB. But the arrangement was made on an ad hoc basis and no decision has yet been taken on how the next 95 planes will be financed, a third source, employed by a company that works with Sukhoi, said.

    VEB told Reuters it was considering financing future Superjet deliveries and was ready to finance deliveries for other buyers as well.

    Aeroflot said it was unable to comment on commercial deals. Sukhoi Civil Aircraft declined to comment on more potential leasing arrangements with Aeroflot.

    https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2020/02/19/nobody-wants-to-buy-russias-national-plane-except-russias-national-airline-a69356

    It seems America is working hard to hit Russia's economic interests whenever they get the chance, in this case, pressuring airline operators across the world to ditch Russian made planes. Russia needs to hit back and impose costs to America's economy as well. I dont see this happening.

    Dude...the Superjet has a very bad renomme. It crashs regulary and also has the problem , that it has very high fail times. No other aircraft in its class has higher repair time.

    https://www.zonebourse.com/actualite-bourse/Qui-veut-voler-sur-Superjet-100---30019422/

    Just yesterday another one made an emergency landing in Moscow.

    Airlines that had it, sold it all and switched to Airbus.

    Airlines want make money and operate in a harsh business.

    You dont make money with a plane that is constantly in repairs and has a bad renomee for crashing. Superjet has quality issues, thats Sukhois fault and nobody else.

    It also uses more fuel than compareable models.

    Only western airline that used them was CityJet. They leased them to Brussels Airlines. BrusselsAirlines was so unsatisfied with their performance , that they cancelled the contract and CityAirlines pushed all 7 machines back to Russia.

    Even russian airlines like Yamal cancel their orders. Here is a number for you...50% of the superjets BrusselsAirlines used could not fly.

    The mexican InterJet was so unhappy with Superjet, that they want switch to Airbus.

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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Thu Feb 20, 2020 1:18 pm

    Aristide wrote:
    PhSt wrote:America celebrates poor sales of Russia's Superjet.



    Nobody Wants to Buy Russia’s National Plane – Except Russia’s National Airline

    Russia's main home-grown passenger jet, the Sukhoi Superjet 100, conceived as a rival to Airbus, Bombardier and Embraer, has no confirmed orders this year beyond a long-standing deal with state carrier Aeroflot, two sources told Reuters.

    The aircraft, which entered service in 2011 and was the first passenger jet built in Russia since the fall of the Soviet Union, has had a troubled history despite the state pouring billions of dollars into its development. Last year, a Superjet crash-landed in Moscow, killing 41 people.

    Sukhoi Civil Aircraft, which is controlled by Russian state holding company Rostec, had hoped to sell hundreds. But slack demand and servicing problems and delays in sourcing spare parts, means only 142 of the planes are in use.

    Aeroflot, which currently has 54 Superjets in its fleet, is expected to receive up to 17 more this year, Russia's Trade and Industry ministry told Reuters. The carrier signed a long-term contract in 2018 to lease 100 Superjets between 2019 and 2026.

    But two sources familiar with the firm's plans told Reuters that Sukhoi currently has no other customers lined up for 2020.

    The Superjet project "depends on a government decision about state support, because it does not yet work commercially," one of the two sources said.

    The Superjet is predominantly operated inside Russia by regional airlines, corporations and government entities. It has had mixed success with foreign carriers.

    Irish airline CityJet stopped operating its seven Superjets last year and Mexican Interjet said last year it planned to sell its 22 Superjets.

    Sukhoi in a statement declined to disclose its portfolio of customers.

    "The company is working to implement contracts in the interests of aircraft operators and customers, the principal one of which is Russian carrier Aeroflot," it said.

    Asked whether they had any plans to purchase or lease Superjets this year, Russia's three biggest private airline companies — S7, UTair and Ural Airlines — said no.

    Five other Russian airlines, who have Superjets in their fleets, did not respond to requests for comment.

    IrAero, an airline based in Russia's Far East which has previously demanded compensation from Sukhoi citing the Superjet's poor technical performance, told Reuters there were problems using the planes and that the "contract terms are far from the most advantageous for users."

    Sukhoi said last year it would sell 16 jets to customers. It missed that target however and delivered just eight planes in the end, five of which were leased to Aeroflot.

    Aeroflot has so far leased five of the 100 Superjets it committed to in its 2018 contract with Sukhoi.

    Those transactions were financed by Russian state development bank VEB. But the arrangement was made on an ad hoc basis and no decision has yet been taken on how the next 95 planes will be financed, a third source, employed by a company that works with Sukhoi, said.

    VEB told Reuters it was considering financing future Superjet deliveries and was ready to finance deliveries for other buyers as well.

    Aeroflot said it was unable to comment on commercial deals. Sukhoi Civil Aircraft declined to comment on more potential leasing arrangements with Aeroflot.

    https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2020/02/19/nobody-wants-to-buy-russias-national-plane-except-russias-national-airline-a69356

    It seems America is working hard to hit Russia's economic interests whenever they get the chance, in this case, pressuring airline operators across the world to ditch Russian made planes. Russia needs to hit back and impose costs to America's economy as well. I dont see this happening.

    Dude...the Superjet has a very bad renomme. It crashs regulary and also has the problem , that it has very high fail times. No other aircraft in its class has higher repair time.

    https://www.zonebourse.com/actualite-bourse/Qui-veut-voler-sur-Superjet-100---30019422/

    Just yesterday another one made an emergency landing in Moscow.

    Airlines that had it, sold it all and switched to Airbus.

    Airlines want make money and operate in a harsh business.

    You dont make money with a plane that is constantly in repairs and has a bad renomee for crashing. Superjet has quality issues, thats Sukhois fault and nobody else.

    It also uses  more fuel than compareable models.

    Only western airline that used them was CityJet. They leased them to Brussels Airlines. BrusselsAirlines was so unsatisfied with their performance , that they cancelled the contract and CityAirlines pushed all 7 machines back to Russia.

    Even russian airlines like Yamal cancel their orders. Here is a number for you...50% of the superjets BrusselsAirlines used could not fly.

    The mexican InterJet was so unhappy with Superjet, that they want switch to Airbus.

    bullshits, bullshits bullshits...

    All of the crashes you mention were pilot mistakes

    The problem with the mexican interjet is due to lack of spares availability and no money for repairs...

    Normally when you buy or lease a western aircract you also buy the very expensive maintenance and overhaul support by airframer and engine makers...

    The mistake there was not to prepare a good logistic and maintance center, and also accepting customers that had no money to pay for repair services.

    They are going to correct most of these issues anyway...

    And a last important thing... most of the problems with ssj100 not flying are due to lower reliability than advertised from the french part of the engine and also in addition the french are not producing enough parts and delivering them in time...
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    Post  Aristide Thu Feb 20, 2020 1:26 pm

    Rodion_Romanovic wrote:
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    PhSt wrote:America celebrates poor sales of Russia's Superjet.



    Nobody Wants to Buy Russia’s National Plane – Except Russia’s National Airline

    Russia's main home-grown passenger jet, the Sukhoi Superjet 100, conceived as a rival to Airbus, Bombardier and Embraer, has no confirmed orders this year beyond a long-standing deal with state carrier Aeroflot, two sources told Reuters.

    The aircraft, which entered service in 2011 and was the first passenger jet built in Russia since the fall of the Soviet Union, has had a troubled history despite the state pouring billions of dollars into its development. Last year, a Superjet crash-landed in Moscow, killing 41 people.

    Sukhoi Civil Aircraft, which is controlled by Russian state holding company Rostec, had hoped to sell hundreds. But slack demand and servicing problems and delays in sourcing spare parts, means only 142 of the planes are in use.

    Aeroflot, which currently has 54 Superjets in its fleet, is expected to receive up to 17 more this year, Russia's Trade and Industry ministry told Reuters. The carrier signed a long-term contract in 2018 to lease 100 Superjets between 2019 and 2026.

    But two sources familiar with the firm's plans told Reuters that Sukhoi currently has no other customers lined up for 2020.

    The Superjet project "depends on a government decision about state support, because it does not yet work commercially," one of the two sources said.

    The Superjet is predominantly operated inside Russia by regional airlines, corporations and government entities. It has had mixed success with foreign carriers.

    Irish airline CityJet stopped operating its seven Superjets last year and Mexican Interjet said last year it planned to sell its 22 Superjets.

    Sukhoi in a statement declined to disclose its portfolio of customers.

    "The company is working to implement contracts in the interests of aircraft operators and customers, the principal one of which is Russian carrier Aeroflot," it said.

    Asked whether they had any plans to purchase or lease Superjets this year, Russia's three biggest private airline companies — S7, UTair and Ural Airlines — said no.

    Five other Russian airlines, who have Superjets in their fleets, did not respond to requests for comment.

    IrAero, an airline based in Russia's Far East which has previously demanded compensation from Sukhoi citing the Superjet's poor technical performance, told Reuters there were problems using the planes and that the "contract terms are far from the most advantageous for users."

    Sukhoi said last year it would sell 16 jets to customers. It missed that target however and delivered just eight planes in the end, five of which were leased to Aeroflot.

    Aeroflot has so far leased five of the 100 Superjets it committed to in its 2018 contract with Sukhoi.

    Those transactions were financed by Russian state development bank VEB. But the arrangement was made on an ad hoc basis and no decision has yet been taken on how the next 95 planes will be financed, a third source, employed by a company that works with Sukhoi, said.

    VEB told Reuters it was considering financing future Superjet deliveries and was ready to finance deliveries for other buyers as well.

    Aeroflot said it was unable to comment on commercial deals. Sukhoi Civil Aircraft declined to comment on more potential leasing arrangements with Aeroflot.

    https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2020/02/19/nobody-wants-to-buy-russias-national-plane-except-russias-national-airline-a69356

    It seems America is working hard to hit Russia's economic interests whenever they get the chance, in this case, pressuring airline operators across the world to ditch Russian made planes. Russia needs to hit back and impose costs to America's economy as well. I dont see this happening.

    Dude...the Superjet has a very bad renomme. It crashs regulary and also has the problem , that it has very high fail times. No other aircraft in its class has higher repair time.

    https://www.zonebourse.com/actualite-bourse/Qui-veut-voler-sur-Superjet-100---30019422/

    Just yesterday another one made an emergency landing in Moscow.

    Airlines that had it, sold it all and switched to Airbus.

    Airlines want make money and operate in a harsh business.

    You dont make money with a plane that is constantly in repairs and has a bad renomee for crashing. Superjet has quality issues, thats Sukhois fault and nobody else.

    It also uses  more fuel than compareable models.

    Only western airline that used them was CityJet. They leased them to Brussels Airlines. BrusselsAirlines was so unsatisfied with their performance , that they cancelled the contract and CityAirlines pushed all 7 machines back to Russia.

    Even russian airlines like Yamal cancel their orders. Here is a number for you...50% of the superjets BrusselsAirlines used could not fly.

    The mexican InterJet was so unhappy with Superjet, that they want switch to Airbus.

    bullshits, bullshits bullshits...

    All of the crashes you mention were pilot mistakes

    The problem with the mexican interjet is due to lack of spares availability and no money for repairs...

    Normally when you buy or lease a western aircract you also buy the very expensive maintenance and overhaul support by airframer and engine makers...

    The mistake there was not to prepare a good logistic and maintance center, and also accepting customers that had no money to pay for repair services.

    They are going to correct most of these issues anyway...

    And a last important thing... most of the problems with ssj100 not flying are due to lower reliability than advertised from the french part of the engine and also in addition the french are not producing enough parts and delivering them in time...

    Not bullshit, simple fact. Superjet has a horrible low quality ranking. BrusselsAirlines showed that 50% of the aircrafts were not flight ready. Thats a simple fact. A fact that is also evident that no private russian airline wants buy this aircraft.

    When you booked a flight with BrusselsAirlines and it was supposed to fly with SuperJet. You had a 50% chance that your flight gets cancelled. Now show me the airline that want take that?

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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Thu Feb 20, 2020 2:08 pm

    Aristide wrote:
    Not bullshit, simple fact. Superjet has a horrible low quality ranking. BrusselsAirlines showed that 50% of the aircrafts were not flight ready. Thats a simple fact. A fact that is also evident that no private russian airline wants buy this aircraft.

    When you booked a flight with  BrusselsAirlines and it was supposed to fly with SuperJet. You had a 50% chance that your flight gets cancelled. Now show me the airline that want take that?


    Well of corse, that is what happens when you trust the french making the engine and delivering spare parts in time


    Concerning many russian airlines...simply their business models sometimes require bigger (A220 /A320/MC21 class) or smaller class aircrafts, e.g. a turboprop or a 75 seaters jet...

    Soon also modern russian aircrafts of these classes will be introduced
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    Post  PhSt Thu Feb 20, 2020 2:29 pm


    Dude...the Superjet has a very bad renomme. It crashs regulary and also has the problem

    You mean like how a Boeing 737 crashes regularly?

    Airlines that had it, sold it all and switched to Airbus.

    Exactly my point, Western Airlines are under pressure to let go and avoid these planes so they have to make all the lousy excuse about how the plane is unreliable like what you are doing now.

    You dont make money with a plane that is constantly in repairs and has a bad renomee for crashing.

    Yes you do. look at Boeing 737.

    Superjet has quality issues, thats Sukhois fault and nobody else.

    I understand your narrative. When a western plane crash its the pilot's fault. but when a Russian plane crash its the manufacturer's fault. Got it.

    It also uses more fuel than compareable models.

    Indeed, according to this news article the airplane failed certification tests in 2010, and among the significant drawbacks that were found are increased weight and excessive fuel consumption. The article also mentioned that the plane's engines, the SaM146, was jointly developed with France's Snecma.

    Should I have omitted the last part? As it will reveal that partnership with a French company has resulted to the plane's engine problems.

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    Post  PhSt Thu Feb 20, 2020 2:52 pm

    On Topic,

    America and its western underlings bitches a lot when people practice their Freedom of Speech and write articles that are critical to their policies, The west are quick to denounce such people as "Kremlin Trolls", "Russian bots", "Russian Disinformation", "50 cents army", etc, and are working on ways to silence them on the internet.
    However, when its the other way around, and a blogger is attacking the Russian or Chinese government, suddenly the bitching stops and the crusade to preserve Freedom of Speech is restored Laughing




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    Obviously, America is capitalizing on the current crisis in China in hopes to weakening the Chinese government and collapsing the whole country if they could. Both the Chinese and Russian governments are responding to American aggressive actions very weakly. Despite the current troubles China is facing, America is not pausing in their push to destroy China, instead they are capitalizing in China's current weak and destabilized state to damage China even more. China and Russia needs to understand that playing nice with America will NEVER win them concessions, instead America will view this as a form of weakness and will continue to slap both countries in the face. China needs to be decisive and send thousands of corona infected people to America to trigger their own pandemic. It should be enough to impose significant costs to the American economy and cause misery to thousands of arrogant Ameripigs who thinks that it is their country's destiny to rule the world.

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    Post  Aristide Thu Feb 20, 2020 7:57 pm

    PhSt wrote:
    Dude...the Superjet has a very bad renomme. It crashs regulary and also has the problem

    You mean like how a Boeing 737 crashes regularly?

    Airlines that had it, sold it all and switched to Airbus.

    Exactly my point, Western Airlines are under pressure to let go and avoid these planes so they have to make all the lousy excuse about how the plane is unreliable like what you are doing now.

    You dont make money with a plane that is constantly in repairs and has a bad renomee for crashing.

    Yes you do. look at Boeing 737.

    Superjet has quality issues, thats Sukhois fault and nobody else.

    I understand your narrative. When a western plane crash its the pilot's fault. but when a Russian plane crash its the manufacturer's fault. Got it.

    It also uses more fuel than compareable models.

    Indeed, according to this news article the airplane failed certification tests in 2010, and among the significant drawbacks that were found are increased weight and excessive fuel consumption. The article also mentioned that the plane's engines, the SaM146, was jointly developed with France's Snecma.

    Should I have omitted the last part? As it will reveal that partnership with a French company has resulted to the plane's engine problems.


    Im french. I give a shit about Boeing 737, which btw still has a better ranking than SuperJet.

    That SuperJet have a very low flight readiness is a simple fact. No other current model has such a bad ratio.

    The "pressure" how you call it, is called capitalism. No airline can afford to have an aircraft in its fleet with a 50% failure ratio.

    And it cant be France fault. we also make the airbus engines and they work perfectly fine.
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Thu Feb 20, 2020 9:37 pm

    Aristide wrote:
    PhSt wrote:
    Dude...the Superjet has a very bad renomme. It crashs regulary and also has the problem

    You mean like how a Boeing 737 crashes regularly?

    Airlines that had it, sold it all and switched to Airbus.

    Exactly my point, Western Airlines are under pressure to let go and avoid these planes so they have to make all the lousy excuse about how the plane is unreliable like what you are doing now.

    You dont make money with a plane that is constantly in repairs and has a bad renomee for crashing.

    Yes you do. look at Boeing 737.

    Superjet has quality issues, thats Sukhois fault and nobody else.

    I understand your narrative. When a western plane crash its the pilot's fault. but when a Russian plane crash its the manufacturer's fault. Got it.

    It also uses more fuel than compareable models.

    Indeed, according to this news article the airplane failed certification tests in 2010, and among the significant drawbacks that were found are increased weight and excessive fuel consumption. The article also mentioned that the plane's engines, the SaM146, was jointly developed with France's Snecma.

    Should I have omitted the last part? As it will reveal that partnership with a French company has resulted to the plane's engine problems.


    Im french. I give a shit about Boeing 737, which btw still has a better ranking than SuperJet.

    That SuperJet have a very low flight readiness is a simple fact. No other current model has such a bad ratio.

    The "pressure" how you call it, is called capitalism. No airline can afford to have an aircraft in its fleet with a 50% failure ratio.

    And it cant be France fault. we also make the airbus engines and they work perfectly fine.

    Concerning superjet;

    https://airlinerwatch.com/sukhoi-superjet-underperforms-due-to-a-design-flaw-in-the-engines/

    SaM146 problems occur in the so-called hot part of the engine, where fuel is burned. Cracks appear in the combustion chambers or oil collectors after 2000–4000 flight hours, and sometimes after 1000 flight hours.

    The hot part of SaM146 is Safran responsibility... so...

    Anyway France doesn't do alone any aircraft engines except for some military jet (e.j for the rafale).. the last engine they tried alone (silvercrest for the business jet market ) was a big failure..

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-safran-textron-silvercrest/safran-loses-last-silvercrest-client-as-cessna-drops-engine-idUSKCN1UC1YA

    France still makes decent helicopter engines (for small to medium helicopters), though.

    And no, no solely french engines on Airbus, almost all the new big widebodies have Rolls-Royce engines (except the a380 that can also mount a GE/pratt and withney engine as alternative to the Rolls-Royce Trent 900) while for the a320s the engines are either pratt&withney or CFM, that is only 50% French.

    By the way, in the CFM engines, GE is responsible for the "hot part", the high-pressure compressor, combustor, and high-pressure turbine, so that's the reason why they work
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    Post  Aristide Thu Feb 20, 2020 10:34 pm

    Rodion_Romanovic wrote:
    Aristide wrote:
    PhSt wrote:
    Dude...the Superjet has a very bad renomme. It crashs regulary and also has the problem

    You mean like how a Boeing 737 crashes regularly?

    Airlines that had it, sold it all and switched to Airbus.

    Exactly my point, Western Airlines are under pressure to let go and avoid these planes so they have to make all the lousy excuse about how the plane is unreliable like what you are doing now.

    You dont make money with a plane that is constantly in repairs and has a bad renomee for crashing.

    Yes you do. look at Boeing 737.

    Superjet has quality issues, thats Sukhois fault and nobody else.

    I understand your narrative. When a western plane crash its the pilot's fault. but when a Russian plane crash its the manufacturer's fault. Got it.

    It also uses more fuel than compareable models.

    Indeed, according to this news article the airplane failed certification tests in 2010, and among the significant drawbacks that were found are increased weight and excessive fuel consumption. The article also mentioned that the plane's engines, the SaM146, was jointly developed with France's Snecma.

    Should I have omitted the last part? As it will reveal that partnership with a French company has resulted to the plane's engine problems.


    Im french. I give a shit about Boeing 737, which btw still has a better ranking than SuperJet.

    That SuperJet have a very low flight readiness is a simple fact. No other current model has such a bad ratio.

    The "pressure" how you call it, is called capitalism. No airline can afford to have an aircraft in its fleet with a 50% failure ratio.

    And it cant be France fault. we also make the airbus engines and they work perfectly fine.

    Concerning superjet;

    https://airlinerwatch.com/sukhoi-superjet-underperforms-due-to-a-design-flaw-in-the-engines/

    SaM146 problems occur in the so-called hot part of the engine, where fuel is burned. Cracks appear in the combustion chambers or oil collectors after 2000–4000 flight hours, and sometimes after 1000 flight hours.

    The hot part of SaM146 is Safran responsibility... so...

    Anyway France doesn't do alone any aircraft engines except for some military jet (e.j for the rafale).. the last engine they tried alone (silvercrest for the business jet market ) was a big failure..

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-safran-textron-silvercrest/safran-loses-last-silvercrest-client-as-cessna-drops-engine-idUSKCN1UC1YA

    France still makes decent helicopter engines (for small to medium helicopters), though.

    And no, no solely french engines on Airbus, almost all the new big widebodies have Rolls-Royce engines (except the a380 that can also mount a GE/pratt and withney engine as alternative to the Rolls-Royce Trent 900) while for the a320s the engines are either pratt&withney or CFM, that is only 50% French.

    By the way, in the CFM engines, GE is responsible for the "hot part", the high-pressure compressor, combustor, and high-pressure turbine, so that's the reason why they work


    Its always easy to blame others and when i see in this forum its never russias fault, always others. It gets boring.

    So its France fault, that Sukhoi has no operational customer service, bad contracts, lack of maintenance service, lack of international connections.

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